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I've been an editor at Salon in various capacities since January 2000. You can reach me at: kerry at salon dot com. I post Open Calls on my Twitter feed, too (kerrylauerman)

JUNE 9, 2009 3:13PM

Open Chat: White, well-off and full of rage!

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Open Chat No. 2: Mortimer Hayden Smyth. 5 minutes. Transcript follows. Action! 

We're here with Mortimer Hayden Smyth on Open Salon's Open Chat. Hi, Mortimer.

Hello, Kerry. Very good to be with you today.

Very good to be with you. I think for a lot of our members you're most famous for a dazzling display of negative attack ads against Barack Obama during the election, "28 attacks in 28 days."

Yes

It was quite a feat.  I'm curious, did you  moved the needle much with that project?

I like to think that we did. It was my feeling during the campaign, there were a lot of negative attacks, my one regret is that I didn't start earlier because if feels like, in a way, 28 attacks might not have been enough. It obviously didn't do the job.

So what can you tell us about the Center for American Free Thought?

We are a Washington, D.C., based think take devoted to some very basic principles. Everyone within the center has different sort of pet projects. Some people are very devoted to--

Who's funding you Mortimer?

We have a consortium of private sources of funding.

What are they afraid of? Why won't you say who the are?

Oh, I assure you, they are not afraid of anything. We want to respect their privacy. That's one of the things, the right to certain kind of privacy that should be held by certain very important individuals and institutions. But clearly not by everyone.

I only have you here for 5 minutes and there's so many things to discuss ... how do you feel about the pending confirmation of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court?

[Sigh.] Well, as you may know, I was actually opposed to Barack Obama's Supreme Court nominee well before it was even announced.

Yes, that was impressive.

I almost don't even know where to begin. I won't attempt to pronounce her name. I can't do it. I've tried and failed. That's strike one. I've heard it many different ways on television, there's no consensus. Look at how divisive that is! If we can't even say her name!

Who's the man behind Mortimer? What can you tell us about you? What makes you tick? What do you wake up in the morning looking forward to. What movies do you watch?

Um.

What puts that little spring in your step?

I wake up every morning in a cold sweat and just filled with fear and a certain undefinable rage against something out there.

Why so angry?

There are so many reasons to be angry. I'm a white male, relatively well off. What's not to be angry about, Kerry? There's a million things. Taxes, for one thing. I have to pay those every year.  I do my best to evade as many as possible. I love this country and I don't want to pay taxes to it.

Sure.

I'm angry about things like gay marriage… it destroyed my heterosexual marriage, completely--

Can you explain that to our readers, who might not be familiar of your history?

You know, there's a certain degree to which too much choice can be very confusing. And prior to hearing about gay marriage, I didn’t even know it was an option.

How do you feel Obama is doing on the economy?

Terrible. He's destroyed it.

Health care?

No one wants it.

Israel?

Support it.

Iran?

Destroy it.

North Korea?

Insane.

Afghanistan?

We should be there forever.

Canada?

Invade it.

How do you think Obama's done choosing a dog?

Terrible.

And with that, Mortimer Hayden Smyth, I think we'll call it a wrap! Thank you very much, sir, for your time.

Thank you, Kerry.

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Excellent interview. I know so much more about Mr. Smith - and now there's more to love! rated.
Kerry, you really captured the man behind the man. I'm having new doubts about gay marriage if it unsettled Mortimer and his marriage that way.
"I wake up every morning in a cold sweat and just filled with fear and a certain undefinable rage against something out there."

That'll surely get you out of bed in the morning!
Hooray!!! Finally support for Canadian invasion plans! This is a fabulous interview.
"There are so many reasons to be angry. I am a white male relatively well off."

I couldn't agree with you more... about being angry. But why does being white and well off qualify??? How about I'm angry because there is so much injustice. Or I'm angry because I'm out of work. Or I'm angry because I'm pregnant and I don't know what to do. Or I'm pregnant and everyone is trying to tell me what to do. Or I'm married and happy and comfortable but mad as hell that there are white males who are well off and comfortable and angry.

I hadn't heard of you before I read this post and not sure where this takes us. Ciao.
Frickin' brilliant! Rated with a vengance!
Thank you for this insider interview with an angry white guy.
“I love this country and I don't want to pay taxes to it.” I’ve needed somebody to identify with on OS. I’ve been trying to figure out what’s wrong with Sotomayor and you nailed it – I cannot pronounce her name, and that’s a good reason to be against her. I am upping my private contributions to the Center for American Free Thought (CAFT).

