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MAY 1, 2009 3:33PM

That Does It! I'm Steamed!! So, I'm Rocking the Vote!!!

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I just read this story by Ryan Grim on HuffPost, "In Their Own Words: Why Dem Senators Screwed Homeowners"...  and it was the final straw. I've been seriously considering changing my party registration from Democratic to Independent, just to make a point, but I was going to do it manually. However, I was s0000o steamed after reading that story that I turned to Google and found an online site where I could input my data and print out the form to mail in to the county. 

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I may not be in the typical RTV demographic, but who cares. I still feel a lot of the same things I felt when I voted for George McGovern in 1972. Without the benefit of RTV. I'm sure all of the Republicans who work in my county registrar's office will just be ecstatic... Let them enjoy it. A lot of good it will do them. My new registration status will not benefit any of them them, either.

So, what was it about that story that got me so steamed?

Only that Durbin is right. The Banks do own Congress. 

Durbin

Our elected officials have bailed out all of the too-big-to-fail banks and their bonus-loving execs with taxpayer dollars and then, when they have an opportunity to do a little something for taxpayers-- and not just for those who might lose a home in foreclosure-- but also for those who live in the same neighborhoods and communities, and whose home values will suffer as a result, what do they do? 

They vote No. They did that. Just today.

It's a little bit late to be learning the use of that particular word. 

I have to say that it was incredibly easy to use the forms provided by Credo on the RTV site. I would absolutely love it if a lot of you would join me in protesting the out-and-out crassness of the Democratic Party by changing your registrations, too. And I don't even care which party you switch to... how's that for being "disinterested?"  [Note: you still have to mail the forms.]

In case you need a little bit more persuading... here are some excerpts from Grim's piece:

Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.): "A number of things. I thought the 31 percent is an arbitrary number. I think there are a whole lot of folks, are likely folks, out there who have little debt outside their home who could -- I just thought it was an arbitrary number and I didn't like the way it was constructed."

Dorgan is referring to the percentage of a person's income that a judge could determine should be dedicated to paying the monthly mortgage. The figure is roughly in line with what financial analysts agree is appropriate.

[...]

Ben Nelson (D-Neb.): "I've not supported the cramdown for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that I hate to see that authority to determine what the future contract is ceded to the court."

Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), who ultimately voted yes: "My concern about this is that in our appropriate zeal to help the four or five percent of Americans who might be faced with bankruptcy, we don't unduly raise the costs of homeownership on the 95 percent who never will."

Tom Carper (D-Del.): "One of the reasons why usually mortgage rates are cheaper for primary homes is that the markets have the certainty that the judge won't be invited to come in and change the terms of the mortgage."

Of course, the Senate package only included mortgages pre-2009, so interest rates on future mortgages would be unaffected. So what would it take to get Carper's vote?  [read the rest of the story to find out]

[...]

Jon Tester (D-Mont.): "I just think a deal's a deal. I have a lot of empathy for folks who tend to get led astray, but I just think it's going to create some problems -- pretty obvious, actually. I don't have to list them. I'm generally opposed. I don't think it works well."

Mary Landrieu (D-La.): "My community bankers are really opposed to it and I think it's important for people to realize there is a big difference right now in the country between the health of these large international financial institutions and our local community banks...I think we gotta be careful about adopting processes and procedures that would really hurt our community banks."

The HuffPost asked a few Republicans, too, but I'm not seceding from their party, and I didn't expect much from them anyway...

* * *

I now expect to be courted for my vote. And I am definitely going to be more coy in the future. No more easy answers. 

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There has been rare honesty in politics lately. Durbin plainly admits banks own congress ... Specter plainly admits that he's changing parties specifically because re-election as a Republican "looks bleak."

As Jon Stewart said recently on his show, I'm not sure I can exactly RESPECT that sort of honesty, but at the very least its refreshing.
Stellaa... I've always leaned more your direction than in the one that says Obama could do no wrong... but I wanted to be fair and open-minded, etc., etc.

But this vote is beyond the pale, and I really have to wonder if he even tried to save it. Granted, none of the Republicans were going to vote for it, but he should have been able to persuade fellow Democrats. (Of course, some of them are Blue-Dogs, and others, I suspect, are newly-minted Dems.)

Thanks, Dave & Lyle...

I don't see much of Jon Stewart, but of course, he would have a rational take even on hypocrisy.
Of course, Congress is bought and paid for by the banks and the financial industry more generally. We live in a capitalist-imperialist empire, the greatest since Rome, what should we expect? I'm not surprised, but nonetheless, it's very unjust and I am upset just like you.

