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NOVEMBER 19, 2009 9:57AM

Deodorant and Kids: Are Americans too Hygienic?

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Most people don't love the smell of body odor.  All over the world, people bathe to stay clean and fresh.  Here in America, however, it seems that we have become a bit obsessed.  Americans use more soap than any other country.  Interestingly, we also stand farther apart--an average distance of 18 inches--to ensure that we are not entering others' olfactory zone.  

The other day my 10-year-old son came home from school and informed me that the health teacher told their class they should be wearing deodorant.  He handed me a two-page photocopied lesson entitled, "What's That Smell?   'Oh, No--It's Me!'"   There were cute cartoons and some good points about brushing teeth, hormones, and bacteria.   Filled with sentences like, "As Todd grows older, his body produces unpleasant odors if he doesn't take care of his personal hygiene,"   the pamphlet communicated to children that their bodily smells were not good, and they need to go to any extreme to stop these smells from offending others.

I am not part of the "au natural" movement.  I shave my armpits and legs and am not particularly fond of strong bodily smells.  I do, however, wonder if maybe Americans get a little carried away.

I remember being at a friend's party one summer many years ago.   There was a woman there whose tuft of underarm hair showed clearly through the sleeveless sundress she wore.  Afterwards, a group of us went for a late-night snack at a diner.  The others could barely wait to get into the car before they started making fun of this "disgusting, smelly" girl and her hairy armpits.  I defended her, asking why it was such a big deal and everyone looked at me like I had three heads.

Another time, during my senior year of college, I went to Club Med in Mexico.  There was a girl from Europe there who, again, did not shave her underarms, and, even worse, her bikini area.  She definitely did not have that "shower fresh" aroma coming off of her.   It became a big topic of conversation among the women at the resort:  who was going to be the one to tell Marlena that she needed to shave off that hair.  

Getting back to my son and deodorant:  at what point did we start telling elementary-aged children that they should be conscious of their bodies' smells?  I read accounts online where mothers complained of their six and seven-year-olds having terrible body odor.  I'm aware of the fact that children appear to reach puberty at younger ages these days, maybe as a result of their diets.   But we have to be cognizant of the health risks that all this odor paranoia may lead us to.

Commercial deodorants, which neutralize odors, and anti-perspirants, which actually block pores and interfere with the body's natural cooling process, contain ingredients that are potentially harmful.  Aluminum may be related to Alzheimer's; parabens have been linked to breast cancer; and propylene glycol is a neurotoxin that causes dermatitis and kidney and liver damage.  The FDA has concluded that no link exists between the use of deodorants and anti-perspirants and cancer.  I'm happy to hear this, as the Kiehl's deodorant I use contains aluminum.  I tried the natural stuff, and, being a hygiene-obsessed American, was not satisfied.  Yet, there is still reason in my mind to exercise caution when giving a 10-year-old a stick of deodorant to use daily.

I'm not proposing a movement to ban deodorants and forego daily showers.  I don't think it would benefit anyone to go back to the early 1800s when people bathed maybe once a month, if that.  Most people, though,  have become disconnected and disgusted by their own bodies.  Sociologists have studied pheromones in humans, finding that they give off smells that attract or repulse others.  There is a genetic fingerprint for the specific way each person smells.  Maybe it's time we realized that there just might be something to this odor thing.

 

 

 

 

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This recalled the days of my childhood, Karin, when we bathed once a week on Saturday nights, and my father bought spray Right Guard deodorant and Cashmere Bouquet soap for all of us to use. Entering high school required some adjustments to that.

It's an important topic. Thanks for addressing it.
this is a good topic. kids are maturing faster, younger. one of my grandkids has needed deodorant since the age of nine. what was emanating from beneath those skinny little arms was not good. it was offensive and strong. those hormones were firing up and making juice.

