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NOVEMBER 5, 2009 9:34PM

BREAKING NEWS: Fort Hood Shooter Is ALIVE

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Just reporting what I just heard.  The first responder who shot him multiple times is wounded but alive.  He was shot multiple times but is in stable condition.

The doctor was scheduled to be deployed to Iraq on November 28th.  The three suspects held for questioning have been released.  This has no smell of terrorism from the beginning.  It reeked of lone gunman.

I have a theory and now that the man has been taken alive, maybe we will find out.  He is a counselor for the soldiers returning with PTSD.  He has to sit and listen to them recount war attrocities.  I believe that internally he suffered PTSD from actually hearing the stories.

I believe that he then felt the war to be unjust.  Kay Bailey Hutchison said today that he had been very vocal against the war and his deployment.  So why would you consider sending someone with that mindset to a war zone?

I think something snapped inside of the man.  He was single, no children and 39 years old.  He had a lot of time on his hands.  It doesn't take much to turn a suicidal person into an angry homicidal person. I am walking, living proof as I was attacked by a suicidal man via automobile.  He succeeded in his attempt to die, but luckily I lived.

I think the fact that this man lived as opposed to Cho and Harris/Kliebold will go a long way toward learning what causes these snaps from reality.

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Good, make him face justice!
It is a very good thing that he is still alive. There is so much to learn from this guy in an investigation. We will be quite sick of hearing his name before long, but we have much to learn.
It must be very difficult to listen to the deep mental pain of others, day after day. I just don't get how over-empathy morphs into homicidal maniac.
I couldn't believe your post when I read it. You are absolutely right. I can't believe this. Where was he all this time. How could they report him dead? CNN is all over it but AC seems confused. I would be too.
PS Thanks for the info. Rated.
Sounds right; thanks for the info.
Oh in the military he WILL face justice Miko. Make no doubt about that. The others who have done similar things thus far in this war and lived are all doomed to die from the death penalty. But in the interim, I want us to learn from him.

Totally agreed, 100% Bill.

ABlonde, we are all different. He obviously had some pre-existing mental illness prior to doing this. The man that hit me had just lost his wife to cancer, had cirrhosis of the liver and was terminally ill. He was a chronic alcoholic yet his idiot Dr. Tutuer like doctor prescribed him anti-depressants to be washed down by J&B. People snap, especially when faced with their own mortality.

I was watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow announced it. I can only surmise that he looked dead at the scene. He could have just been a bloody heap but not hit anywhere vital.

I guess we'll see T. We all need to pray it's not some terroristic plot considering he's got Middle-Eastern heritage. The right will have a field day with that.
I'm glad the first responder is still alive - I had heard he was killed as well. Obviously, the fewer dead the better! Sad, sad, situation all the way around. Thanks for the update.
I'd like how the one HLN reporter tried to weave it in that the good doctor went to Virginia Tech too!!!

EEK!! ~rolling eyes~ As the rest of the panel did when she said that!!!

Rated.
This is sad on so many levels. It speaks volumes about how the military has yet to learn how to treat these most vulnerable people--the soldiers who go to war. It's all messed up and sad.
I thought that the first responder who "killed him" was a woman.
Well, it would go a long way in helping us understand exactly why these things happen, if we were willing to ask questions and pay attention. Of course, we're not as a society. We're primarily interested in revenge and direct blame. Attempting to find out root causes would take entirely too long - we want this to be over and done with ASAP so we can move on to the next outrage/tragedy.

This story is beyond sad, because we never want to think of what the drums of war really sound like. All we want to hear is the pageantry and enjoy the spoils, rather than deal with the atrocities that come with them.
Blue, I was having the exact same thoughts about this guy earlier, only I thought perhaps that he was also somewhat unstable to begin with as well. I can't imagine what kind of mental state the guy had to have been in to think that going on a fucking shooting spree would in anyway be a good idea, but then again I'm not insane.
I heard he gave away furnature today as well. A sign of suicidal behavior.
It pisses me off he wasn't brought down sooner, but on post we can't carry our weapons, military issue or personal, save for MP's.(despite the fact that we are all trained in the effective use of our weapons). Fact is, I ususally feel safe on post! Who the fuck would expect this shit? It's terrible.
Those SRC's are tightly packed areas. I keep thinking about the one's I've been in and how damn horrible that scene had to have been.
I hope they fry this bastard.
"What causes these snaps from reality?" I, too, am keenly interested in that very question. Perhaps post traumatic stress disorder, being horribly, critically depressed. Yes, he was probably unstable to begin with, and listening to those stories day in day out did him in. A horrible, horrible tragedy. Did anyone notice that something was wrong? Did it show? Sometimes it just doesn't.
Who will heal the healers? It's been an age-old problem...

PTSD is the new pandemic, forget H1N1. And, it's one the White House and the CDC and the VA will not acknowledge.

"Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues." (CNN update 11/5/09 5:22pm)

Fasten your seatbelts, people. It's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Blue, the first responder that actually put him down was a woman and she is out of surgery and stable.

I think it's just the irony of it Tink.

What's ironic M.P. is that military personnel aren't allowed to carry guns on a base. He had to sneak those guns in. Yet these yahoos show up at a Presidential speech proudly displaying assault weapons and pistols on hips like the old west...

Correct Judie, it was a woman. I suspect when she recovers she'll get a well deserved congrats too.

Aaron, great point. To quote the great lyricist Eddie Vedder, "the smallest oceans still make, big, big waves." It's not just the soldiers who come back with limbs missing that are suffering. I don't know when or if the military or world in general will start taking notice that these folks need more in depth help mentally when they return from tour after tour. Perhaps the Doctor will be able to shed some light on that subject.

True Andy. I heard reports that very few of the families who live on base at Fort Hood even lock their doors at night.

Polly, I think the fact that he was a counselor on PTSD probably meant people assumed he would know how to handle the stress of listening to the soldiers. That has turned out to be a big mistake.
The mind is fragile and this guy sounds like a loner. Thirty-nine, single, never married and angry about being deployed. Maybe he had very few close friends to talk to and maybe the other soldiers stigmatized him because he's a "shrink". Some people are afraid to talk openly to psychiatrists as friends for fear of being analyzed.

Dragonlady these are my thoughts exactly. Who heals the healer?
I think that will be a focal point.
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