The electoral process isn't going to get us what the majority need and want. Voting doesn't decide public policy. Look at Obama's war policies - most who voted for him thought he'd be an improvement over Bush.

Mass actions and mass movements are the only road that can produce anything.
I'm with Dennis on this one. Unfortunately, Stellaa's solution (no political advertising or contributions) is unworkable without a constitutional amendment - like that's going to happen!

What we really need is more folks like you, who are waking up to the fact that the Democratic Party is never going to bring us the solutions ordinary working people need. We also need (as Dennis's comment suggests) for people to stop thinking about political action in narrow electoral terms, and start thinking about direct mass actions - especially strikes and other militant labor actions.

You are moving in a good direction here. Please permit me to encourage you to keep going! For some ideas of where you might want to head, check out Mick Arran and Dennis Loo and (blush) me here on OS.

Happy May Day!
ktm, thank you for posting about this and it is an outrage. These days I don't care to give Ralph Nader credit for much of anything, but it's clear when banks get their way with a Democratically-controlled Congress then we can say that part of his message was on the mark.
Organian... as a matter of fact, I already read all three of you. I just don't always comment.

As for mass demonstrations, I have some concerns. No one expects demonstrations always to be safe, but from what I've been reading about the U.S. military now being used on American soil (a serious violation of U.S. law), and the weapons/defenses now being tested for use against mass demonstrations of Americans, I'm not sure that's the way to go, either.

Clearly, though, something bold, creative, and that will smite them between the eyes (metaphorically speaking) is what is called for.

Dennis, I'm not really surprised, either, but I am outraged. I'm not sure, though, that I can follow the path you are suggesting. Physically, I am probably not up to it. But, I will be thinking of all of the ways I can use words to embarrass and persuade.

I honestly think that some serious Art is what is called for. Cartoons, plays, photography, poems, novels, short stories, paintings, dance... those things are where I see possibilities.

Of course, given the state of publishing, journalism, and the economy... there will have to be a revolution in how these things are produced. And I predict that the two revolutions (in Art and in Politics) will merge or unite or cross-pollinate. I don't know how, exactly. But, I do know that when serious change is called for, it first happens in the Arts.
I beg to be allowed to point out that they truly have been a wimpy opposition party all through this mess. If the Democrats had had half a spine, perhaps the heinous Military Commissions Act could have died stillborn. Perhaps impeachment could have been on the table!
designanator, I am similarly ambivalent about Nader. Even though I would agree with many of his points, he would still irritate me by being such a scold about everything, and trying to force his way using impossible methods. [sigh....]

Dave, that was an odious Act. And if we'd started impeachment back when it first came up, some of what has happened since then might not have. Of course, that was entirely the point, perhaps.

How ironic that so many of the villains of Watergate and Iran-Contra are still with us, and still causing so much agita. (sp?) Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, and many others... they all date from Watergate and from Reagan's administration.

Too much forgiveness. Or maybe forgetfulness. Not enough history, that's for sure.
Thanks, ktm. I'm flattered that you read me. A lot of the time I worry that I'm just talking to myself here.

You say "No one expects demonstrations always to be safe, but from what I've been reading about the U.S. military now being used on American soil (a serious violation of U.S. law), and the weapons/defenses now being tested for use against mass demonstrations of Americans, I'm not sure that's the way to go, either."

You have a point. Trying to make change is never safe, though, especially when you threaten to take power and wealth away from those who have grown accustomed to it. Just ask Martin Luther King Jr., the four who were killed at Kent State, and Rachel Corrie - to name only a few.

No one says this will be easy. But it has to be done, nonetheless. And much as I support and appreciate political art of all kinds, I can't think of any historical examples of art alone being sufficient to change a society. It can play a wonderful supporting role, but it's no substitute for militant mass action.
Organian... it may, in fact, require both. Something like "The Luddites & the Enlightenment?"

And the way our government is now preparing to meet such "assaults" is nothing like we saw during the '60s and the '70s.
I just know I have to be realistic about what I can do physically.
I decided long ago that the lesser of two evils choice presented come November was bullshit. I voted for Nader and send my money to third parties that have universal health care, a true end to the illegal wars, and drug decriminalization in their platform.

Most people won't ever hear about this, let alone get angry. monkey fingered.
BlueEyes... I suspect that there will be some desperate homeowners who will hear about this news... as well as their family, friends and neighbors, especially if they are in an area with lots of For Sale or Foreclosure signs...

It will be personal for them.

What if the SEIU were to try and unionize the unemployed or the mortgage-endangered? What would that look like?
So I take it none of the Democrats mentioned the massive fraud perpetrated by the banks in writing many of these mortgages that now have changed to unrealistic rates?