I do not equate stink with hair. you can be as hairy as you nature intended. I don't have issues with natural. I have issues with stink. I don't want to smell stinky armpits, odorous asses, smelly vaginas, cheesy peni or greasy hair. wash it daily, keep it clean, keep it dry, deodorize it if necessary.

and yes...by all means, give me my 18" of space. unless I love you. especially if I love you, I don't want you to stink. you can climb on my lap and hug me close. but please, do something about the stank.
Your're right. Somewhere between American olfactophobia and European cologne-as-bath funk is a happy medium.
You should get a look at your kids' health textbooks. They're full of mandates on all kinds of behaviors, believe me.
I remember my European born mom telling me that in some cultures, underarm hair was considered sexy because it reminded a man of public hair. With that image in mind, I am making an appointment for a total body waxing. Seriously, we have become germ obsessed, which I think leaves us vulnerable to a lot of diseases. We don't give our bodies a chance to build up natural defenses. Still, I'm not giving up my daily shower.
R
Good topic, and perhaps one of the reasons they're giving kids this info so soon is to rob bullies of ammunition. Getting teased about being smelly is pretty rough. I would like to get my hands on those pamphlets, though, and add a bit about "don't go too far!" Heavens! An 11 year old boy that smells like a used car salesman from all his Axe body spray is just as horrid.
"There was a girl from Europe there who, again, did not shave her underarms, and, even worse, her bikini area."

Even worse?? Why do American women feel the need to emulate porn stars and follow someone else's idea of what "normal" is? Look at all that hair on your head. Eww, gross...Elizabethan women used to shave the front part of their hairline. Why not continue that tradition? You have big feet. Chinese foot binding? Now that's beauty.
American women: BE YOURSELF. Ignore media-hyped guilt trips (and blogs) about what beauty is.
Ten doesn't seem exceptionally young to wear or need deodorant. I think I began wearing it at that age--the Teen Spirit brand with the green cap.

A number of girls, at least, probably ARE reaching puberty in your son's class. I think the average age of menarche is now 11 or 12, which means that 10 year old girls may well be beginning to have body odor. Perhaps, rather than single those girls out, they decided that a blanket approach was best.
I started using deoderant, by my own choice, when I was 11. I was a serious gymnast, perspired heavily during long, daily workouts, and had started to dislike my own smell. My mother thought I was "too young" but, since I bought the stuff ("Secret," as I recall) with my own money, she didn't forbid me. Anyway...I really think it's not a one-size-fits-all thing. I certainly don't think children who have not yet started puberty (so are unlikely to have strong body odors) should be encouraged to use deoderant. And it's true that such things can damage sweat glands and interfere with natural processes. That's why, instead of deoderant or anti-perspirant, I've been dabbing my armpits with scented body oils after bathing, for the last ten years. I smell nice, and my body can still do what it needs to do.
One can't ignore the fact that creating fear among preadolescents (and everyone who is older) that they will be socially ostracized for having body odor is a great boon to the profits of the cosmetics industry. Whether an odor is acceptable is to some degree socially mediated and to make all body odors except those generated with cosmetics strikes me as a flash of genious.

And the same goes for where body hair is acceptable. How many razors are sold and how much profit is made every year by all of all fearing social sanctions for having body hair in the wrong places? One cannot help but admire the brilliant marketing campaigns that manipulate us all to avoid social ostracism and others' disgust, all to the profits of the cosmetics industry.
Funny, with every other element dissected and analyzed every way about kids, I've hardly read anything about this. The key is clean carefully, I'd say.
I can't believe that I am hearing these outdated comments regarding the the stereotype that Americans have of Europeans and poor hygiene!! I am an American who has lived in Europe for the past 10 years. During this time I have encountered as few people who forgo deodorant or who neglect shaving their bikini lines or underarms, as I did when I lived in the US (there are Americans also with poor hygiene!). In Spain, where I am currently living, the people use plenty of soap, deodorant and perfumes, and shower on a daily basis. It is very embarrasing for me to hear these kind of ill informed comments from my fellow Americans.
Kathy: My mom was a clean-freak so I had to bathe every night. But I am not as strict with my kids, mostly because of my own laziness.
nofrills: i agree, stink is not so nice and it's not always from hair
Jeff: exactly--it's the happy medium i'm looking for
AtHome: luckily, my 10-year-old doesn't have a health text book yet. but i talk a lot about things like that with my 13-year-old
Donna: I'm with you on the daily shower (except sometimes on Sundays :))
Raving: it's funny, some of my 8th grade son's friends pour on the cologne and it just smells ridiculous!
Stelaa: that's what i thought but i read many mothers' comments online saying their preschoolers smelled bad--some said it was what they ate
Student: I wish all Americans could just be themselves--unfortunately i think things have gone too far for that to happen
Leeandra: i think you're probably right about the blanket approach--it is better than embarrassing girls that age
jb: so glad technology can't yet transport smells through the air waves
Eva: i like the scented body oil idea
mikek: you're right--everything is about marketing and money
Lea: I haven't read too much about it either--my son's comment started me thinking about it
lisami: maybe I was wrong to use Americans in my title but i was implying that people in the US are more neurotic about cleanliness, but not necessarily more clean and well-shaven. The first example of a girl with hair under her arms was an American girl, not a European. But yes, there is a stereotype of Europeans being less concerned with their hygiene. As with many stereotypes, it's clearly exaggerated.
Spend a day stuck in a hot classroom with a bunch of smelly middle schoolers and you might change your mind about when kids need to start using deodorant. Please, always, remember that teachers are not dealing with one or two kids at a time like you are at your house. We have 20 or more. When 15 of them are in desperate need of deodorant, our day just got really unpleasant.
amy: yes, I can appreciate that because I was an English teacher for middle and high school. Somehow I don't remember the odor problem but I have a feeling it's selective memory because I'm thinking of going back to teaching--kind of like how you don't really remember the horrible pain of child birth or you would never have any more kids!
I will NEVER forget the day when, on a extended family trip to a theme park, my grandmother pulled me aside and told me I had body odor and needed to use deodorant. I was about 10 or 11, I'd guess. I was so humiliated; it totally ruined my day at the theme park, which was a really big deal to me then. God help me to have more empathy and tact with my children when the time comes!
I'm more concerned with adults who are clueless about hygiene than ten-year olds. But maybe that's because I don't hang around enough ten-year olds.
I didn't shave my legs today... does that count?

