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Lainey

Lainey
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APRIL 15, 2009 12:57AM

Lainy Goes Meta (or, Laying OS Bricks)

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     I want to know where I’ve been.

     Yes, yes, I’ve married a fine man,[1] raised three boys, taught English, campaigned for Obama, worked hard in a rigorous graduate program for a degree I’ll likely not benefit from financially, and currently endure challenging students in my role as substitute teacher in urban schools, a position I’ve actually chosen and enjoy. So, yes, I’ve been there, in those places. Meh.

      What I really want to know is where the hell I’ve been on Open Salon.

      On so many nights, avoiding bedtime in order to prevent the sun from rising to start the next day,[2] I’ve cruised around laying comments the way masons lay bricks. And it’s always, always, more than five bricks. The problem, as many of you know, is that the good creators of Open Salon show us only those last five bricks we’ve laid.[3]

      I remember very specifically putting “hold” comments on some posts that looked philosophically fabulous, the best kind of fabulous there is, in my book. Based on the titles and a quick glance at the content, they seemed to require deep and disciplined thinking, which my cerebral cortex was selfishly withholding at that moment of contact. What to do? Clever Lainey had just the solution: “I’m rating this post now and making this comment so I remember to come back here tomorrow. This comment will show up on the left side of my blog, and that will trigger my return.” It felt kind of like a layaway policy.[4]

      Well, then I’d run into several “easy” posts like Cathy’s adorable grandchildren or bbd’s photography or epriddy’s poetry, and I couldn’t help myself but lay some complimentary bricks. So my "hold" comments never saw the light of day. Next morning a whole new slate of stuff appeared in front of me, and, poof, I no longer knew the whereabouts of those brilliant philosophical posts I genuinely wanted to read.

 Who are you? Is there anyone out there who remembers my doing that? Please show your faces. I want to read your posts.

      Then there are the arguments I got into but never really got out of, if you know what I mean. If I disagree with someone, I’m honest and respectful enough to say so, but then I always come back to be sure my comment is taken in the intellectual spirit in which it’s offered, not to mention to continue the dialog if the author has something to say in response to my disagreement. These are some of the best exchanges on OS, and although some people prefer not to engage in conflict, I enjoy nuanced argument about the merits of a topic—say economics or the death penalty or war. But when these threads disappear into the ether, incomplete, I often wonder if I’ve been making enemies here as easily as friends. For all I know there are OSers bitter and resentful of my treatment of them.

 Who are you? Does this sound familiar? Have you downloaded a copy of my cold, stone likeness for your dart board’s bulls’ eye? Please, raise your hands. Let me explain…

      Finally, there were the newbies, not necessarily to OS but to me.[5] [6] Talent I discovered for the first time and was blown away by. I laid fancy bricks and swore undying allegiance, promised to be back regularly, even friended most of you. But alas, OS friendships were temporal back then, evaporating without our knowledge or permission.[7] Some of you made me cry or gave me the chills or had me nodding my head in self-righteous, angry agreement or manipulated language so skillfully that I wanted nothing more than to inhabit your brain, to be you.

Who are you? I want to read your work again. I crave the stories or the ideas or the craft that impressed me so thoroughly that first time. Please, let me know if I came to you at night in a burst of adoration, never to be heard from again….

      Does anyone have unfinished business with Lainey? My bad. [8] Help me make it right.  



[1] “He’s not a banker,” she says defensively, “he just happens to work at one.”

[2] This never works for me. Does staying awake as a means of interrupting the Earth’s full axial revolution work for any of you?

[3] All of a sudden I feel like I should have used egg-laying as the metaphor.  It feels timely, having just celebrated Easter and all. You know: “cruised around laying comments like chicks lay eggs” and OS showing us “only the last five eggs we’ve laid.” (Not at all to be confused with someone talking about the last five chicks he’s laid—now stop that right now, some of you. And you know who you are.)

[4] Remember Layaway? Do you think that perhaps our children not knowing anything about Layaway has something to do with the economic crisis we’re in?

[5] This reminds me of the hand-me-downs we got from the girl down the street. We love, love, loved them and called them “our new clothes” even though they were really previously worn by Karen Schwob.

[6] Not that I’m comparing any OS posters with used clothing. Well, I guess technically I am, but you should know that that pale, soft yellow sweater of Karen’s—the one with the buttons that went halfway down from the neck and I wore everyday over my uniform blouse—was far better than new.

[7] Now that we have favorites, well, I can’t imagine OS will let them run off with nary a good-bye. Surely the transition from friend to favorite reflects something other than mere language…

[8] Not really. Do you think that Kerry and the PTB get that the gist of this post is that it's their bad? That us olds need help remembering?

