It seems to me that the thrust of many well meaning tactical arguments in light of the passage of Prop 8 is that gay and lesbian people asked for too much, too soon. That the next practical step is to wait until acceptance of gay marriage reaches some hypothetical tipping point, that we will make incremental progress toward that tipping point by having more "out" sports stars, military personnel, etc.
And when that tipping point is reached, then we can ask for, and receive, the right to marry.
When I stated, in Dave Cullen's thread, that I didn't think it was necessary to slowly win people over to our side, that I believed this was a right right now, that the courts would overrule the homophobic, bigoted majority, as was proper, I was likened to Malcolm X. (Which would cast those doing the likening in the role of the Blue-Eyed Devil, I suppose.) I think they are more, and less, correct about that than they may imagine.
But first, a little history: Dr. King didn't wait for Sidney Poitier to make enough movies about desegregated lunch counters. He sat at the segregated counter and desegregated it himself. And he enraged people in the process.
He didn't say to black Americans, wait, wait. Eventually they will see that we are equal human beings and THEN we can petition for equal rights! He took to the streets of Selma, and he brought tens of thousands with him. He spoke back to power in Washington, and he brought hundreds of thousands with him.
He was arrested, threatened, harassed, bugged, beaten and eventually assassinated. It was King's assassination that became that "tipping point" in the American consciousness.
For a lot of LGBT people, the brutal murder of Matthew Shephard was our "tipping point." The gay rights movement changed fundamentally in the wake of his death. There would be no magical moment in the future in which people like Matthew Shephard's murderers would come to "accept" and "tolerate" homosexuals. And in that realization, lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transsexuals and the people who love us instead started pressing for hate crime legislation. (That's another battle we haven't won yet either.)
Because here’s the unvarnished truth: There will always be people who are extremely uncomfortable with gay people. Uncomfortable enough to kill them, beat them in the streets, disown them. And people who will beat you in the streets, tie you to a fence and leave you to die, who can turn on their sons and daughters for loving someone are never going to be moved by actors, athletes and soldiers.
As a result, we shouldn't have to, and aren't going to, wait until the majority discomfort subsides. Because there's a very real possibility that it never will.
Some--many--believe that in light of that fact, gay people should ratchet down demands and accept a modified version of marriage called "civil unions," the idea being that if it confers the same legal rights on a couple, why press to co-opt the word, and the concept of "marriage." In the same conversation, Dave Cullen made the excellent point that eliminating "marriage" from the law and replacing it with "civil union" is the metaphoric equivalent of burning down the house so gay people can't come in. He's right.
I tried to make the point that traditional marriage will exist, and be utterly and completely unaltered when gay people are allowed to marry and that the only people whose lives will change when marriage becomes an inclusive institution are gay people's.
But the truth is, this is an emotional issue—not a religious issue—for many, many people. And you can’t argue with emotion.
For straight people to counsel "patience," to tell LGBT people that we want too much, too soon, is as maddening as it is disheartening. It suggests that there's something understandable, if not acceptable, about the profound resistance to granting us equal rights.
Malcolm X was suspect of white's commitment to civil rights, in part because he'd heard--too many times--that same counsel. Be patient. Be quiet. Be polite. Don't make people angry.
Gay marriage will make some people angry. That’s not going to change. It’s time to accept that a portion of the national community will be enraged by the very idea that gays and lesbians must not be excluded from marriage.
But this is a country of laws, not men. And no matter how some men and women may feel, the law will prevail.
During the civil rights movement, the laws came first and then and only then did hearts and minds follow. Sometimes, they follow slowly. Sometimes, they don't follow at all. I am old enough to remember the violence and hatred on display during the desegregation of the Boston public school systems.
But just as granting equal civil rights to black Americans did not result in the total collapse of the American way of life as those who opposed it feared and believed it would, allowing gay people to marry will not destroy the institution of marriage.
The right will come first and the realization will follow.


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Thanks, Stellaa. That was really well said.
Oy.
Off to read the essay. Thanks! And when are we having lunch?
