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JUNE 29, 2010 4:45PM

Sexism Alive and "Well" in the Workplace

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My Pollyanna side doesn’t come out too often. In fact, some would say it doesn’t come out often enough. But when I’m employed somewhere, I like to think that I’m going to be treated and paid the same as anyone in a similar position. I’ve been wrong about this far too many times. I’ve pushed the subject to the back of my mind, mostly because when I start to think about it, my blood pressure goes up and my asthma kicks in. Personally, I like being able to breathe without the aid of a respirator. But I was reminded today of how I’ve been the victim of sexism and discrimination in the workplace…again.

 As a woman in a traditionally male field, I’ve had to deal with some pretty condescending stuff. I’m self-taught in programming, so anyone with a computer science degree looks down upon me. Good for you, you got a degree in a hard subject. I've got two degress and can write circles around you. I taught myself to do the same stuff and didn’t have to take all the hard math courses you did that you’ll rarely ever need. I'm more than willing to get into a pissing match with you about qualifications, but I've got better things to do. I’ve had men at my current job talk to me like I’m a child. They stopped when I bluntly told them in a meeting that I was just as qualified for the job as they were and wouldn’t tolerate any condescension from them. I stopped short of saying “Fuck You” and giving them the finger.

In my previous job, I was the webmaster for a public radio station. I was my own department. When I was offered the position, the pay was way below the competitive salary for similar positions elsewhere. But I had been laid off and had a family of four to support, and it paid more than the job I had just been booted out of. So, I took it. I really did enjoy working there...for awhile. Most of the people were fun and intelligent. The jerks and nimrods could usually be ignored or dismissed. The guy who I was replacing was leaving for a job that paid better. Can’t say that I blame him. And apparently the station said they “just couldn’t afford to keep him on.” Hmm. I came to find out that he was making close to $30k more than me. $30,000 more! What the f*%@! I tried to ignore this, but it was clear that the people who ran this station didn’t believe in equal pay.

After one year, it came time for my performance review. I was asked to fill out a self-assessment, which my supervisor would use in her evaluation of me. I filled it out and said that I deserved to be paid closer to the median salary for a similar position. The salary I was asking for was still less than what the other guy had been making, and was certainly within reason. She ignored my review, saying she had to take care of other reviews before mine. Months passed, and nobody was getting their reviews. She had a knack for ditching her own responsibilities, but was more than fine with collecting a near 6-figure salary. I brought up my review again and it was blown off. I started looking for a new job. I found one that paid more and had better benefits. I gave my notice and let the station president know that the only reason I left was because I needed to make more money. He could have taken that opportunity right then to offer me something more, but he didn’t. They called the guy who I had replaced and asked him if he was free to come back for awhile until they found someone permanent.

Two years later, he’s still there, making TWICE as much as I was, and they have started the job search again. Just for kicks, I applied for the job and stated my salary requirements, which I know are below what they are currently paying for my replacement and two part-time assistants to him. I still have friends there and found out that they won’t consider me because I quit. Well, so did the other guy, but they were perfectly willing to hire him back. They were also willing to pay him twice the salary. So, is it my imagination, or isn’t there some sort of discrimination going on here? If you consider my ability to write, edit, do graphic work, and program, I’m actually better qualified for the position than the other guy. Part of me wants to file a lawsuit and tell them where they can stick their discrimination and bullshit. The other part of me says to forget it because they aren’t worth my time or energy.

Would I really want to go back and work there? Thinking about how dysfunctional the place really is, no. I have a few friends who are still there who I admire and respect. One of them told me I’d be crazy to come back. After all, these are the same people who hired a marketing consultant (who happened to be the best friend of my boss) to do some work for a few months. She made close to half of my ANNUAL salary in the three months she was there. And most of the time, the rest of us had to fix stuff she screwed up or dropped the ball on. These are the same people who wouldn’t know a good idea if it bit them in the ass. How they’ve managed to not get fired by the board of directors is a mystery to me. Oh, wait. The board is just as oblivious as the executives running the place. No, they are all much more concerned about having their wine and cheese parties, socializing with other snobs like them, and generally thumbing their noses at those of us who don’t make 6-figure salaries.

Nope, I really don’t want to work there again. But that doesn’t mean I’m not a little bitter right now. I’ll get over it. My Pollyanna side just told me that karma’s a bitch and she’s headed over to the station now.

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Oh God Erin,
This is just ridiculous isn't it?
So is Pollyanna really going back?To kick some shit I hope.
Rated with hugs
Thats terrible! Have you thought of calling a civil rights group to report the pay discrepancy??
Of course it's discrimination. Where they get you is they know how expensive it would probably be to file a lawsuit. They know it's cheaper for you to forget it and walk away. And I'm sure the guy who came back is buddy-buddy with people there.

Plus I worked in programming (mainframe) for 25 years without a degree and I could program rings around a lot of the guys who had a degree, so I know that story too.

