Leigh Bailey

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SEPTEMBER 2, 2008 10:45AM

Sarah Palin is Lying--Again

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Okay, let's break this down:

1. Upon being accused by the Daily Kos of NOT being the mother of 4-month-old Trig, and accused of covering for her then 16-year-old daughter by claiming the child as her own, VP candidate Sarah Palin responds  NOT by releasing run-of-the-mill medical records which would name the obstetrician, the pediatrician, the on-call anesthesiologist, the nurses--in short, records that would name the dozen or so people who would have witnessed and could attest to the truthfulness of Palin's assertion that she did, in fact, give birth to Palin on April whatever, and St. Whatever Hospital in Wherever, Alaska.

 Nope. To prove she is Trig's mother, she makes a public statement that, in effect, only serves to make it "impossible" that her daughter Bristol is Trig's mother, by asserting that Bristol is "five months' pregnant," making it "physically impossible" that Bristol is Trig's mother.

Think this through: Let's assume Palin is telling the truth: She's Trig's mother, and Bristol is five months' along.

If Palin had wanted to end all speculation about her maternity, the logical, simple, and irrefutable thing to have done would have been to release her own medical records, which would have provided virtually indisputable proof of the fact that she--and not Bristol--was the mother of that child.

And in releasing these records, she could easily have spared her daughter the embarrasment of being outed on an international scale as a "fornicator," and a teen mother.  In other words, Bristol's current pregnancy is entirely irrelevant to Palin's authenticity as Trig's mother. So if she's telling the truth and can prove it, why bring Bristol into it at all? Why throw your pregnant, teenaged daughter under the bus and international scrutiny if you don't have to? If there's another, simple, honest way to end the potentially damaging speculation?

The simple anser is, there is no good reason.

Here's the timeline--let's see if it makes sense to anyone else.

According to the Daily Kos, Bristol left school under doctor's orders because she was suffering from mono, at a time that would have coincided with the end of her first trimester, were she in fact Trig's mother.  She stays out of school for eight months, which would make sense assuming a second and third trimester and a month or so to recover her pre-pregnancy figure.

Bristol is photographed in an official family portrait taken in approximately November of 2007 sporting a noticable "baby bump." She then disappears from public view.

In March 2008, Palin pubicly  "acknowledges" her pregnancy. All reports quote staffers and press who have been in contact with Palin over the past several months as expressing "shock" that she didn't "look pregnant at all."

Yesterday, the Daily Kos pulls together several videos and photographs which seem to suggest that Palin wasn't "showing" in any recognizable way, despite this being her purported fifth child.

In April, ostensibly eight months' pregnant, Palin flies to Houston to deliver a key-note speech at a Republican convention. Sometime prior to her speech, she claims her "water broke," meaning her amniotic sac had ruptured, which is--as any woman who has gone through labor at least once knows--an indication that delivery is imminent.

Rather than go to the hospital to undergo what ANY OBSTETRICIAN IN AMERICA would describe as a "high-risk" birth, she stays and gives her key-note address. No one in the audience discerns any distress on her part, despite her assertion that at this point, she was in early labor.

(Note: I've had two kids. I've been in early labor. I could not have held a coherent phone converstion much less delivered a keynote address, in labor. But then again, I'm not Sarah Palin.)

But I digress: She ends her speech and travels immediately--NOT to the nearest state-0f-the-art Houston hospital where her Down syndrome baby could be delivered safely, but...to the airport. Where she boards a commercial flight with a duration of some 9.5 hours, back to Alaska. Complete with a layover in Seattle.

NONE of the attendants on that fligh recall Palin as being in any distress--or even physical discomfort. In fact, none of them remember remarking Palin's supposed pregnancy at all. But maybe they were just a particularly unobservant crew, even thought the governor of the flight's destination state was on board. I'm sure they barely noticed her at all--a 44-year-old governor, 35 weeks' pregnant,  in preterm labor, with a security detail and her husband and assistant and press aide in tow. They'd be easy to miss, don't you think?

Some 2o hours after her water broke in Houston (in first mothers, you start to get worried at 12 hours. In a high-risk pregancy, you worry immediately. In a fith pregnancy that's considered high risk, you don't even travel after month 7), Palin and her entourage arrive in Alaska and deplane. They then get into a car and drive past not one but TWO state-of-the-art medical facilities that could have handled a high-rist delivery of an at-risk infant with flying colors. Instead, Sarah Palin opts to push on for an additional TWO FULL HOURS so that she can "deliver her son Trig" in a podunk hospital in rural Alaska, "attended" by her friend and political appointee Cathy Baldwin-Johnson.

There, she delivers Trig.

Three days later, Pailin returns to work and announces that Trig has Down syndrome. She claims that she and her husband knew of the child's condition prior to his birth and chose not to terminate the pregnancy in keeping with their "prolife beliefs."

And there's where it gets even fishier: If Palin in fact did know that her child had Down syndrom and that the delivery would have been considered "high risk" for any woman because of the medical complications that arise for Down syndrome infants, ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston?

Why wouldn't any of the hundreds of people she would have encountered that day remember a woman in recognizable labor?

And finally, why, in an attempt to dispel once and for all the rumors that she was not in fact Trig's mother, would she not release innocuous and accurate medical records attesting to that indisputable fact and instead impugn her own 17-year-old daughter?

IF Sarah Palin is Trig's mother, Bristol's "subsequent" pregnancy is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to that fact. Totally. Brig's maternity is a matter of medical record, which is easily released and utterly indisputable.

But the only defence Palin's camp can put up is not proof of her own maternity but the supposed "impossibility" of Bristol's maternity of Trig. Which is an extremely roundabout way to prove the point, and simultaneously throws her teenaged daughter under the bus by making her pre-marital teen pregnancy an international news story.

One more time, PALIN outs her daughter as an unwed teen mother IN DEFENSE of her own maternity of Trig. If she were Trig's mother, there are absolutely indisputable ways to prove that (the release of her medical records) that don't impugn anyone else.  There's no reason to "prove" that Bristol "couldn't be" Trig's mother.

And if Palin is Trig's mother and can prove it, WHY OUT HER DAUGHTER? Why subject her 17-year-old daughter to public humilation if it wasn't absolutely necessary?

The answer? Because it was. There are no medical records that can prove that Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother, because she isn't.

Mark my words, one of three things is going to happen post-convention, and none of them are good for the McCain campaign:1. Palin will drop out of the race without acknowleding maternity of Trig and cite the "pressures of preserving her family's privacy and integrity during a tryint time" as reasons.

2. Palin will admit to the subterfuge and drop out of the race citing protection of her daughter as her motive,  and then promptly agreed to an exclusive sit-down with Barbara Walters to give the "Palin side of the story."

3. Palin will continue to lie, until demands for irrefutable proof of her maternity overwhelm the campaign. She'll either produce, or she'll opt for No. 1, or 2.

Okay, once again because I'm not sure how clearly I've made the point: When faced with the politital obligation to verify one's own maternity of a child, why would anyone incorporate the medically and factually irrelevant fact of their under-aged daughter's unwed pregnancy as proof if they had ANYTHING ELSE to offer?

If Sarah Palin DIDN'T HAVE to make her daughter the object of scrutiny to prove she hadn't lied, why in God's name would she do so?

 And that, as they say, is the the proverbial Fat Lady singing.

 

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You know, I have to say that I think the blogosphere (and in this instance the liberal blogosphere) has sunk to a new low about this.

By repeating what amounts to a despicable rumor and trying to make news that isn't there - ostensibly to smear Sarah Palin - you're pulling a Karl Rove.

Rove, as you might recall, led the smear effort of John McCain in 2000 by creating a rumor and amplifying it that he had a black child out of wedlock.

This isn't intelligent discourse. It requires not one ounce of creative or intellectual effort. It looks small and petty. And it is downright cruel.
Yeah, you kind of should lay off the girl. No matter how intriguing the argument might be, this is a conspiracy theory. It is totally speculation and rumor based, and even if this WERE true, it should still be ignored because you're fueling fire regarding a 17 year old kid and you should really lay off her. Not fair game. Let it be.
I don't think Palin made put her daughter under scrutiny. Everyone else did. And I don't see any evidence of her lying.
Powerful piece of writing!
As much as this story gives me the heebie-jeebies I don't see it going away easy any time soon. The Majors have got the scent and in a few days they will have nothing, no conventions, no international sports, to feed their salacious addictions.
I'm with Laura & David on this one. Heebie-jeebies, man!