And also, I am shameless bumping this up into the feed. Because for the first time ever, I really want a post of mine to be widely read.
Mostly, I write for myself alone. But not this time.
Bump.
When I think about it I get that lump in my throat, that buzz in my head, that weak in the knees feeling. It makes me want to march, to yell, to write strongly worded letters to people. The change isn't coming, it's HERE. We need to make sure that change is permanent, palpable and universal.
(thumbified with righteous indignation!)
I've given up even trying to understand why this is an issue. Can't waste the intellectual or emotional energy.
Mark Morford's piece in today's Chronicle is pretty great today, btw. I'll find a link and post it.
I am going to a Prop 8 protest today, and I will print out and bring your piece to distribute to people there. And I will also send a link to everyone I know, because it should be read.
You rock, girl! :-)
In California, chickens and pigs got more rights on Tuesday, and gays and lesbians had rights taken away. What the fuck is up with that?
This began as a letter to one of the commentators on Dave's thread and ended as a post.
I think a lot of people feel the same way. I think, too often, we tie ourselves into knots trying to figure out how to get people who, at their core, really are on our side, to really "get it." As if that's the equivalent of waving a magic wand and setting us all free.
There will be waiting, of course. But it is, and should be, waiting on the law, not people.
To win these rights that everyone deserves, you are going to have to understand your, "enemies."
The Malcolm X reference in Dave's comments section was prefaced by a statement that said that comparing the Blacks' rights movement with the Gay rights movement is troublesome because of the vast differences between the two. The comment was intended to provide an (admittedly flawed) analogy--the crux of which is that the people who try to understand their oppressors' fears and ideas almost always make more progress than those who dismiss them or demonize them without further thought.
In those same comments section, Dave Cullen wrote this excellent passage, which deserves another read:
"I also get why it would seem "nuts" that they [conservative opponents of gay marriage] seem under attack. I was never quite buying that until I started covering Evangelicals. It was one thing to interview them, but I got a different take once I actually enrolled in bible study at one of their churches right after Columbine... That was just the start, but an eye-opening start. They quickly got used to me being there, and I was shocked and kind of puzzled to hear that they DID feel threatened. They feel like they're getting creamed in the culture wars. They did even right after the election of Bush, and the R Congress.
They speak of living in "a post-Christian world." They feel they are marginalized and ridiculed. They feel that liberals control the popular arts (films, TV shows), and most of the country rolls their eyes and laughs at them, and/or sneers at them.
Frankly, there's a lot of truth to that. Don't we?
They also do feel the family is under attack, and not just from gays or even mostly from gays, but by porn, promiscuity, divorce rates, and a shitload of other things, many of which have a strong basis in fact and statistic.
I personally think that the gay-fear is a strange boogeyman thrown in there. They have a different sort of revulsion and distrust of us, which got lumped in with all the other cultural changes that came of age in the 60s
What I'm saying is that their overall fears are real. Perception is reality: if they feel threatened, then their fear is real. I also think there is some legitimate basis for some of it.
I think we are wise to try to help the moderates untangle that and realize we're not a/the real threat to them. When someone is afraid of you, you don't improve the situation by screaming at them more loudly."
We are not responsible for changing their minds. We couldn't even if we felt responsible. There are millions of minds out there immutable to change. So be it.
It is not necessary to "understand my enemy," in this case, because the enemy will, eventually, have no bearing on my life.
And I do understand as much as I need to. Enough to know that this right will not be won by majority consensus. That my fate, and the fate of my children, cannot be entrusted into the hands of the majority.
Edgar, the courts WILL decide this. It will NEVER be agreed to by the majority of voters.
That's just the way it is.
It would be forcing state laws into compliance with the 14th Ammendment to the Constitution, which states:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
No new laws. Enforce the laws that currently exist. Abolish punative laws that violate the 14th Amendment.
"Let us not waste our time in idle discourse! (Pause. Vehemently.) Let us do something, while we have the chance! It is not every day that we are needed. But at this place, at this moment of time, all mankind is us, whether we like it or not. Let us make the most of it, before it is too late!"
- Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
It is a huge problem and the right is stubborn in it's bias. Now, having lost the office of the President as well as the Congress, they will be even more stubborn with issues like this. They will throw themselves against it with all they have. I think the way in may be to have two union constructs; 1) Marriage (in the religious sense) and 2) legally binding civil unions - which benefit straight non-married couples as well
When Claus and I married we would have been perfectly happy with a civil union with all the legal benefits and non of the religious. We chose a wedding in my sister's garden with a few friends and a dog.
And, when my gf and I were together (8+ years) we would have been happy with a civil union as well. As it was we had to settle for legal documents; a power of attorney and a will in case either of us was incapacitated. Of course there was the added threat of the discrimination that comes with the visibility that would have come inherent with a legal civil union - which in our case was a big deal since the gf was a rather high ranking FBI agent (no protection for sexual orientation discrimination from Uncle Sam)
We need a solution, and sooner rather than later.
Excellent post, Leigh
I said earlier that I am unwilling to settle for "civil unions." Not the least because I flat out refuse, should I ever find myself in that position, to turn to my beloved and ask, "Darling, will you civilly unionize me?"
For some people, marriage is a spiritual union, sanctioned by a god who dictated that a man who lies with another man as he would a woman is an abomination. (That god happened to leave you, me and Dana out of the equation, by the way.)
Those people have every right to believe that, and I would never, and will never, try to persuade them out of that belief. It would be futile.
But they, and the "moderates" Edgar refers to who believe that marriage would be rendered "useless" should queers start doing it too, will not have the last word on the meaning of "marriage."
They didn't invent the concept, they didn't copyright it. They don't "own" marriage, any more than they "own" sex, or "commitment" or "love."
So there's really nothing particularly civil about the "civil union" alternative. Mostly because there's no need for an alternative. The institution, the laws, the concept is right there, ready to be expanded and made just and fair.
I wonder if all these happily married people that voted against it had their marriages nullified or their ability to get married taken away if they wouldn't be more than a little pissed.
Estragon: We’ve no rights anymore? ... We’ve lost our rights?
Vladimir: We got rid of them.
Rated.
Because that's exactly the right response, for every thinking, caring person in this country right now.
Godot. That's the thing about really transcendant art. It just keeps giving and giving and giving.
Thanks, Michael.
And - the state, by state chiseling away - it's like the ERA amendment - a big sloppy scattered constant tug of war. It's inefficient.
I agree with 90% of what you said.
I don't think we should wait around anymore, but I do think we should work our asses off to convince the large contingent of straight people who are ready to listen--particularly the wavering middle.
It will go down a lot easier for all of us if the people are behind us.
And it will go a lot faster.
I agree that in a lot of places, quite possibly most, we'll have to rely on the courts. But two things on that:
1) Some legislatures are on the verge of doing it right now, including huge states like NY and NJ.
2) The courts are made of people, too. Those are not aliens on those benches. They will be much more open to the idea if they see the population moving that way--and if they come from a population moving that way, and are appointed by politicians moving that way.
I also think that marriage is not the only right we're looking for. We're looking for equal treatment, an end to discrimination, an end to violence against us, and optimally, respect.
None of those can be awarded by a court. (They can case by case rule against flagrant discrimination, but the bulk of it is in the hands of the discriminators.)
I want the population behind us, working with us and supporting us, not opposing us on all this.
This is an equality movement, not a demand on a single issue. Let's keep it moving.
Thanks!
This line of reasoning is specific pretty much only to gay marriage. I really believe a lot of acceptance (and resulting safety, sanity, and happiness) will naturally follow the right to marry, and the legitimization of gay and lesbian families.
And several of my friends work very hard on a bunch of educational initiatives, such as meeting with teachers to talk about LGBT families in support of their children, etc.
The only equality that truly exists is equality under the law. We can and should legislate that, as others have before us.
We can't, obviously, legislate how people feel about us, and that's where the community relations part comes in.
