
I would like a serious answer about this.
I am not a parent, and I have been told that until I become a parent, I can never really understand what it is like to be one. So I just have to trust what the parents tell me.
And yet I am quite sure that most parents are not telling the full truth and nothing but the truth.
One of my very few skills in life is detecting lies and omissions. And my radar is going off all over the place when it comes to parents.
I would really like to understand the parenthood thing. So I often ask people what it’s like. But most of the time, I don’t think I get a full and honest answer. The usual answer is something along the lines of “it’s the best thing I’ve ever done in my life and you should definitely have kids too.” To me, this is rather hard to swallow.
On the other hand, I have also gotten the following less rosy responses:
· One woman told me that while she loves her kids and would never unwish their existence now that they’re here, if she had known what parenthood was like before she had kids, she wouldn’t have done it.
· Another man told me that while his life cruised along at a solid 8 on the 1-to-10 scale before he had children, it was almost entirely 1s and 10s afterwards. And that he wasn’t sure the roller-coaster was preferable.
· Another woman told me that while she generally feels satisfied and happy, at least once a week she wants to abandon her husband and kids and just run away from her life. The funny thing about that comment was that to me, wanting to run away from your life and disappear sounds REALLY BAD – if I felt that way about my life even occasionally, I would be looking to make some immediate and drastic changes. But the woman who said this acted like it was ordinary.
These three examples were people who were unusually candid. But with most parents I talk to, I suspect that they’re lying, or at least hiding something.

Perhaps this is fair, because I generally don’t feel like I can be honest with parents about how it looks to me as an outside observer – I’m afraid they will either cry or slap me.
Because most of the time, from my perspective, it doesn’t look good. The parents I know seem, as a general rule, to be less happy than the non-parents. They are more stressed out, more exhausted, more worried, less fun, less funny, and much more interested in their personal/familial lives than the outside world – at least compared to those without children.
Now of course, this is all perfectly natural. Raising a child (or more than one) takes a huge amount of physical and emotional energy. Anything that sucks up your physical and emotional energy will lead to the previously enumerated list of characteristics. So I understand.
But my question is, why do people become parents when parenthood seems so awful?
I don’t criticize people who have children. Just the opposite. I’m GLAD most people want kids, because we need them. I love my niece and I’m glad my sister had her, for my own selfish enjoyment. But I can also look at my sister’s life and say that, as an objective matter, it seemed better before she became a parent (she might not agree with me but that’s my assessment).
I just don’t get it. I’ve never understood it. It truly mystifies me why anyone would want to have children. And I really want to understand.
Here’s the way I see it: having a child is like having an arranged marriage with a person you won’t meet until your wedding day. And then you can never get divorced. Your spouse could be tall or short, kind or mean, mentally or physically disabled, funny or humorless, ugly or pretty, lazy or energetic, smart or dull – you won’t know until it’s too late. And you will be 100% responsible for your spouse’s emotional, physical, intellectual, and financial well-being for the rest of your life. If your spouse has problems – say, he/she is an alcoholic or autistic – you will be blamed. You will worry about your spouse and feel guilty about your spouse without cease.
Who in their right mind would sign up for a marriage like that? NO ONE!! Yet that’s exactly what you sign up for when you have a child. You don’t know who your child will be until it’s too late. And you can never, ever, ever un-do it.
So why do 9 out of 10 people seem so gung-ho about this?? Can anyone give me some answers?

This question is of particular interest to me because I am a 31-year old childless woman. Accordingly, I receive inquiries about my interest in motherhood fairly frequently. I respond that I have no such interest. When asked why, I can rattle off a long list:
· The thought of pregnancy and birth is literally horrifying (and I don’t understand why most women don’t feel this way – a HUMAN BEING grows IN YOUR GUTS and then tears its way out of the most sensitive part of your body!!! Aaiiieee!!! I got goose-bumps just typing that -- shudder).
· It’s much too risky to make a lifelong commitment to a human being I’ve never even met, who could very well be someone I wouldn’t like at all, or who wouldn’t like me at all.
· I deeply value and enjoy my romantic/sexual relationship and don’t want to ruin it.
· I strive to minimize my financial obligations in all manners possible and a child is the biggest financial obligation I can think of.
· While dogs and cats bring a smile to my face and make me want to touch and interact with them, I’m indifferent to children.
· I’m philosophically uncomfortable with the lack of consent inherent in parent-child relationships – children don’t ask to be born and certainly don’t ask to be born to their particular parents or raised in a particular household. I still sympathize with the teenager’s outrage at being forced to live by rules they never agreed to.
· When I think back to my own childhood I feel quite bad for my parents and all the sacrifices they made, and certainly would not want to live with my adolescent self.
· I cherish sleep and the idea of not sleeping in on weekends makes me want to cry.
· Human society could very well be worse in the future, and there are too many humans.
· I prefer peace and quiet, I’m a low-energy person, and I’m an introverted type who needs to spend lots of time in my own head.
· I find the idea of living with someone who masturbates all over your house, openly disrespects you, lies to your face, and eats all your food (i.e. a teenager) distasteful.
I could go on, but the point is, I can easily think of dozens of very concrete and important reasons not to have a child. Yet I never get ANY comprehensible explanation for why I should want a child. Instead, I get bizarre and inexplicable reasons, like the following:
· It’s a form of immortality. (Really? Does anyone actually care about this??)
· It’s fascinating to watch a little you develop. (I assuredly do the world a big favor by preventing it from having to deal with a “little me”)
· You’ll have someone to care about you when you’re old (This one is the weirdest. I should make my life miserable during my prime for the benefit of my last few decrepit months? I would rather hang out with other old decrepit people than guilt young people into hanging out with me at that point anyway)
I am at the age where everyone around me is popping out babies. I feign enthusiasm and cheer for my friends upon each new pregnancy, when really I find the whole phenomenon to be quite inscrutable. Still, when most people you know and the culture as a whole collectively tells you that you’re wrong, that you would be a great mother, that you would love being a mother, and that you’re missing out, you start to doubt yourself. So I wonder.
I am not trying to be snarky or mean-spirited. I am honestly just curious. I want to understand. Because I only have a few years left to change my mind.
So please, explain it to me. Why have kids when it looks so bad?


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I will offer the straight dope.
In order of your list, the answers to your reasons not to for me are:
It doesn't grow in your guts, it grows in your womb, and I thought it would be horrifying, "Alien" and all that. It was not. It was the most beautiful experience I have eve had. I never wanted to give birth as he was safe and protected as long as he was inside. You grow a new organ, the placenta! Making life is awe inspiring.
You very well may not like them and they may not like you. That is why two parents are desirable, as the other half of the one you create needs both sets of its blueprints around to explain the weird to the one that didn't give it to them.
They do not ruin your sex life but they do diminish the frequency.
Kids will eat every dime you earn fo rthe rest of your life and make you buy life insurance. And you won't mind.
You will not be indifferent to your own children. I still do not go ga ga over other people's children.
Tough for the teenager. When they start buying the lights and food, they can make unilateral decisions. This is the first true head against wall encounter with "Life is not 'fair'". Learning to deal with this is part of becoming a grown human being.
All adolescents are curs and banes to the existence of everyone they interact with. Good thing it only lasts about 4 years...
Sleep is for the weak! And for during school hours and nap time.
Too many humans is not a problem. Thinning the herd is done with genetics. You needen't bother. When you decide to breed, you might not be able to. And you eggs are on a time clock after age 30, no matter what the celebrity fertility docs can do for about $100,000. If you have that to gamble with, hang tight!
You will get over that or die or go on meds. There is no such thnig as alone once the kid is here.
All teenagers are disgusting, rude, and mooches. But only if you let them develop as such. That is where parenting comes into play.
It might be tough to translate to a single person the bliss of the simple things kids do that make up for all the fantastic, pleasurable things that I'd no doubt be getting more of if not for being a parent, but getting to see those things every day is truly better than anything else I've felt.
Would rate this several times if I could.
1) How many parents that you know, after having a child, opt to have another one?
My experience is "lots of them" (if not MOST). Ergo, despite some bitching, most parents enjoy parenthood enough to want MORE of it.
2) From your perspective you see only the outside view of parenthood - tiredness, busyness, etc. What you don't see is the FUN that parents have (much of it at home) and no one can ever adequately describe for you the LOVE they feel for their kids (Just as I doubt your describing your love for your boyfriend/husband could make me feel warm and fuzzy about him).
3) If you don't want kids, don't have kids. Be suspicious of those who attempt to evangelize you regarding anything whether it be religion, Amway or kids.
However, keep in mind that even YOU can not imagine how you would feel about kids. I was never particularly interested in having kids and I'd never particular liked being around other people's kids - and yet, now that I have two of my own I love them more than life itself (sorry for the cliche) and believe that they having those kids are the best thing I've ever done in my life (sorry again).
4) The biological clock is real for many women. Don't be surprised if some day you have a burning desire to have kids.
5) And as long as we're looking at other people's lives and judging them, i might as well throw in that I know a few 40 - 60 year olds without kids and despite the fact that they go on a few more vacations than I do, their lives look pretty empty to me and i tend to feel a bit sorry for them.
6) We live in a me - me - me society. We thrive on personal freedom. We tend to be materialistic and hedonistic to the extent that our incomes allow us. And yet, even with ubiquitous birth control, probably 95% of married couples CHOOSE to have kids. Hmmm. I wonder why that is?
6) I personally believe that when you really think about the human condition, what makes us thrive and what ultimately drives us is the need to give and receive love and to feel like we have meaning in our lives. The pursuit of almost all other goals, whether it be money, travel, career, etc. spring forth from an underlying desire for these things.
And kids provide us with the opportunity to give and receive love and acceptance, and lend a sense of meaning to our lives.
...anyway - that's my .02 on the subject. : )
I wrote a post responding in a format that makes sense and cross posted a link to here.
The thing parents won't tell you is that their lives had no meaning compared to the experience of having a child. Even fullfilled, happy people get an exponential humanity boost when parenting works out for them. It can also ruin your life if it goes bad or you are not suited to it. It is the biggest gamble you will ever make with the highest possible outcome AND potential backfire.
But that is like explaining sex to a virgin. And Parents know how the conceptualized it before and after, which non-parents do not. And that is whay they don't talk abou this. They know that outside the experience, you cannot understand it.
At least you are thinking about it instead of screwing in the backseat of a car at 15 and hoping that virgind can't get pregnant. Good thinking!
My very long story, in brief, is: I was told at an early age that I could not get pregnant, so I didn't expect to be a parent. I lost three serious relationships with wonderful men because they desperately wanted me to have children. My husband said he didn't care about that. Skip ahead 10 years. Despite contraception, I became pregnant at 41. My husband left.
I decided to go through with the pregnancy, even though I share many of your misgivings, am pro-choice and lost my husband. Even though I had never even had a job babysitting.
Everyone tried to talk me out of it. I heard that it was a bad investment, I'll never have a sex life, sleep, fillintheblank. I got zero support from all but a couple of my friends. Everybody dropped me because I now had a baby. I don't have to bring him to your home, we can meet somewhere else. You can still call me because he isn't awake all the time, but, no.
Having been on both sides, it's not that bad. I don't know what the future holds and I guess if you're looking for a guarantee of happiness, there isn't one, either way. Happiness is within you (or not) whether or not you're a parent.
It all depends on what you want out of life. You shouldn't have children unless you want the experience of being completely responsible for raising and nurturing another human being. You shouldn't have children unless you are prepared for years of hard work and sacrifice. If it's what you want, it can be the most rewarding and fulfilling experience possible.
Why do people have children? For the same reason they have sex: instinct. Evolutionarily, our only purpose is to reproduce.
I'm 30 and childfree. Married 9 years to the love of my life who had her tubal ligation at age 21. We decided, long ago, that we did not want to have kids. We made a *choice* to be childfree. There was no "unplanned pregnancy" to deal with. Honestly? We're happy with our choice.
We have friends, married and unmarried, who also have made choices to have children and to not have them. The honest answer for WHY people have kids is, I suspect, mainly biological - some people have a strong innate urge to breed and be parents, some do not.
Your question is rather like asking someone who loves hot peppers why they like hot peppers - some people just like the burning sensation, some don't. A person who accidentally eats a hot pepper probably won't like it, while a person who eats them on purpose probably will.
The decision to have a child is a personal choice and the answers are different for everyone. Personally, I am pleased with my marriage and our choice to not have children - we have a lot more freedom than our friends with children have, and we feel a lot less trapped by life and circumstances due to our choices, I would wager.