No, I didn't think so. But we sure have to give those fraudsters more money, huh?
Actually, organizing the unemployed WAS something unions did during the Great Depression, and it's definitely of those ideas that deserves to be taken out, dusted off, modernized, and put back into action.

There are a lot of lessons from that period of US labor history that could come in real handy right now. Here's a link to some reading material on the subject.
Arianna Huffington is as upset as you are Karen. In her article, she says the bankers “have kneecapped substantive bankruptcy reform in the Senate, helped pull the plug on a government-brokered deal with Chrysler, and tried feverishly to throw up a roadblock in the way of credit card reform in the House.”

Why Are Bankers Still Being Treated As Beltway Royalty?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-are-bankers-still-bei_b_194242.html
I have been urging switch registration from Dem/Rep to whatever floats your boat since the election.

According to a stat presented on The Ed Show (MSNBC) last night, some 60 percent of voters are already registered as something other than one of the big two.

If enough of us do this, perhaps we can get a return of the Fairness Doctrine, wrest away the Presidential debates from the CPD (Commission on Presidential debates, and restore a modicum of democracy to our election cycle.

It is informative to read the press release that the League of Women Voters offered when they withdrew for sponsorship:
"The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates...because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."
Yeah, this is why Edwards' anti-corporate platform was gaining traction, and hopefully the anti-corporate/high finance stance will continue to do so, now, regardless of who promotes it.

Congress has to be purged severely, though, before anything meaningful will happen.
ktm...

I have the same feeling but an opposite plan for what we should do. look at how the right was able to co-opt their party for two decades now. why are the corporatists able to claim the whole Democratic party for themselves? the trouble is that if you de-register as a democrat, you can't be part of the choosing process in primaries. Why don't we...netroots or dailykos people start (now that the whole country has become "anything but republican") start aiming at getting more liberal populist candidates into general elections....? And de-electing the corporatists?

I'm really disgusted with the actions of these 11 Democrats who voted against this bill. But let's go after those 11 (go after by contributing to the campaigns of their Democratic contenders for their seats)...instead of throwing the party away just at this moment when there is potential for Democrats to do a lot of good in health care etc. etc..
Oh, and, BTW, I've bee steamed for a long time.
;~)
I have been a registered Independent my whole life, which in mnay state means you don't vote in primaries. Having pissed into the wind most of my life, I've gotten kinda used to it. I must say, though, it was very lonely criticizing Bush/Cheney several years ago -- just as criticizing Obama most falls on deaf ears these days.

As for the lesser of two evils, nobody likes it, but what's the alternative? Need I remind you that Nader's refusal to get out in 2000 gave us Bush? You gotta be nuts if you think things would have been the same the last eight years under Gore. For starters, Gore wouldn't have taken an extended vacation right after his inauguration. God knows cuttin' brush, watchin' football and tossin' back a few cases of beer was more important than listening to Richard Clarke's warnings about Al Queda.
Oh KTM,
THis so reminds me of an angry letter I wrote to the Dems a few years ago. I'm like a cheated-upon wife; I keep thinking they're going to change, and they never fucking do. The only thing is, you know they're better than the alternative. SIGH.
Thanks for reading & commenting, Jim, especially in the midst of all your other stuff, with animals and pastures and such, not to mention, your own diaries.

Organian, I printed out that article to read in the car tomorrow. Your link, too, Paul. (I'm going on an all-day outing with my daughter. She'll be driving, so I can catch up on some of what I missed tonight while doing a couple of errands.)

Wayne, I had read before about the LWV's statement, and how they refused to continue to sponsor it, because of the unreasonable conditions of the candidates. How appalling.... It's certainly worth at least one or two blog posts, if you haven't already done one on the LWV and why they no longer sponsor the debates.

Rick, Edwards was my 2nd choice after Dodd. Earlier on, I really thought Dodd campaigning on restoring the Constitution took precedence over everything else. In fact, I still think that takes precedence. I'm not sure this WH sees it the same way.

Dolores, this deregistration has been a long time coming for me. I really started thinking about it in earnest, though, during the FISA battle. They just gave us up. I still can't believe it. And I'm not talking about Republicans, but Democrats!
Anyway, I can still vote for Democrats, and I can still donate money to ActBlue Candidates, or to Accountability Now... I'm just not going to send any money to the DLC, the DNC, the DSCC, or whatever the House version is. I haven't been anyway... I still believe in trying to elect more and better Democrats, but I don't believe that can be done within the party, which is why any donations I make will be to the orgs I mentioned above. I wouldn't try to persuade you to do differently, though, since you really seem to have your heart set on what you're already doing. I think we all have to do that. There is no single magic cure that will correct anything as messed up as our government is right now. The multi-pronged approach has to be the overall strategy.

