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OCTOBER 15, 2008 1:39PM

Interactive or Static?

Rate: 8 Flag

I have an overriding concern regarding the Open Salon upgrade: 

Does Salon want Open Salon to be interactive OR just a place for established/published writers to use for their blogging?

I posture that this may be the crux of the matter. Published authors' great posts are lost often because those of us that are interactive read and respond to each others' posts. I think, but am unsure, that there may be a movement to stop this process with these changes...:(

If this is the case, I would like  to lobby for a New Open Salon. 

 Would those of us that enjoy having our stories read as well as participating in the activity on the threads pay a reasonable fee for that privilege?

I know that I would!

UPDATE:

 How about this format -- Better than what we have?
http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=3286 Sponsored Call
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Top Read (24 hrs)

  1. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=5765    Newest Post

  2.  http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=198         Newest Art

  3.   http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=2018        Newest Fun

    4.   http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=3165     Newest Craziness

    5.  http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=1846    Newest Rant

 Top Rated (Month)

  1. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=5765

    Night of the Hunter (or, The Night My Cat Saved My Life)

    By Gwen Cooper

  2. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=289

    Ode to my Husband

    By Karen Novak

  3. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=2873

    Dangerous Toys at the Edge of the World

    By Gary Justis

  4. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=3165

    God is a close personal friend of mine

    By Freaky Troll

  5. http://open.salon.com/user_blog.php?uid=173

    Good Without God: Could An Atheist Ever Be President?

    By sandra miller

Within this format the Top Rated per month could be swapped around every so often with Most Read per month, or Top Rated (72 hours)? Seems adequate for interactive as well as promoting staying power?!

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As much as I enjoy much of the writing and interaction here, I have to admit I'm unlikely to pay for it. I'm still a Salon Premium member, but the 'pay for content' strategy seems to work less and less.

What I think Salon should do: Enable OS members to have direct say in what gets featured on the Salon.com home page. To entice good writing, Salon should pay the writer of any piece featured on the home page.
After I posted this, I remembered that Salon has a place where you can pay to go to be interactive, or at least they did in the past. I cannot remember as I never particpated, only read about it!
Where have I been? What is the OS "upgrade"? I'm pretty sure I don't want to pay anything...getting paid would be welcome though!
One issue I have noticed is that there seems to be some self-promotion going on here. OS is not a place to promote one's professional work. OS is a place for amateurs to express well-reasoned thought.

I welcome the posts of visual artists who showcase some of their work here, since geography precludes our ability to see their work otherwise, as long as OS is used to share work for pure enjoyment, and not for marketing purposes. I would say bbd and ePriddy are ideal examples of visual artists whose work I welcome on OS, and who use OS appropriately. I know there are more, too.

Getting a stipend for a cover is an interesting idea, but it is not what motivates me. I really don't care about that. On the other hand, if an OS post goes to Daddy Salon, a stipend should be part of it.
Well, I don't know if we are going to get any answers. I really don't want to have to pay to participate, I just do not understand what is happening here just now. It seems that there is a shift being attempted, but I cannot figure out to what purpose.

I think I will update my post to see if there is a concensus among those of us that are concerned about how WE, the active users would like to see things progress? I will try it.
OK, Woof! No, missed your post. I have been out of it this past week. I am just getting more and more frustrated. I will look at your blog after work...I am not making any money on OS, so have to feed my real job, too!
After I posted this, I remembered that Salon has a place where you can pay to go to be interactive, or at least they did in the past. I cannot remember as I never particpated, only read about it!

Are you thinking of TableTalk, their forum?
Yes, TableTalk is right Dragonfly -- don't know if it is similar enough to be worth a look for not! I really like Open Salon, but is it really OPEN Salon, now??? I think so, but I just need reassurance?!
I left tabletalk a while back when they said they'd charge the authors but not the readers. (I recently rejoined only to gain access to do some searches I needed to do for historical reasons, but won't be retaining that membership when it comes up for renewal.) It should be the other way around: Writers, at least those who consistently draw readers, should be paid, or at minimum should not be charged. I'm here for the political season working hard because salon offers me a forum to make a political statement, and that has value. But after the political season, if I'm not treated with respect as a valuable element of the community they want to keep, I won't be posting much if at all any longer.
Hi Kent,
It is funny that I just sent a reply to your message that said pretty much the same thing you are saying. I like OS, but it is time consuming beyond the point of enjoyment now. It used to be a LOT of fun. Now, too much work for the fun. Kindof like eating crab. Sometimes I feel like having a taste even though it is a bit of work, other times, I can't be bothered to work that hard for a little bit of fleeting pleasure.
Lisa, do you still have crab on your mind after my sexy crab post? You're right--OS is very time consuming and somewhat addictive. I'm not ready to give it up.

Well, of course I like your idea--I was in it...so vain I know. I do miss the 24 hour most rated column--I'm missing a lot of my "friends" posts and this is what has been more time consuming, because I'm looking my friends up by search.
Yes, Mary, that is exactly what I am saying -- it takes a mega-search effort, or clicking on friends blogs to find their newest work. It is time-consuming to the point of being a hindrance.
It's interesting how vested we all are in OS and it's apparent paradigm shift. I've said it before and don't mind repeating: OpenSalon is presented as a venue for the synergy of reader-generated content and social networking. Great idea, excellent companion to salondotcom, should (and apparently is) generating more traffic and ultimately a new revenue stream for the company.

However, if its purity of purpose isn't maintained, it will lose its current cache and become just another commercial blogging site. By purity I mean focus on amateur writers, or on semi-professional ones whose work is dedicated to OpenSalon. The ever-growing preponderance of pro writers on the OS cover who provide material as bait to lure us to their own sites does us and Salon a disservice, draining traffic and potential retention.

But, no matter what we all say or do, this is their business and they'll figure it out. We can stay or go, our choice.

I've said this before too: when breakout pages come (if that's still in production), we'll be much better able to navigate the site based on our interests in specific subjects and writers.
I think that "FREE" is highly overrated. It doesn't have to be expensive. I pay for Salon, just as I do for magazines. I don't mind at all.

I am finding it more difficult to keep up with the posts where I posted a comment and that is really disturbing to me because OS then loses the feel of conversation, immediacy and spontaneity that distinguishes it from say, Huffington Post.
Thanks, Sally and Susanne. I think we have been heard -- YEAH!!!

Thanks to Kerry and Thomas and Joan and whoever made this lovely decision -- the BELOVED feeds that encourage interaction are BACK and MULTIPLIED!!!! HOORAY -- IT IS A WONDERFUL DAY! ;)
FYI, on TableTalk, it a forum, like Slate’s Fray, not a blog place like OS. It’s more a conversation with short posts (a few paragraphs), responding to short posts. They charge to participate, as a Salon Premium Member I get as part of my subscription, so I don’t know how much just a TableTalk sub costs.
Well, there you go, Dragonfly -- I am Salon Premium member and didn't even know that was a perk. I just like the free magazines and no pop-ups!