Then again, we won't ever know the sorrow or joy of raising a child - and we're content with this choice. I also won't ever know the sorrow or joy of bungee jumping; not my thing but others swear by it. ;)
Ok...ok, you guys who did not have kids are dandy. Get over yourselves.
I absolutely relate to seeing friends have kids and then seem less vivacious and happy and fun and yadda yadda yadda than they'd been before. This probably makes me an asshole, but like you, I wonder if they're lying about kids being the bestestest thing ever due to denial, like, "I wish I hadn't gotten myself into this, so I'll just pretend from now on that it's the shizznit."
Loved the analogy to an arranged marriage--spot on. Although, of course, parenting does a great deal to mold a lot the characteristics of a child and you CAN relinquish parental rights if you're okay with a lot of state intervention in your life forever after. Anyway, fantastic post, thank you so much. Rated.
First of all, like all intimate relationships, most of the joy you experience doesn't tend to happen in public. It was easy for me to judge my friends and their kids, I wasn't exactly crawling into bed with them, reading them bed time stories.
Yeah it's a lot of work. But I suspect/hope you do some kind of meaningful work that not everyone envies or understands. Stress doesn't always equal misery, if you believe the stress you are suffering is worth it.
But here's the thing I really didn't understand: I can see far more clearly, I think, some of the mistakes, and some of the gifts my parents gave me, in ways that I didn't understand until started living with some of the decisions they had to make.
I certainly never understood how my parents could love me all that time I was sure I was driving them crazy, and being a horrible teenager. But now I know that they did. Because kids are not programmed to love their kids unconditionally. But parents generally are, even when they're not doing a very good job of expressing it. Having a kid, and knowing how easy it is to forgive them, has made it easier to forgive myself for all the atrocious and immature behaviour that I was guilty of.
You did ask, so I'm going to say that my life would not have had the depth and richness that it has without my son. I won't go as far as to say that your life won't. But if you're debating it, I would take the risk.
Being a parent is hard, hard work. Also, I think sometimes in our society, when the woman is expected to do most of the childcare, when she had different expectations, maybe of actually getting help with that, (not that this happens all the time, of course, there are great dads out there but there's still some sexist crap that happens), it can make for a bitter person, which is not good for childcare.
There are times when I weep. Times when I want to pull out my hair. But you know, I had those same times when I was childless. So, that's not different. I gained a new appreciation of my mother and father. I never knew I could love someone so much. Basically, it's pretty fucking wonderful.
But it is damned hard.
My question back would be what is the answer for which you are looking? It seems very much like the childless answers please you more, but you seem to dismiss the child-yes answers as trite or meaningless. In other words, you're ready to knock them down.
I promise I'm not being argumentative. More than anything, I think we have to do what's right for us in life. If you don't want to have children, for god's sake, Do Not do it. It is not for everyone, and it does not immediately confer sainthood if you do have them. There are some shitty-ass parents out there, and even the best of us make mistakes. It's just something that we can do ... have children.
But I had a child for the same reason I have friends, family, wish for significant others, have a job that I care about, etc. It is part of what I wanted in life. And it is more than I expected. I love her. I love her, and that experience is worth a thousand sleepless nights and the loss of going to drink at the bar at will.
But, it is not for everyone. And rightly so. The pressure to have kids is ridiculous.
The other thing I wanted to say is this, and if you don't have kids you won't like it, but it's the Honest-to-God Truth as I know it: When you are a parent, you are a wiser person. I can't tell you how much enlightenment parenting gives one, primarily from all the humble pie one eats after having so many opinions about personality and behaviorism and nature/nurture and religion and every other philosophical thing you've ever waxed on about. Nothing, and I mean nothing philosophical that you have ever thought in your life doesn't come under scrutiny and get reinforced or ditched after having children. Your entire worldview undergoes a revisiting, and by definition, you are now wiser than those who did not experience both worldviews. I would never say this out loud to people I know in real life, but it is simply true. Ask anyone with kids.
Society (maybe even biology?) does seem to push people into asking the question "Why don't I want children?" and defending their answer. My goodness, there's a logical list a mile long for not having children. If nothing else, the shear number of people on earth is a fantastic reason not to make another. Someone, somewhere has got you covered. There are few, if any, logical justifications for childbearing. In choosing to remain childless, you have the weight of perfectly excellent reasoning behind you, don't let society bully you!
Of course, lots of us who do have children are enormously happy with the outcome (though not for logical reasons) and the issues that bother some parents (e.g., roller coaster life, lack of solitude) just don't hang us up as much. I believe it's simply a difference of personality and style.
But it is also the most natural of all human acts. Responsibility is a gift. It's only our artificial society that penalizes being human that makes it seem not so.
And as a side note: methinks you do protest too much :)
Most parents want to kill their kids some times, and most don't. It's genetic. It's how we've come to number 6 and 3/4 billion people. If you want that kind of love, no matter what kind of "arranged marriage" you get, then have kids. If you don't, don't. It's not an easy question, and as you've discovered, for nearly the first time in human history, we have a choice about the answer.
I wish you peace when you find your answer.
I'm not going to try to convince you to have kids. That's not my business. But I do see reasoning like what is in your post fairly often from people who don't have kids and don't want them, and I think it contains some misapprehensions I'd like to try to correct.
For one thing, the idea that I see echoed in several comments, of friends having kids and being less vivacious and fun-loving or whatever. I'd like to stick my neck out and say that actually what happens is that your friends become less entertaining *for you* and more generally responsible. I mean no matter how upstanding you are pre-kids (and I was pretty boring) your priorities change. It doesn't mean you're enjoying life less, but it does mean you're enjoying it in different ways, and likely in more private ways. Just because someone isn't the "life of the party" or going out to whatever kind of social events are the standard in your circle (concerts, marches, bars, clubs, whatever) doesn't mean that their life has been reduced to a dreary sludge of gruel. When people are unable to see this, I am kind of puzzled--it seems somewhat adolescent to define "fun" as only being out and about on the town being "vivacious."
After I had kids I quickly learned which of my friends knew me as a person and who I knew as a person, they were in for the long haul. And I learned which friends simply found me "entertaining"--witty, funny, silly, whatever. They faded away pretty quickly, and they probably thought that I had "ruined my life" with kids.
My kids aren't teenagers yet, but I will say, while everyone goes through their difficult phases and hormonal moods and whatever, there's a lot a parent can do to mitigate the things you fear. Recently we've come up with this idea that teens need to be basically raised by their peers, which amounts to nothing better than abandoning them and letting them be raised by wolves. The less you succumb to this, the less likely you are to have an ill-mannered creep living with you. And yes, it's still possible to have standards and rules. You can say no. You can set limits. In fact, you should.
All the other stuff you describe, well, it's kind of missing the point IMHO. I could make owning a dog sound equally as horrid and arduous and make a post that made it sound like the only person who would ever contemplate taking on such a burden must be some kind of idiotic masochist. You simply can't describe a relationship of love in terms of how much money it costs, for one thing. And "asking to be born"? Are you kidding me? Do you wish you hadn't been born? Do most people? Obviously not. It seems like overthinking to an extreme.
I didn't have children to keep me company in old age, to pay anyone's social security, or to watch "mini me" grow up. I had the first one because I wanted a child. Because I wanted to find out who this child would be, and to give her the best chance I could at a good life--which does NOT mean a pony and a private school and material spoiling, not in the slightest. And I had the second one because I wanted neither one of them to be alone in their generation, and because I realized that every time you spin the wheel you get a different person as the outcome, and I was curious to meet the next one. I have love to give, and I wanted to give it to them. I'm a human being and I haven't given up on humanity yet. Because raising them is my calling. There are lots of reasons, most of which I am sure a devoted childfree person could shrug off as "narcissistic" or "silly," but they are real and profound reasons for many people.
As for kids being the death of relationships, my husband and I are just getting through a life-changing illness, and it's been a maturing experience for both of us (I was the one who was sick). If we can do that, and all we get out of it is grief, physical pain and fear, I think a tough experience that we get a kid out of sounds like something we can handle.
Anyways- a few points:
1. One thing tht is true for me is that- Before we had kids- our house was kind of big, empty and quiet. After we have the 2 little ones- the whole house just more or less came alive. The bustle and hustle and yelling and laughter just fills the whole house up. As we mature, we gradually lose our sense of wonder and exciteability. We are not as easily amused. The kids brought laughter and giddiness back into our lives. I needed that.
2. I never played with or held anyone else's babies before we had our own (babies always cried whenever I tried to pick them up). The funny thing is, after we had ours- not only did I enjoy our own kids- now I enjoy playing with other people's kids too. I enjoy seeing other people's babies. I make faces at strangers' babies. I keep an eye out for other people's toddlers to help keep them out of danger. In short- I feel a lot more 'connected' to the rest of humanity now.
3. From your photos- you probably think that having babies is all about dealing with screaming and crying and pooping etc. There is plenty of that. But when the baby finally falls asleep in your arms after a solid 20 minute struggle. You will not believe the happiness that radiates all throughout your body as you stare down at the perfectly formed angelic little creature sleeping peacefully cradled in your arms. I don't care how bad a day or a life you've had. At that moment you will be swept away with a happiness that hasn't been matched by any known drug.
4. Sure- the boy might grow up to be a disappointment and an asshole. Your daughter may hate you for life and send you her therapy bills. BUT, for the moment, when the little pug-nosed baby is asleep in your arms, the possibilities are still wide open and endless. Isn't that what life is all about? Possibilites?
As far as to "why" people have kids? Thats like asking what is pleasure? . . . . everyone is going to have a different response.
Since when did having kids become something that would "ruin" one's life? Hell, when I think of things that would ruin my life . . . having kids just isn't on the list.
If one must ask if "having kids" will ruin their life . . . . they need to do some serious reflection on whether or not they should.
Rated.
That said, my biological children are grown and I can safely say that the horrible things you fear have not come to pass in my life. The physical parts, far from being revolting, were life-changing in very positive ways. My relationship with my husband is joyful and serene. We didn't die of lack of sleep. We weren't tied down. Our careers didn't suffer. The toddlers weren't terrors. The teenagers weren't disrespectful and selfish. We didn't run out of money. We never regretted having them, and now they're productive adults whom I greatly enjoy as independent human beings.
Short answer: For those who want children, there's nothing better, but that's not ever going to be a reason to change your mind.
I agree with all of this post.
The only thing parents seem to be able to say in regard to whole eras of their kids lives is that at least they are temporary (only a bably for two years, only a toddler for two, only a teen for five, etc.)
Well, Gosh, that's nine years wrecked right there.
I would add that once you have kids your "carbon footprint" is infinite. Infinity is pretty big.
We don't need children. Their roles can be filled with grateful immigrants.
But here's the truth. You do not know, you cannot know, what parenthood will bring. It could be heartwrenching. It could be wonderful. Marriage is somewhat similar. You can't know what life will bring.
If you are a control freak, if you can't imagine giving yourself to something you can't finally control or determine: don't do it. A child needs your love and loyalty, no matter what. If you see it as a spiritual decision, the consequence of which you cannot fully know from the outset, but that you hope you will rise to meet, then I think you are on the right track.
A woman I knew told me childbirth wasn't that bad. I believed her. And she was right. But in this I know I was lucky. Again, you can't know what kind of experience you'll get. 36 hours of back labor-- that's bad. Garden variety delivery? Not much to talk about.
I became a parent a bit later than most. And I only have one. Maybe this contributes to the ease. I don't rile as easily as I used to. And one is far more manageable than 2 or more. And research shows, it doesn't make them horrible and selfish. That's all in the parenting.
Good luck to you.
No one should tell you to have kids if you don’t want them. If you have this much doubt, you probably shouldn’t.
And it is the most amazing thing that has ever happened to you.
You have to contain both within you, which, I think, and I am definitely biased, makes you a wiser person.
It is not something to be taken lightly. But I have NO regrets, as fucking impossible as it seems some times.
"Their hearts were wrung with anguish, the anguish of having children...a vulnerability as astounding as the capacity for love that parenting brings."
It's the double edged sword...anguish and love. Good luck with your decision.
I thought instead I'd tell you why I like myself better as a person after raising 3 children who are all now in their early 20s, and many of those years on my own. In other words, what I got out of being a parent. I can't imagine the person I'd be otherwise.