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Hi Lainey! Hell! Thanks for the plug for my adorable grand babies!
I've written a few posts since then so yo're behind! You are so right, though! My posts tend to be so "easy" and over the top maternal and mushy. I swear, I am going to do some edgier, darker posts just to mix things up a bit! I'm staying away from politics and religion, for sure! (remember my first ever post here and your response?!? LOL!) I left it there for purpituity so I never take myself too seriously! Thanks for being my friend through all these months and all these friggin' posts, hic ups, poems, recipes and family photos! See how I just took up so much of your time reading my lengthy comment? I really do understand what you are saying here, in all seriousness and it is noted and appreciated. And check out my new avatar - the beginning of an edgier Cathy! Hah!
I lose track of comments I'd like to revisit for response and lose track of people, too. I'd really like to see at least 10 or 12 of my last comments and that many posts of favorites.
Lainey, so good to see you. I've done that too. Rated to come back to comment later and then forgot. Oh even scarier. I think I made a comment and am indignant when it's not there. Sometimes it's Firefox, and sometimes it's just me. Great clever post.
Kerry hates it when I post late at night and make or second suggestions. But...I too would like more of our comments more easily available, if not all of them. I'll ask TPTB (not me, Kerry or Thomas, but our awesome developers) what's involved and get back to you all.
Well for crying out loud, Cathy, I'm not saying you're easy, girlfriend! I just meant that gorgeous grandbabies are easy on the eyes and don't tax the brain! Remember you still have one dark post outstanding on my agenda--I still haven't brought myself to read it. And that first one--you dog for bringing it up--of course I remember. Now don't anybody go looking for that one.

Truthfully, this was just about how hard it is to keep track of where I've been. Some of us need little reminders. And thanks, Suzn, for visiting.
This such a delightful post. YES, I know exactly how you feel. Your bricklaying metaphor is perfect. I've considered keeping notes to keep track of comments and discussions, but I'm to lazy to do so.

Hopefully, the PTB will feel our pain and make some adjustments.

Rated
MTK: You know what really made me laugh recently? You know how they started putting older posts on the front page? (Still not sure what that's about)--Well, I went to a couple thinking how interesting they sounded, read the whole thing, went to comment on them, and then saw that I'd commented on them when they were originally posted, months before! sheesh.

Joan--thanks for adding--nice story, not being a PTB. Well, that hat certainly makes you seem powerful, in an "I Am Woman, Hear Me Roar" kind of way. But I've been thinking--what about a pirate hat? Talk about powerful. Maybe I'll go put this suggestion on your current post.

Thanks, Brie--me too on the notes, me too on the laziness :)
oh, what i wouldn't give for a way to track my comments! i think it is a fine metaphor too. i've got unfinished monuments lingering under some folks' posts. thanks for voicing this one!!
Well, part of the problem is there are two people on OS using the name Lainey and the same avatar. One of them thinks I'm a crude buffoon, and the other one thinks I'm brilliant. Sometimes, I have a hard time keeping track of which one I'm dealing with in these point/counterpoint exchanges ;-).
right on, Lainey, if there's one thing I'd like changed on OS, it'd be to see more of my comments to make it easier to find those interrupted conversations or revisit threads that promised to just keep getting more interesting
This is brilliant. Really. I love this. rated.
Those are hilarious footnotes. My favorite: All of a sudden I feel like I should have used egg-laying as the metaphor.
This happens to me all the time!! I think, I'll go back and see what's been said and then ... it's lost forever.
Hi everybody--thanks for stopping by. Yeah, this would be my Number One Fix if I were in charge. The temporal nature of exchanges here is less than ideal, imo. I like conversations that last for more than one day. I'm thinking of some of Salon Regular's conversations, like during the primary season, when Joan's column would have lots of us going back day after day. Usually it was a live wire till her next post a whole week later. But we all knew where to go; we knew where to hang out. The fact that there are so many great hangouts here is part of the problem, but I still say that there are disparate groups here (cliques, if you will, but I don't mean it negatively) that would just sort of revolve around a few good posts for a while till it was someone else's turn.
I would love this. Dave's Garden is a site that does this if the PTB need to see some code.
Here's a brick egg - next generation filter: in addition to "all" and "favorites" under "most recent," how about "my comments." I'm no computer genius, but it seems to me if there can be a filter for each person's favorites list, there could be one for all the laying.