I've seen more than one source come up with a possibility #4: Bristol has a miscarriage blamed on the liberal media smears.
Ohhh bad kitty!
According to the Anchorage paper, Trig Palin was born on April 18th at the Mat-Su hospital in Wasilla. But if you go online to hospital births for April 18th, you'll find 2 births listed, neither Trig. This isn't an all speculation based concern; the facts aren't supporting each other. It's perplexing that Palin didn't announce her pregnancy, that there was no news about it until she was supposedly 7 months along. Palin could easily put to rest the rumors by supplying minimal medical records. The confusion surrounding the birth of Trig can be attributed to more than conspiracy theories from blogs. For one, her credibility is already worn on some political matters.
This is going off into loony land. Now that we know that Trig isn't her daughter's kid, who else's child could he possibly be? What on earth would motivate a woman in her position to pretend to be the mother of someone else's kid (besides an underage daughter)? It is FAR more plausible to me that she was simply careless about her pregnancy.
There is a huge difference between a Rovian smear and speculation, whether that speculation is off-base or on. Rove is about the media equivalent of guerilla tactics: a well-placed rumor here, a disingenuous comment there, with virtually no backup. Leigh's post is about a establishing a factual public record where a dubious one has been offered by a public servant. If this timeline is right, I think it casts a reasonable doubt, which can be quickly and easily cast aside by Governor Palin. I don't personally care who was pregnant when; I just don't think politicians should get in the habit of lying to cover up, on either side of the aisle.
Fascinating. Funnily, I don't see this as picking on Bristol Palin. It's all about Sarah Palin and christ, if she didn't expect scrutiny once she accepted the position of running mate then what did she expect? Sometimes when you smell a rat there really is a rat. And it's hard not to think there's quite a whiff here.

One thing that might be notable though is that having a baby with Down's syndrome is a lot more likely when the mother is over 40.
Why would she "out" her child? Uhm. Let's see. She's five months into this. The media already may be onto it. September, October, November. Count. The teen is going to start showing. I'm with my candidate Obama on this one. It's out of bounds, gang. Lay off the kid story.
Even if the other child is the teen's, I'd count this as a white lie that a mother would make.
The Governor may well drop out to protect her family from media -- and blogger -- scrutiny. It's grotesque. I'd never enter such a fray for that very reason.
I wonder if there is another reason she isn't releasing her medical records yet. Perhaps she has another sort of medical condition that might also serve as an embarrassment and they are working to decide how to spin that condition.

Interesting theory. I'm still holding back on an opinion.
BTW - the family said Bristol was "about" 5 months along. It should be noted that a non-breastfeeding mother is warned by their doctor that a second pregnancy can occur before the return of regular menstruation, even within the 1st month after giving birth - a fact that women who are not educated about birth control may very well not know.

So... that fact that Bristol is pregnant at "about" 5 months along, 4 months after Trig's birth, is not really solid evidence that she can't be the mother.

However, the true tragedy is the stigma that is inflicted on this young lady and other teen mothers by the societal condemnation. Like many other situations in the American way of life, we are instructed to live a certain way and then not provided the support to do so and/or the real life facts are ignored, ie., say NO to Drugs, abstinence only sex ed, two income families but no supporting infrastructure, etc...

This story brings to light the ugly underside of America and serves to highlight the continued work that needs to be done to support women, children and families in general.
I was inclined to dismiss the story originally, especially since Downs Syndrome is more likely to occur with women over 40. Now, I'm not so sure.

That very long flight from Texas to Alaska was very peculiar. Not something that an "experienced" mother of then 4 children would be likely to do, after her water breaks, especially knowing about the infant's high risks.

And then there's the 4-month old infant, and the supposedly 5-month pregnancy. Those numbers don't make it impossible. Of course, as others have speculated, a miscarriage could be part of the script now.
Whatever the truth about Trig, there certainly are a number of very strange facts about the case -- facts that Sarah Palin herself has talked about. There are a number of things that are difficult to reconcile.

But more to the point, I have a hard time understanding why a woman with a pregnant 17-year-old daughter would decide to put herself in the national spotlight, knowing that the spotlight would eventually illuminate her daughter's situation. So what starts as an "open secret" in a small Alaska town ends up being national news.
Even if it is her daughters, it still is none of our business. Seeing liberals talk about this kid of stuff makes my stomach go into convulsions.
Stellaa, I totally agree that Bristol ought to be left alone, but please remember it was her own mother who announced to God and everyone that the child was pregnant.

I can see absolutely no logical reason to do that. None.

If Sarah Palin is telling the truth and Trig is her child, again, SHE can prove that fact without bringing her teenaged daughter to the table at all--even if Bristol IS pregnant.

But PALIN brought Bristol into this when she entered her daughter's pregnancy as evidence. And that's pretty cold blooded, in either case.

In addition, the vast majority of Down syndrome kids are delivered to women UNDER 35, because genetic testing isn't routinely done on younger women. This would further go toward supporting my theory that no one knew Trig had Down syndrome until after his birth.

Palin never mentioned her unborn child's condition, which is understandable, prior to his birth. However, her behavior around his "delivery"--the travel, the speech, the very long flight, bypassing excellent medical facilities in favor of a very small, very remote hospital--make no sense for a woman who knew she was carrying an at-risk child.

I think Palin claimed Trig as her own to spare her daughter. I think she got away with the lie in Alaska and even passed the smell test with the McCain campaign's vetting committee. I am convinced she figured it would fly with the rest of the country, and when she realized she was really, really wrong about that, she produced the only "evidence" she could that would buy her some time prior to the convention--the "fact" of Bristol's pregancy.

Finally, there's a photo (I'll see if I can embed it) taken just a few days ago of Bristol getting off the campaign bus, carrying Trig. She's wearing a fairly snug dress, and her belly is as flat as a board. So either she's NOT pregnang, or NOT showing, which would again call into question why her mother chose to make her pregnancy public.

Like I said, there's only one explanation--and it's a simple one--that makes any sense here.
Leigh's post is not about Sarah Palin's daughter. It is about Sarah Palin.

Because so little is known about this woman, Leigh brings up a fair concern. It is not so much the content of the post, but rather bringing up an issue of honesty and integrity on the part of a Vice-Presidential candidate who is a heartbeat away from being President of the most powerful country in the world.

Leigh's post is fair.
Here's my thoughts on this whole thing!! No matter WHO the mother is, Sarah Palin is NOT fit to be VP! Because EITHER she is LYING and covering up for her daughters baby, and passing it off as her own, and we do NOT need another politician who starts off by LYING about family values, but then tries to shove her family values down our throats!
OR the other scenario is: she IS Trig's mother, and she was RECKLESS, CARELESS and had NO concern for HER or her BABY's well-being, by traveling all the way back to AK DURING LABOR, an extremely DANGEROUS labor at that!! Being her 5th, a HIGH-RISK pregnancy, AND just the fact that once the ambiotic fluid starts leaking there is risk of infection, and this baby is already a dangerous birth, all equal RUSH TO A HOSPITAL when your water breaks!!! NOT a SPEECH, a couple of CALM flights, and a NICE LONG DRIVE, totaling MANY, MANY hours AFTER starting labor! That makes her IRRESPONSIBLE at the LEAST, and downright STUPID at most! NOT the kind of person I want as VP, and as everyone puts it, a heartbeat from the presidency!!
This election is horrible no matter who you support, because BOTH candidates are TERRIBLE choices for this country! No matter WHO wins, we are in TROUBLE!! Obama is a slick-talking con-man, who manipulates and brainwashes everyone into thinking he is some kind of messiah, PLUS Biden who has said NUMEROUS times that he does NOT want to be VP, would not accept it if offered, and would rather stay in his current position!! OH but NOW he wants it! Yeah right! NOT! I don't want a VP who could care less about BEING VP....what kind of job will HE do???!!!
Then we have McCain, who is a joke all around, and WAS just a TINY bit better choice than Obama, UNTIL he picked Palin!! NOW McCain/Palin is the absolute worst choice!! Palin is beyond a joke! No experience AND THIS scandal PLUS the trooper scandal! Geez, what kind of scandals and PROBLEMS will she bring AND CAUSE in the White House, and in our country!!
So, again, no matter if she IS or ISN'T Trig's mother, either way she is proving she is a TERRIBLE mother, has terrible thought processes and shows NO responsibility!! WHAT A JOKE!! I could care LESS about Bristol, or anything talking about HER, or ANY of the other children themselves!!! I am ONLY concerned with Sarah, and how she handled ALL of this, and her supposed 'family values' that she intends to SHOVE at ALL of us!! She has NO place in ANY government, much less as VP! This whole election is the WORST EVER!! I wish we could actually ELECT a third choice, but I know not enough people will be smart enough to do that! What a SHAME!
Let me try again. The kid's gonna show. The media found out. Her enemies in Alaska were leaking. There's reasons. I can't see how you're missing that.
This blog should be used in journalism schools to illustrate how the media is covering, not only Palin, but the world in general, in 2008.

[Stellaa, people like us are not going to triumph over people like the author of this blog;...the world is theirs.]
I don't think Palin can win either way.

Either she is lying about her daughter and exposing her to unwarranted public scrutiny to further her quest for the Vice President's office or she is a horrible person for putting a soon to be born child at risk by getting on a plane and delaying the birth of her child for 20 hours.