I learned patience I never thought I had
I became a far more tolerant human being
I learned how to be a teacher and how to better share what knowledge and talents I have
I became less self-centered and more interested in the welfare others
I learned that joy is found in very small moments
I learned how to multi-task to the nth degree (and become a better worker)
I learned how to see things from many points of view and be an effective mediator
I became someone who others can better rely on and a better friend
I learned how to just keep going even when I didn’t want to because others depended on me – and in doing so realized I can overcome anything
I learned how to love better than I ever did before
I love my children and I'm happy that I have them. Truly. Having children managed to break my cycle of self-absorption and has shown me different facets of love that I'd not be able to experience had I remained childless. Another bonus is that I'm now privileged to see the world through the eyes of my children. There is much that I missed the first time through. The view is fresher and more hopeful than what I usually see with my cynical adult eyes and I value this perspective as a gift.
Are there days when I want to run away? Yes, but it's not because I don't love them or because I feel that I made a mistake in having them. It's because too much of anything can be overwhelming. Too much work makes us want a vacation; it does not make us sorry we have a job. Too much alone time makes us crave companionship; it does not make us never want to be alone again. Being in a crowd makes us crave solitude; it does not make us want to never be around people again.
It's all about balance. I will have plenty of alone time once they are grown, and I'm sure that I'll miss these busy days terribly.
Is there one answer, whether to have kids or not, that's right for everyone? Of course not! Each person has to choose what's right for her/himself and there's plenty of room for both parents and non-parents. If you have the slightest inclination that having kids isn't your thing, then don't have them, no matter what anyone else says. I'm a strong believer in that people who don't want children should not have them. Every child deserves to be born wanted and loved.
There's a hint of superiority in your post which I'm hoping is unintentional. No one choice is better than the other. I would never want anyone who'd made a different choice from me feel bad about it. I would certainly hope that no one would want to make me feel bad about mine.
Some people feel their lives are or would be ruined, others don't.
So, thanks parents. Keep talking. Dharma's eavesdropping over here.....as she drinks Proseco w/ Stellaaaaaa.:)
I have no real interest in being a parent. I'm in my mid thirties and frequently see babies and think, "yay a baby, I want to hold it." But I always want to give them back. It's possible to like, even fall in love with babies, but not want to actually raise them. I think of my nieces and nephew, I adore them but am delighted they live with other people.
I'm just as confused as you...
Some have questioned my motives or what kind of answer I’m looking for. I suppose the post just reflects my profound ambivalence. I am not “devotedly childfree” – I’m confused. This whole topic really eats at me. It takes up too much of my mental space. And since the people at Open Salon are bright and articulate, I figured I might get some good answers.
I have no personal desire, urge, or drive to have kids. I’m happy with my life and it doesn’t feel like anything is missing. And a lot of times, as I wrote, it doesn’t look good from the outside. It looks bad. But everyone else tells me I’m wrong – including some very smart people that I very much respect – and that makes me seriously doubt myself. The social pressure is strong and effective. Maybe they’re right!
The posts from ePriddy, vera war, Juliet Waters, odetteroulette, Lissa, and others who didn’t want kids but had one anyway and are now deeply glad that they did just increase my ambivalence. The picture I’m getting is that there is no rational reason to want kids, but nature will ensure that once you do, you’ll be really happy about it (at least most of the time).
Or, as my mother puts it, nature designed it so that parents fiercely love their kids – because if they didn’t, they would murder them.
As Carman pointed out, this is a modern conundrum because in the past, humans didn’t need to desire children. They just needed to desire sex – the kids would come whether you wanted them or not. Now we have birth control and the ability to choose.
But for women like me who aren’t particularly attracted to children, this represents a real problem if the maternal instinct only kicks in after the fact.
One of the problems is that I am pathologically risk-averse. I am the polar opposite of the type of person who just assumes things will be okay. When I imagine having a child, I don’t picture a cute toddler. I picture a meth-addicted pregnant teenager. I imagine the worst-case scenario.
As far as the title of my post and kids “ruining” your life – I was inspired by the recent Salon piece written by the mother of the autistic son, who was hoarding sleeping pills in case she needed to kill herself. That piece really scared me.
Last, I will fully admit that I am an immature person. Of course, the problem with immaturity is that immature people don’t want to be immature.
I say that and after a humbling several years that make me question who I am or what I am about I will go to sleep and see my little girl smiling next to me while she goes to sleep, I will kiss her forehead and she will say, "I love you mommy" and that is what I need to go to sleep and do what I will need to do tomorrow.
Before I had kids a friend who had told me that if her husband was hit by a bus she would be sad but go on. She said if her kid was hit by a bus she would wish the bus would hit her too because she couldnto live without her kid.
I thought she was nuts.
Then I had my two daughters. They can effortlessly make my day, month, year, and just as effortlessly send me into doubt and fear I have never known.
1s and 10s. He was right.
Why have kids? hmmm....I can't give you a list of pros/cons and yeah, there are parts that suck (I have a Tween just now) but the visceral, emotional experiences of bonding with them -
holding an infant, nursing them, watching them take their first steps and first falls, smelling the baby smell, touching their little naked feet, seeing them learn to read, ask questions, etc. etc.
It is not a decision one makes using a rational plus/minus system.
I do think it should be a decision, and it is helpful to have a support structure in place, but I think it's one of those things you just know.
Fortunately for me, I love being an aunt! I have that genetic link to 6 other humans. I've had a hand in shaping the lives of 6 other people that I care tremendously about, and I know things about them that their parents don't know. I don't feel a huge loss at not having my own, but one always wonders how things would be different if we had made different choices in life.
I think you're trying to apply logic to something completely illogical. I could apply the same criteria to having a relationship and prove that because a guy may cheat on you and leave his dirty socks around that you should never enter into any relationship. After all, no one would ever willingly sign up for that either. At some point you just have to decide if the possible benefits outweigh the possible risks.
I applaud you for thinking seriously about this and for having the courage to write about it. I will also quote someone I work with who told me that "you never realize what true love is and how deeply you can love someone until you look into your child's eyes."
If you don't want kids, don't let people influence you otherwise.
Me? I chose to HAVE them and I have never ever regretted it one day of my life. I didn't lose much sleep either. My kids were good sleepers, good babies, calm. I was a calm mom. Loved the baby part, really got into it. The birth? It was what it was, even though I had an emergency C that was pretty rough with the first and so had to have a second C with the second. It was not all a bed of roses getting pregnant the second time, there were the usual childhood illnesses, some teenaged traumas, but my husband (at the time) and I lived the life we wanted, we traveled, we lived overseas, I wrote several novels, published stories, managed to have friends, raised my kids, and they are nice, good looking smart kids. I like them as well as love them and we are close and learning how to forge new relationships at each age they get to. Do we yell and scream? Sure. Do I get pissed? Yup. Do I get tired to driving my 16 year old girl around because she doesn't yet have her license? Yes. Would I have money money had I not had kids? Well, duh. But I chose to have kids and I knew what I was getting into and I adore them and wouldn't trade a second of it. In fact, I wish I had started younger and had been able to have more.
So do they ruin your life? Not mine. They made me a better person, a better writer, and added joy and beauty to every day. Plus they have made me laugh so many times I can't even count.
I do have 163 children though. And they are all teenagers! I am a first year teacher. And let me tell you sometimes the job is thankless. The students do not cooperate, the parents constantly demand answers or special treatment, and I have yet to meet a supportive administrator who lessens my burden rather than increases it. This has quite honestly been the most rough stressful year of my life. But it has also been one of the most rewarding. I have never been more certain about wanting to do anything in my life. I mean, great challenging tasks usually have the greatest rewards.
Each and everyone of them has wormed his/her way into my heart. I stay awake at night thinking about them, hoping they succeed in whatever their endeavor is, worrying about whatever hurt they may experience.
My students make me laugh as I have never before been able to laugh.
When a student comes up bursting to tell you something grand that has happened. Or comes in needing to confess something that is eating at them. I feel trusted in a way I never have before.
When they come up and say "thank you", or "that was amazing", or simply "I love this class" I feel appreciated and valued.
Or simply when their faces light up with understanding - I feel like I have been of service. That I served some purpose. That I did something worthwhile.
When parents come in and say "When my child talks about school they talk about your class." or "My kid is talking about majoring in physics. I've never seen him so excited about anything." I feel like I've been an inspiration to someone.
Do I resent them? Sometimes. Sometimes I know they don't know how much of my life I spend on them and they do wound me greatly. But they have also taught me patience and tolerance and quite honestly love in a way I have never experienced it. This usually comes from the child that gives you headaches. I've learned if there is a child I don't like - it just means I don't know them well enough. And so I go out of my way to learn about them and guess what? They always prove to be amazing individuals.
I learn more from them everyday then I ever learned going to school.
And watching them grow and mature because of my tutelage is really rather amazing too. Its quite enough to make me proud not only of myself, but more strongly pride in them and all that they've accomplished.
I imagine parenting is much the same only with more stress and more laughter and love. Parents truly are the ultimate mentor.
Personally, I've never been attaches to things or places. I love a break and vacation as much as the next person, but I've had just as much fun playing at home as going anywhere extravagant. What I love the most about life is the people that are in it. My family and my friends are my favorite things in this world. Forming close bonds with people is what I find the most satisfying. And I cannot imagine ever forming a closer bond than with a child that I get to spend years and years getting to know.
As far as the other comments, I hear a lot of people saying that it is a rewarding experience and perhaps they do know better than I about that. But I cannot submit to the claim that "[people who have had children] know both sides" more completely than I can know theirs. That is impossible. First because once you have had the child you cannot know what it would have been like if you didn't. (i.e. if you had not been in the hospital giving birth, you very likely could have been somewhere else where you would have had some equally life changing experience.) You know what you life was like simply before and after and nothing about what it would have been like if you had not chosen that path.
"life is a road with many paths to take, and every path is curved so that a traveler may not see where that path ceases."
If having children is a gamble which many comments (both for and against) have given credit to, let's examine the risks, picture this: You are in Las Vegas betting on roulette black or red ( good experience or bad one). Now the dealer asks if you are in or out. would you take the bet provided that the outcome of playing maybe: fantastic, "bestest" thing ever, great, good, ok, moderate, bad, worse, terrible "worstest". And don't forget that the outcome whatever it is is going to be will last at least 18 years (if all goes well). Would you take it? I wouldn't, but I am not the gambling type. It also seems relevant to mention that anyone who has a child, runs just as much risk of producing the next Stalin, Hitler, or Manson, as they do producing the next Mother Teresa, Ghandi, or maybe even (so I have heard stories of) dare I say Jesus.
But I digress. I think that the moral of my rant is that "to each [their] own." And really if you want kids and you know other people that don't share you enthusiasm, please don't ask us if we think we are missing something. A lot people who don't have kids, don't want them and have given it much thought, or they aren't ready to do it, or they can't. So if you are curious ask in this manner "do you think you ever will?", and leave it at that, if you are open to a good conversation we will tell you why we don't or can't. We might know (or at least think so,) what we are missing, and are glad for it.
I apologize, Kryptogal, if my comment seemed too prickly at all. I think what may have put me in a prickly frame of mind was the whole idea of "ruining" and the insinuations that you don't quite believe parents who say it is worthwhile are being honest with you. No one likes to be disbelieved like that, especially about something so central in one's life.
Anyhow, my life wasn't so perfect before I had kids, so what is there to "ruin" anyhow? I guess some people just have perfect lives that wouldn't do to be changed at all, but that sure wasn't me. I had (and have) a great relationship with my spouse, sure. I was at least moderately content with what I did during the days, and found interesting enough things to do at night. I had pets to play with, and enough money to spend on books and cds and movies for myself, and lunch out a couple times per week. It wasn't bad at all, but it wasn't so absolutely perfect that I was devestated to think that it might change a lot after a child entered the picture. I had problems, and while I never would have told you this at the time as I had no way of knowing, a lot of my problems were caused by things I had to shed when I became a parent: self-absorption, caring too much what "people think," being afraid to use my own moral judgement, to name just a few.
What does it mean to "ruin" a life? I have, in my lifetime, made some drastic errors and experienced some traumas, so I think I can discuss this with some credibility. I was acutely suicidal in my early 20s. If I had actually killed myself, that would have ruined my life for sure. I got in with a bad crowd shortly thereafter. If I had started using crystal meth when they did, that may have ruined my life. (Instead I evicted the bad apple roommate and lost all my "friends" in a week.) I did something unspeakably stupid in the name of "experimentation" around the same time, and for a long time thought my life *had* been ruined, but it turned out, it wasn't. I put the episode behind me, somehow, with a lot of embarrassment and dues I am paying to this day. I was abused as a child, and all but totally rejected by my family once I grew up. Still, my life hasn't been ruined.