As for posts you might like to have time for later, might I suggest creating a folder in your bookmarks called "temp." That way when you know you've landed somewhere to return to after a good night's sleep or second cuppa, you've got your reminder.
I've done the same thing. The only thing that works is bookmarking posts. It would be great if they could show more history of our comments, so here's hoping Joan's whisper to the tech gods works.

FYI, you can find all your comments using Google. Of course if all you can remember to use as a search term is your screen name here, you're in trouble!
OK, I'm trying to understand those last two comments. When you talk about bookmarking, you mean the regular bookmarking in my toolbar, right? Nothing related to OS? And silkstone, I don't know what you mean about finding all my comments; forgive my ignorance. Will they all come up at once somewhere? What do I use to search? I'm confused.
DITO. I've actually wanted to continue the discussion so badly that I don't allow myself to comment on anyone else's, because then I know it will fall off that short rope into the netherworld, never again to be seen. And I'm entirely too lazy to keep some sort of journal by the computer. Anyway, I'm glad we're friends now. I'll try not to disappear.
Yes Lainey - I meant your browser's bookmarks. I do it all the time. I have mine divided into news, weather, shopping sites, etc. Create a new folder (in Firefox - open "organize bookmarks" - highlight the folder you want as the parent folder in the left pane - in the right pane right click and select "new folder" - name it "temp" or a title of your choosing.) The same thing works in the sidebar but if it winds up in the wrong parent folder you may have to drag and drop it to the right location. You can then drag and drop the little OS icon from the location bar above over to the sidebar and drop it right in there. Or if you use the bookmarks menu to create new bookmarks, just choose "temp" or what have you as the destination in the little box that opens up. Hope this helps others too.
Thank you, Stacey. Yeah, I need that "for dummies" explanation :) Much appreciated.
Uh, huh. Yep. Me, too. Yo tambien. It's something that would make a big difference for many of us. Including Joan, not surprisingly.

Anyone who has a flickr account knows how it can be done well. When you go to your flickr homepage it gives you the option of tracking comments since you first signed up or just the last couple of hours and when a comment thread is finished you can click a little button on the comment and it will stop tracking that one. Very flexible and useful. It also shows ALL the comments that follow yours, but as that would probably get unwieldy here, maybe we could just be alerted that there has been some kind of activity since our comment and leave it up to us to go figure out what it was.

I also want to tell you how well written and enjoyable this is. Thanks.
Hey, thanks susan, and you too Julie and Noah and JK and everybody else I didn't mention specifically. But I'm still waiting to hear from the Disconnected Ones. Whom have I dissed these last several months? I'm serious! Oh, and Tom, you know what they say about your type: "When he's good he's very, very good but when he's bad, he's horrid." It seems to me that whichever Lainey comes out is directly to which Tom she sees :) Ha!
you write some of the finest comments I ever see, not only on my blog but elsewhere. the most impressive part is how thoroughly you understand the reading, and your interpretation invariably adds to the discussion rather than takes away. i'm also clear this skill comes to you naturally. it isn't an attempt to curry favor. I think you are terrific.
Well, thank you kind sir. I do love a good conversation, that's true. (As do you, I can tell).
Lainey,

Some sort of tracking for past comments would be great. Stop back by anytime and comment.
;~)
Hey Lainey - I'm late to the party. I missed this post on my favorites feed and am just now stumbling across it.

As has been suggested already, I use the bookmarks feature of my browser (Firefox, of course). I was reluctant to add yet another step to my daily fix, but once you get the habit, it's not so bad. Kinda' like remembering to go back to the top of a post to rate.

I only track comments for a couple of days, but keep a folder of "keepers" for those I think I might want to go back to another time. To delete posts in the bookmarks, I just "right-click" and choose "delete". Right-click is your friend, just like Google.

Either eggs or bricks, could be dangerous left lying around OS. What if someone picks one up and throws it at the EDs?

:-)

Good luck. I'll bookmark, rate and move on now.

-RIF
Great post,
I like what you write.
Thank you Thoth! (Oooh, I thound like I'm lithping!)
Thanks too to RIF and Padraig and Rick :)
Lainey, I love this post. It was one of my first suggestions to have our comments threaded for us to track where we've been and what we've said. My brain certainly needs it. I said that almost a year ago in a comment to a post by Kerry. I also asked at that time, when we were still in beta, and it still would be a good idea, to have one destination to go to to list bugs and requests, and have nearly live responses by the editors or the unsung tech heroes. It's all well and good to shoot off an OSmail to an editor who will pass it along if there's merit, but others would benefit from seeing what is important to you as well.

Anyway, this post of yours is a labor of love, and much more deeply intricate than first glance.

Thanks, xo
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Nice to meetcha. Finally. ;)