But really isn't it just about being people, showing up at PTA meetings and barbecues and not being a big scary freak? (Unless you're in the Castro, where the bigger, scarier and freakier you are, the better, mostly.)
Some stuff, you ram down people's throats. Other stuff, you invite them over for dinner. And then ram it down their throats.
(I'm kidding. Sort of. Well, mostly.)
And this, especially, I think is the key: "But really isn't it just about being people, showing up at PTA meetings and barbecues and not being a big scary freak?"
And yeah, sometimes we are what some people would initially think of as a freak, but that tends to soften quickly once you're hanging out in their living rooms.
When marriage was legal here in California, I felt more comfortable, more within my "rights" to hold hands or walk arm-in-arm with my girlfriend. We were equal. We could do what the hets do.
Now, I'm back to feeling restrained.
I'm not sure why, but there is a definite difference, Wednesday from Monday.
The vast vast vast vast VAST majority of sexual predators identify as straight. (And the vast vast, etc. majority of sexual predators are men.)
An excellent, heartfelt post. I am so sorry and so ashamed that CA passed this proposition. From everyone I talk to (my mouth hanging open in shock) who "knows someone" who voted yes, I hear again and again, it was the "teaching kids in school" lie that sealed the deal.
On that subject (if it were true) I can only wonder why parents would be so terrified for their children to learn some moms love other moms and some dads love other dads. Do these people think that the mere knowledge will "turn their child gay, " and of course, that begs several other questions, but mostly and first: So what if it did?
I am interested in Edgar's repost of Dave's earlier piece.
The Christian right feels "they are getting creamed in the cultural war." I find this amazing, since I think it is primarily they who are conducting and initiating these war.
They feel we are in a "post-christian world." That would be the same world that spent far too much time during the presidential primary discussing whether Mormon was as good as Christian...and if Rudy went to church enough---and if Obama was a true christian? That world?
The family may be under attack from porn, promiscuity, divorce, and I might add, most of the crap on TV (especially on FOX) but really, I don't think the "family" is under attack from LGBTs---I really think that they mostly want to get on with their lives and are quite willing to let other "families" get on with theirs.
Ohio, by the way, has one of the strictest anti-gay laws on record. In fact, in addition to being odious all by itself, it is probably responsible, quite literally, for George W. Bush's reelection in 2004. As you know, Ohio went for Bush by just a tiny margin--around 2% of the millions of votes cast, and Ohio's 20 electoral votes put Bush back in the White House. Many of those people--unenthusiastic about their party's disastrous president--came out anyway because they were so excited about passing Issue 1, a constitutional amendment that defined marriage as between a man and a woman and also said, "This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage." The wording is vague enough to include domestic partnerships between heterosexual couples or even straight roommates living together in apartments. It's been interpreted at least once to preclude the state from being able to prosecute domestic violence.
A couple days after the election, I read some bitter and sad letters-to-the-editor from some gays living in Cleveland Heights, an inner suburb that had begun registering domestic partnerships but now had to stop; these people were so disheartened that they wanted to move out of Ohio. I looked up their numbers in the phone book--no lie, I know this is weird--and left messages on their answering machines begging them not to leave and telling them that all Ohioans were not like the ones who had voted for Issue 1. I just felt so sad for them.
I also pull the lever every single year for my Congressman, Dennis Kucinich, who is unapologetic in his view that marriage is for everyone. It's weird that he keeps getting reelected in this conservative town, but that's mostly due to his union cred. The gay thing doesn't come up much unless he's out in California. But to his credit, when he's asked--at national debates in his seemingly regular Quixotic runs for the Presidency and at local town hall meetings--he tells it like it is. Gay people should be able to get married just like straight people.
