
The issue of torture and Guantanamo Bay has simmered for weeks due to the failure of American leaders. From released memos to the denied release of photos neither was met with forthright conversation on the Bush years and torture and Guantanamo.
Now, with Obama’s speech---after funding for the closing of Guantanamo was stripped from a supplemental bill because the Obama Administration didn’t deliver a plan to Congress---did he provide the kind of speech that will transform the hearts and minds of Americans whose minds have been eroded by the overuse of terms like “terrorists” and “enemy” and “9/11” in the past ten years?
What about Dick Cheney’s speech? What does it mean for the framework with which we discuss this issue?
How we consider both speeches depends on the context with which we read them. The context which the media placed these speeches in would probably lead many to think one side of the debate was what Obama thinks and the other side of the debate was what Cheney thinks. But, is this simply a created dichotomy which served media objectivity more than the morals and values which we Americans seek to uphold and live our lives by?
Quite frankly, Obama’s and Cheney’s speeches were a media event---a showdown or proverbial boxing match (which The Daily Show picked up on last night).
When hosts end segments asking their guests who was the winner, nothing good can come out of the conversation; deep reflection and introspection among the American people falls by the wayside. A chance for America to fix its moral compass was squandered as pundits trivialized an issue that demands blunt, candid, and thorough conversation.
What our nation needs is education not fear when confronting the problem of Guantanamo Bay and the 250-plus detainees. We do not need media engineered duels between political leaders which will only lead Americans to continue to ignore the fact that too many of us have been silent for too long on the issue of torture and Guantanamo.
Obama recognizes this---that education and a need for us to end our silence is vital yet his speech was still predicated on the two things that Cheney predicated his speech on and that the previous administration predicated the scope of their policies on when they were in power.
Although it was a bit more subdued, both speeches were predicated on 9/11 and the perceived threat from al-Qaeda.
There is nothing wrong with considering the potential threat a group of Islamic extremists may pose to our nation, but it is terribly wrong to constantly cite a disastrous event as reason to continue a policy or plan. For the same reason that America does not still cite the Gulf of Tonkin or Pearl Harbor when developing strategies for foreign policy, America should not base all policies and actions on the attacks on 9/11.
We saw what happened under the Bush Administration when 9/11 was the excuse for everything. Civil liberties, freedoms, transparency, accountability, democracy, human rights, and more were all discarded and replaced with forms of repression, suppression, detention, violations of the rule of law, and tyranny.
Cheney made a good point in his speech yesterday when he said:
“You can look at the facts and conclude that the comprehensive strategy has worked, and therefore needs to be continued as vigilantly as ever. Or you can look at the same set of facts and conclude that 9/11 was a one-off event – coordinated, devastating, but also unique and not sufficient to justify a sustained war effort.”
When considering that our military adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and other parts of the world are utterly destroying families and communities, costing American taxpayers trillions of dollars, and creating opposition to American empire, why not examine whether 9/11 was a “one-off event” (maybe something that happened because somebody ignored the memo titled, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”)?
Almost eight years after 9/11, is anything really getting past our nation’s security-industrial-complex? What exactly is the “al-Qaeda threat” and how substantial is it?
Unfortunately, Obama’s talk about “taking the fight to the extremists” was like a repackaging of the Bushism, “We’re fighting the terrorists over there so we don’t have to fight them here.”
Doesn’t this tactic of "taking the fight to the extremists" just set up a theater for war and ensure that one entire region is devastated?
For what does this devastation occur and how can we Americans allow this tactic born out of fear to be the way we secure the world from extremism?
America does face extremism and it does face an enemy, but let us consider the fact that we have seen the enemy and the enemy could very well be us.
Obama may say as he did in his speech, “extremist ideology threatens our people and technology gives a handful of terrorists the potential to do us great harm,” but can we really focus on that line of reasoning without considering how American extremism threatens our people and how technology from the American military-industrial-complex gives a handful the potential to do great harm?
Too many seem to have a desire to cling to the neoconservative imperialist policies of the past, and isn’t that desire a bit extreme? And why do we feel the need to maintain what’s left of these policies which were executed with brutal inhumane consequences throughout the Bush Administration? For what?
Today, like Bush, Obama brought up this idea that his “single most important responsibility” was “to keep the American people safe.” This “responsibility” seems to be a creation of the Bush Administration that the people have been trained to accept as the “single most important responsibility.”