You're right to be pissed.
I've seen this situation too many times and I don't really think there is much you can do except wait for Karma to do her thing.
"...karma’s a bitch and she’s headed over to the station now." PERFECT!!!! Gosh, you're such a talented writer! I've been discriminated against at work in years gone by - thankfully am at a place now where this doesn't happen. It's horrific when it does happen, and my heart goes out to you, lemon!!!!
Unbelievable! I'm really sorry this is happening._r
Fuckers. Seriously. Just plain stupid - bad for business, not to mention the ethics of that kind of BS. I'd continue, but most of the words would be variations of "fuck".
I have seen this happen so many times, and yet so many people deny it's still happening.
linda - it is ridiculous. i have to distract myself from it, otherwise i'd be tempted to get in my car and drive over there and tell them all what a bunch of assholes they really are.

poppi - i have thought about it. and i'm thinking about it again. they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of shit.
This sucks. Sounds like a sexism and class ism all mixed up in a nice tight bundle. Let me get my pitch fork, I'll be right there to march over to that station with Karma.

Lemon Pulp, I wish it was it was that easy.
cranky - i'm torn between writing a letter to the board of directors or outing the organization in the local paper. i really want to take the high road, but i don't think they should be able to get away with this kind of bullshit. yeah, the guy is buddy-buddy with a few people, but not the IT guy in charge of the servers. He wants me back and has been at management about the other guy's pay since i left there. too bad nobody listens to him. too many morons at the helm.
wendylynn - i hope karma catches up soon with these people. clearly they don't get "it"

kit - thanks:) i'm blushing over here. and people wonder why i don't want to work for an actual company. it's because of this kind of shit. i just need to win the lottery...
joan - thanks. it just makes me sad that this kind of stuff still exists.

owl - please, do continue, f words and all:) i know i've said a few choice words today since getting this information.

cedar - the denial is the bad part. if so many people weren't in denial, we might actually see some improvement.
@lemonpulp:
Whatever course you decide to take, make sure it's the one with the maximum effectiveness and not something that just lets you vent your anger. You want to make THEM pay.
Here is hoping karma kicks some butt!!!!
I HATE that this still happens.
scarlett - yep, you grab the pitchfork and i'll get the torches. sad thing is, people like this are so oblivious, they don't get it, even when you hit them over the head with it.

robin - thanks:)
Not much sugar in that lemonade; they go with the ones that make them feel good.
Even if you don't want to get into filing a lawsuit (all the energy and money that would take -- not inconsequential!), you can still file a complaint with the EEOC. There should at least be a paper record of your experiences to help and protect future female employees.
Inane and cruel and may well be illegal depending on state statutes. Cannot hurt to ask a friend in the law if there's one at hand and/or to call your state ACLU or state NOW chapter.
All best with this.
Rated.
Lemonpulp, you can see an employment discrimination attorney and it shouldn't cost you anything. A plaintiff attorney doesn't charge you up front. A civil rights attorney may be able to help you in the same way. It will cost you the time to seek out a reputable attorney and see if you have a case. What has happened to you to not only wrong, it may very well be against the law.

I worked for years in a hospital laboratory, and as a woman I never made as much as my male counterparts. We had the same educational background, but they made considerable more money. I sucks. I asked the hospital administrator why a man would make more money than me, and his response was "he has a family to support." Well I was divorced with a child to support; it's B.S. and an excuse to discriminate. Don't get me started with this..oops too late. I wish you the best. [My husband is a plaintiff attorney and I wish you lived here:)]

R~
Wow, discrimination is alive and quite well. Outrageous.
That sucks. I urge you to at least pursue your idea of finding an investigative reporter (someone good enough to be shooting for a Pulitzer Prize). That would cost you nothing but time, and you would help dozens of others being treated badly.
Lezlie
A lot depends on the profession, and how high you try to go, as to where the glass ceiling exists. Things are better than they used to be as far as overt discrimination goes, but always room for improvement

Jim K
Jonathan W had some good advice about researching the legalities. Others have suggested a labor law lawyer which also makes sense. I'd recommend against taking them on solo, i.e. by going to the press or something. Organizations like that can fight back hard and just watch as any minor goof or oversight you ever had gets magnified almost out of recognition.
I hope karma is headed there...with a vengeance.
I know imagine Karma looks like you in your profile picture, except she's wearing a&& kicking boots and is rolling up her sleeves.

Having had a few jobs where I have been surrounded by men who thought I was only hired to make the employee stats look good, I can relate to the outrage. And no, you should never go back to that. It will sap your soul. Much better to write about it and move on after a certain amount of venting.

Oh and wait- this is a *public* radio station? Of the sort that is constantly having pledge drives and can only bring programming when listeners step up and pay up as members??????? Arrghh!!!
Grrr- "now", not "know" in my original comment.
thanks all for the support, advice, and comments. i got an email this morning from another former employee that has me a bit paranoid. i don't want any of my friends who are still at this place to come under scrutiny because of the information i have. i may still do something, but protecting my friends is more important to me at this point.

it's a double-edged sword. i don't think what they are doing is right or legal. i think those in charge should be held accountable. but again, i don't want any of my friends to lose their jobs or have problems because of me. i'm going to think about it some more.

if i need my gang of warriors, complete with machetes, torches, and underwear, i'll let ya know! :)
One thing I have learned after years in business -- a woman working for a woman is hell! Instead of giving other females a hand up the ladder, women in power tend to kick out and try to knock us off the rungs. Men are afraid of our ascent but women are scared sh**less!
R
I've encountered ageism as well as sexism at more than one workplace. I keep telling myself eventually we'll have the real equality we were supposed to have before. But, as long as the American public chooses to fall asleep behind the wheel on this and so many other issues, I won't believe it can be made real.
R for real life issue told rationally