Seriously, a fun interview, and the AT&T commercial was quick and painless. Thanks.
You managed to find a human face....to appear next to yours.
Kudos for including text and not being unaware and insensitive to those without the ability to hear. I think every site that posts a video should have the dialogue posted.
Kerry, that was great!!! You looked like you were going to fall down laughing at any moment. Work on your straight face look.
Rated.
Kerry interesting interview…
After reading though it, I come away asking, "Why are the far-right conservative white men so unsure of their masculinity and race? Are they so afraid of progress and change?" And another question, "When are they going to realize that America is a country founded on the rule of law, the rights of men & women and a country of diversity."

If Obama fails, as they so willing want… the country fails. Didn’t we just let that happen over the last 8 years with the Bush Administration?

- Rated

ps: MHS is an idiot!
I want to see Mortimer debate the lady from Saturn that knows a lot about politics too. That should help separate the wheat.
Let's see...Women are XXY and I have some white male ancestors...Then do I get to be about, let's say one eighth full of rage and a sixteenth of well off?

Wait...I'm there already.

Never mind. I laughed too hard already.
Not bad, but I can tell you, as one who produced and hosted a weekly TV show for nearly 10 years, that you don't have enough time to wander all over the map with your guests.

5 minutes, 3 questions with 1 basic theme or topic and 1 or 2 follow ups. After your introduction, get on it and stay with it.....

If your guest is not an OS blogger point that out in some way....If they have an email address or blog-site see if they will share it so we may respond...

Ask if they have read any of the blogs at OS on the theme/topic/subject you are covering with them...

You might even site one or two of the posts that are on point or on topic....For instance, Joy-Ann Reid's latest post deals directly with the angry white male who is losing his grip on the reins of power in this country. It would have been intersting if you had read a passage from her post and asked for a response/reaction....

All that being said your innovative idea has a great deal of potential. Sharpen your skills and learn the art and science of the visual interview to get the max out of the opportunity the concept presents, we all will be the better for your having done so.

Well done........
As far as I'm concerned, you let him way off the hook. You can do better.

Example: He confesses to tax evasion, which is illegal, rather than tax avoidance, which need not be. His position on gay marriage is not explained (and no, I'm not going back to read his lame "editors' pick" posts on it, either).

His answers to other questions are glib and nonsensical. (Canada? "Invade it.") and his positions unexplained. "No one wants it" to health care? Baloney.
I thoroughly enjoyed my talk with Mr. Smith. It's possible I'm enjoying these comments even more.
We're in agreement on Canada, so there's one area where two sides can meet in the middle.
This was very entertaining, but I would be remiss if I didn't defend Canada--especially after the last OS Canadian invasion plans.

JustJuli, thanks to the US governments insane new border policies based on erroneous information about where the 9/11 terrorists gained entry, our border guards are armed for the very first time in our history. So invading us just got a wee bit harder. At least the easy, waltz over the border plans. I suppose whatever worked in Iraq will work as well here. ~smurk~

thx kerry.
I had to come back. Am I just a bad person for laughing loudly when satire just sails by some people? Maybe I need therapy?
Reading the text was great, I have a feeling that watching the video later will be fantastic! Thanks guys!
Now that I think about it Mortimer does favor (Voight)...and the other guy is spot on Phil Collins:) Oh a little satire goes a long way!
Mortimer Hayden Smith is our Stephen Colbert, only funnier!
If there were not so many powerful people in our country who actually identify with this ideology, I might actually think this was funny.
More rage! Mr. Smith barely hinted at a hidden reservoir of the milquetoastiest of rages.
The government tells you who you can hate. It is a crime to hate women, ethnic minorities, non-heterosexuals, and religious people. It is not a crime to hate white men. I love you, Big Sister.
JK- I forgot to mention the motto I've come up with for our impending hostile take-over of your "country." Canada: Those Smug Bastards Have Had it Coming for Years!

No grif- you're not bad. The therapy question- weeeelll- I'll let it hang.
Ahh. Such delicious fun. Thank you, Kerry. Now I see that I’ll have to check into a few of Mr. Smith’s past posts to see the man behind the man behind the ‘think’ tank.
Kerry
The video interview is a cool idea. Presenting viewpoints I don't necessarily agree with is an education in itself. Thank you.
This was great. I love Mortimer's humor and I loved his 28 day attack thingie.
no.no.no Canada is supposed to take over us!
I've met Mortimer and he's a nice guy but I can attest to his rage. He bit me in the arm.
Mortimer rocks! I'm a member of the MortimerNation™ and proud of it.