In light of these kind of near-misses, the idea that these little squirts sitting in my living room playing with their toys and nibbling on snacks could have "ruined" anything seems kind of odd. They turned everything upside down, yes. I am such a radically different person than who I was 5 years ago, if 2004 me passed 2009 me on the street she'd probably sneer and shudder. I don't get out as much as I used to, I dress more conservatively, and I have a "daytime" playlist with no swear word lyrics on it, and I don't have as much sex. Sure. But it takes a lot more than that to "ruin" me!
The fear of change was massive, yes. As soon as I got the positive test with my first I was so gripped with fear I had made a mistake I cried for hours, could barely eat or sleep. But deep down I knew it was right. The week before she was due I cried and cried, thinking of all the things the husband and I used to do that we wouldn't be able to anymore, afraid that in losing the status quo I would lose him and lose myself. We're still here, and now his eyes look out from under my bangs on this strange and wonderful creature who is exactly like both of us and still completely different from both of us. She was born with a disability and had to stay in intensive care and that really drove home for me that she wasn't just something I wanted or someone I cared about, she was my life, my own heart, and that if she died, a part of me would never walk out of that hospital. When I was pregnant with her little sister, I used to cry myself to sleep every night fearing I was ruining her life by bringing this interloper into the picture. Now they love each other as fiercely as I love them, and seeing *that* relationship unfold is sure to be the greatest joy of my life.
I don't know what else to say. This can't be grasped reductively. It's poetry, and religion.
About six months ago, I blogged about how I transitioned from having all these questions you ask to actually having a kid here:
http://open.salon.com/blog/beta/2008/09/30/our_tortured_entrance_into_parenthood
Let’s face it kryptogal, life is sloppy. It doesn’t come in neat packages and never has. The highs and lows, the goods and bads, the successes and failures - that’s what life is made of for most of us. There are no guarantees. Your happiness in life-whatever that means- will not be found through having kids, or not having them.
One thing I’ve learned about my life is that when I filter everything through the lens of “me, me, me, me”, then I focus on how everything affects ME. It’s called self-centeredness. It’s a form of entitlement. When I’m able to understand (and accept) that the universe doesn’t revolve around me, then the questions are different. I think you are wondering how having a child will affect YOU, and it will. My experience with having kids has been all positive (and put that lie detector thing away k – it’s a synonym for judgment) in general terms, and yes, there have been moments when it wasn’t so much fun.
I don’t think you are really asking why people have children and are they glad about their choice because you’re not listening when they tell you. It seems as if you are seeking some comfort in your decision to not have kids. What about your parents? What do they say?
I wish you the best and am trying to not be snarky, but you are really focused on getting your needs met (see your list) and afraid that they won’t if you have a kid.
My suggestion. Don’t. Unless you can get over yourself first.
It's OK to say, "I don't want children. They are not for me".
Ignore the insinuations that being child-free is selfish. It's no more selfish than creating another human being out of thin air just because you want to have the amazing experience of parenthood (particularly when there are already so many unwanted children languishing in foster care).
But Kasienda- your comment blew me out of the water. Yes to all of that. My girls teach me about myself and about the world every day. And the bond we have is unique in all the world. No one will be what they are to me and no one will be what I am to them. What I love most in the world are the people in it and two of the people that I love most in the world are my children.
Does this mean you can't be happy if you don't have children? Absurd. Does this mean children ruin your life? Equally absurd.
The older I get the more I realize that life is what you make it. It's your life, no one should tell you how to live it. They will, but you don't have to listen. Make your own choices.
Ultimately, I will cast my vote for parenthood; but it's a long story. I have two children, ages 25 and 23 now, and I am very happy to be a father; and a Dad.
http://open.salon.com/blog/dynomyte/2009/03/31/the_answer_to_does_having_children_ruin_your_life
To clarify regarding my suspicion that parents don't tell the full truth: it's not that I think they're actively engaging in deception. It's more that the topic just doesn't get candidly discussed very often. At least, not in my social circles (I live in a conservative area and any questioning of parenthood is completely taboo).
I have heard people pick apart the details of the last episode of Lost or discuss the merits of different electric toothbrushes in more detail and with more analysis than parenthood is given. Where I live, motherhood as an aspiration is just presumed. But considering that parenthood is so lifechanging, you would think it would be analyzed to death (which it is -- but only *how* to parent, not *if* to parent).
Basically, I am thirsting for more information. Though, as many have pointed out, I may be barking up the wrong tree, looking for information, facts, and logical explanations. But the answer "you won't understand until you've done it" is so incredibly frustrating. Even if it's true.
@ beta - I went and read your post. A-year-ago-you does sound exactly like right-now-me. Intriguing post.
However, I’m still baffled by some parent behaviors. I know this isn’t universal, but I’ve seen so many of my friends lose their interest in the welfare of children in general once they had their own children. The friends who were advocates for affordable housing for poor mothers now don’t want “those people” in their neighborhood. The people who believed passionately in funding poor schools suddenly want their tax money to only go to their kids schools. I realize that’s not everyone – some parents care about all kids – but it’s an awful lot of parents that I know. I guess there’s an evolutionary need to only care about your own offspring.
I’m not good with kids – I tried volunteering with kids and that didn’t work well at all. I just alienated the children I was trying to help. But I do care about children, and as someone who doesn’t have kids of my own, I feel like I can do my part by helping children in general – by voting sometimes against my own interests if it helps children in need, by donating when I can, by advocating for kids who might not have a voice. I think of that when people say I’m selfish for being child free.
I disagree with the people who say, "If you don't think you want kids, don't have them!" If someone had said that to me, I would have missed out. Life is enhanced by our connections to other people. I don't have a lot of relatives or friends in my life. My kids provide wonderful company, I love their friends, I love the energy and freshness they bring to everything. It's not always easy. But then, relationships of any kind require perseverance, long-term loyalty, and--let's face it--work.
Someone above mentioned the humility that results from parenting. Maybe that isn't everyone's experience, but it sure is mine. My kids aren't "mine." They're their own universes, and I've just been allowed a good look into them. It's the closest I'll ever get to walking a mile in someone else's shoes.
Whatever you decide, I know you can find happiness in your choice.
Rated.
The reason to have kids is because you want to.
The upside to having a kid is the love you feel for your child. (This is very difficult to describe and that is why when you ask parents the answer is not very satisfactory. Most of us are not Shakespeare when it comes to describing love.) For the vast majority of parents that feeling of love happens.
The downsides are much easier to describe and make much funnier stories. Who doesn't love a good exploding poop story? The downsides are pretty much what you say but not all of them happen to everyone, and they don't happen all at the same time. Autism is rare. Down syndrome is rare. The things that do happen to everyone like diapers and lack of sleep do pass - they may take much longer than you'd like, but mostly they do pass.
Also what you think will be a problem might not be (I thought diapers would be a bad but they where okay) and things you think you will enjoy may not work for you (I thought I would enjoy baking with my daughter when she was small - not.) Your mileage may vary: while diapers were not a big problem for me anther mom I know was dealing with diapers in the 5th-6th year - that could be a problem. And no one can tell you ahead of time what exactly you will be dealing with - but that is life.
If you decide to have a kid - enjoy. If you decide not to have a kid - enjoy.
First of all, as befits Open Salon, your letter is almost identical to one we got to readermail@salon.com several years ago, that launched our series "Maybe Baby" which became a book of the same name. We used to get readermail (before we automated our Letters, and of course before we started Open Salon) that would start bigger staff debates than anything the editors could toss out into the crowd.
Some of us crowed about the joy of kids. Some of us said the LW was absolutely right, it was all terrifying propaganda. Even after we published a series and a book I don't think there is any right answer.
Except to answer personally: Nothing has been more important or fulfilling to me than raising my daughter. Nothing. And I love my job and my friends and my family. I grew up, in order to be a mother, in the sense of just shoving back at life's dumb demands and suddenly having priorities. I still feel that absolute stacking of what matters: I will keep her in college and I will answer her phone calls and give advice when asked (and sometimes when not).
It makes me feel tethered to the world, which I didn't, entirely, before. Plus, I love and enjoy her like crazy. Still, I can't say it feels that way for everyone, and so I don't push it. I just say: Open your heart, and don't think about how it looks so bad. Because you can't see the psychic, emotional and spiritual ways it feels so good, from outside.
I had children very early-much younger than I originally wanted to-I always thought that I would 'live my life' and have fun until I was 36 or so [seemed incredibly old to me at the time-what fun could anyone have after 40?], then adopt a child. After I had my first daughter I was incredibly, surprisingly happy- I honestly felt that I had 'missed her' w/o knowing it before she was born. Like I was just waiting for the truly fun time to begin once she arrived.
I still feel that way.
Here, you might enjoy this:
http://open.salon.com/blog/rickyb/2009/01/01/parenting_a_river_of_shit_flecked_with_joy
I feel like there's something missing in the "Yes, have a child when you have made that decision - perhaps with your partner." The fact that those ideal circumstances are not in any way reflective of pregnancies and births in the U.S. bugs me.
It's a tempting blog title - ruin your life! -and the thing is, ruin would be normal for many women and their partners dealing with unwanted pregnancies. Limited access to reproductive health services and birth control contribute to underserved people and communities having greater issues about standards of living - supporting a family, expanding a home.
I love this blog, and the premise - but I have to say: The conceit of (us) asking and considering the question is astounding
I guess I have some more creative ways to ruin my life tucked up my sleeve.
Now more specifically, my favorite stage of childhood is babyhood and toddlers for lots of reasons. My next favorite is young childhood. My least favorite is the teenaged years! Even if you have the best teenagers, there is still more worry than at any other stage because of peer pressure, dating and most of all the driving. I also discovered that you don't stop worrying about them after they've grown and leave home. In some ways, you worry more.
As far as "aging" you....I believe that babies and young children keep you younger, not only because of the sweet and refreshing things they do and say, but because of the physical aspect of raising children. They keep you active and moving! In my opinion though, I think teenagers can age you terribly because of the worry and challenges. By the way, I have six children ages 9 to 25 and I gave birth to all of them!
Each person commenting is telling you what is valid for them and may not be the same for you. I could tell you my experience with being a mother and it would have little to do with you.
As far as why people have children, I don't think it is something that can be completely answered with a logical, intellectual reason. It's an urge, a desire, a feeling. If you don't feel it, don't do it.
As for all of those who swear up and down that parenthood has made them more unselfish and generous than their childless, "empty" peers--stop. Just frickin' stop. You folks do not raise your kids alone, as much as you seem to think so. There are a lot of childless/unmarried people who put in time and effort to help your children--would you say _those_ people were selfish and empty? And there are a lot of us out here who are helping our elderly parents or are putting time into charitable work or doing things to make life better for everyone (work that too many childed folk are the first to say they "don't have time for, 'cause of the kids") We like doing these things and are better at them than we ever would be as parents. Are we selfish and empty? Or is that something you all like to tell yourself so you can feel superior? Just because you raise kids doesn't make you a saint or an ever-overflowing fount of wisdom and generosity.
As for being unhappy, I think this comes from the overwhelming sense of responsibility that comes with being a parent. My daughter's existence depended on me, and her life now still does. That can create strains and pressures in even a good marriage. Any problems in a marriage will be magnified--not necessarily because of the children, but because of the way good and bad that we each deal with stress and pressures of that responsibility.
There isn't a formula or equation to come up with the right answer when thinking about children. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut.
Hang around the children's section of your local public library, read the books, talk to the kids and see what you think.
It was hell at first, and intermittent hell for a long time after that. My husband and I cried, we clung to each other in misery, we fought, we almost split up, and through it all our little one blithely went on his merry way cooing, squirming, crawling, walking, running, putting everything in his mouth, pulling things off of shelves and walls and wailing his head off if he was restrained. Everything had to be choreographed, including showers, laundry, shopping, going to the bathroom (especially in public, where he early on learned how to unlock the doors to the stalls), getting dressed--everything. There was no down time. I am an academic who needs lots of peace and quiet and down time. My husband is an extreme introvert. We thought we were going to die.
People reassured us that it would get better, and over time, it did. Now we have a hyper-active 8-year-old and I love him more than anything in the world. In the morning we wrestle and tickle each other for half an hour before going up. He attacks me with pillows, jumps on my shoulders, licks my nose, makes raspberries on my ear, and crows in triumph. He tells me all about the Star Wars Clone Wars saga, builds enormous Lego contraptions, bits and pieces of which are strewn all over the house. I am a peaceable sort, but he plays with Nerf guns that shoot little foam darts everywhere. He builds forts in the living room out of chairs, pillows, the couch, and blankets. He climbs up in my lap when I'm trying to read my morning paper and drink my coffee, and kisses me on the face, his eyes dancing with mischief.
