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AUGUST 16, 2011 10:49AM

Submissive Housewives

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            I would never make it as a submissive wife. I bristle at the terms "let" and "allow." As an autonomous, independent person I make my own decisions. I may discuss those decisions with my spouse but it would never cross my mind, or his, that I should have to ask his permission on any subject.
 
            Last week, conservative columnist Byron York sparked a chorus of boos in Iowa last week by asking Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, As president, "would you be submissive to your husband?" Despite widespread media outrage over this supposedly "sexist" question it seems a fair one to ask given Congresswoman Bachmann's own public statements on this issue.
 
            In a 2006 speech before the Living Word Christian Center in Brooklyn Park, MN, Bachmann stated that the only reason she decided to was in order to submit to her husband's will.
 
            "My husband said, now you need to go and get a post-doctorate degree in tax law," Michele Bachmann explained, "Tax law, I hate taxes. Why should I go do something like that? But the Lord says, "Be submissive." Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands. Never had a tax course in my background, never had a desire for it. But by faith, I was going to be faithful to what God was calling me to do through my husband, and I finished that course of that study."
 
            It seems that submitting to her husband's will never sparked any real desire in Michele Bachmann to devote her life to tax law litigation. According to a story published in The New Yorker, Bachmann gave birth to two of her five children in her four years as an employee of the Internal Revenue Service, taking full advantage of the generous parental leave policies offered by the IRS to its employees. During Mrs. Bachmann's tenure only one case with her name attached ever made it to trial. After the birth of her fourth child, Mrs. Bachmann left the paid workforce to be a stay-at-home mom and, later, to inflict herself upon the nation as an elected official.
 
            Bachmann defended her remarks by stating that "submission" is synonymous with respect and perhaps in the Party that believes, "We create our own reality," that is so; but in the Reality Based Community where most of us reside the two words mean totally different things. In the Reality Based version of the Merriam Webster Dictionary, respect is defined as, "high or special regard," while submit is defined as, "yielding to governance or authority."
 
            That wives must submit to their husbands is a basic tenet of fundamental, evangelical Christianity. Proponents of this world view argue that it is not an abusive stance because husband and wives are to consider each other as Christians first and spouses second and if they just keep this in mind all will be well.
 
            In the fundamentalist, evangelical worldview women and men, husbands and wives, have two very separate roles. A man's role is to be a provider and a leader. A woman's role is to bear and raise children while helping the man in every way become everything he can be, to, in the words of Bob Deffinbaugh of Bible.org, "assist her husband in the task of godly dominion." The wife is to be, "the manager of the home," but the husband is, "manager of the wife." For a woman to submit to her husband, in this worldview, demonstrates, "obedience to Christ."
 
            Although husbands are instructed to "use their authority with love," with the same love Christ showed the Church," wives, by their unique natures, are seen as saviors of bad husbands. Proponents of submissive marriage cite the Apostle Paul that, "If her husband is disobedient to God and even if he misuses his authority, even then the wife is not justified in refusing to submit. In fact, this just gives more reason why she should submit, so she can set him a good example."
 
            Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission told ABC News  compared a possible Michele Bachmann arrangement to Queen Elizabeth who reportedly defers to Prince Philip on matter of the royal home, to rather mixed success. Of course the example of Queen Elizabeth, who is no more than an expensive figurehead, akin to a Lalique hood ornament on a vintage Rolls Royce, might not be the most apt of analogies.
 
            Land also referenced John F. Kennedy and his Roman Catholicism when people were raising the possibility that Kennedy would be submissive to the Pope and that, if elected President, the Vatican would be allowed to steer United States' policy.
 
            John F. Kennedy addressed this concern on September 12, 1960 in a speech given before the Greater Houston Ministerial Association.
 
            "So it is apparently necessary to state once again not what kind of church I believe in,  for that should be important only to me,  but what kind of America I believe in." Kennedy told the assembled Ministers, "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state or absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell a president, should he be Catholic, how to act, and no Protestant minister would never tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him." 
 
            In contrast, Michele Bachmann has referred to separation of church and state as, "a myth," and has championed public funds being funneled to religious schools and "faith based" programs administered by churches.
 
            Despite later insinuating that he was responsible for an epidemic of Swine Flu, Michelle Bachmann supported Jimmy Carter when he ran for President in 1976. So much so that she and her husband, Marcus, attended  President Carter's 1977 Inauguration. In 2000, Jimmy Carter resigned his membership in the Southern Baptist Convention after being a member of that denomination for 60 years citing Southern Baptist's unequal treatment of women increasingly rigid beliefs in the role of women in the church as motivating factors in his decision.
 
            Carter revisited his decision to separate from the Southern Baptist Convention in a 2009 op-ed for the London Observer "The words of God do not justify cruelty to women," Cater reiterated, The view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or an excuse for the deprivation of women's rights across the world for centuries."
 
            Can such compartmentalization even be possible? Not according to Minister Bob Deffinbaugh who writes, "When Paul speaks of the wife being in submission to her own husband, in everything, he means that she need never cease to be submissive in spirit, even if she must disobey him in a specific area. He also means that wives should not attempt to compartmentalize their lives, setting certain areas "off limits" to submission. One can quickly see how we as members of the church would be tempted to do so in relation to our Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. The wife's submission to her own husband is to be complete, across the board, without exception." 
 
            "What submission means to us," Michele Bachmann answered Mr. York, "if that's what your question is, it means respect. I respect my husband. He is a wonderful, Godly man and a great father, and he respects me as his wife. That's how we operate our marriage We respect each other, we love each other, and I've been so grateful that we've been able to build a home together."
 