In the Associated Press Worldstream on June 12, 2008, when Bush disagreed with “a Supreme Court ruling that [cleared] foreign terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts,” Bush suggested that new legislation may be needed “to keep the American people safe.”
On July 12, 2007, at a news conference which touched on Iraq, Bush said, “As president, my most solemn responsibility is to keep the American people safe. So on my orders, good men and women are now fighting the terrorists on the front lines of Iraq.”
In the same way that Obama said today that he wakes up everyday thinking about how to keep the American people safe, Bush said he wakes up every day thinking about how best to protect America in 2004.
Nowhere does it explicitly state in the Constitution that the President’s “most important responsibility” is “to keep the American people safe.” As Commander-in-Chief of all branches of the military, it can be argued that this means security is of the utmost importance, but really, isn’t a President’s “single most important responsibility” to uphold and defend the Constitution?
This phrase about keeping the American people safe is a loaded phrase left over from the Bush Administration. It is something that was regarded as the highest priority when policies and legislation were being debated, and it is something that was meant to reassure those who were responding to the fear and paranoia created by the Bush Administration’s “war on terror.” (Like Jon Stewart said last night, “I love it when he does the Bush covers.)
Obama isn’t just parroting Bush in some cases; he’s seeking to develop ways that would allow this he and future presidents to continue policies used by the Bush Administration.
In his speech yesterday, Obama said, “After 9/11, we knew that we had entered a new era—that enemies who did not abide by any law of war would present new challenges to our application of the law to our application of the law; that our government would need new tools to protect the American people, and that these tools would have to allow us to prevent attacks instead of simply prosecuting those who try to carry them out.”
Would these “new tools” include military tribunals almost guaranteed from the start to find a detainee guilty? Would these “new tools” involve preventive detention?
Were waterboarding and other techniques “new tools” and how did they work?
Weren’t policies of abuse and torture designed to get around the rule of law and is that the Obama Administration envisions ---“new tools” to justify unlawful and callous actions which may or may not prevent another 9/11?
In 2001, Cheney created the “one-percent doctrine,” which Ron Suskind wrote a book about. He said America now had to consider a new type of threat, a “low-probability high-impact event.”
If there was a 1% chance of it happening, the chance had to be treated as if it was going to happen.
The way al-Qaeda and 9/11 bookended the speech delivered by Obama makes me wonder if the Obama Administration will be making policy based on Cheney’s “one-percent doctrine," based on that sliver of a chance that something happens.
Can’t the Homeland Security-complex created by Bush do better? Can't we get to a point where we can differentiate threats so we have a real reason to respond?
If we continue to let the smallest of threats (perhaps unsubstantiated ones) determine what we do, what does this mean for America? How many of us are willing to let our lives be driven by a 1% chance that something could happen?
Obama’s speech ran the gamut and touched on civil liberties, the Constitution, Truth Commissions, transparency, and the rule of law, but the mindset in Cheney’s speech could be found throughout Obama’s speech too. It was toned down, but al-Qaeda and 9/11 still set the terms for Obama’s case to close Guantanamo.

If Obama really thinks “we cannot keep the country safe unless we enlist the power of our most fundamental values,” we the people will have to lead the way in enlisting these values.
We the people have made the current political climate one where politicians and the media are following torture and Guantanamo closely. Let us continue to discuss the way forward so that perhaps we can move forward under a pretext of preserving human rights and civil liberties instead of simply preventing another 9/11 from happening.


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The world is a dangerous place, and you will always face some risk. But the chance that you will be killed by jihadists is remote (far less than 1%) compared to the risk of being killed by your fellow Americans. There is no good reason why the fear of terrorism should dictate your policy.
One of the things I am fast coming to despise about liberal America…is what I see as a new-found tendency to see everything in simplistic terms just like the conservatives.
Obama is walking a fucking tightrope stretched across a chasm miles deep. He CANNOT just make all these moves you people are advocating without careful small steps in that direction. If he tries to do it the way you geniuses keep insisting that he do…he will galvanize a considerable segment of society in opposition to his efforts…AND THEY WILL FAIL.
He will not make the mistake Hillary did, for instance, when she wanted to do the medical insurance for everyone thing the way she wanted to do it.
SHIT IS GOING TO HAPPEN! You have got to realize that shit is going to happen. Enemies…people who loathe us…are going to try to attack us. ANY SUCCESS they have will be attributed to the moves Obama is making away from the moves the scum have been making during the last eight years.
He has got to move deliberately…and carefully.
HE IS DOING THAT!
