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MAY 5, 2009 2:18PM

Are those my civil rights in your pocket...

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Humor me for a moment, and let me paint a picture for you. Let’s imagine that we live in a world where everything is reversed, like Bizarro World. Superman is evil, women are the ones in power, and homosexual relationships are the norm. I know, crazy thoughts here! But, stay with me. Imagine that you are heterosexual and you’ve met the most wonderful person…of the opposite sex. The law and society tell you that your love is wrong, that it’s illegal. You have to hide your relationship for fear of being harassed or discriminated against. All around you, you see happy gay couples getting married, having kids, raising families, and living their lives freely. That’s what you want too, but you are continually told you can’t have it. It’s not legal. The church doesn’t recognize it because marriage should be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. That doesn’t seem fair to you. You’re human. You feel you have the right to love whoever you want and have that love returned. Who are all these other people to tell you you can’t marry the person you love. Time passes and acceptance grows for heterosexual relationships. You are less likely to be harassed or discriminated against because of your sexuality, though you still have to be wary in some places. You are given some civil rights for your heterosexual relationship, but it's still treated differently, it’s still not seen as equal. And an extreme group of citizens is running around your state telling people that if we legalize heterosexual marriage, that civilization will come tumbling down around us! So, tell me, just how would you feel?

This is what I have to live with daily.

As happy as I am that Vermont and Iowa have legalized gay marriage, I’m still apprehensive about what will happen in California. Momentum seems to be swinging in the direction of making it legal for ALL people to marry, which is the way it should be. But I know there will always be opposition to gay marriage because there will always be people who don’t feel we are all indeed equal. I’ve heard the various religious arguments and I don’t agree with any of them. In fact, I tend to find them bigoted and irrational. Nevermind that before you can get married in a church, you have to obtain a CIVIL marriage license. Yes, marriage is first and foremost a civil act. You can get married without a church but you can’t legally get married, at least in California, without a civil license. So, cherrypick your bible passages all you want. I can find passages in the bible that support things we would find horrendous now. Like stoning your wife in public if she cheats on you. Or how about having multiple wives? Let’s just take religion out of this issue for a moment. Remember when it was illegal to have interracial marriages? How many of you think that would hold up in court today? But by saying that it’s not legal for gay people to marry, you are saying that we are not equal under the law. You are saying that we do not deserve the same rights as every other citizen in this country. Gee, that makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside.

You can disagree with the idea all you want, but don’t tell me, or any other gay person that wants to marry the person they love, that we can’t do it. The laws that were set forth by the men that founded this country were meant to be a guide for its citizens. As times change, as people change, the laws must also change. And don’t forget that as human beings, we are inherently flawed and shortsighted. If we don’t change with the times, if we don’t evolve, we die, as a society, as a species. I can hear some people out there shouting “But gay people can’t have kids together! If we let all the gays get married, people will stop reproducing!” I actually did hear that as an argument during the Prop 8 campaign. The people who believe that should not reproduce because they are clearly too ignorant to be here.

On the way to work this morning, I heard an interview with Marie Osmond. The host asked her what she thought about gay marriage and I was pleasantly surprised by her answer. She said that people should be able to marry whoever they want.  Share a house, a life, kids, finances, with the person they love. We should not spread hatred and that God created all kinds of people for a reason and that we are all equally loved in his eyes. She said that we are all equal and everyone should have the same rights. Thank you, Marie, for being a compassionate and reasonable human being. I wish more people could see this issue as you do. I’ve heard arguments that in California, domestic partnership is “just as good” as marriage. Yes, it does allow many of the same rights as a heterosexual marriage, but it is not “just as good.” The medical benefits I get from my company for my partner are taxed as income. If we were a heterosexual couple, that would not be the case. So don’t stand there and tell me I should be “happy” with what the state so “considerately” offers me and my partner. I’ll be happy when we are afforded the same rights as every other person in this state. I’ll be happy when the country sees fit to make gay marriage legal, and those rights are not limited to just a few states. I’ll be satisfied when we can all come together as a country, as a society, and see that we are all equal and we all deserve the same rights.