I remember when we were planning the adoption, my parent friends would say that no one can possibly know what it's like without going through it. That annoyed me because, as an academic, I'm used to the idea that by doing lots of research I can learn what I need to know about something. But they were right. I would never, never undo this crazy decision, taken in midlife. I don't particularly enjoy cub scout meetings at the age of 55, but I do it gladly.
As for my husband: he's less bonded with our son than I am. Part of it has to do with his personality, which doesn't take too well to the kinds of activities I'm describing. It's a source of regret for me, but not a tragedy. We are not a perfect family, but we do our best. That's all anyone can hope for in this world.
When I was single, I definitely cared for myself much better. I worked out, had a life-balance thing going on, was healthier and looked better than I do now, overworked with two small children and one on the way. My marriage has changed with the introduction of parenting. I am exhausted.
I would sometimes like a break-- actually, the grandparents frequently offer to take the kids overnight so my husband and I can get some romantic time alone but you know what? I wouldn't mind a weekend retreat all to myself without my husband. I love him, but I used to love having time to myself to follow my whims and I miss that.
But I did all of that for a long time before marriage and kids and I wouldn't trade my family life for anything. When I was single, I took very good care of myself but felt that something was missing and now I don't feel like anything is missing.
When you want to have kids, you love them and that love motivates you to sacrifice your own needs and wants. You can't fully explain it to another person unless they have also been there.
I hope that I will raise my children to be functional and productive adults who are mostly happy. I hope they won't resent & blame me too much when life disappoints them. I hope that one day I will have done my job raising them, their needs won't be so physical and constant and I will get back some solitude.
If the idea of parenting doesn't appeal to you, you will probably be unhappy as a parent.
For some people, an all consuming task and sacrifice is the essence of happiness. So even if they don't seem happy, because they are worried and stressed, actually they are happy because they are putting their energies into a project that motivates and consumes them, and losing track of their self-consciousness in the process.
When my babies were born, I couldn't believe how much I loved them. I loved nursing them, which beforehand had been repulsive to me. I loved playing with them. I loved caring for them. They kept me incredibly busy, and exhausted, but it was a good exhausted. There were times, when both were crying for no apparent reason that I realized that I couldn't send them back. But those times were fewer than the times I adored them.
For the difficult times, even with various mental problems with me and my spouse and my children, the amount you put into it can yield miraculous results. There are parents who don't put that much into it, especially with both working and a lot of day care, and they still get good kids. There are parents who are negative and abusive with their kids if that is all they know....my daughter has their kids in her psych ward. She's trying to keep them from becoming serial killers.
So, it's up to you. As you said, it's okay either way. I was not a "I love babies"-type, but I discovered after I had my own, that I LOVE babies. They are soft and they have tiny hands, and they are unconditionally loving, and they are little mirrors for everything you like about yourself and everything you hate about yourself. If you hate yourself unconditionally...don't have babies.
If you like yourself a lot, you will probably like your babies, too. But you do have to give up a lot and put them first for a lot of years.
I don't recommend being a single mom if you have a choice. One baby is doable with two people to care for it.
Whether or not you have / adopt a child, get married, take in several pets at once or decide to hike across the Antarctic, here's my thought of the day for you:
Don't deconstruct. Experience.
Basically a lot of your criticisms are boiling down 18 yrs of the downside into one soup.
1. Lack of sleeping in--only occurs from birth until they can make their own breakfast (6 or 7, depending on the child). After that, it's not a problem. In fact, the opposite becomes true as children reach teen years.
2. Romance changes, but then again, that happens in ALL monogamous relationships. It's called habituation.
3. I was indifferent to babies, until my wife and I had one. The same occurs with kids. Also, kids become teens and adults.
However, that said, if you don't want kids, don't have them. Just try not to get romantically involved with someone who does want kids. You sound a little selfish and immature for 31, and it might be better for you not to have kids.
I am a new mother (my DD is 6 months old) and I also had many of your concerns about having a child. Pregnancy was uncomforable, birth was painful, and the financial pressure/responsibility is enormous. Right now the sleep situation is less than optimal but is improving. My relationship with my husband has changed, but in a positive way--our connection now is deeper and more intimiate. I see the best parts of him in our DD. However, nothing in the world is like hearing your child laugh or seeing your child smile.
I also think there is a tremendous difference between those parents who planned for children and those who "accidentially" found themselves with children. In my experience, those parents who planned for children were more ready to make the scarifices and lifestyle adjustments necessary, and more likely to appear "happy". Some "accidental" parents may resent the changes that a child will inevitably bring.
Being a parent is hard work and is the hardest thing I have ever done. It is not wrong to recognize that having children is not in your heart and to make the affirmative decision to not have children.
You ask, "Why have kids when it looks so bad?" You're only seeing the easy-to-see things, not the joy on the inside. I see people walking their dogs and picking up the poo afterward; should I conclude that dog ownership is just a hassle and a bummer?
There are three events in my life that stand out as supreme, unparalleled joy -- my wedding, the birth of my first child, and the birth of my second child. All three are deep commitments to love. My husband and I were together for 12 years before we chose to have a baby. Our lives are very different now... but appropriately so, as I believe becoming a parent encourages (forces?) you to grow, mature, and respect the nature of responsibility in your life. I absolutely wouldn't change a thing, and only wish our finances would allow another child.
I should add this: if you choose to have children, please throw your whole heart and mind into it. Accept and love your responsibility to this new human. The more you put into it, the greater are the rewards.
I also agree that it is not for everyone. I've known many who are very happy with their choice to be childless and also many who have regrets. Being a parent does change your life so much that no one should even consider doing it unless they really want to.
Having children didn't ruin my life, it made my life. After my son was born 10 years ago, more than one of my childless friends commented that they couldn't believe the change in me, how much happier and more relaxed and self-confident I seemed. ( So I don't think my pals found me to be less fun afterward, like in your post.)
I don't want to make this too long, but in a nutshell, before I had my son, I had an anxiety disorder, so many opportunities that I was confused and directionless, and a once happy marriage that was growing distant.
My husband and I decided to try to get pregnant five years into our marriage, partially because we felt like we were just sitting on the fence in life, afraid to make any decisions about what to do next. We were afraid to make any choices that we couldn't take back, and were falling into a kind of stagnant run in our late twenties. It took us a year, and a soon as I got pregnant we proceeded to panic that we'd made the wrong decision.
But then he was born, and like all the previous posters, yes there was the falling in love with our son and the joys that are hard to explain to non-parents. Previously we were artsy cynics who had lived in the East Village among the club goers and heroin addicts, we found that having our son cleaned us of our cynicism and brought more creativity into our lives.
For me, I found that caring about something outside of myself was exactly what I needed to become a more balanced, better functioning adult. Cleaning, cooking, working at all of life's necessary tasks was a tiresome drag that I resisted before I had my child. Afterwards, I began to see each task for the act of love it truly is.
Further, I finally started taking better care of myself also, because I wanted to be a good example for my child of a whole human being.
Therefore I not only changed my daily habits--nutrition, exercise, sleep, moderating my alcohol use, but I finally was able to focus on my artistic desires and career as well. For whatever reason, I wasn't able to do this just for myself.
I'm not lying when I say I simply genuinely am enjoying helping my ten-year old grow and develop. I love it so much, that I've endured five miscarriages and two failed adoptions to raise another newborn right now at the age of 42.
Of course, maybe childless people don't need to raise children to be complete the way I did. Everybody's different!
Take the most profound love experience you've ever had and multiply it by about 100. That's how you feel about your children. Oh, sometimes you hate the situation you're in ... because it's really, really, hard. I've often said it's both the best thing that ever happened to me and the worst. But it's worth every second because of this deep, uncontrollable, unbounding love. The type that is truly, in so many cases, blind. The type where you would, without question, give up your life for someone else.
I've heard it's a hormone related physiological phenomenon. Something about oxytocin, I believe. So unless something goes horribly wrong, most people experience this.
I just think it's so sad that people make decisions not to have children when they don't know what this will be like. Or, apparently, that it will even happen (thank you very much, Stratified Society). It's sort of like deciding not to have sex because it seems so messy ... when you've never had an orgasm. Have you ever tried to describe an orgasm? Okay, so that's why you don't understand parental love ... it's literally indescribable.
I know that in some cases people aren't cut out to be parents. If you're all into yourself, maybe it's not a good idea. But this is a life-altering experience with immediate results ... few people are unchanged after they experience it ... so there's a big chance that it will change the way you look at almost everything. You hold that baby in your hands in the hospital, this love overcomes you, and all of a sudden you GET ... in a more real way than you ever have .. why the environment, for example, is important ... because even after you're gone, this person you love beyond love will still be here.
So I think it's sad when people deny themselves this. Also, if more of us are invested in the future of the world, isn't that better for all of us????
All those women who obsessively want kids are usually the ones who write those essays that start with "nobody ever told me it was going to be this hard." All those fathers who choose their spouses on their baby making potential, who would want that kind of father?
When I was debating whether or not to continue my pregnancy I sat down an read Anne Lamott's Operating Instructions, her journal about the first year of single motherhood with a colicky pain in the ass baby. Read that. It might help.
Now that we're into it and the girls are getting a bit older (6 & 4), I can honestly say that it's been the right thing for us. We've been incredibly fortunate, in that we had to go the IVF route (test-tube babies!), but were lucky to have had it work 2 out of 3 times. And the girls are beautiful, smart, and caring (credit to my wife - a "career woman" who changed course and wanted to stay home for a few years to get the girls off to a good start). The older they get, the better this deal has turned out for me. They're turning into real people and they seem like they'll be good people for their lives. I give my wife more credit for this than I do myself, but I know I had a hand in it and it makes me proud. I can hope and dream about the two of them growing up and doing fantastic things with their lives... and maybe creating more good people in the process.
No doubt there are sacrifices to be made for the sake of the kids... but these almost always pale in comparison to the joy and happiness of seeing the girls smile and laugh. Sounds corny, I know... but there's truth in there too!
Anyway... that's my two cents-worth. Now I'm off to read what others have written.
Good luck!
My, aren't there a lot of comments here? And they seem to be running better than 90:10 in favor of "I didn't know what having kids would be like but now I'm so glad I did." Don't get me wrong, I would NEVER suggest that someone should have children if they don't want them. But, speaking for myself, I was so sure when I was younger that I didn't want children, and now I know that my life would have been so much less satisfying if I had not had my daughter, that I can't help but say ... We only get just this one life this time around, and choosing to forego an experience that is such a fundamental part of being human is not a decision that should be made lightly. So I hope you are listening to everyone, not just the people who told you that you should have a child so you can become immortal, create a mini-me, or circumvent the demise of the social security system. (Those comments are so silly I'm wondering if it your single, childless friends who told you that.)
This won't sound nice, but I suspect that many of the people in the minority who are saying "I wish I hadn't had kids" are the ones who clung to their old lives and refused to accept the new lives their kids had to offer. But the truth of the matter is, their former lives would have been "ruined" anyway -- by age, or poverty, or riches, or the election of a Republican president ;-), or whatever other changes came to them as time went by. Nothing stays the same; we wake up to a new life every day. It's possible those people would have been just as dissatisfied with their new lives if it had been something other than children that ruined their old lives. There's no way to know.
As for me, I am so grateful to my daughter for coming along and growing me up. I know it wasn't an easy task.
I think, at heart, most people ARE liars--parents and non-parents equaly--so it doesn't surprise me that you find parents to be liars since that is where your focus is. I don't think debate over that is relevant to the subject of parenthood, really.
Society puts tremendous pressure on women to marry and have babies--even in the more progressive circles. It's easy for the childless to feel defensive about their circumstance. For that, I sympathize. But be careful about using that fact as an excuse to dump on parents. We didn't create this world and are working with circumstances also. For some of us--many of whom comment here--parenthood was the correct decision. You will just have to take our word for it.
Now, go take your unattached self to some quiet spot and enjoy the solitude--that is nearly the only thing I miss about being single.
I am not sure I can answer with objectivity. I can tell you I absolutely adore the 11 year old daughter. She is my silver lining in so many ways.
Sometimes it is extremely scary. One night that same son, years later when he was 18 called in the middle of the night. I answered, I hate middle of the night calls, they are never good, a small voice whispers to me, Mom, I don't know where I am. "What?" "WHAT".. blah, blah blah, I found him, my husband drove the 70 miles to where he was to pick him up. So it is both scary and funny, good and bad. But that is the way life is, with or without kids.