Great job Kerry-san.
I completely missed the attack thingie. Need to work on my own white guy rage, I guess.
Thank God somebody out there agrees with me on Canada. I was feeling so alone.

Kerry---you gotta go do "60 Minutes" replace that Scott Pele or whatever his name is---guy drives me nuts. You could pull in a little extra cash, just work Sunday nights for an hour. . .I'd watch and I will soon be in the demogrpahic where I have to buy all those old men products.

60 Minutes Kerry. Easy money. They need you. Joan's got a TV gig---you are next!
I appreciated this inside look into my OS hero! And I'd not thought about it before, but MHS is correct, Canada has been free of the U.S.'s civilizing influence for far too long! Invasion, ho!
Let me just say that this is one gay man who wishes Mort had just stayed het. His sad attempts at homosexing have become embarrassing. One more time of being out at the club and having him come up to me in a K-hole slobering his endearments, "We're friends right? I know you from OS. We're friends right?" and I'm going to explode. Last week they let him into the VIP section thinking I would take care of him. "I'm sorry daddy. I'll be a good boy." He's right some people are better off without so many choices. Much more of this and I'm going to give up being gay. Maybe I'll see just how open Ms. Lake's marriage really is.

With all due affection, Tijo
angry because of whiteness and affluence??????

whatever.. Mortimer you're a moron

but thanks Kerry
I like Saturn Smith better.
The government tells you who you can hate. It is a crime to hate women, ethnic minorities, non-heterosexuals, and religious people. It is not a crime to hate white men. I love you, Big Sister.
I like General JK Brady's ideas better for a better tomorrow, just destroy the world and start over with a new ball of dirt. It's much easier that way.

No wait, that was my idea. Never mind.

I can't rate this due to the fact I believe these interviews should just be Kerry's one eye and the person getting interviewed should hold a sign that says, "Hi! I am being held captivate by Joan Walsh!" until that time, I refuse to rate.

:)
to think I nearly missed this fills me with a slight amount of rage as well. I can only hope that mortimer would meet his fellow conservative stephen colbert one day...maybe some sort of conservative on conservative smack down could follow....(but not in a homosexual way)
I still don't understand how many people just "don't get" Mortimer.I love you Mort. Keep up the great work. I really missed you. Rated.
PS You too Kerry. Thanks.
I see a pattern, the Smith Chronicles.
The Hayden Smi' Repor'! Now, with less funny 'ear' attention getters...!

pez dispensers,
dj
At least Mr. Smith has a sense of humor. Rated.
JustJuli, the motto is actually,
" Canada: Those Smug Bastards Have Had UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for 50 Years!" (and their taxes are 3x as much and their economy is better and their banks didn't totally screw them over - what's up with that?...oh and they don't have guns...shite you should control us before this whole thing catches on)

:)
Are Ya' still married mortimer? I'd send You a proposal, I think You'd find hard pressed to refuse.

(rated for a myriad of reasons)
Satirization of satire ends up not terribly funny…and can be dangerous…it’s where “Rush” Limbaugh started. Keep mixing the Kool-Aid and one day you can’t help yourself you just gota take a sip and then it’s chug-a-lug and a fond farewell to heart, soul and sanity!
" Canada: Those Smug Bastards Have Had UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE for 50 Years!"

I know!! That's why you've got it coming!

Actually- Mortimer settled the health care question. No one wants it. There. Settled. Maybe we don't have to invade you after all- you're safe. For now. (Secretly I support the Canadian invasion because I've always wanted to move to Toronto. Le sigh.)
I can see I will learn much from these interviews... or not, but I do get to laugh, so far 50% of them have been funny.

Thanks for another look inside the depths!
This is kind of like Pillow Talk with Rock Hudson and Doris Day.
"I love this country and I don't want to pay taxes to it."

This contradiction was hilarious until I remembered how many people hold such contradictory beliefs.

Funny post.
Love a man of few words. He knows who he is. Doesn't need to fluff it up to be heard. Great interview. Favorite line" "...didn't even know it was an option." Priceless. Classic.
Thanks to all for the comments. And a special thank you to Mr. Kerry Lauerman for his fair and balanced interview style. Although I'm fairly certain that he's a socialist. I say this because he was fairly sociable with me in our pre- and post-interview conversation, which I find is usually a dead giveaway.

Now, some individual responses.

To DEBORAH YOUNG: "More to love?" This comment has me slightly concerned that you are saying I appear to have gained weight.