You keep up the good work at your end and I'll keep it up over here. I don't interact with too many gay people that I know of, but everybody has connections to gays, so equality will come to pass soon, I'm sure of it. Just tonight at an Obama celebratory party, a woman told me of her twin gay sons and another woman mentioned that her identical twin is gay (and she's not. Now I think you know me well enough by now to understand immediately how that interests me intellectually, but I'm not going there right now :)
Anyway, here's a story salon did before the 2004 election on Ohio's Issue 1. Reading it, you'll know "the rest of the story"--that it passed. Homosexuals Are Hellbound. By the way, I think context is important to knowing people, and I sometimes want to remind people here at OS that Ohio is a very different place from California. I was raised in western New York (the conservative side of the state) in a suburb very similar to Strongsville, Ohio, where I live now. Perhaps reading something like this article in salon might help explain where I come from, so to speak. Not that it reflects my views, just that it illustrates my culture here.
I actually called and then emailed Phil Burgess--I can't honestly remember what I said or specifically why I emailed him. I want to say it was after the election, but I can't be sure. I know I never spoke to him, but he did email me back. I remember being really impressed with his apparent thoughtfulness. I know that sounds crazy and you'll hate me for saying it, but it's the god's honest truth--I was impressed with the man. He seemed the epitome of reason. This is just a vague memory for me right now--it'll probably come to me in the middle of the night what the specific conversation was about.
Why should gays be an different? This isn't a judgement on either side, but this dialogue didn't begin yesterday, or with gay marriage. Where does the "institution" of marriage have its start or force in the first place?
You can take the argument a lot of places, but I'm suggesting take a look at the "social contract," theories about "human nature," and modern psychoanalysis might be helpful.
The argument can be taken deeper. All this sentimental moralizing makes too many assumptions about marriage. I personally don't find my fellow man entirely trustworthy, but can say the same thing about my own "crooked heart."
Lainey, it's going to take me a bit to digest what you've written. I'll come back to it soon.
Amy, Hyblaean (did I get the spelling of that right? I have to scroll quite a bit to see your name.) thank you both.
As you rightly say, you live in a country of laws not men. We would do well to remember that as we move forward through what I anticipate will be a breathtaking period of social adjustment and upheaval over the coming years. Some of it may even work out well. I certainly trust in the citizens of your country to make some difficult choices a lot more than I did a few days ago - So I think it will.
First, blaming African-Americans for Prop.8's passing rubbed me the wrong way - after all, we make up a meager 6.7% of California's total population although 70% of the votes cast supported the gay marriage ban. To most African-Americans who believe in a higher power strongly, religion is a spiritual blueprint from which their beliefs rarely deviate whereby if the Bible says it, then it's so.
Despite my religious foundation, I've always seen the world through an equality lens.
Overall attitudes may have shifted but African-Americans have always been aboard the homophobic train. However, less responsibility has been thrust upon Hispanics who occupy 35% of the state's population. They also voted heavily in conjuction with the majority of African-Americans. And let's not forget the white majority...are they not at fault, too? If one must, blame must be precisely pointed at all responsible parties.
Regardless of race, many heterosexuals bound by the confines of biblical context limit what it means to be gay or lesbian to sex. Stuck in the carnal, they are oblivious to the rightful entitlement of gays and lesbians to love and marry with legal protection benefits.
That's sad for I fear that this narrow view of what takes place in the bedroom will preclude enlightenment on the issue but I also seriously doubt many African-Americans would knowingly align with Log Cabin Republicans.
I think repackaging the issue and implementing a different strategy to broaden gay marriage support may offer a viable solution. Black and brown faces must be attached to the issue in order to sell it across the board where ultimately gay marriage is marketed as civil right to fulfill a basic human need. America needs to see tears streaming from the lesbian who is forbidden to see her dying lover because she is not considered immediate family or the bureaucratic difficulty a gay partner incurs when he loses his AIDS ravaged lover in the absence of a legally-sanctioned relationship.
But first the racially fractured gay community must to come together. Inclusion is the way, not exclusion.
It may not be soon but a change is gonna come if we keep hope alive and work collectively to secure equality for all men and women, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual preference. No matter how long it takes, we must always embrace the spirit of "yes, we can."
Meanwhile, y'all can still make donations to groups trying to overturn Prop 8. And have you been loving the demonstrations? Every time I read about another one I give a little cheer. :)