            Respect and Submission are two different things and what Michele Bachmann and her submissive sisters can't say is that they are truly equal partners in an egalitarian marriage instead of "separate but equal" partners in a submissive marriage. Respect born of submission is the same sort of respect that a dog learns for it's master and shares the same theological underpinnings that produced Warren Jeffs and an army of female "J-slaves" for Michelle and former Republican Arkansas State Rep, and public submissive marriage proponent, Jim Bob Duggar.

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This is very well written, so I am sorry to say - it just makes me feel ill. I just don't get how she is a serious candidate. Ok, well, I do get it, but I don't *get* it. Thanks for writing this.
A lot of good points! Rated
Sometimes I wonder about the buddhist belief that a woman cannot be a buddha, she would have to first be reincarnated as a man. Society, religion, marriage seem to be another way in which the male ego imposes his self-centric view upon the world and tries to justify it in the name of the heavens he created in his image. Then, I realize, the buddhists perhaps aren't so wrong. In order to live and survive as a woman in this world, we must yield so many things, must become attached to so many people (husbands, children, parents) that it would be almost impossible to avoid all attachment and personal tending to others. It would be almost impossible for women to pursue this and still be able to raise families, which is essential for the propagation of the species no matter what religion you are in.
As to Bachmann, she is a great example to "her kind". Sadly, she mistakes all of us as foster children needing a good Christian home to be raised in.
I am following this campaign like a bee on honey. She just fascinates me, but not in a really good way. I am a progressive non-evangelical Christian, and I fully understand the concept of respect in a partnership. I have been with my spouse for more than a quarter of a century and there was a time when we didn't spent over ten dollars without consulting the other, but it went both ways. How she can get away with what she says and does is beyond me. I wrote about this on another site as well today. Good job, Laura, comprehensive and excellent.
So what do you think she does? Everytime something comes up she calls him and says "hey honey"? Neither one would get any work done and she wouldn't keep a job or get elected.
So what do you think she does? Everytime something comes up she calls him and says "hey honey"? Neither one would get any work done and she wouldn't keep a job or get elected.
So what do you think she does? Everytime something comes up she calls him and says "hey honey"? Neither one would get any work done and she wouldn't keep a job or get elected.
So what do you think she does? Everytime something comes up she calls him and says "hey honey"? Neither one would get any work done and she wouldn't keep a job or get elected.
So what do you think she does? Everytime something comes up she calls him and says "hey honey"? Neither one would get any work done and she wouldn't keep a job or get elected.
Both Bachmann and Palin strike me as not having the gravitas for the position and as inherently unelectable. Huckabee is a bit light in some areas, but struck me as a potentially serious candidate. I have a sense that the Republican establishment, to the extent that there is one, prefers to see the social conservative vote represented by a candidate or candidates that are unlikely to win the nomination.

I would actually be more worried if the Republicans came up with someone with roughly the credentials and skills of Carter.
it -as absolutely a fair, nay, NECESSARY -uestion.

it's also one that should be put to that other fundy loon female candidate if she e-er stops fooling around and declares her candidacy. These ladies are scary enough but jeezus think of them as puppets for marcus and diriderot-guy...
The Bible does in fact tell men to treat females; their wives and daughters, as their property. (a great place to read-up on Bible info: http://www.EvilBible.com) Yes, there are parts about respecting them, the whole idea that two parts make a whole, etc, but to have hiding behind that, that a woman better not talk out of turn or in church would get her beaten (in the bible) seems to me that there is not real equality between men and woman. A few things to focus on: through out history, conservative Christians come out the loudest and against equality , frequently using their "word of god" to prove that woman have less rights and are unequal to men; woman shouldn't vote, get an education, work outside the home, wear pants, etc. all against their "god's will" even to some in todays world in the USA. Sarah Palin voted against closing a loop hole in a labor law that would allow woman to get paid the same as men doing the same job a few years ago, and just by watching any commercial, movie or tv show, it is apparent, in the USA, woman are not considered equal. One more big part to pay attention to in today's current anti-woman Christian ideology: the anti-abortion movement the "right" has pushed since the Democrats won the WH. It seems whenever a Dem is in the WH, conservative Christians come out of the wood work (out from under their rocks), and tell us all how immoral the other party is, how un-American, and un-Christian we are. This gets the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, pro-Zionist, pro-Gun, and pro-Patriotism = America being a Christian nati0n ideology flowing full throttle, and "extreme" is to gentle word to be used to describe this horrifying movement.
Doesn't that disqualify women as candidates, then? I don't think she can have it both ways.
Christian women I've known who were scripturally bound to submit to their husband's "headship" used to say that "the husband may be the head, but the wife is the neck". You can be sure that Michelle Bachman's hubby is as whipped as a man can be and whatever she says about their marriage, he'll go along with.
Thank god BDSMer's don't follow the Bible then. :/
I could never marry a submissive woman and I didn't. My wife is loud and proud and I love it. I just don't get it all.To me is seems kind of stupid. A marriage is about respect for your partner, not about telling them what to do. If I tried to tell my wife to do something she didn't want to do, I'd have to remember 1 word "DUCK". The crazies are taking over and it is scaring the crap out of me. BTW the article is well written and informative, Thank You for the good work.
Interesting, post. I knew nothing about her, actually, except that I find her unfit to run for office. Another Stepford Wife, I fear. Rated.
Great article...of course it is total bull when she backtracks on the meaning of "submission"...I have fundamentalist aquaintances who believe a wife must be submissive to the husband, and I've never understood why a woman would stand for that for one minute....
Loved this, great post. York's question was absolutely appropriate in context. And of course the submission = respect response will go down as one of the lamest responses of the Republican primary season--and that's saying alot. The best way to trip up Bachmann is to go after with what's already on record. York did a good job of that.
I've been following the Republican primaries a bit and I haven't heard of this before now, though I can't say I'm really surprised.