Do they still make Irish Spring soap? I remember thinking the adverts in the 70's were so romantic...
I shave my legs and armpits and I shower most days, but I don't use deodorant at all. I used to, but I got lazy or ran out or something. And you know what? Once I stopped using it, I stopped needing it. I don't use soap much either, except on my hands. I believe the body finds its natural (non-smelly) equilibrium when we aren't constantly pestering it with chemicals.

Yeah, yeah, maybe I stink to high heaven and I just can't smell myself. If so, I've never gotten anyone to cop to it.
What O'Really said.
It's about marketing. They know Americans will buy anything on TV. It has nothing to do with hygiene. In fact, I would to take this opportunity to introduce bidets or moist wipes in all homes for all adults. Finally, front to back; not, back to front.

Well thought out, enjoyed it much.
Rated.
i think that the need for deoderant, excessive showering, soap, etc. kind of depends on the person, how active you are, what your body chemistry is like and what you eat.

also, it's not all or nothing. for example me and my son (I'm male) both take a bath every day but we don't shampoo every day. shampoo and soap strip your body's natural oils. it's not necessary to shampoo every day unless you are really oily, are really active or otherwise need to.

i wear deoderant every day but on the days that i've forgotten, it's usually not much of a problem unless i'm eating really aromatic foods or very active or am overly stressed out (or otherwise toxic).

but - i kind of understand how a teacher may feel that middle-schoolers should wear deoderant.

there is, indeed, a balance.
I think on some level we have become wired to believe that any body "scent" is gross.

I call bullshit. The natural scent of a healthy, clean person is much more pleasent than most of the "uber stinky" bath products out there. When I take a whiff of Hubs, I want to smell his yummy scent, not Axe (or some other BS)

Hygenie is important, but we can be clean without drenching ourselves in "yuck" (Just my humble opinion) Thoth has a great point though, if its on TV, the wallets come out :)
gotta say i'm totally in support of the movement to teach kids to be a little more hygenic because frankly, they may NOT be getting this info at home. i know i didn't. still remember the shame i felt when a kid in the fifth grade said very loudly to me, "you need to wash your neck!" my parents actually forbid us from taking daily showers (waste of water) and growing up in the CA desert, i can only imagine what i was like until my best friend's parents kinda took me under their wing and bought me my first stick of deodorant.
My 9 yo will have underarm smell if he doesn't take a bath for 2 days in a row or if he takes quick baths and forgets the soap for several days running. He hasn't hit puberty and the smell isn't at all like an adult man's stale, sweaty underarm odor, but it is a reminder that soap has a purpose.
Other cultures do have different reactions to female body hair. I remember in Haiti, a woman who wore her best dress when she came to town (Cap Haitian). It displayed considerable cleavage, dotted with little worls of black hair. Maybe there were 10 hairs showing, few enough that plucking them wouldn't be a problem.

Boy, did the men sit up and take notice when she arrived! Apparently the hair made the cleavage that much more spectacular and eye-catching.