I have some sources on the ground in Alaska who are both in the medical profession and who live near the Mat-Su hospital so I'll see what I can find out.

Anything I do find out, however, must be treated as hearsay and second hand stories. It is not something that can be considered usable in a court of law.

The court of public opinion, however, is a different story.
This is a weird and unsettling series of decisions made by a supposedly rational, mature pregnant woman. It is scary if true.

If it was my wife, I would be extremely upset and wondering what the hell kind of woman I was married to. I would definitely question her ability to care for my children. Wow. The more I think about it, it's almost criminal if something bad would have happened.
it is both sad and skeevy, but it isn't idle speculation on Britney or Paris or the MILF in your kids' pre-school, we are talking about potentially the next President of the United States...

in summary, she either:
a. endangered her pre-born son's life by flying across the country in her 8th month of pregnancy and once again while she was in active labor
or
b. she faked it to protect her daughter (which many might consider honorable)
[and then threw her dd under the bus to further the cover-up]

just saying...
good judgment out the window all over the place
This post is really quite interesting on the face of it. I haven't looked into all the info on the Trig pregnancy, but it would be quite a shock to find out it was all subterfuge.

I agree with one thing, Palin saying she had to mention Bristol's pregnancy in order to refute internet rumors is utter bullshit.

Gov. Palin put her daughter's situation into the limelight, for no apparent good reason. Is there any reason Bristol has to be making public appearances during the school year anyway? The public outing of Bristol was not needed under the rationale presented by the Palin campaign for the reasons outlined by Ms. Bailey here.

The illogic of the Palin campaign may well be rooted in some Alaska wierdness that we in the 48 contiguous states can only barely understand.
Steve,

if those were the reasons, why didn't Gov. Palin advance those reasons? Why dignify a preposterous rumor with such a response that entailed outing her daughter?

Also, why couldn't a seventeen year old highschooler stay home in Alaska in relative privacy? Would that have been so out of line?

There was a much classier way to handle Bristol's pregnancy than the one chosen by Sarah Palin.
Fred, I like Stellaa, and respect her opinion, and presume she likes me as well, as she invited me to lunch.

And in fact, I was a journalist, so I understand far better than you may about what's reportable and what isn't.

My main concern is why Palin outed her daughter in her own defense. That simply doesn't add up to me, and I don't like it.

I didn't invade Bristol Palin's privacy, her own mother did. That's reprehensible, and more relevant than whether or not she birthed the baby in question.

I agree with Stellaa--completely agree--that Bristol deserves privacy and respect for her situation, whatever that may be. Apparently, her own mother feels otherwise.
As an American citizen , I am tired of being lied to by politicans. Even though the details of the birth of this wonderful baby is really only a private matter of his family, lying to the American public by a politican running for the second highest political office in the land is simply wrong under any circumstances. Period. Any arguement that suggests otherwise gives permission for our elected officals to lie and mislead the people they serve. This is unethical and is Un-Christian. If Sarah Palin is Trig's mother then let her simply prove it by releasing the records and move on. Truth should not hide and the sooner we hold our elected officials to a standard of truthfulness, the sooner this great country will continue to solve the greater problems of our time.
Stella -- How is this any different than the many ways the government wants to invade my private life? How is it any different than Sarah wanting to dictate a style of sexual education on my myself and my kids? Or what books to ban? Or what drugs I can and cannot take? Why is it ok for the government to invade my privacy but not ok for the public to the same against a politician? Especially when it can reflect on the character and judgment of that person?

Regardless if this a liberal political attack or not, the information is out there and any sane and intelligent person should come to the conclusion that something isn't right with all of this. This entire conspiracy theory can be squashed in about 10 minutes by the Palin camp -- but their solution, as the author is pointing out, makes absolutely no sense.

The sad part is, it doesn't matter at this point. If Trig is her kid, she showed horrible judgment on how to delivery him and if it's not her kid, she showed horrible judgment by hiding it.
"And if Palin is Trig's mother and can prove it, WHY OUT HER DAUGHTER? Why subject her 17-year-old daughter to public humilation if it wasn't absolutely necessary?"

Are you kidding me? Seriously, how did you ever get a column. It was the left wing bloggers that publicly humiliated her daughter with the accusation that it was her baby and not Sarah's. Blog after blog ripping that poor girl as a liar an the mother as a liar.

Do you honestly in believe in your little deluded world that they would not have gone after the daughter again bringing up her pregnancy as a judgment on the mothers parenting skills? It was in their interest to do the announcement rather than let a bunch of pathetic bloggers who have a sole interest in life in personally tearing people down, go after her again.

Seriously, I'm embarrassed to be in the same party as you and the others. There are so many issues we can tackle Palin on. We can stand toe to toe with her and her political ideas, and that's what the election is about, her policies and her visions. Lets discuss her issues on birth control, on sex ed, on international policy. Lets talk about her views on social programs.

What do we get instead? Babygate. Thank you, idiots. You've sent a message to the world that we can't debate issues, that we have no backbone, that we are so afraid of this woman that all we can possibly do is attack her children.

Please do us all a favor and shut up. This is EXACTLY the type of garbage I'd expect from Karl Rove aimed at a Democrat nominee. It's the type of character assassination that we decry when it's done to us.

How dare you make sport of a 17 year old girl. Obama has said it and Biden has said it. KIDS ARE OFF LIMITS. PERIOD.

Grow a spine and learn how to debate a real issue and stop spending your time trying to dredge up conspiracy issues because you can't hold your own in the realm of political ideas.
Sanders, take it elsewhere. Palin's public--extremely public--announcement of her daughter's out-of-wedlock pregnancy is what's over the top here. Not anyone else's questioning of it.

As I said, I was a newspaper reporter--not a columnist--for many years. This is neither a newspaper nor a column, it's a blog. And I'm quite free under the Fourth Ammendment to ask any damn question I please.

I am sorry you're unable to make a distinction between me, a lowly and virtually invisible blip daring to speak of Bristol Palin or Sarah Palin's pregnancy and Sarah Palin herself using her daughter as a shield.

And you don't even know what party I belong to, now do you?
Very interesting deconstruction and I am quite embarrassed to admit that the issue of medical records never even occurred to me. D'oh! That should would have been a simple way to lay the rumours to rest.

As to your last comment, Leigh--you GO, girl! :D

Christine
Point to you, I did make an assumption as to the political party, just as you made an assumption that she's using her daughter as a shield. You honestly think the bloggers were not going to trounce on that poor kid again when they discovered she's pregnant? Look around, there's already speculation in the comments on this very page that the daughter gave birth to Trig and is now pregnant with yet another child.

So, you're a public figure who has a daughter that's been the subject of vicious speculation that she gave birth to a child and then hid it and Mommy covered for he. She's now visibly showing a current pregnancy. Are you going to assume people are going to let it go and not talk about it, or are you going to announce it on your terms before they get another round of assaults in on her?

Well if it was you, apparently you would not talk about it at all and you'd let the internet have another round at thrashing her and THEN address it after the fact.

The fact is, the daughter should never have been an issue at all and continuing to make her one as you are doing is cheap mudslinging at it's best.

"(Note: I've had two kids. I've been in early labor. I could not have held a coherent phone converstion much less delivered a keynote address, in labor. But then again, I'm not Sarah Palin.)"

No you're not. Apparently she was back at work the next day after previous children but perhaps her daughter gave birth to those too.

This is not to say you should be back at work the next day and is by no means a slight on any woman taking time off, everyone is different. If anything the current healthcare system perpetuates "drive through" pregnancies. Then again given the number of people that die in hospitals each year due to complications and malpractice, maybe they are doing them a favor, but I digress.

I know people that have had major surgery that were up and around doing many things they were not supposed to be doing the next day while other people complained they couldn't move for a week after the same surgery. That doesn't make it some conspiracy which says they didn't have the surgery.

Mike Ditka had a heart attack while coaching a Chicago Bears football game and should have gone to the hospital right away but instead waited until after the game was over. People are often poor judges of what's good for them when it comes to their own health. If that wasn't true, we wouldn't have an obesity issue in the US.
"If Sarah Palin DIDN'T HAVE to make her daughter the object of scrutiny to prove she hadn't lied, why in God's name would she do so?"

Again, you're completely in denial that her daughter was ALREADY the object of scrutiny. Sarah Palin did not do that. Please get off the whole "It's Sarah's fault her daughter is news." It's not.

Where do people get off questioning if someone's kid is really theirs anyway?

Look at the title of your article.. "Sarah Palin is Lying--Again"

What you're saying is that you still think she's lying about her first child. That's fine, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

Likewise as a public blogger, I get to talk about you, and I don't have to take it elsewhere. You put yourself out there, which means you're articles are fair game. I don't have to resort to personally attacking you, because I don't personally know you. Honestly I haven't read (that I know of) anything else you've written. Some of it might be brilliant and I might agree 100% with it, but you are completely totally over the line on this, and judging by the comments, I'm not the only person that thinks so.