GIVE HIM THE GODDAM TIME AND SPACE TO TRY TO GET THE JOB DONE…in a way that MAY eventually meet many of the objectives you have. To try to do it your way, in my opinion (and apparently in the opinion of Obama), may very well lead to less chance of the objectives being met.
Give him the space and time to try to do things his way!
Stop piling on him.
Be supportive…because if ever a leader needed support from the country…Obama does right now.
My second reaction to 9/11 was to make my first donation to the ACLU. I hate it sometimes. It defends the only aspects of freedom that need defending: the ugly ones, the scary ones.
What is hindering this are three very real problems in this country. One a energy policy focused on oil. A military industrial industry dependent on major spending. Out of balance trade policies that favor international money markets and banks.
Fix even one of those and you improve the lot of the average American.
And I think, as an American, I have every right to say it. I had every right to criticize George Bush. I have every right to take Obama to task for things that are going awry. Obama's not infallible, and I'm pretty sure there's no GRAND SCHEME. I think when Obama says he wants to do this, he means it. I'm going to at least give him the respect of taking him at his word on this. And disagreeing with it mightily. I also think part of being in this Republic must be not sitting back and letting other people do the work. Obama's not my dad or savior. He's a person. It's my job as a citizen to tell him when I think he's screwing up.
I think he's screwing up and better knock it off. The Constitution is his business. He needs to get with that.
Glen Greenwald made a good point over on big Salon today. We used to ask conservatives how they'd feel if Hillary Clinton got the powers that George Bush was claiming. Well, how would we feel if Dick Cheney had indefinite preventative detention? Safer? Sure as hell not me.
The truth is that's the way we've been living for far too long.
This used to be a vast country, vibrant, healthy and free-- a land without walls or borders, until the lawyers and insurance companies got involved and litigated the shit out of everything. Now this country is lame and tame and gimped. No more personal responsibility, we live in a nanny state. Parent's can't afford to let their kids play outdoors anymore in case they fall down and break something too expensive to fix. We can't say or do anything that could possibly be construed as having passion or feeling-- because that translates into liability for somebody someplace and their prickish, sue-happy, gunslinging lawyers.
Great soundbite after 9/11.
We immediately proceed to shut down all the airlines. Put up intense security theatre. Hassle passengers just trying to get from here to there. Make everybody take their stupid shoes off. Toss out anything useful in the trash. Confiscate our shampoo and soft drinks. Take away our rights. Spy on american citizens. Tap our phones.... and the list goes on and on and on.
I would like to point out to ANYBODY *DUMB* enough to fall for that confiscating shampoo and soft drinks thing--
All it takes is ONE Jihad'n gal to fill her happy-happy fun bags with the right binary chemicals and then visit the in-flight toilet to mix it up-- everybody onboard would have one heck of a mile-high party.
you talk about the power of the MIC, but you dont know the beginning of it.
maybe the MIC is actually so powerful, real enemies that threaten its power are nonexistent, and it must actually manufacture faux enemies. that is my personal conclusion with OKC bombing and 9/11, and many others.
obama talks about technology allowing small groups of terrorists to do a lot of damage... my question, has obama read a single line about NANOTHERMITE?
NANOTHERMITE has been discovered in 9/11 dust. its a highly exotic explosive that arguably could only originate from the MIC.
feeling more "secure" and "safe" lately? "security" and "safety" are orwellian terms whose meanings have been appropriated by the MIC for its own diabolical purposes.
many more details on my blog.
so you are experiencing >
so today you are experiencing )( this much cognitive dissonance like other joe sixpack americans. the slumber/somnambulism is momentarily interrupted by your realization that maybe even presidents are mere pawns/servants of the MIC, justifying their own enslavement, even as americans justify their own enslavement by thhe MIC.
try taking the red pill.
But one point not mentioned directly here is the use of "Code Words." Like "keep America safe." We learned under Bush that the translation meant "let me do whatever I want." So are we to assume President Obama translates it the same way?
What if keeping America safe means keeping America safe? I know it's a stretch. But what if? Is anybody really against that?
And as to upholding the constituition; I wish I had the confidence to lecture our first President who taught constitutional law on the meaning of the constituition---but I'm not that smart.
Mostly I'm happy that President Obama has the job and not me. Cause I get scared of tightropes. I certainly don't agree with everything he does---by a long shot. FISA, withholding the pictures, too cozy with rich bankers, Arne Duncan, etc---I think are terrible decisions.
But balancing human rights and safety---as you say---IS the point.