I'm 47 and childfree, partly because I knew I wasn't up to the workload of being a single mother and that was the only option I had. Even so, I never felt a strong urge to reproduce myself and I can think of enough reasons not to that if I really wanted to be a mother, I would have gone the adoption route.
It's not that I dislike kids. I love my nieces and nephews and godchildren -- I'm a terrific aunt and godmother, actually. And I wouldn't rule out involvement with a man who had kids.
I think it's great that so many responders to this blog are really glad that they became parents. But if you don't feel that parenting is for you, it doesn't mean that your life is empty or meaningless. It just means that parenting is not going to be what fills it or gives it meaning. Consider the lives of some famous childless women: Julia Child, Elizabeth I, Frida Kahlo, Jane Austen, Dolly Parton, Mary Cassatt, Oprah Winfrey, Mother Teresa, Helen Keller, Katharine Hepburn...well, you get the idea. Were these lives empty or meaningless?
If you don't want to mother a child, what *do* you care enough about to give so much of yourself? A good cause? Helping others? Artistic works?
We're having this conversation partly because of Social Security. If people still had to rely in large part on their children to support them in their old age, we wouldn't have so many people dithering about it. Children have become luxury items -- expensive luxury items. And yet -- childless people owe us childbearers a vote of thanks for providing the next generation who will be changing your Depends in the nursing home. :)
Seriously... perhaps you people who don't have kids should pay a little more into Social Security. Because someone has to pay all those expenses to raise those future earners who will be paying your Social Security benefits when you retire.
It is the most challenging thing I have ever done, and provided me with some of my favorite moments, as well as some of those places where I still need a brain scrub. Now that my daughter is an adult, I shake my head in knowing sympathy for all the young mothers around me who have so many stages ahead of them, because I know what they don't know. It will be hard, expensive and tiring, and most notably thankless. It's also hilarious, touching, enlightening and mind blowing. Listen to your own instincts, and do what you feel is in your best interest. As for me, I am glad I brought my daughter into the world, and it's a better place because of her. Holding your own child, smelling their freshly shampooed hair as you carry that sleepy little lump to bed, while they pat you gently on the back....well, what can I say?
There is another thing that I see little mentioned here. Children are very specific individuals from birth. They are not clones of the parents; they come with a temperament and certain potentials of their own. This means just for starters, there are happy "easy" babies and babies who cry all the time. The wide variations possible make the whole experience unpredictible and not subject to your control.
I'll repeat from my previous comment - Don't have a child unless you feel compelled to do so.
On top of that there are endless chores. You will find yourself making their lunches, bathing them and when they get a fever that wracks their body, you will hold them and rock them unto the wee hours until your arms feel like rubber and you are exhausted beyond belief. Sound good so far? Because honestly the one thing that it teaches you above and beyond all others is that you have the capacity to love and care for someone that goes far beyond anything you knew you were capable of and that brings a kind of solace to you that somehow makes sense and finally puts into perspective all of the confusion and striving of your early years. Is it fun? I wouldn't characterize it as that. And it certainly isn't glamorous. It's sometimes drab. But I can tell you this; children take their place in this world and interrupt the fabric and weave of your life. They are little hurricanes. They are little natural disasters. They are events as much as they are people and they either grown up to be happy, curious self-motivated adults or needy, unsure sociopaths and sometimes they grow up to be Glenn Beck or George Bush in which case they are large disasters creating wreckage in their wake. My own little disaster is waiting for me at home, ready to show me the picture she drew today and tell me what some girl said to her during recess and to ask if I will take her to the park and/or buy her some ice cream. I can hardly wait.
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/why-does-anyone-have-children/#comments
It discusses research showing that happiness and life satisfaction is no different between child-less couples and couples with children, and in fact, the it is slightly lower for the latter. Despite that apparent fact, the vast majority of comments here have been in favor of having kids (and I suspect they will run the same way on the NYT blog).
The basic idea seems to be that while you might sacrifice a bit of personal "happiness", you gain what people have repeatedly described as "meaning."
I don't technically have a child yet (though I do have a fetus that is pretty far along at this point, so there's not really any going back). But you asked why anyone would want one, so here's my answer:
I really enjoy being a part of my awesome family. I like what CindyRoss said: "Life is enhanced by our connections to other people." The more meaningful social connections people have, the happier they are. I've got great parents, great sisters, great friends, and a great husband. I'd like to have children so I can add even more wonderful, meaningful relationships to my life. Nieces/nephews/cousins/pupils are nice, but you just can't have the same bond with them as with someone you birthed and raised.
I definitely have doubts and fears about losing all the 'fun' from my life - it's already happened to a large degree, pregnancy sucks and is much more incapacitating than I had expected - but life has stages. I had a fun-young-single-in-the-city stage, but I've BTDT and don't need to do it forever. I expect the coming stages to be enjoyable too, though in other ways.
Actually I think I would feel pretty empty and depressed if I were trying to hitchhike through Europe or clubbing till 6 AM at 35 or 40. Everyone else would be younger and looking at me funny, my friends would be busy with their own families. I would feel old and out of place. I would rather try to accept the different joys that come with new phases of life, rather than clinging to the old ones out of doubt and fear.
I wouldn't presume to try to convince or coax even one of my closest friends, male or female, into having or not having children, much less a total stranger. When I was young and arrogant I didn't think that way, but now I know better. Personal decisions are personal decisions and the only person who could possibly give you any practical advice is a doctor who could tell you if you were physically fit enough to bear children, and that's about it.
I would answer specific questions, but even then I would have to qualify it with that old standby "Your results may differ" used by infomercials everywhere, i.e. I can say that labor wasn't bad at all, knowing darn well that is not the case for many.
Yes, I can relate my own experience raising two children, except that there is no guarantee that my experience will be anywhere near your experience. Maybe somewhere there is an eight-hundred point checklist that would help you make a decision, but you'll have to do that research yourself.
As for child birth - they are right. There is love for your parents, siblings, friends, spouses, God. Love for your cat, your dog and maybe even stuff. And you already know what all of those feel like. Some are greater, some are deeper, some are richer, some are fuller. But there is another kind of love that you ,at 31, have not yet experienced and in fact at this moment in time are totally unaware of it's existence and you can not comprehend the richness, the depth, the fullness and the greatness until the moment you hold your child in your arms. Nothing and no one will ever be able to dampen, darken or steal that consistent depth of emotion you feel for your child. It is unconditional. You didn't ask it to be, didn't plan it that way, it just is. It's a leaping of joy from your heart that cannot be made to stand still and you have no desire to quiet it's dancing.
The many personalities of babes - you could have a baby who has colic until he is 6 months old and you will go out of your mind - not because the noise is driving you crazy, but because the one you love so deeply is in serious pain and you are unable to help him at all. That baby may end up with reflux and barf all over you, your clothes, your furniture, rugs, but water cleanses, ya know. He reaches 2 and you are braced for the terrible 2 but they never show. He adores you. He brings you flowers all summer long. He kisses you on the lips, shameless and innocent, He pats your back and comforts you when you are blue, after he is better from his vomiting virus and you have come down with it, he remembers how tenderly you took care of him and holds your hair while it's your turn to puke. He thinks you are the greatest person on earth and brags to his friends about you. He bakes you a cake in the easy bake oven when everyone else forgot your birthday. He grows into a handsome, respectful, sensitive young man and he talks to you for hours at night when he is feeling thoughtful. He shares his hopes and dreams with you as well as his heart breaks.
This is the picture of my oldest child whom I raised alone until he was 6. He is now 15 and my world would crumble if he were not in it. I have 2 other children with very different personalities with no less adorable traits and the recipients of my undying love, but I don't want to hi-jack your blog anymore than I already have with this long comment.
I have two daughters. One, a bipolar 20-year-old who causes me endless grief and anxiety and stress, the other, 17, an honors student athlete who is a joy. Would I do it over again? Yes.
Too late to expand now. But if you aren't ready to work harder, be under more stress, spend most of your money on others and not get laid as much as you would like, then don't have kids. It is hard.
You can be handed a gifted child with bipolar disorder who one minute paints you a picture and screams at you the next (that was me as a kid, sorry mom). You can have a child with severe issues from birth or ones that surface with time, such as autism. The metaphor for this is playing a lottery, really. When we choose to be parents (whatever the method, because this goes for adoption as well as birthing) we are saying we can handle the results, that we are going to be up for the task of raising this stranger.
I didn't choose to become pregnant. I was 16 and contraception failed me. It happens. But I chose to keep my child, despite critics on all sides pushing their agendas. I was horrified by what was happening within my body. I had dreams of the monster consuming me from the inside out. It was a distinctly frightening ordeal, not helped by an unsupportive boyfriend. My parents rallied around me eventually, though, and I saw at the cusp of my beginning as an adult that my parents were still raising me. They dealt with feelings of having failed me (I never thought they had) and their own issues with unwed motherhood, but they were there for me, just hoping to help me grow up and start the process of raising my own child.
That little child is now seven, and one of those rare, sparkling, witty kids that seem to populate movies or children's lit. But I made decisions in my life that I thought would benefit her and called them sacrifices, which did neither of us any good. As she's grown I've realized that being happy is good for her, too, because if I'm a shell I cannot be a mother.
What does this have to do with the truth about parenting? Well, A) it's not easy, and you will have times when you long to escape and B) you're more likely to be blessed with a kid who isn't you at all, who surprises you every day, who is a person and has her own way of experiencing life.
I've envied my still single and childless friend a few times, with her world traveling and her freedom, but she envies me with my family and earth mama life. But if you envy no one, if you sleep late on Sundays before heading to brunch, you can have your child-free life.
Or you can let your kid stay up late Saturday night and both of you can sleep in.
And p.s. Sex doesn't have to stop post-kids. It's all about perspective and situation. If you make an effort to get together, you will. If you adjust expectations, you'll be happy.
I know a couple, honestly, very much in love after 23 years of marriage. They have two children. I have had the good fortune to know them over the years and they are, in my opinion, good people. Their kids are grown up and as well adjusted as any of us can be. ;)
I asked them both if they would be more crushed if their children or their lover died. Neither of them said that they would be *more* upset if it was their children, or that they loved their children less. The lady member of the couple simply said she couldn't make that choice, but that she was going to live the rest of her life with her husband while her children had moved away. She said that knowing your life mate is different than anything and... (sound familiar?) that people who haven't met their soul mate/life mate just don't understand something that people who HAVE met their life mate have. She gave examples of old couples dying within months of each other and I had to think... I know of two such older couples, myself. Lived together until they day they died alone, at home, together, while their children had long moved on.
The guy actually looked at me and laughed and said, "Man, I love my kids - but I couldn't ever replace my wife. I could always make more kids."
Take it for what you will. Love is love is love, some people find the purest love in a solitary life and love of God, or their concept of God. Some people find it in taking care of blood family. Some find it in their spouse. Some find it in loving the world, and humanitarian works.
The point is, try to find love. That's a good thing. And don't look down at other folks' way of finding love - that's just small minded.
As Typo noted in a previous post, everyone has a different idea of what "meaning" is. Would Jane Austin's life had had more "meaning" if she had had children--and most likely never written the books that bring so much joy and wisdom to many? Is Rachel Carson's pioneering environmental work "meaningless" because she never married and didn't have kids (Although she _did_ wind up adopting an orphaned nephew and caring for her aging mother. That was stressful enough for her, and it's something it's unlikely she could have easily done with having a husband and kids.) ? Too many parents posting here automatically assume that being single/childless means empty, embarrassing lives of "hitchhike[ing] through Europe or clubbing till 6 AM at 35 or 40." In short, kryptogal, figure out what gives your life meaning and go for it. If the parent-and-child "Script" isn't for you, then that's not your meaning. And children are too important to throw the dice on the "maybe I'll love 'em as soon as I see them" gamble. They should be wanted from the start.
Well, by implication, you are saying that if a person doesn't have children, they will not be as focused and giving as they could be, correct? And it's not just you saying this--the majority of parent posters on here claim over and over that "having kids makes you a more giving person" nonsense. I'm sorry, but I've seen a fair amount of parents who use their kids as an excuse to be selfish--as an excuse to "not have time" to do charitable work, or pitch in to help aging parents or other family members. And I've seen childfree people who will go the extra mile to help others--who will take in kids whose parents are poor parents, or who will be there in a family crisis and help advert it. So, please, just stop with the "having kids makes you a better person" crap, because by saying so, you are saying that a person without kids is lacking.