She has zero obligation to prove that's her daughter to you, or anyone else that asks anymore than you have to prove you gave birth to your kids.

That's fine however lets spend a few weeks of news coverage talking about this rather than the issues that will ultimately shape America based on which candidate gets elected.

On a side note, despite my utter disagreement with you, thank you for taking the time to reply, I know blogs can pile up quickly with comments and while I think you're utterly wrong here, I still appreciate that you took the time to read it and respond rather than letting it go to the bin.
Leigh said
"ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston?"

This might seem somewhat cynical and crass but what if the medical records show that Gov. Palin was pregnant and DID know that the child she was carrying was a Downs Syndrome baby. Is it too much to think that perhaps it was her plan to cause the child to be stillborn thus getting rid of all the bother of raising a DSB. After all abortion is "out of the question". Unfortunately for her, Trig survived (ouch) thus starting the need for a cover up.
Does me even thinking this mean I've joined the Wacko Fringe? Or do I just watch too much TV? Or as Billy Joel says "You may be right, I may be crazy..."
Great post, Leigh. I keep asking myself these same questions over and over and can't get a feel for the truth, other than the fact that we're not getting it.

Dave, relax bud, it's a blog. I don't know you from Adam but you sound like you're going to blow a gasket. Deep, cleansing breaths, my friend.
ˆ√ˆ WOW facts be damned! Even the good readers of OS are hell bent to see only what they already Believe. KarlRovian indeed! Your peice is perhaps only too (redundantly) assertive of what are some pretty damning pieces of evidence. As long as this timeline is ideed verifiable, we have ourselves a lier here. A lier and a fornicator. A mother's instincts aside, in what way is this crazy invention intended to protect the daughter. By delaying the evident commission of "the act" by a couple of months?? Can Holy America forgive a 17 year old for out of wedlock fornication but NOT a 16 year old.??? Should America accept as one of Palin's supermomisms the completely reckless and quite frankly ilegal behavior of boarding a flight while in labor.??!!? (I am going to put myself out there, but as I recall, airlines don't accept passengers beyond 8th months of gestation just because no one wants a baby being born in the seat next to them. ) SO please, Leigh, continue your responsible reporting. Journalism and the everlovin' Blogosphere exsits for this purpose. note to Palin supporters: Bill Clinton supporters probably remember the moment when we had to let go of any hope that Mr. Clinton had indeed NOT ever been with "that woman." But we did let that go. AND YET lying about an affair with a arguably unattractive aid makes sense. This is a total whack job toying with the American public, and crucifing her own daughter in the process for nothing other than personal political gain. Can you really continue to defend that? Peeps?ˆ And while I don't actually care at all who had this baby, since I don't have a problem with out of wedlock parenthood, but I do have a problem with lying cheating and hypocracy. How can a whole political wing contintue to preach what they never do seem to get enough practice at. Why is abstinence not good enough for them..Dammit. This IS a political issue people. Reproductive rights of all American women ARE at stake on this ticket. This is NOT irrelevent to the election. Bad news McCain and Palin aplogists, this is a valid topic for the blogoshphere. So sorry.

as you might notice, I was ignoring this media horror show pretty much up to now. Britney's sister and Palin's daughter can keep their babies and their indiscretions, heck they can start a baby mommies group and invite that Juno character to join it. But this isn't that. This is another case of frightenly valuless behavior masquerading as piousness. I have had too much of this sh#t already. This truly puts our confidence to rest.
Like some have already noted, I don't care that Palin's daughter is pregnant. I sympathize with any 17 year old faced with such a life altering decision. I've had friends who faced a similar situation--and I can't claim not to have spent a few nights in fervent prayer to a previously-rejected God to spare me the same fate. I have to say my initial take on this entry was pure gut-wrenching disgust. We take way too much glee in another's pain. After giving it some thought, however, I have to admit there is SOME merit to focusing on this issue. Not on whether Palin was irresponsible for getting on a plane--can we just assume she isn't addle-brained? Can we agree even Republicans love their young and wouldn't deliberately endanger them? I shudder to think what the world would look like under a McCain-Palin administration. Would I have to force my pregnant daughter (I don't have one--prayers answered!) to marry her teenage boyfriend to appease someone's notion of right and wrong? I care about this only to the extent Palin and friends want to impose their vision on the rest of us. But can we please not lose our humanity while we are at it?
That's fine, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it.

Yes, I surely am. Thank you for acknowleding that.

Look, on a purely personal note, as I've stated here and elsewhere, I am the mother of two absolutely lovely teenaged girls who are the lights of my life. I understand being a mother very, very well. And I understand teenaged girls pretty well too, having been one, and being the process of raising a couple.

IF Palin faked a pregnancy to cover for her daughter, on a personal note, I couldn't really blame her. People make complicated, messy decisions for complicated, messy reasons and I would have no trouble believing that her heart was in the right place.

But when called to lay to rest the "ugly rumors" surrounding Briston, Palin did not take the logical, protective course of action and issue proof of her own maternity. Instead, she announced Bristol's pregnancy.

IF Bristol is pregnant, how much choice do you think she really had in making that fact known across the entire planet? How about the ostensible father of her child--an 18-year-old kid whom Palin ALSO named?

THEY aren't running for public office--Sarah Palin is. THEY are veritable children; she's an adult. Her disclosure of their private lives only served to further HER career, and her ambitions. Palin exposed them to this kind of scrutiny, both with her outing of her daughter yesterday, and her acceptance of the VP nomination days before.

What does this say about what kind of person Sarah Palin is? For all my faults (and they're numerous), I would lie down in front of a truck before I'd subject either of my daughters to something like this.

And Palin's character, her ability to empathise with other people, the lengths her ambition will allow her to travel, are all fair game when one considers that there's a good chance she could be the next leader of the free world.

Incidentally, I was furious with Bill Clinton for lying to a Grand Jury. Furious. I couldn't have cared less about the blow job (and don't care whether Palin faked a pregnancy to protect her daughter either) but I really, really really DID care that Clinton lied to save himself embarrassment, and impugned the reputation of a young, naive woman with absolutely no regard for the fallout this would cause in her life.

All of that is simply to say when it comes to presidents or potential presidents, I very much do think character matters. And this, all of this, every bit of it, calls Sarah Palin's characther deeply into question.
Conspiracy or not, something isn't right here. Nothing like a good public vetting.
I think this is a well composed time line that clearly shows the holes in a story that was thought to cover up for a small time politician... She had no reason to believe that in a few months she would be up for VP in an historical Presidential race no matter who won it. Period, there was no reason at the time to act as if she was pregnant because she had no way of knowing that she would be in the national lime light 4 months after the birth. The fact that she did bring her own daughter into it to quiet the rumours I have to question as well. That could have been done in a completely different way, it seemed like a knee jerk reaction- She could not have been pregnant then, because she is pregnant now? Uh, kind of puts the same issue out there. If she was pregnant then and it would have been a scandle, it would be more of a scandle now! I will not judge the child for getting pregnant, things happen, parents do not control everything, but if Trig is hers, they would have done better just to come right out and say it in the beginning and said this is how our family handled this, it is right for us, it might not be for everyone, but stuff happens and you deal with it. That would have shown that even when thrown with a curve ball she can handle it.
http://www.adn.com/626/story/382864.html

It's all there to read, from the time of the birth. Her own OB-GYN told her she was NOT in active labor and it was safe to fly home.
Except, Linda, the doctor isn't on OB-GYN, she's a general practitioner. And Palin's friend and a Palin political appointee.
Occam's Razor, folks.

ANY candidate needs to disclose full medical records. I for one want to see McCains full medicals (yes I understand there are 1700 pages) including any workup for Alzheimers. This goes for Obama and Biden, and certainly for Palin. You dont get a pass to be on the big stage just because "its not fair." You want to represent me and my country to the world, you need to tell me who you are (objectively). This is not left or right. Its that simple. Tell us who you are. And provide backup because my job as an informed voter in a representative democracy is to be skeptical.
I can understand not wanting to disclose one's medical records. I understand it -- that might be some other can of worms.

But doesn't everyone take pictures of the new mother and baby in the hospital? Maybe not the birth itself, but in the bed and tidied up afterwards, at least at some point before leaving the place. Mom glowing, babe all red and wrinkly, you know.

You'd think those photos would have been tossed out as a challenge by now.
just for the record...there was speculation about this in Alaska before the dailyKos got into it...check out this tidbit...note the dates...

I wish I knew how to link, but it's from "the google":
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/apr/22/palins-flight-labor-falls-under-scrutiny/#comments
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4/22/2008, 7:25 p.m.
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I'm a lady. This has been going on for four days now and I'm pretty sure even I'd be sick of the attention from strangers by now. I mean, it's not like it's an election year.