And I have heard the President say that dozens of times. If we believe what he says---that is his goal. If we don't believe it---we gotta whole lotta other issues. Can he undo all the wrongs right awy? Probobly not.
And if it were accomplsihed within the 24 hr news cycle---I wouldn't believe it.
Maybe I'm just reading this into your essay---but I THINK what you are really saying is that this is more up to us than it is to the President. And THAT I could not agree with more.
Until you got to the part about "perceived" threat.
Expressing admiration for Pete Seeger (as you do on your blog) and calling apisa your friend is what is known as severe cognitive dissonance.
Frank Aisa typed: liberal America … [has] a new-found tendency to see everything in simplistic terms."
"Obama ... CANNOT just make all these moves you people are advocating without careful small steps in that direction."
I would not accuse you, Frank, of being simplistic. Dishonest or deluded, yes. What we horrible simplistic liberals are noticing is that the small (and not-so-small) steps Obama is making are in an opposite direction—away from the rule of law, the Constitution and the various Conventions we have signed that are, too, the law of our land.
" If he tries to do [what the simplistic liberals want him to] do…he will galvanize a considerable segment of society in opposition to his efforts…AND THEY WILL FAIL."
Frank, this is pure supposition. Right now about one-fifth of the population identifies as Republicans. These are the now insubstantial "segment of society" that may oppose Obama if he were to do the right thing. Not to mention there is another small segment that will support him: libertarians.
"He will not make the mistake Hillary did, for instance, when she wanted to do the medical insurance for everyone thing the way she wanted to do it."
As of now, he is making one of the same mistakes: believing—as he announced triumphantly—that the insurance industry was getting on board with his health insurance reform plan. That took about three days to explode.
"SHIT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!" [Frank, cool down. Lower your voice. We can all hear you.]
"Enemies…people who loathe us…are going to try to attack us. ANY SUCCESS they have will be attributed to the moves Obama is making away from the moves the scum have been making during the last eight years."
Frank, you sound panicked. But you are missing an important fact: Obama is NOT moving away from what Bush did for eight years. That's what we simplistic liberals are trying to point out to you and Marla and others. Obama continues all the wars, expands the Pentagon budget more than Bush was going to, uses the fallacious version of "state secrets" that Bush came up with, continues an unconstitutional detention system—and wants to create a new system that will make this system "legal." It goes on Frank and THAT is what should scare you.
"He has got to move deliberately…and carefully.
HE IS DOING THAT!" [Frank, stop yelling!] You are right here. He is moving deliberately and carefully. He's just moving in the wrong direction.
GIVE HIM ... TIME AND SPACE ... TO GET THE JOB DONE…in a way that MAY eventually meet many of the objectives you have.
How will his moving south get us north? He is doing exactly the opposite of what we simplistic, Constitution-loving liberals want.
"To try to do it your way, in my opinion (and apparently in the opinion of Obama), may very well lead to less chance of the objectives being met."
I totally agree, once again, because his objectives are 180 degrees opposed to ours.
"Give him the space and time to try to do things his way!"
It is determination to do things his—and Bush's—way that has us worried.
"Be supportive…because if ever a leader needed support from the country…Obama does right now."
Why should we support the destruction of the Constitution and the rule of law? You keep forgetting the point of our complaints.
"Suck up to people like BBE and Dennis Loo if you hate humanity and our country...but don't kid yourself about what is going on here. If you back these people constantly nipping at Obama's heels...you are doing a disservice to our country...and by extension, to the entire world. TO HUMANITY."
Frank, with this final plea, I'm voting for delusional.
And, you have yet to use a single fact in any of your posts, just ranting.
But most of all ---thanks for the reminder of why I, as I said, don't usually participate in discussions like this. The intolerance is just not worth the time. And yes---I both admire Pete Seeger and like Frank. Still. So feel to hurl whatever insults you like. Believe me, I've been called worse. And I promise to stay away from this discussion wherever it appears, from now on!
Gnashing my teeth and trying to keep the tears from flowing.
I believe that homeland security means more than protection from aliens. I interpret the Constitution to mean that humans in America do not go hungry, are gainfully employed with a roof over their heads. It means that every kid is educated and abuse is ended.
I am with Frank Apisa all the way. Obama hasn't been in office for a year and miracles do not occur overnight. YES, MIRACLES! That is what it would take to even touch the enormous damage done to America by George Bush and Dick Cheney. The criminal activities of these two men outdo all the presidents and VP's before them, resulting among other things, taking the lives of over 4,000 Americans and countless innocent Iraquis. They should be on TRIAL FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! But no, here we have the right wingers trying to stymie Obama every step of the way with gross lies and vicious propagander.