Tom, just being an "I" does not mean I would vote for a 3rd party. I'd have to have a very compelling reason to do so, and that hasn't been the case yet. Not even Nader. I've even argued that if Gore had been in office that 9/11 might not have happened, but I didn't have the good grace to wait long enough to say that. I thought so from the beginning.

I hear you, FLW, and I truly appreciate the metaphor... which applies also to that FOCA issue we have been discussing on your blog (and elsewhere). Of course, that one might be more an Obama issue than a congressional issue.

I will be away from home all day tomorrow (Saturday), but I wanted to reply to all of the comments that were here tonight. I promise to check back in as soon as possible tomorrow evening. After the sheep & wool festival. ;~)
KTM, sorry, after rereading my comments, I realize it sounded like i was using the personal "you" rather than the editorial "you" I had intended. God, there are times when I hate the written word.
No worries, Tom! I knew what you meant; I was only emphasizing the degree of our like-mindedness...
Hopefully soon, the people who claim to be democrats and republicans will realize that the career politicians and large corporations don't give a damn about us. At that point, we will take all our frustrations out in the right direction instead of brow beating each other and calling each other stupid names and calling each other stupid and brainless. I watched the banks overextend back before the housing crash in late 2005. Greed and power will continue as long as we acquiesce and remain divided. Democrat and Republican politicians are just the opposite sides of the same coin. The media stirs up so much fervor with controversial talk people on both sides to get us whipped into a fervor of hate for the other side and we bite again and again instead of looking at what is happening in reality and to our lives. The handwriting was clear and on the wall when both presidential candidates ran down to DC during the presidential campaign and voted for the first bailout of the previous administration.
KTM--

I actually heard about this from being a Credo customer--and yeah, this sort of blows out of the water he idea that there is some sort of "good party" and "bad party." We're very much past that now.

I'm pre-disposed to like Dick Durbin a lot---so I find his directness refreshing. I'm sure someone will find a way to link this to President Obama, or make some sort of comparison to President Obama---but I think heeding Durbin's words is a wise thing to do. The banks do own the senate and that's a really big problem.
what Stellaa said
what Organian said
what doloresflores_d said

we need to keep the pressure on and make these bastards as scared to piss us off as they are to piss off the bankers

thanks for the post
Look who's commenting here. Not the Brave New Generation for Change Robots, but Boomers and Gen X'ers who've been out there fighting for change, protesting, writing Congress, organizing anti-or-pro-whatever-was-worth-fighting efforts. I've been a Democrat all my voting life, in the state house, the white house, on the phones, on campaign trails, in the streets, in the voters booth and door to door.

Maybe we didn't always succeed, but we WORKED HARD for our ideals, we brought down a criminal president (and not for a freakin blow job), stopped a war, got more equal pay, less denial of voting rights and more voter registration, a start to gay rights... the list is long and not nearly enough but we TRIED.

These kids who think they know more about politics than we do, who think they Got Obama Elected and blame us for every failure should look up from their video games and see reality. They are dilettantes and fools who sat on their asses in front of computers and partied at rallies while big business and big finance and big lobbyists did the real (dirty) work.

Where were the millions of young and new voters who should have been filling the streets and the halls of Congress with rage over so many impeachable acts of the Bush admin's evil demons? Who should have been rallying for election reform laws, anti-lobbying laws, ANTI-TORTURE, ANTI-WAR... that list is endless. Congress is bought and paid for, period.

Until The Change Generation changes their priorities, gets organized and is joined by the rest of us to use the power of numbers and gut the pay for play system, not even Moses or Jesus can save us, much less Obama.

Phew, I feel better now. Thanks
WHAT SALLY SAID!!
Ralph Nader has said it best for decades now: there's no difference between Rpeublicans and Democrats. To that I would add, they're all in Congress to enrich themselves, most are millionaires, if not billionaires, and most leave Congress with considerably more wealth than they had upon arriving.

This is an extremely corrupt nation, controlled by wealthy white men from its inception......and unthinking, unquestioning, wimpy Americans put up with it!!!!!!!! Why?!!! Oh, yeah.....(now all you sheep, repeat after me...) "We live in the greatest nation on earth!" Wave the flag! Rah, rah! (See my posts on Americans being the most controlled population in the world and don't even know it...I wrote a series...)
In states like mine, where Bush won so handily in 2000, my vote for Nader wasn't wasted. A vote for Gore here was doomed for the trash bin, thanks to the electoral system. However, had the Greens compiled enough individual votes nationally that year, they would have qualified for federal funding in future cycles. My hope that such an outcome would make the Dems take note.