Do you know what I learned from my mom? Not to be fake.
THIS IS NOT A LEFT WING CONSPIRACY
I BELIEVE THIS IS CERTAIN. NOT ONLY IS THIS WOMAN EXTREMELY CONCERVATIVE AND PROLIFE SHE IS CONCERN WITH IMAGE. I THINK THE FAMILY WAS SO CONCERN HOW THIS WOULD LOOK TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD SO THEY KEPT HER OUT OF SCHOOL OUT FROM PUBLIC VIEW. THIS TYPES OF THING USE TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, NOT LATELY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T TREALLY CARE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT ANYMORE . THIS FAMILY SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE DEEPER ISSUES GOING ON THAN THIS.
IN THE STATEMENT RELEASED TO THE PRESS THE "BABY DADDY" WAS OUTSTED. IS HE THE REAL BABY FATHER? I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING MORE SINISTER GOING ON IN THAT HOUSHOLD. "LEVI" HE SEEMED SO UNATTACHED TO THAT FAMILY HE SEEMS LIKE HE IS NOT IN HER LIFE AT ALL.
AND ANOTHER THING ALL OTHER APPEARENCES BRISTOL WAS ALWAYS HOLDING THE BABY AT THE CONVENTION LAST NIGHT I NOTICE EVERYONE BUT BRISTOL WAS HOLDING THE BABY. WHEN I SEE HER HOLDING THAT BABY IT'S NOT LIKE A SISTER IT'S LIKE A MOTHER. NO ONE SEEMS MORE CONFORTABLE WITH THAT BABY THAN BRISTOL. THE ESTIMATION OF THE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY ARE SO QUESTIONABLE JUST A MONTH MORE THAN THE BABY AND IN TIME FOR THE ELECTION.
PEOPLE WITH THESE EXTREME BELEIFS AND A PROFESSIONAL PERSONA WILL DO ANYTHING TO HANG ON TO THEIR PERFECT IMAGES. INCLUDING LIE ABOUT THE MATERNITY OF A CHILD.
Tiffany, posting in all capital letters does not actually make what you're saying more credible.

Please don't do that anymore. It hurts my eyes. Thanks.
When I was 28, I had my first child. This was not high risk pregnancy, as a matter of fact, it had been trouble free and rather easy, up to the point my water broke. I did not go into labor, my water just broke. I called my doctor, and she told me to get my ass to the hospital right away. Remember, I was not 44 years, and I was not carrying a Down’s Syndrome baby. Even if you completely believe Palin’s story, not being seen by a medical professional for 22 hours does call her judgment into question. If this woman is going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency, she is going to have to answer questions about her judgment.
Another 2 cents….

Superwoman she may be, in this case the facts don’t add up and something stinks in her explanation. Getting on an airplane for 20 hours after her water broke? Come on. Sarah has already demonstrated her world is centered on herself and she would have made everybody known of her predicament, if for no other reason to receive the appropriate political attention.

That’s said, normally I would agree that family matters including children should be off limits. But in this case, she provided the information, repeated it many times and now is using it to demonstrate her own moral value. That makes her fair game and unfortunately she tossed her own child under the bus, so she gets a good look to.

Be patient folks, the information will leak out and we will son know the truth.
Good work, Leigh. I hope Sarah Palin can just show Trig's birth certificate so we can all move on. I think most of us want to move on.

Another reason I think the story is worth investigating is that if Trig is Bristol's daughter, and there is a possibility of statutory rape. Nobody is above the LAW and criminals should be punished.
I wrote a short piece about this, at least the early part of the story. My observation was when the family was first introduced, every time baby Trig was shown, he was being carried by Bristol. I think that over the first weekend, I caught about three glimpses of Bristol at different state rallies, and never saw anyone else hold the baby.
It just seemed odd to me, when even the father or the mother never held a 4 month old baby. They seem to be a prosperous group who should be able to afford a baby carrier, which I assume would not only be more comfortable but safer for a special needs infant. And yet every camera shot was of Bristol with the baby in front of her.

Now I don'have the exact timing of this but I think it was sometime Sunday that this story broke: The only one in the family who knew what was happening per the V.P. deal was Sarah. When the family first flew into Ohio (Thurs.?), they all thought they were going to some type of family thing. Please remember that this is all a big secret they want to use to screw Obama out of even one day of afterglow from his speech Thursday night. The campaign has already announced this big suprise for Friday morning, so now they can't let anything - or anyone - get in the way.

Now let me just put this scenario out there. The family finally knows that Mom is going to be the V.P. nominee, and everyone is blown away, except maybe one - Bristol. You see, Bristol's been carrying a secret. Here's a teenage girl who's been hiding the truth from her "Morals" Mother. Again, I don't have personal experience but I think a young woman could "hide" a pregnancy for up to five months. Heck, Sarah claims to have not announced her pregnancy until she was seven months along.

But every lie comes undone, and now Bristol find herself in Ohio on the night before her Mother becomes famous. Because the "Secret" means more to the politicos than any family, the family now finds out that all their secrets are going to come out as well. So Bristol tells her Mom about her baby.

Again I ask you to keep in mind that no one else in the country knows any of this, but they are up against a "hard" timeline to roll out Sarah and the family on Friday morning. They've made a big deal out of this, and failing to produce the big surprise would make them look incompetent.

The "Suprise" is the key to this whole deal. The reason the campaign didn't "vett" the family is that snooping around a small town in a small population state surely would have tipped their hands. Remember that John McCain, up until a few days before, meant for the surprise VP to be Lieberman or Ridge. But it seems he's not as "Mavericky" as he'd have you believe, because he's been called by Carl Rove and told the ReChristians will walk out on him.
So now it's Thursday night, they're down to hours before the suprise, the press is going nuts, and now this girl is going to screw up their whole deal. What to do, what to do?

Well, let's do this. We'll roll out our big surprise and introduce the family and the candidate just as planned. Just to make sure no one gets too nosy, have Bristol carry the baby in front of her for the first few campaign stops to get the buzz going. They know there's a hurricane coming Monday, and if they have to let the secret out, do it Monday during the storm, or wait and see what happens.

Well, the storm broke alright, but it broke in the Daily Kos.
As evil as these McCainites are, they also got lucky, and they got their reason and excuse to throw Bristol "on the bus"!
As an extra bonus, they can now feign dismay at the awful media, (whom they so enticed only Friday morning) and declare any more attempts to get at the truth as an attack on the family.

The trouble with their little lie is that if anyone in our society keeps good records, it's doctors. There will be a record somewhere. If Sarah knew she was having a special needs baby, that information is in some Doctor's office. One would think that a birth certificate could resolve this whole affair on Sarah's part. If Bristol is five months along, has she not seen a Doctor yet? Family values, indeed.

I hope that everything the Palin's have told us is true, and I'm sure they will certainly not mind posting a few incidental medical reports to reassure the country.

As to those of you who find such 'conspiracy' beyond the pale, let me just remind you that the same type of operatives who will lie a country into a war will have no compunction about lying to win an election. This is for the real power. If this blows up in their face, they lose everything. They will not go without a fight.

"Bristol's Carrying Two Babies" 9/3/08 1:23 PM
I don't have a position on the truth or falsity of this story per se. But, on the ethics of the media covering it, here are my thoughts:

1. When people offer themselves publicly as the authors of rules of morality for others to follow, they open themselves to scrutiny of this kind and may not use privacy to shield themselves. This woman is touting abstinence-only education as a theory of how to create a harmonious society, and so facts related to how well the theory works and what kind of experience she has in this area is completely material. Likewise she offers her pro-life theory as part of the complete package, so understanding whether this is a voluntary thing (practiced by her) or a forced thing (perhaps imposed by her on a teen minor) is material to know.

2. She brought her family into this, the public did not. That's lamentable, but it would be inappropriate for the public dialog to be allowed to include only positive statements about her and not admit any inquiry about negatives. As with a courtroom case, we need to either have a witness admitted not only for evidence and cross-examination, or not at all. Since the evidence is on record, let the cross-examination proceed.

3. It's good and proper that Obama should suggest that it's not any of his business. It isn't. His business is to tell us the platform he's running on. But it's the public's business to examine both candidates, and this is between Palin and us (the public). If he wants to get involved not as a candidate but as a voter (since he does vote), then of course I think that's fine.
I've been beating this drum for weeks now. I agree, Leigh. I just don't think Gov. Palin gave birth to Trig. The way she tells the story doesn't add up, and the additional evidence to support the "conspiracy theory," while circumstantial, is compelling and damning.

Either way, it calls into question her personal judgment. And I believe 100% that if Bill Clinton getting his lolly licked by an intern is the stuff of national security interest, then a potential coverup of this scale perpetrated by a sitting governor absolutely is as well.