"Now is the time for all good man to come to the aid of his country." [Patrick Henry] Now is the time for all Americans to wake up and count our blessings for having a man like President Obama in our leadership. Now is the time to stand behind him and support him for if we don't, a time to fear will surely come.
I believe that homeland security means more than protection from aliens. I interpret the Constitution to mean that humans in America do not go hungry, are gainfully employed with a roof over their heads. It means that every kid is educated and abuse is ended.
I am with Frank Apisa all the way. Obama hasn't been in office for a year and miracles do not occur overnight. YES, MIRACLES! That is what it would take to even touch the enormous damage done to America by George Bush and Dick Cheney. The criminal activities of these two men outdo all the presidents and VP's before them, resulting among other things, taking the lives of over 4,000 Americans and countless innocent Iraquis. They should be on TRIAL FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! But no, here we have the right wingers trying to stymie Obama every step of the way with gross lies and vicious propagander.
"Now is the time for all good man to come to the aid of his country." [Patrick Henry] Now is the time for all Americans to wake up and count our blessings for having a man like President Obama in our leadership. Now is the time to stand behind him and support him for if we don't, a time to fear will surely come.
The Republican party would stop at nothing to shred Constitutional liberties and now that they've got a Democratic president as a foil, they're even more extreme.
Personally, I do not believe the official version of 9/11, that 19 suicidal miscreants with a ridiculous ideology (Lets attack them so they attack Muslim countries and cause a jihad!) hijacked 4 airliners inside of about an hour, with military precision, evaded US air defenses for over an hour, and brought down 3 steel frame skyscrapers in NYC. I believe those 3 skyscrapers are the only steel frame buildings that have collapsed with out explosives. They are not similar buildings and nothing that happened to them on 9/11/2001 was similar: The 2 that were hit by planes were hit very differently and one, Building 7, was not hit by a plane at all. At 47 stories, it would have been the tallest building in 33 states but it is never mentioned in the media.
I hope I live to see the end of this period of American history, but I probably won't as I'm 60 years old. I have to take the "cultivate your own garden" view and hope that younger generations will take over sooner rather than later and that they will bring forth the "self correcting mechanism" in the American system of government.
By the way to the poster above who said Obama is the first president to have been a constitutional law professor, not so. I know that Bill Clinton also taught Constitutional law when he was young. Maybe there are others, too.
Bush and Cheney committed 9/11. Any who doubt this proven fact need merely download a free copy of "The New Pearl Harbor," Griffin, Ph.D. http://files.meetup.com/275335/The%20New%20Pearl%20Harbor.pdf
Let's hang Bush and Cheney, expropriate the known Roman Anti-Christ's "Fifth Column" for whom their sectarian faction has fronted for five generations...then discuss further necessary measures.
Truth and Justice must rule, by, for, and of, the People, or this isn't really America.
"Obama, 9/11, and the Perceived Threat from al Qaeda"
You do not know if there is a "Perceived Threat" all you know is that there is Alleged to be a "Perceived Threat".
You have, just by the title, bought into the story that "they" - whoever the perceivers of the threat are, are acting in good faith. I.E. they may be wrong but they see real danger.
How fucking naive can one boy be?.
"Are you serious about this "percieved threat" do you honestly think that Al Queda terrorist are percieved? Ask the families of the dead service members and ask them if they think this is imagined. you need to take your uninformed opinion and evaluate whether your political views are clouding your judgment. These terrorist are real and here in this country. Crap like this undermines the law enforcement, and military, and attempts to poo poo the fact that these people are trying to destroy us. wake up son, and open your eyes to the real world."
I kept being more and more puzzled by comments seemingly posted tomorrow, day after tomorrow or the day after that. Took me half a page or more to realise the article is posted complete with comments from year 2009.
Please, could this be "cleaned up" to enable those of us right now logging on to find only current comments (with, if editors deem necessary, note that earlier comments can be found at: you-name-it?)..
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Too bad you couldn't cover the nano-thermite angle, mentioned by a fellow poster.
You know that the fraudulent official account of 9/11 has been discussed in Parliaments from Japan to Australia, and addressed by leaders across Europe?
Nice analogy with Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor, though. Tonkin has been declassified as a false flag fraud. And Pearl Harbor's motivation has been revealed as purposefully antagonized. It's no wonder the U.S. is going to Hell.
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