To JOAN WALSH: I'm uncomfortable with your comment that Kerry has captured "the man behind the man." I think this is San Francisco Code Language, and I want you to know that it has fooled no one. This kind of subtle character aspersion might work when you're up against befuddled MSNBC hostage Pat Buchanan, but I assure you I know when I'm being made a fool of!

To GMGASTON: You, sir, have hurt my feelings. I spent ten minutes trying to decode your acronym to find out who "MHS" was because I was really looking forward to finding out who the "idiot" was.

To ALSOKNOWNAS: I will debate Saturn Smith any day of the week!ww Not only is she Un-American, I suspect her nomenclature reveals she doesn't even pledge allegiance to this planet!

To BOANERGES1: You're glib and nonsensical! You're baloney!

To BOB ECKSTEIN: I will not apologize for biting Mr. Epstein in the arm. He deserved it. I would encourage anyone who comes in contact with him to do the same.

To TIJO: Pure slander. I have been entirely forthcoming about my two unfortunate lapses into homosexuality. The first was an act (a series of acts) born out of sheer confusion on my part. The second was a misunderstanding with a police officer who misread my intent. Since the latter incident, I have been adamantly and devotedly heterosexual in all relevant ways.

To TRIG PALIN: I will not be called a moron by a child. What are you even DOING on the internet? You are too young to be using a computer, let alone calling me names. Why am I arguing with a one-year old?? This hurts even more because I have been such a strong and steady advocate for your mother, who I still support for President in 2012. You will be sorry you trifled with me when I am Chief Of Staff.

Thanks to all,
Mortimer Hayden Smyth
"You're not dealing with AT&T."
"Well, I am NOW..."
"Or I'm angry because I'm pregnant and I don't know what to do. Or I'm pregnant and everyone is trying to tell me what to do" (dlschulbenn)

Did you really expect a guy to say all that kind of thing? Angry because he is PREGNANT?

lol sorry but thats just my strange sense of humour.
I don't know whether I should laugh or cry, cuz someone(s) out there will take this seriously!?! Satire is a double-edged sword that, in the wrong hands, can do more harm than good. Thank goodness that most people on OS 'get it'.... Hmmm, deLuvCoach [make luv, not war]
It's about time someone stood up for white people. We've been an oppressed majority for way too long!
Brilliant. I'm on board with whatever Smith in on...board with.
JustJuli, you really don't have to invade. If you listen to the talking heads in Washinton, we let anyone in...especially terrorists. I just say start a secret jihad and come on up to TO. If you time it to coincide with the International Film Festival, no one will notice you amongst the Hollywood elite.
My fave was Attack #6: he eats little pumpkins like apples.
I'm glad someone else shares my opinion that Canada needs a good invading.
Bring it on! I can hide guns in my American Apparel patent pleather hockey bag, not to mention explosives in my harem pants. You guys don't stand a chance. Especially with our new fortified Canadian border.
Canada's kind of like the do-gooder, teacher's pet who should be beat on: offers much needed feedback.
No, Grif, it is hysterically satire to watch the satire fly by. More for us.
Hysterically funny. FUNNY. My poor mind works faster than my typing fingers sometimes...wow.
Mortimer can't tell us who his secret funding sources are. Enquiring minds want to know!
Nice catch, grif82600. I was starting to wonder. Meanwhile, I would have liked a little more elaboration on the failed hetero marriage.

I suggest declaring Mortimer the new Rush Limbaugh and annointing him the voice of the Republican Party.
Hi, Cynthia- This is the most we've heard, so far, from Mortimer about his former marriage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdchjEzyyzI
who could have believed that the entire republican platform could be explained so succinctly in just 5 minutes?
Unfortunately for the rest of us, there are far too many who actually subscribe to your "beliefs and ideas"!
So, is Jonathan Smith is your middle name(s)?
Correction: Is Jonathan SWIFT.....S W I F T....your middle name(s)?

Duh.
I loved this.

And some people really don't see the humor. I saw a woman on a talk show once who said conservatives like Stephen Colbert because they believe he really is one of them, deep inside. Really, there was a study.
Too many people here don't seem to understand this is satire.

This scares me.
Damn. Addicts are such sad people.

As far as invading Canada goes, don't. As Sun Tzu said, "An army avoids strength and attacks weakness."

I know where the U.S. is weak. In fact the revolutionaries masquerading as 'conservatives' have been attacking that weakness for years.

Furthermore, if he loves his country why isn't he willing to pay for it? No one said freedom was free. He should be thankful all he has to pay is money. Often it costs death and much pain.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That's classic!