If she didn't birth Trig, has she committed a crime?
I have been a nurse midwife for 15 years. When it's your fifth baby, and your water breaks. You have your baby and you have it FAST. I don't believe Palin either.
Couldn't have said it better, Laura and Dave!!! Damn it all anyway!!
Do you freaking remember that there is such a thing as right to privacy, dignity, family and good old fashioned American freedom to protect your loved ones in a manner fitting of your maternal instincts and your right to live your own life.
I am so close to abject nausea that I could find myself lealving the company of this web site for a long time.
Your attack on one of the most dignified, classy, caring, dedicated, hard working mothers and public servants, disgusts me! No matter your political leanings or views on teen pregnancy, or over 40 pregnancy with all it's risks and infinite love for life, you have really gone over the top and should be dropped into a deep precipice where your perverted thinking will be lost forever...never to return.
SHAME ON YOU!
Truth for Fame

People trade truth for the fame,
It’s part of the political game…
Yet God never lies, with love comes surprise…
A child belongs to the same.

What perplexes me more is the thought
That God wants us in wars that we fought…
What part of God’s will , In thou shall not kill
Is justified now with what’s sought.

People trade truth for the fame…
So wrapped up in their self centered game…
That they’d compromise love and lock up a dove…
With a series of lies, that’s insane.

People trade truth for the lies…
That are harder these days to deny…
And the bigger it grows, Concerns tragic impose…
Youthful innocent lives you’ve denied.

If keeping America safe,
Relies not on issues, but faith…
I’ll place “In God we trust”
At the front of a must
To vote for two men with such grace.
Cathy, I'd attempt a response, but your comment doesn't make any sense.

I mean, I understand the individual words, but when you put them together like that....
I can't believe no one has yet demanded the videos of the Governor's Conference in Texas. There are always videograpers all over these events; she gave a speech; let's see the 8-months-pregnant, water-broke, in-labor lady in action!!

There are videos of her delivering that speech.

And what about all the other participants at the conference -- did she look 8 months pregnant at the time??

Though, even if so, it is true that she could have been wearing padding, so this isn't definitive proof. But if the videos show her looking slender and lithe, well, that IS definite proof that she's a liar. And, more importantly, another bit of evidence that abstinence-only doesn't work.

I'd like to add my vote to the box labelled "Anything an anti-choicer does is fair game." She presumes to stick her fingers into the most inimate corners of the lives of millions of total strangers based on her personal opinion about "when life begins," well, she had better be prepared to get FULLY examined herself.

Pro-lifers deserve NO privacy!!
It must require a huge bottle of “gall” for all the pro-life, family value and Republican faithful to decry Leigh Bailey’s thesis. The GOP invented the politics of hypocrisy and duplicitity. Based on the facts, conservatives and Evangelicals should be admonishing Sarah Palin for putting politics and personal ambition ahead of her family. If this was a Democrat, they would be swarming on her like bees on honey.

Sarah Palin needlessly involved her daughter Bristol and her pregnancy in the campaign. Sarah Palin either made irresponsible, life-threatening decisions with her unborn child or she lied about her pregnancy and the child being hers. Sarah Palin preaches different standards than she lives. Sarah Palin has repeatedly lied and distorted the truth on other matters. You don’t have to scratch deep to see that Sarah Palin is unfit and unqualified to serve as the second highest ranking official of our country. The GOP is extraordinarily powerful; the truth may never be learned.

For a party that professes “America First” and a Republican ticket that self-describes themselves as straight talking mavericks seeking a change in politics as usual, you would think that they would embrace truth, openness and transparency. But I guess we all know by now that Republicans only apply those standards on others and not themselves.
And there was no mention of Trig Palin on the podunk hospital's birth announcement page: http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/nursery_name.php?start=90&step=30&count=503. Apparently, this page is no longer accessible, but the page is cached somewhere in cyberspace.
I don't know that I have an opinion one way or the other on the personal lives of these people, but just as a matter of argument, the nurse midwife who posted earlier has a point. If it's her fifth baby, special needs or not, the odds are she's popping that kid out in a few hours after going into labor. And leaving the water broken for so long and not going to the hospital ... that seems insane. Are these all verified things that happened? Is this stuff part of her statement? Because, if so, I'd guess she lied to cover up the baby being her daughter's.

But then again, honestly, her politics are what make me not want to vote for her. And she's lied about her policies and the bridge to nowhere so we don't need the lies from her personal life, if they are lies, to see that she's a big, fat fibber.
I haven't thought about this topic in quite a while, probably not for two weeks but it suddenly occurred to me how very strange it still seems and is anything new happening, so I came across this blog. I have felt from the beginning that the entire scenario will end with a miscarriage that has the republican party saying that the "miscarriage " has been caused by the "mean" media. These people are liars. Everyone knows it and no matter what happens they will get by with a very definite pass. Can you say racism? How very sad that so many Americans will actually put our wonderful country at risk by voting McCain / Palin because they aren't "sure" about a black man. There is a brilliantly written piece by Tim Wise at
http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege that really speaks to all of this and it is a shame that the people who need to read it will probably never even see it.
It is also a shame that some of the totally gross and disgusting things that McCain has said will never be mentioned really because they are too gross and disgusting.
I was very disheartened until I saw that we women are starting to protest. That is true empowerment.
Thanks for your blog.
ann
Funny, you actually have a relatively good theory.
If they can tell us VP Dick's heart condition, and name the Dr, and the hospital, why would something as simple as maternity paper be hard to come by?
Because there are a number of skeletons floating in Sarah Palin’s big closets!

As to chucking her daughter under the bus, how very republican. It's actually a common practice to send young unwed mothers off to "birthing" homes. Up until the 60’s unwed underage moms could still be forced to give up the child. Often the Nuns would lie and say the baby died. Only to be sent off to an orphanage.

Why?

To save face for the rest of the family.
I'm not surprised.
And I agree.
I think Trigg is the pit bulls pup. Looks like a "hockey" baby to me.
That should be "isn't the pitt bulls' pup" damn. no edit!
No, this isn't a "non issue". This could be exactly why Sarah Palin, Todd Palin and John McCain are stonewalling and trying to cover up whatever it is that Ms. Palin has tried so hard to hide. Since day one when Ms. Palin put her daughter out there the rumors started. Who payed, Bristol. Her mother nor McCain said anything leaving this kid to fend for herself against the world with gossip (maybe, maybe not) .
IF this is the issue the now known ticket as stated by Ms. Palin as the "PALIN / McCAIN" administration yesterday is what she is hiding, then get it out and NOW! Someone has to produced Trig's birth records, if there is nothing to hide, then DO IT! The only reason not to to produce them is she lied and lied and lied and DID toss her daughter under the bus over and over again. Shame on her.
You conspiracy theory fails. There was no way Bristol's pregnancy was going to remain a secret, so Palin chose to kill two birds with one stone - squash the rumor AND release Bristol's condition on her terms. I despise Palin, but this is ridiculous.
odetteroulette said:
"And leaving the water broken for so long and not going to the hospital ... that seems insane."

Right, and a woman of the obvious good judgement demonstrated so far by the Palinator could never do anything so insane.

Seriously, I think the Trig-is-someone-else's theory is just too farfetched. She was trying to cover up the pregnancy and she did some pretty dumb things, endangering herself and the baby in the process. I don't see that there has to be more to it than that.
Also, the chances of a 17-year-old having a Down's baby are ~ 1 in 2000, but for a 44-year old they're more like 1 in 20.

So given that the kid has Down's and with no other data available, it's 100x more likely that the baby is Sarah's than Bristol's.
pontificatrix, Conditional probabilities are not the same as after-the-fact analyses. Now that the event has happened, it's either true or it's not. The lack of likelihood of the matter doesn't change the truth of it, it's just a substitute for other data. And if it were true, that would not be outside the realm of possibility.

When data was requested to confirm this, the obvious and compelling data that would end speculation was not offered. It's POSSIBLE for people to have a genuine interest in privacy. But every other aspect of this woman's life that she's proud of is on display, and this one detail is not.

Let's suppose, just for grins, that I were in possession of a statistic that said that in this situation, it's 100 times more likely that they are claiming privacy because they have something to hide. That wouldn't mean anything either. It would be either true or not, and the statistical likelihood would not make it otherwise. And yet, it's possible that the statistical likelihood of this syndrome is at odds with the statistical likelihood of lying and grabbing for easy cover.

I always advise people to set a pattern of always telling the truth so that if a case comes to question, people will be likely to give you the benefit of the doubt. The problem here, though, is that the pattern that Sarah Palin has set does not engender confidence.