I have no interest in suggesting why you should or shouldn't have kids. What I am interested in is your stance so I will relay my own experience since your post resonates with me.
Many folks on this marble are not designed for the mundane social prescription of marriage and parenthood.
I know I'm not.
The repetition and lack of diversity at times is crushing. The mind tends to get wrapped up in a morass of circuitous activities that make up the family experience. I work daily to break patterns with little effect.
On occasion I find myself so caged that I would give anything for a time machine to traverse into the past to adjust old decisions to more closely reflect my deep desire for tranquility and free intellectual pursuit in the present.
But then I look at my children. They are beautiful in so many ways and provide much meaning to my life. My kids are so in love with me that I actually find the responsibility jarring.
I am a walking contrast at times held captive by the bizarre wonder of child-rearing while aching to break free and just go fucking party on the top of a jade mountain piled high with ancient civilizations and beautiful consenting females.
I won't go into the parental politics of child-rearing or the seeming invisibility of critical thought within the parent-ranks. Just rest assured, the mainstreaming effect is powerful within the realms of parenthood.
Thank you for your courage to just write what your heart feels. I can sense your genuine sincerity and intellectual honesty and I just eat this kind of shit up.
I don't really understand your agenda here. Are you wanting me to deny that having children changed me for the better in any way? (Doesn't every experience have the potential to do that?) Or are you wanting me to claim that only having children can accomplish that so that you can dismiss everything I say? I, like others who have posted here, have simply been answering the question posed by kryptogal, and in my case, having children hasn't ruined my life but rather enriched it. That experience exists wholly on its own; it doesn't need to be freighted with against those whose experiences and choices are different.
I know some people will think this sounds superior, but I actually am kind of horrified at some of what I observe in people who do have kids. Not everyone, but a lot of people. I feel like total devotion to kids means a loss of self. I feel judgmental about women who stay home to raise kids, and respect for women who continue to have a career after they have babies. I see teenagers acting like ignorant, spoiled, functionally illiterate monsters and I cringe. I see parents giving their kids everything they want out of a sense of guilt, and basically making them into intolerable people.
You also do not know what you're going to get. I have a mom and an aunt who each had 2 kids... For each of them, one kid (the boy in both cases) turned out to be a major disappointment. In one case we have serious drug addiction that has gone on now for 20 years. In another case we have severe learning disabilities, poor hygiene, emotional immaturity, and an inability to live independently. Both of these women are damn glad they have two kids, and basically pin everything on the kid that is "fine."
My dad has come out and made comments indicating my brother is a disappointment. Neither of my parents can relate to him... They feel guilty that they don't want to hang out with him. They have to make a strong effort to converse with him about the things that interest him, and I know it's painful. They've always been embarrassed about his weight, his hygiene, the way he acts in public. And I'm sure a lot of you can appreciate how this kind of thing affects the "normal" sibling. I guess my point is, you could easily end up with a kid like that, who causes you endless frustration and embarrassment, and have to care for him way longer than you would have wanted to. He's not going to care for you, because he can't. Sure, you'll love him, sure, you won't wish he didn't exist, but if he's your only kid are you going to be happy about that? And yes, educated, intelligent, sensitive people can and do have children like that.
Anyway, I never have been, and probably never will be, able to make the decision myself. I feel like, if it happens, it will happen for a reason, but I cannot consciously decide to have a child. I bet I would be a good parent, and I bet I would love the kid and do the right thing by him or her, but I just don't feel much pull or instinct to make it happen, and I'm fascinated that some people do.
In my opinion, your OLD life is ruined. Done. Kaput. F**ked. You will never be childfree again. You're through.
It is a process of growth and change. You shed your skin and are forced to realize that there is someone else besides yourself you are responsible for on a primal level.
Your base needs become secondary; the baby's sleep supercedes yours, their eating likewise. Their existence, that new life, becomes more vital than your own.
At the same time, the "meaning" you mention deepens to a level I never suspected existed. My world has expanded, rather than contracted, as my role changed to that of "Dad", and as time passes, I treasure that role completely.
The NEW role of parent is far greater, in my opinion, than the one I had previously....but it does involve sacrificing large parts of the old one. No more spontaneous road trips for a while, let alone spontaneous sex. It changes things.
If you don't want kids, go with that. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Only you can make that choice.
I hope this comment provides some insight others haven't covered as yet.
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It's opinion, of course. What else is there? It's the same as child-free folks saying "my life is so much richer/better/less complicated/more carefree" without children.
The only difference is that those who have children later in life have a point of comparison between their child-free existence and after children came into the picture. Thus, their opinions have some basis in fact.
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"Too many parents posting here automatically assume that being single/childless means empty, embarrassing lives of "hitchhike[ing] through Europe or clubbing till 6 AM at 35 or 40.""
That's my quote, but I don't assume that. Actually I said nothing about children giving life 'meaning.' Meaning is where you find it or assign it.
I was answering the OP's question (she asked why anyone would want kids, remember?) from my own perspective and experience, and speaking to her fear that her life would be radically changed by children. My answer is that I know my life will change, but I embrace that. I feel MY life would be poorer if I never had children. That doesn't mean I assume everyone else would feel "empty and embarrassed" without them.
As I said right up above, people should do whatever they want. I don't give a flying fig whether anyone else wants to procreate, except to feel thankful (for Malthusian reasons) that not everyone does want to.
It's okay. You're normal.
And we need more childless people on this planet ASAP.
Nonetheless, the moment I watched each of my three children being born remains the best moment of my life.
And maybe in the long run, Janice Joplin/Chris Cristofferson were right.
Freedom's just another word,
for nothing left to lose.
It is not that hard, just different, and like the rest of life, full of joy and pain and sorrow mixed together.
My sister is much younger than me and I helped raise her. Raising kids is a tiring and selfless endeavor, or at least should be, and there are exceptions to this. Those who have kids because they want them enjoy the experience, those who just have them because they're stuck don't. Kids are also disgusting - the only worse thing I think are cats with bad hygiene. They puke in your bed, they write on the wall with feces, they break things and then lie about it...The weird thing though is that a child means something to the person who they belong to that is indescribable. Anyone who has had any major part in the development of a young child knows that feeling - the one of wonder at how something so fragile can become what we are (adults), that the mind is forming and learning and the sense of awe in every new thing - I'd compare it to having a very smart puppy that can talk but it's even more than that - somehow.
Reproducing is an evolutionary mechanism, it's something our species has to do, we're driven to it and have to actively fight it to not reproduce (contraception, etc). There are exceptions, of course, particularly with the population-boom minded and the lack of a need for everyone to reproduce to sustain the species, but for most it's still against the norm to not reproduce. Those who have not experienced having a child really can't fathom what it's like - babysitting for extended periods of time or being a nanny can come close - but there's a dependent life focused on your every move and entirely open to being molded by you. I can understand what parents mean by it being life-changing and meaning it positively.
I still don't think it's for me though - but I don't begrudge anyone else their choices. In the end, we shouldn't have to explain ourselves. Kids don't ruin your life, they just change it - it's like comparing apples and bananas. But you have to want that change for it to be a good thing.
This was posted by Semper Fi Guy:
I wish every day that I made different choices in my life. When I was young I would never have guessed that I would be a husband to a moo moo wearing stay at home Mom and father of 3 kids. I never wanted kids .The family I grew up in was disfunctional. My dad was an alcoholic who beat up on me and my mom. I wasnt a fan of my sisters kids. They annoyed me and held my sister back from any kind of successful life. Now I find myself wanting to Drink life away when Im not working 14 hours to support everybody. I am having a fling but have been able to hide it well.I work so much noone questions where I am. I love my kids but not my wife.We are too totally different people. I want out.Guys dont get married and dont have kids.
Ge goes on to reply again to Veronica when she asks why he married and had kids:
Veronica. Im not sure if what I felt was love when I married my wife.To be completely honest.I liked her.We had fun.We went skiing and hung out with our mutual friends.I think I was trying to be "successful" in my life. "Successful" people were mature and had a wife and a house.All that "stuff".I never wanted kids and she knew that before we got married. But after hearing her pleas on how she wanted our own little family and how lonely she was and felt the urge to mother I could not tell her to forget about it. I agreed to having a kid SOMEDAY. Well someday was about a year after we were married. She hardly gave us anytime as a couple before getting pregnant. We had our son and it was hard. Our debt got bigger,the wife got fired, friends were scarce, and she hounded me with all her might.Dont spend this....we have a baby to support now.Dont go there you need to spend time with your son. I dont know why but she wanted another baby while the baby was still a baby. She came and the stress work and debt doubled. We had a toddler and a baby and the wife got pregnant yet again. It was an "accident" she said. We couldnt afford it but it happened.Three kids back to back.Im at work all the time.Shes at home all the time.We sleep seperate and eat seperate.We only talk about the kids and by talking I mean fighting. our biggest fight is about money and sometimes sex. Divorce has been brought up plenty and I do love the kids and its been said that she WILL get EVERYTHING including sole custody of my kids.
Another response was from Unhappily married with kids that said:
I so fully relate to this article. I did not even originally want kids.That was my Wifes decision.She threw it on me very shortly after we were married. Sometimes I wonder if that is all that she wanted to marry me for. She got pregnant three times in a row. The first two SHE planned and our third was an "accident".I love the kids but I feel bound and shackled. It sounds shallow but my wife wears moo moos around the house at night now.Not very attractive. I just spend more and more time at work which has even gotten more stressful since the marriage and the kids. But I have to spend more time there because the credit cards keep becoming maxed out and the kids need this and that, and that and this. My wife hounds me about the small pleasures I buy for myself like games and CDs even t hough I make the most of our money as she is only a babysitter. I want OUT of this hellhole of a marriage but If I take that path I may lose everything including the kids. My advice for young men is DON'T HAVE KIDS!
There were alot of responses from ALOT of men.
I am comfortable with saying child abuse is always wrong, especially sexual abuse. I wouldn't want harm to come to even the brattiest child. I hate reading stories about children who are pressed into service as soldiers, or sex slaves. When I see children playing in the park, it's a nice, normal "all is normal and okay with this part of the world" sight. I can be nice and pleasant to a child in the line of work for about an hour, or at least fake it.
But I don't go any closer. I do not feel envious of their parents. I too, enjoy peace and quiet, and like yo, I love my sleep. I enjoy the company and conversation of adults more than that of children. I just don't have a lot of patience with kids. I don't feel deprived for not having had one. Possibly because I was raised by a single mother who had a distinctly ambivalent attitude about motherhood. She loved us, certainly didn't abuse us, provided for us etc etc, but at times, found the life of a single mother of four a huge burden. And frankly, it was, even though she ended up with four college graduates with independent households of their own. But only one of us had a child, and my nephew is now almost eighteen. So at 46, my maternal instinct never really kicked into overdrive, and my biological clock appears to have no batteries.
Think about the messages we are inundated wtih about parenthood. How many anti-parenthood messages do you hear on a daily basis? Look at television, magazines, celebrity culture and tell me - how often is parenthood portrayed realistically? It is glorified plain and simple and the downside of parenthood is kept very secret. There are too many institutions and industries that benefit from breeding. Think about it.
Research shows that childfree people are happier and have happier marriages. (You can read about this here:
http://yestochildfreedom.blogspot.com/
and yet parenthood (esp. motherhood) is touted as the pinacle of a woman's life and the only road to real happiness and fulfilment.
It is a lie. Don't believe it.
By the way...you refer to yourself as childless but in reality, you are childfree. Childless people want kids but don't (or can't) have them. You are clear that you do not want them, therefore you are childfree.
For validation and a realization that you are not alone in your perception of parenthood, please visit my blog:
http://childfreedom.blogspot.com/
You'll find plenty of like-minded folks there!
In my first blog post (published mere minutes ago) I address this very question. Check it out and good luck!
Ok, I registered for an account "just to comment here!" First off, great post! I want to reiterate what kryptogal said in that I think it's great for people to have kids who truly want them! However, for the rest of us, it's not a decision to take lightly!
I. Cherry Coating
What immediately comes to mind is that I have to doubt the genuiness of the responses you might get here, because of the fact that, most of the folks commenting are not truly anonymous... they probably have friends and family who read their blogs... and their comments. So, perhaps there's a need to cherry coat this issue.