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Amen (and I'm not the least religious). You turned the tables in a smart and interesting way. People need to read this. I'm calling in the troops. As a matter of fact, I like this so much, I'm going to DIGG it. Rated.
I heard an interesting thought on the radio the other day. A great many people think civil unions should be good enough for 'those gay people'. But then there's that little problem of equal protection under the law. Instead of arguing that we have to extend marriage to everyone, why not say that the state will *only* perform civil unions - for any couple. Let churches deal with marrying or not marrying. It at least is a new framework for discussion. If the anti-gay-marraige contingent gets up in arms that the state must marry them (i.e. civil unions are good enough), then it kind of blows the equal part of their separate-but-equal argument all to heck.
I like your Twilight Zone twist. Great post, and amen to equality of all kinds.
First of all, thanks for a very human perspective on this - you write from the heart, and that is harder to argue with than points of law.

I'm beginning to lean toward the idea that searchin mentions - if the state only performs civil unions, and if civil unions are equal, and if, in order to be recognized by law, a couple must have a civil union on file, then I can live with it.

As it stands right now, there are churches that will bless a same-gender union as a marriage, so that wouldn't be a total loss.

Again, lemonpulp, thanks for your take on this.
And here's a little bump for you, too. Two great pieces I'm watching and I'm hoping people catch on......
Yup. I totally agree, totally, 100%.

You do know that there will always be people who disagree, who fear. No matter what happens, they will be out there.

We just need to make damn certain that they are in the minority, because we cannot call ourselves a civilized society when we blatantly discriminate against specific members of it.
Hurrah and Huzzah! I am mortified to be living in the Great Progressive State of California... and to have witnessed the populace pass Prop. 8.

Iowa? Vermont? Man, talk about evolution.

I"m 100% behind your statements. My supervisor was wed (to his husband) during the brief window this past year. He went to see the oral arguments before the Supreme Court. He doesn't feel hopeful that Prop. 8 will be stricken down, though I don't see why - it's clearly unconstitutional. He also feels, though, that they won't invalidate his or any others' marriages. I think that's cold comfort.

(sidenote: I heard the other day that Marie Osmond has a daughter living "in sin" with another woman down in L.A. and that she's less than thrilled about it. Sounds like she's learning, though....)
Rod Serling, would have been proud of the juxtaposition of your argument. Great post.
Rated and DIGGed.
Both for content and writing.
Thoughtful and thought-provoking. I'm all for gay marriage; I see no reason gay people shouldn't have to suffer like the rest of us.
I dugg you I rated you if I was a girl I would have dated you but of course no marriage. Let's keep our hopes up and do the work it takes to get the rights we deserve. Power to the (gay) people (too).
I'm so used to it I hardly notice it anymore...great post!
Brava! I couldn't help but think of that Star Trek Next Generation episode, "The Outcast," as I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J'naii. One aside - some Christians in this country used the Bible to justify slavery, too. These un-Christian arguments were eventually seen for what they were then. The tide has turned and I am certain that the arguments against our full humanity will run their course, too. Perhaps not in time for all of us, but certainly in time for all of our children.
If not being able to have children is reason enough to not be allowed to marry, I guess a lot of infertile man-woman marriages will have to be anulled~
Superbly written, indisputable logic, and a welcome addition to those of is who would like the holier than thou crowd to move out of the dark ages.

(rated, needless to say)
This articel is so good! Thank you!
I'll read this later...promise.

Just had to comment on your great title before I'm off to work...

Rated, for the title alone.
You mentioned the founding fathers. They were human too.

All men were created equal? What they meant at that time was "all white landowners." Without property we of all colors were equally free to have no vote (no say in the country).

Women could not own land, therefore need not be considered as voters or equals. African-Americans were slaves (I'm toning down the words used for present day consumption), none good enough for voting, some good enough for sex.

These were not God's... they were flawed humans and did the best they could.

What troubles me is: We extol their virtues if they fit our needs. Disregarding their actions speak louder than words.

They did not believe all men are created equal.

This lives on today.
I am sharing this...