This matter would seem private to me if I didn't think her poised to install and enforce law making intensely personal decisions for other people on the matter of family and parenting, or to appoint people to the bench that decides whether existing laws are just. If she were keeping her nose out of other families, my nose would be out of hers. If she wants to be The Vice-Decider, I want to know about her vices... Probabilities are nice, but there is no substitute for knowledge and this is not a matter on which I want to gamble.
Incidentally, speaking of water breaking, Watergate seemed similarly far-fetched to ordinary people. But the people who aspire to the highest offices in the land are often people who are very driven and don't see the world as we do. When Watergate finally broke (sorry, bad pun), there's a reason everyone was shocked. It seemed unthinkable and, more than anything, so unnecessary.
I think a record of birth is a Public Record, isn't it? That should put this to rest, unless of course she has someone at the PohDunk hospital covering for her? Now that would trump even Watergate if she did that! How can the birth be checked on with the hosiptal or with the doctor that delivered the baby? The birth Certificate should be Public record, right?
I don't know about you, but I want to know the truth. I keep running the facts through my head and trying to make some sense of what is going on or what went on or more importantly what is going to go on.

I didn't pay any attention to the media coverage at first, because I thought it was, as Obama said, "off limits". That felt right at the time as Bristol is a child. Besides, the whole Palin thing seemed so ludicrous. But as Palin becomes more popular, there is a nagging sense that something is really wrong. It reminds me of my previous marriage when I sensed that my husband might be cheating on me. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. I had to review the facts, determine whether or not I was being paranoid. You know the drill. It turns out he was.

So I decided to check into the Palin thing myself. After some “goggling” I ran into many dead ends. At one website the story is gone. The story generated over 1,900 comments and it's gone!

Look for yourself, http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137ed

I watched the very popular youtube.com submission and the retraction from the author, who now claims that he believes that Sarah Palin is the mother of Trig based on one photograph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBjwZ93n6Q Curious!


I ask myself why do I care? Why is this story running through my head as I try to get to sleep at night? After several days of obsessive thinking about this, I know. I care because I am concerned about the character of Sarah Palin. Is she a liar? Or more accurately, how big a liar is she? We know that she has lied about other things. Is she lying about her daughter's pregnancy, Trig’s birthmother and if so, why?

I wish that someone would put this story to bed. She's not willing to substantiate her claims. The Dems. won't touch it. So where does this leave those of us who are concerned about the character of the, God forbid, next vice president?

I have come to the conclusion that this story should not be off limits. She is now a very important public figure. If the media and the government can investigate Bill Clinton's sex life, why can't the public know the truth about Palin?

I'll tell you why, because she's a woman and she has to be handled with kid gloves or someone may yell sexism. I am a woman and I don't think it is the least bit sexist to question a public figure's character. This is why I would never run for anything. It’s that whole misspent youth thing. Actually, this is a throw back and it hurts women in the long run. If women are equal to men then why can’t we scrutinize a woman as we would a man? Think about John Edwards. He didn’t get any slack and he was proved to be a cheating liar.

Please correct me if I’m wrong. It would be a relief to be able to say to myself, “Oh, I get it. He’s not cheating. My bad. I’ll go clean the toilets now”.
I don't know about you, but I want to know the truth. I keep running the facts through my head and trying to make some sense of what is going on or what went on or more importantly what is going to go on.

I didn't pay any attention to the media coverage at first, because I thought it was, as Obama said, "off limits". That felt right at the time as Bristol is a child. Besides, the whole Palin thing seemed so ludicrous. But as Palin becomes more popular, there is a nagging sense that something is really wrong. It reminds me of my previous marriage when I sensed that my husband might be cheating on me. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. I had to review the facts, determine whether or not I was being paranoid. You know the drill. It turns out he was.

So I decided to check into the Palin thing myself. After some “goggling” I ran into many dead ends. At one website the story is gone. The story generated over 1,900 comments and it's gone!

Look for yourself, http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137ed

I watched the very popular youtube.com submission and the retraction from the author, who now claims that he believes that Sarah Palin is the mother of Trig based on one photograph. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBjwZ93n6Q Curious!


I ask myself why do I care? Why is this story running through my head as I try to get to sleep at night? After several days of obsessive thinking about this, I know. I care because I am concerned about the character of Sarah Palin. Is she a liar? Or more accurately, how big a liar is she? We know that she has lied about other things. Is she lying about her daughter's pregnancy, Trig’s birthmother and if so, why?

I wish that someone would put this story to bed. She's not willing to substantiate her claims. The Dems. won't touch it. So where does this leave those of us who are concerned about the character of the, God forbid, next vice president?

I have come to the conclusion that this story should not be off limits. She is now a very important public figure. If the media and the government can investigate Bill Clinton's sex life, why can't the public know the truth about Palin?

I'll tell you why, because she's a woman and she has to be handled with kid gloves or someone may yell sexism. I am a woman and I don't think it is the least bit sexist to question a public figure's character. This is why I would never run for anything. It’s that whole misspent youth thing. Actually, this is a throw back and it hurts women in the long run. If women are equal to men then why can’t we scrutinize a woman as we would a man? Think about John Edwards. He didn’t get any slack and he was proved to be a cheating liar.

Please correct me if I’m wrong. It would be a relief to be able to say to myself, “Oh, I get it. He’s not cheating. My bad. I’ll go clean the toilets now”.
I am ashamed to admit it: I find this issue morbidly captivating. However, the guilty-conscience side of me thinks there are enough legitimate, politically-relevant reasons to pick this woman apart and show the world she's not White House material without dragging her - and/or her daughter, and/or her son, and/or her grandchild - into the fray. I know she's used this issue as political leverage herself - what, having decided tokeep the down syndrome baby and all - but really, she's a moron in her own right, regardless of her reproductive history.
"And there's where it gets even fishier: If Palin in fact did know that her child had Down syndrom and that the delivery would have been considered "high risk" for any woman because of the medical complications that arise for Down syndrome infants, ON TOP of the fact that this was her supposed "fifth" delivery, why would any responsible mother chose to travel for 22 hours in active labor rather than check into a world-class medical facility in Houston?"

Um, maybe because there are ways of having an abortion, and ways of having an abortion without having one?

I don't believe Bristol is Trig's mother. But I do believe a smarmy, scheming, self-serving hypocrite like Sarah Palin would play fast and loose with an unwanted pregnancy. "Ooops! Oh, well, we lost the retard!"
.Helen,

Your suggestion that Palin may have been trying to abort her child at the last minute, while appalling, makes me wonder. As horrible as that scenario is, I hate to say that maybe you are right. I don't know. Unfortunately, I have to consider the woman we are discussing. I not sure what she is capable of, but this doesn't seem, based on what we know about her, to be implausible. Sad but true
The thing is, we're not alone in our suspicion. Andrew Sullivan (though he, like me, is prone to going off the deep end sometimes) is still pursuing this story. In fact, he straight out asked the McCain camp to provide some kind of proof--like a birth cerficate--of Palin's maternity.

Needless to say, they declined and instead forwarded Sullivan's request to the Washington Post, who spanked him for making it.

But I'm still with Sullivan on this. There's something rotten in Wasilla, and it isn't Trig's diaper.
I'm glad that you are staying on top of the story. I'm not surprised that Andrew was brushed off. If there is not a problem here, then what's the big deal? Produce the birth certificate.
I am inclined to disagree with assertions that Palin is stupid or "a moron". I think she's of average intelligence and is simply overwhelmed by what has happened to her these past few months. I won't be voting for McCain-Palin, but I do feel a bit sorry for her. (That doesn't mean she shouldn't give full disclosure. She's in a fishbowl now and she made the choice to be there.)
Stop it. This has climbed to the top of the most-read articles in Open Salon, just as stupid and irrelevant "theories" about Obama rise to the top in the worst of the smarmy right wing rags. I actually wasted a morning yesterday searching the web for any more damning "evidence" on this old story. There is none, one way or another, and it's been around for quite a while. I felt that I'd slimed myself by having bothered to chase it down again. What if it turned out to be true? (I think it's a very far reach -- connect-the-dot theories like this are as dubious as they are ubiquitous in the Enquirer armpit-regions of journalism.) What if? So what? Would we want to win a campaign on the back of a stupid and distracting scandal, or on the back of our candidate's genuinely redemptive ideals? Would we want to hear that Obama won because of some messy story about a pregnant teenager?? This is the sort of thing that has helped to sink the McCain campaign. Rightfully so. They'll grasp desperately at any straw that might assassinate character We don't need to. We really don't. So please. Stop it now.
PS. If you want to see a nice satire on just this sort of junk, check out the video in Open Salon here. You're just as culpable as the people that this spoof targets: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=29031
To Laura, the first comment, I would say "we reap what we sow." Sarah Palin is fair game and has made herself so to bloggers because of her constant name-calling of Barack Obama and because she and her running mate continuously stir up the crowds with venomous spouting of hatred. How do I know when Palin is lying? Her lips are moving... (The old standard.)
Leigh, in my humble opinion, you lay out a good groundwork here for further look into this. For those (and I say this respectfully) who say "layoff the 17-year old, her mother "outed" her own daughter being pregnant. As Leigh said, if she wanted to prove it NOT her baby, the easy and most logical thing to do would be to release her medical records. Plain and simple. The news of the impending Bristol baby could have then been kept secret until after the election. Easily.