And let's not forget that the reason the Greens gained headway in 2000 was because of the corporatist policies of Clinton, something Obama seems to be emulating.
Neil, you raise some good points. I have to admit that I have more sympathy for working class homeowners (whose wages have remained stagnant while everything else goes up) and those whose home values have declined below the amount of their mortgage.

You're right about some people using their homes as ATMs. Not a great practice, but I can see how it would happen when productivity goes up, but wages don't.

And even though I don't feel a lot of sympathy for those homeowners who have abused the system, I have sooooo much less for the bankers who have exercised a lot more control and influence on the entire system, to the detriment of everyone.
It just galls me that they can receive oodles of corporate welfare because they are so big, while others must be denied because they are not big enough to have the same kind of influence. It's completely out of whack.

But I take your points. (I don't have any credit card debt, thank god, but it's still becoming more and more difficult to make ends meet every week....)

Kevin, It makes a lot of sense to place a protest vote when you live in a state like yours, where Bush would win, regardless. I've lived in PA all of that time, and longer, and it's always made a difference here. For now, the state is trending blue... but third parties have a very difficult time here. (Thus, Specter's decision.)

Amy, Nader's notion certainly feels more true to me now... but it did not in 2000 when insisted on conflating Gore and Bush. He was wrong then, and we've all paid for it. There is absolutely no way that Gore would have replicated the Bush decade (it still isn't over, after all).

Sally... LOL, tell us what you really think. I think I might be reading comments from some of that younger generation you mention when I'm in Glenn Greenwald's blog. They still idolize Obama, and I can't completely fault them for that. They didn't create our culture of personality, but they have to live in it. Jon Stewart reveals a lot of the hypocrisy in it to them, but he's only doing a comedy show, not "real" news, even though he's so much more insightful than, say, Fox. And, I just can't hold them responsible for insights they haven't had yet... especially historical ones. We all remember Nixon (and before him Johnson) and Kennedy's assassination, and Watergate, and Iran-Contra (though my 34-yr-old daughter remembers that one well). And they're probably tired of the bickering, like children of parents who finally decide to "move on" and get a divorce, hopefully an amicable one. A little repetition of history in their own memories, and they'll be in the same place on the dissatisfaction continuum.
Roy, you're absolutely right. We need to act more like Europeans, or at least like Britons. Overseas, the governments do fear their constituents. Here, it is exactly the opposite. And for good reason... none of those other governments have spent as much money as ours has developing tools and weaponry for crowd control. And we just don't use the mass or general strike here the way they do there. Nor do we attack our politicians in public verbally the way the do in the UK... unless you count blogs, which are a lot easier to ignore, given the lack of "volume."

Roger, you probably have more insight into Durbin, since he's one of your senators. Sometimes I really appreciate what he says... except when he gets shamed into backpedaling and taking it back. I can't tell you how much that bothers me. Maybe we should start calling him "N0 Do-Over Durbin;" perhaps that would take hold, and he'd stop second-guessing his better instincts.

Leonde, there actually were journalists (even if only a few) who were writing about the pending financial crisis early enough to do something about it. Unfortunately, in Bush's eyes it was no crisis, but exactly what he and his base of "the have-mores" had in mind. Dan Gillmor was one of those journalists. He used to be at one of the SF papers, but gave it up to put all of his energy into citizen journalism. All that time, he was writing about that housing bubble, since it was such a huge factor in California. And there were some others, just not enough of them, and they weren't getting good enough placement or enough recognition.

We need a People's Award for Journalism. One that we can vote on, just like we (figuratively speaking, since I don't watch it) do on American Idol. Only those who really cared would bother to vote.

The BeltwayPunditry is not fooling nearly as many people as they think they are... Polls continue to show the public as being way ahead of ALL of the political elites on most issues. (Even torture, I think, since all of the elites think it's okay, but only a very small minority, or perhaps a plurality of the public agree.)

Thank you, to all of you who have taken the time to read and/or comment. The best part of a blog post is the comments that follow, where others fill in the blanks, offer additional links, and make points that might otherwise have been overlooked.
Neil, I suspected as much (re framing), since you tend to be one of the more compassionate posters I know here on Open Salon. But... we all have those times when our patience and understanding are stretched way too thin, and just by ordinary life, which used to be our place of respite. I know I suffer at those times, too. (I just try not to post very much then... ;~)
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