II. Denial and Rose Colored Glasses
Second, I think many folks, even if they "were" truly anonymous, would have a hard time even being genuine with "themselves!" I believe in a theory that, when stuck in a permanent situation, most of us, in an effort of survival, will instinctively take on the mindset that we're happy with our lot in life - especially if it's one we chose (and created!!). Again, this could be another reason for the above folks chose to post... they are, once again, trying to convince themselves. (Not saying this is true for everyone of course. I do believe many people truly love being parents. My mom says the happiest time of her life was when my siblings and I were all growing up... thankfully, I've realized that it would "not" be the same for me were I to have kids!! haha)
III. The You'll be so Happy You Had Them *Myth*
Ok, now that I've stated these two things, I'd like to bring your attention to a very revealing thread of posts all from mothers, who, given the chance to be completely anonymous, have chosen to be genuine not only with themselves but also with others. Some here I believe are suffering from depression, but others I believe are just not happy being moms... period, and, most of these ladies posting *didn't want kids to begin with.* Their posts "shatter" the "myth" that "once you have kids, you'll realize you never knew what you were missing!" These moms realize what they're missing alright... they miss their freedom and "pre-kid" lifestyles. These are a lot of ladies who appear to be highly educated and successful as well. Many admit to "faking" being happy around others. So anyway, don't rely on the mother instinct kicking in if you're the type that didn't want kids to begin with. Here's the link, but be forewarned, these posts are really sad, and some are quite disturbing: http://forums.bellaonline.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=519614&page=1.
Here is a forum on married folks in general not wanting kids: http://forums.bellaonline.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=178
Some other good, child-free websites for those confused on the issue:
http://www.babynotonboard.com/home.html
http://www.childfreebychoice.com/index.htm
http://www.kidfreeandlovinit.com/Kidfree_Web_Site/Welcome.html
By the way, I'm also 31, female and don't want kids. I actually do really like kids though. They can be so much fun, and I consider myself to be a kid at heart as well (think I always will be!!). I just don't have the desire to be a mom, and like you, I'm also very introverted, crave alone time, and am not high-energy. I think I'm just one of those lucky people that needs very little socialization to maintain a sense of well-being. Just seeing the blue sky everyday gives me a sense of well-being. Why should I complicate my life with kids? I "do" think some people would feel empty, or lonely, or that something was missing if they didn't have kids - but that person isn't me! I will enjoy living a peaceful life as a senior without a lot of family (we don't "chose" them, after all). I will have my friends, whose company I enjoy. I'm doing what I know will be right for "me."
Good luck to everyone deciding. :)
Having kids WILL change your life, profoundly.
For me, it was (is) the *absolute* best thing that's *ever* happened to me in my entire life-- twice. My whole world changed in the space of time it took my first son to be born. When I held him in my hands for the very first time-- aside from the fact that he looked like a 50 year old Swiss gnome-- everything that previously mattered to me flew out the window. All the anger, slights, hurts, jealousies and grudges-- were all gone. They were all so pale and petty in the face of the new life I was holding-- *my* son.
Countless poopy diapers later, I still feel the same. He is wonderful. The delight of my day, the apple of my eye. He's willful, mischievous, but at the same time a little guy who looks up to Daddy (and Mommy) for love and guidance.
I can't speak for anyone else-- and I have known parents who think its a chore-- for me its not, its an adventure, every day. And a delightful one at that. But I think that if I had been a parent when I was younger I might not feel the way I do. As an older parent I am blessed with having gotten a lot of living done out of the way-- tried a little of this and that, had a lot of fun, sowed plenty of wild oats, cried a little, laughed a lot, got my shit together, know how to pay the bills and be responsible-- all the stuff that trips up younger people, whether they're parents or not.
My wife and I both love being parents. Our little guys are so very special to us, I can gush over them for days.
But that's not what you wanted to hear is it? You want to know about the changing diapers-- it seems that all they ever do is eat, sleep and poop. Before our first one was born, my wife was all "green" and studying up on the effects of pampers on the environment versus the old-fashioned cloth diaper. She even got me involved and I read the various studies too (it works out about even, all added-up). She decided cloth diapers was the way to go. (I made her buy a few boxes of pampers too). It didn't take but a couple of cloth diapers.... pampers *is* the way to go. Nobility went right out the window (along with the used pampers :)
Sleepless nights-- there are some. Especially in the beginning. But our boys both are good sleepers, and after a few months (don't recall exact times) they both settled into good sleeping rhythms, and sleep throughout the night.
I don't know how other parents do it, but for us-- we've cordoned off a good chunk of the house that gives them a decent amount of space to play in. We've done our best to "baby-proof" what we can (cabinets, gates, outlet covers, etc) and then just do our best to keep an eye on them for the rest.
We are of two minds about baby-proofing. On the one hand you don't want your kids to get hurt. On the other hand if you baby-proof too much they never learn anything about their environments. I reckon the important thing is to try to recognize and eliminate the things that will kill them and then concentrate on helping them learn about the things left over. So far we haven't had any major problems-- a can dropped on a toe, pinched fingers, that sort of thing.
The best part though comes when they start learning to walk and talk (usually six to nine months apart) and you start getting hugs and baby-babble. Its fun to hear what they come up with-- to just listen to one of my boys say "Ohhhh Noooo" in his certain little way just cracks me up-- it used to be "Uh Oh." in that little boy voice. There is nothing he can do that won't instantly be absolved by the "Uh Oh."
Our kids grow up in a home where they are showered with love and affection. And they shower us with the same in return. If anybody tells you raising kids isn't work, they're full of it. But if anybody tells you raising kids is a pain in the ass, I *guarantee* they aren't doing it right.
But don't worry, when you become a parent, none of that will matter to you anymore.
I began a comment here earlier today in which I was detailing the resonance of the question for me, but I soon saw I might be hijacking your post (although that would be a tall order, with what an abundance of viewpoints are here)... Playing it safe, I've created my own post on the subject [my only OS post, to date]... I would be much honored if you'd see whether I've added anything to your prior ruminations.
Whether I have aided your thinking or not, kryptogal, you (and those above, responding to you) have aided mine. I am grateful.
...[LM]
I do sometimes feel that the 'misery loves company' cliche pertains to having kids. 'oh, they are so enriched' after having kids, but they look frustrated, angry & run down & their kids are annoying jerks, etc. - we all know these families. Friends recently had a baby - unplanned - they looked happy & in love...then came baby..the father looked especially shell-shocked & they, months later, were sniping at each other, stressed, etc. Now do they love their daughter? Of course....and after awhile could they 'imagine life without her'...I would guess not. The wonderful thing about us humans is that we're pretty inventive & adaptive. Our lives as we know may be ruined but we carry on, we 'can't imagine' life being different or how it used to be (thank god) - and we do love our kids, so what else can one say?
I would add that it's usually the mothers posting & saying how 'wonderful' and 'fulfilled' they are - I'd like to hear from the fathers/husbands - it can be hard on a husband because they can feel kicked to the curb. Don't forget studies have been shown that couples happiness diminishes after children only to return (if they make it) once the kids are gone, secondly that childless couples are fractionally happier than couples with children - not significantly.
My main point: look to your own family life for clues to the reality of children & if you do have kids you'll probably forget that your life is crap & adapt to reality and 'make the best' with new people you love even if you might not like them.
All adults were once children, only many have forgotten about it. We have got used, that parents should be very authoritative figures. And from a position of absolute authority to operate, take out judgements, to punish, establish rules rather "well-badly" and not to be mistaken. Modern children revolt against such alignment of forces, and in many families to be the parent turns to torture. Actually there are no bad parents and there are no bad children. Simply often we really do not know how to find common language, to get out of deadlocks, to establish borders, to inspire, influence and remain quiet and happy.
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Having children is the most wonderful, and inexplicably the most terrible, thing you can do to yourself.
Look, don't have kids if you don't want to deal with the roller coaster. Plain and simple. I totally respect that choice. As a matter of fact, I completely support it. But at the same time, go easy on the people who have decided to enter parenthood - they are experiencing something you cannot understand unless you are there as well.
I am almost angry when women try to argue or justify having children to me. I don't need you to convince me, and insist that I will "grow out of this phase."
Thank you for your blog!
In reading the responses to your post, it seems to me that you got what you asked for. I don't know if you expected someone to actually reply that they ever regretted having their children because it just won't happen. I once read a letter from some Today Show doctor in response to a woman "on the fence," so to speak, in which the doctor stated that while she knew people who had regretted not having children, she never met anyone who regretted having children. I found this statement professionally irresponsible and absolutely ludicruous because it is so unlikely, if not downright taboo, that someone would actually admit to such a thing. The guilt and judgment attached to such a thought would make it difficult for someone to admit it to themselves, much less state it verbally to someone else. You just won't ever hear that.
In any event, when I was in my earlier 30's, just after getting married, I thought maybe I wanted to have a baby. But, clearly, not enough to actually go through with it (or even try). So, time passed, and I only ever thought about the whole subject when someone I knew had a baby. I would contemplate the thought for about a day and it would just disappear.
The April before last, a friend of mine told me that she "accidentally" became pregnant and she was clearly not happy about it. She had also been ambivalent about the whole childbearing thing. She gave birth this past January, and I actually started thinking that maybe she was lucky because it happened to her accidentally and she didn't have a choice. After all, all these other people (like those responding to your post) say that once you have the baby you love it and everything else you've mentioned is meaningless so don't let a little doubt stop you. So, to me, it seemed lucky for her that choice was taken out of the equation because, really, how much easier would it be if you just had that desire to have a child and there really was no choice involved, right?? You wouldn't be asking this question now, would you?? She got that, in a way.
So, I've been thinking about this for the past several months which led me to your post. Here's how it is for me. Everything you've raised in your post are feelings and thoughts that I've also had. I, too, have thought that childrearing people weren't telling the whole truth.
But, what I have come to understand is that, just like some people have this innate, strong desire to have children, there is something just as deep inside of me that tells me NOT to have children. It is actually only when I start thinking rationally about the subject that all of the feelings raised in your post come into play. I can acknowledge that inner thing inside of me telling me not to do it, but then I think, what if these people are all right and I just need to jump in because I'll love my child so much it won't matter that I didn't have the desire to have him?? They make me start to doubt what I know is right for me; what my deepest feelings tell me. So, I start with the rationalizations (those tangibles that I can point to and say, "this is why I don't want children") rather than just trusting my own gut.
So, I guess what I'm saying to you (and to all those others who posted comments to the effect that all of your stated concerns fly out the window once you look into the child's eyes and you suddenly want to dedicate the rest of your life to this new being you've created) is that, if you're like me, these feelings your expressing are really just a way of trying to deal with the competition between your own instinct not to have children and the immense societal pressure that tells you to go ahead and do it or else you're weird (I know all too well what that feels like and you probably end up putting even more pressure on yourself to make up your mind already). I have witnessed up-close and personal the result of children born out of sheer desperation whether it be to maintain a marriage or to bring into the world someone who will give love unconditionally or because of all of the outside pressure society heaps on you and the only one to truly suffer is the child who cannot possibly fulfill any of the expectations raised even before his birth. I can assure you that it is not all sunshine and roses when the commitment to raising the child is not there before the actual child. In the end, if you listen (truly listen) to your own gut and are able to ignore all of these outside influences, you'll know what's right for you. It is not "selfish" not to bear children; it is selfish to bear children when you are unsure you want to fully commit your life to them.
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I have two completely different experiences with my two children. I was 21 when I had my first son and was not ready. It was very difficult to be a parent, and although I loved and cared for my son. I found only a little joy and a lot of stress in being a parent. I had my second son at age 30 and the difference is like night and day. I don't love my second child more than my first. But I enjoy being a parent so much more this time around. Parenting is equally as challenging as it was the first time but I am more mature and more patient this time. Being a parent did not ruin my life, not even the first time when it was harder to deal with. It changed my life. Some of the changes were not so good, but most were positive changes, because I forced myself to become a better person.
Maybe parenting isn't for you, maybe people without kids are generally happier or more content. Maybe true happiness comes from yourself and not from having a kid and most people expect having a child to provide them with happiness and when it doesn't come they become more unhappy than before they had kids? Just a theory... It's hard work raising kids. My kids challenge me every day and I believe I am a better person for it.
I'd say that becoming a parent is a different experience every time for every person, it probably does ruin some lives... but the number one reason I believe it's important to have children (at least for me) is because I believe with all my heart that the meaning of life is love. We are put on Earth to experience love and the strongest love is the love a parent feels for a child. Nothing else comes close. No matter how much you love your spouce or anyone else, it's nothing comparted to the love of your child, which is the truest form of unconditional love.
At the end of my life I'll know I experienced as much love as any one person can handle. I love my boys so much that it seems as if my body doesn't have enough space to hold all the love and I would not change a thing.
40 year old woman here with absolutely no desire to bear and raise a child.