I don't think Leigh is off base at all. A mother raising her grandson as a son is much more damaging. It's only Rove if it's WAY out in left field and there's NO evidence. Leigh and the timeline in my opinion are both logical conclusions and/or questions.

Kudos for saying what a lot of us are/were thinking.
Greg, thanks.

An interesting note: Sarah Palin is the ONLY candidate who has not yet released her medical records.

Last week, in her interview with McCain, she announced that she would, in fact, release them. Speculation had it that she'd release them early this week.

We've got six days to go. She hasn't released the records. She isn't going to release the records, ever. (Which will count as yet another Palin lie. What is this, 15? 20? I'm losing count.)

So what do you think of that? Once again, she is the ONLY candidate who has not released her records.

McCain released his ages ago (though they were of dubious value, as he buried any critical information in a blizzard of paper); Obama's have been available for months; Biden (who, like McCain might be reluctant given his previous health scares) released his a few weeks ago.

Palin, who by her own admission, is "in good health, never had a serious injury or illness," has NOT. And will not.

Which begs the question, WHY not?

Hmmmmm.
Hi Leigh..Just a note..Truth always find its way..It is always a welcome host of light..Where Wisdom dwells there is always transparency..So that the blind can no longer..unless they so choose..remain just a lonely prisoner of the night..beware the loud voice that shouts..over all so determined to be heard..for quiet is He Truth defends..when dressed in The Garments of our Creators Living Words..All my blessings
Daton
Many of these post make a lot of sense, especially now that two months have gone by since this rumor first came out and the American people have seen that there are other questionable actions on the part of this woman; her possible abuse of power, her change of story regarding her support of the Bridge to Nowhere, her questionable changing of expenses for all her family members, etc.
One of the most interesting things I have read about this woman was written by one someone in the McCain campaign group and that is that she "distants herself from everyone around her....including her family" This tells me that she has the tendancies to be a narsistic individual who thinks only of herself and her interest....Because of that I think there is yet another possibile scenario behind why she acted the way she did when she went into labor. She already knew that this child had Downs Syndrome and she also knew that with her record of pro-life that there was no way she could have an abortion. So she chose to be reckless in labor and was hoping that she would lose this baby naturally and could then go on with her career without this burden.
I know there are a lot out there that will jump all over me for this consenses, but I think it is worth thinking about.
Whatever she was thinking or planning or whatever, the little guy is just as cute as a bug and I am sure that now is loved by many, including herself.
this rumor was flying around alaska back when the vp nomination was just a twinkle in gov palin's eye. alaskans were asking questions. it did not add up. many of these alaskans that were doubting her story were, at the time, supporters of gov palin. this is not some conjured up lie to bring down the republicans during an election...this is an explanation to something that has been plaguing the minds of many alaskans since the day that gov palin announced her pregnancy. all i can say is she will get hers in the end. because if this is a lie, according to her beliefs, this one should take her straight to hell.
Tara, if this is a lie, it's one I can understand. She's pro-life, her daughter gets pregnant in high school, Palin and her husband and Bristol agree that it would hamper Bristol's life to raise this child, so Palin claims the child as her own.

It's a relatively common occurrence, and arguably the best way to handle this for all concerned.

It only becomes an issue because she's a public figure. But I think she was just trying to do the right thing for her family.

Of course, Bristol's current pregnancy complicates the hell out of my rosey little scenario. Either Bristol is as dumb as a stump (which I don't think she is) or she was pretty ambivalent about giving up that child. So she quickly made another one.

Or maybe, like a lot of young women, she thought she couldn't get pregnant so soon after giving birth. (We used to call kids born so close together "Irish twins.")

We'll probably never really know what happened. And now? I don't care.
Thank you for your post!

I had already seen all this information from various sources and videos but it's the first time I see it so well collected and obviously put. The point is about lying, not about invading someone's private life.

If Ms. Palin is looking at the world straight in the eyes and repeating and fabricating this lie day in day out, I'm speechless at the implication of a politician being able to lie so shamelessly while seeking office. I have observed her deny-it-all-and-wink style and felt that she was actively trying to deceit on many issues (the clothes, the unauthorized Obama-Ayers conspiration claim..) throughout the campaign, and post. I foresee a modus operandi here.

This is a person of faith i.e. that places what she believes above reason, and it is especially evident when we consider that her motivation for maintaining this lie has to do with maintaining a righteous family image. Her credibility to her base depends on it. Her credibility to the rest of the reasonable world demands otherwise but the election on november 4th settled that question, for a while at least I hope.

No matter what she claims, the facts point to either a big-fat diligent lie poorly fabricated by a person with little awareness of the plausibility of her claims. She might have to come to term with the idea that it's not because you imagine (well, she calls it believe) something that it makes it true, or worth deceiving for. We should all be wary of anyone who considers ''something'' above laws and reason to govern their life and decision making.

Would any intelligent person ever build up a lie to then present it to specialists in the proper filed? Of course not. But this is exactly what Ms. Palin does. She builds up lies, certainly to the best of her competence, not realizing that the peer review committee she'll face is, put simply, the World and Everyone in it susceptible to catch her at flaw! The world is full of fairly thorough people Ms. Palin.

I'm sorry I appear to be condemning her right off the bat but I have way too much medical knowledge to let this slide. She is either a liar, or an irresponsible parent. I wonder which one her base would prefer?
I still find this story fascinating and largely unanswered even today. Everyone who feels this line of questioning out of bounds should ask themselves 2 questions. 1. When a political candidate uses their child to further a political platform or to garner favorable press, is it then out of bounds for the press, or anyone else for that matter, to vet the candidate thoroughly on that issue? 2. Do you think the Republicans would have any qualms about getting to the truth of any similar matter encountered by a Democratic candidate seeking high office? I am still fascianted by this and I wonder if to date any more information has come out regarding this?
Ineresting discussion! I'm going to play a little devil's advocate and point out that ALL politicians lie! I may be mistaken, but I thought that was in the job discription? That would be except for maybe two. The only two presidents (we don't know enough about their Veeps) who appear to have not lied to the citizenry of the USA are Abraham Lincoln and Harry Truman. So why do we get our fur in a bunch when another one bites the dust in the transparency department? Any one who runs for President of the US or V.P. of the US is going to have all their dirty laundry vetted in public. How many of us are willing to go through that and not try to hide something? I dare say there are very few. I'm not saying whether or not I agree or disagree with Palin's politics, what I'm pointing out this whole discussion may rate front page on the Inquirer. I'm just sitting on the sidelines and thought I would throw a log onto the proverbial fire.
Read your post Leigh and quite a few comments. A bit of a hornets nest, eh? I must say I have a tendency to see it your way. People make decisions based on motivation. I believe the motivation is to avoid scandal that will harm her career. If I recall, Palin agreed to release her med records and then refused, again complicating the issue.
I see her as a devious drama queen and the best thing to happen to the GOP in a long time. With her as their most visible politician, she'll have their party in shambles for years to come.
There is not a single citation or reference in this article. Referring to The Daily Kos as having promoted this story without once quoting specific articles and authors is shameful. It's even more offensive that this story received so many recommends without any factual verification of the so-called speculative claims discussed therein.

So, to the author I say: find some quotes from dkos editors (the people who set editorial policy) supporting your claims that the publication promoted and researched this story, or face the fact that you have committed libel.

BTW: It was Andrew Sullivan who dug into this story. Not dkos.
Wow ...just joined this site . And the first post I read is this ... Turns out that Sarah ( or Bristol's ) kid has the same name as me !
I know that this post is dated but it looked like Sarahs daughter was either extremely well-endowed or that she had just had a baby. Having raised three girls myself I think that I can tell the difference. Either way, the boys in that small town must have had some pretty raunchy dreams about the gov's daughter...
Let's hope the Republicans continue to view Palin as the "future" of their party! She is EVERYTHING Republican: not very bright or well educated, a liar, no substance or real values....on and on....
I'm just frustrated with the mentality of the Right Wing, of which Sarah Palin has become the prom queen.

There is a vicious attack-dog type of bullying, combined with an arrogant denial of their own malfeasance, that is infuriating.

Whether that train-wreck from Alaska is lying or not, she represents the worst of America: lying, denying, showing the lowest of morals, breaking all the rules herself, while pointing fingers at others.

I simply rejoice daily that she is back where she belongs: in the cheap seats, and is no longer an immediate threat to our great country and way of life as we know it.

Let's not forget in 2010, 2012, or ever.
"The mind justifies what the heart has chosen". Palin could be a saint and the loony left would go to any length to believe the biggest lie about her. You're "Sherlock Holmes" deduction is silly. Your hatred is not.
Here's a reason: she probably had a tubal ligation and didn't want her pastor/spouse/the rest of the world to know.