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Lester Hunt

Lester Hunt
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I teach philosophy at a large midwestern university. Hobbies: I have too many. Lack of persistent focus has always been my problem. My wife thinks this picture of me looks angry. (Hat-tip to Michael Blowhard for the name of this blog. He thought it up and I ran with it!)

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AUGUST 31, 2008 5:18PM

The Palin Pick: The Power of "Spoiler" Votes

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McCain's pick of the Governor of Alaska (Wikipedia photo) for his running mate is evidence that something I said recently was right -- more right in fact than I suspected at the time.

I argued that voting for "spoiler" third party candidates is not necessarily counterproductive because it shows the major parties that they cannot take your vote for granted. What I was thinking was that it will influence their conduct during the next election. If a major party wants your vote it will have to run candidates that are more to your liking -- you are happy to vote for someone else if they don't. The candidates in this election are already fixed. And though a current candidate may alter his or her rhetoric to woo potential third party voters, there is sadly very little correlation between such talk and what the candidate will do if and when they rise to the power of office. Only the next election matters, I thought.

I hadn't thought of the choice of running mates in the current election. Why do you suppose that McCain chose Palin? Notice that, until she was named as his running mate, Palin had more favorable things to say about Ron Paul than about him. That's Ron Paul, they guy who has been snubbed by the Republican convention, but is holding a 10,000 person rally in Minneapolis as I write. Notice also that Paul voters have found a place to go. According to Zogby, the Libertarian Party's Bob Barr is pulling down 8 to 11% in battle ground states.

Obviously, McCain is not worried that Bob Barr will be elected President. But he is worried that Barak Obama will be. And if McCain loses enough votes to Barr, that is just what will happen. So he has a reason to try to please these disaffected voters. And to some extent, I suppose, he has, and not by words but by actions that could have a very substantial real world effect.

Let this be a lesson to us.  You have reason to vote your conscience, whatever it tells you. They have little reason to take you seriously if you don't.

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Disclaimer:  As I hope it it is needless to say, this is not an endorsement of Palin, nor of the ticket.

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Every point you've made in this post is a good one. And it is probably not too late for McCain to score bigger with libertarians than he has lately. If I recall rightly, he's been well regarded by them in the past and the whole "maverick" thing is right up their alley.
We are in a war in Iraq, Islamic fundamentalists are determined to destroy us, Iran is rushing to build a nuclear weapon, Russia is once again becoming a tyrannical regime threatening it's neighbors, our economy is tanking, and John McCain, a seventy two year old man who has had four cancer operations choses as his running mate and the person who will be a heartbeat away from the Presidency a woman with zero experience in foreign relations and who was elected governor of Alaska by winning the votes of 130,000 people, about fifty thousand more than attended Obama's acceptance speech at Invesco field, a football field. The American people should be horrified and deeply frightened.

If this choice was a snide attempt to lure the Hillary Clinton supporters over to McCain, it will backfire, as Ms. Palin's positions on choice, universal healthcare, and the minimum wage are the complete antithesis of what Hillary Clinton has cared deeply about her entire life. If this was an attempt to get the evangelicals on McCain's side that will work somewhat as most were not going to vote for an African American Democrat anyway.

The pro-life movement in America has hijacked the Republican party and has caused it to lose the presidency, numerous governorships, and several senatorial races. Their single issue monopoly over the choice of who gets to run under the Republican banner is that of no choice whatsoever. You can be the most inexperienced candidate for vice president since Dan Quayle at a time our nation needs experience more than any time in our history since the second world war, but according to the Republicans, as long as you are pro-life issues life terrorism,
the economy, healthcare, the environment, and the war in Iraq all come a distant second.

The left wing feminists in the Democratic party who are whining about the fact that Barack Obama fairly, legitimately, and in every way possible defeated Hillary Clinton in caucuses and primaries nationwide and earned the nomination, and are threatening to vote for McCain to show their displeasure are people who do not care one iota about the issues Hillary Clinton devoted her life to, issues that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are agreement with almost one hundred percent. Any Clinton supporter who votes for McCain clearly cared more about Ms. Clinton celebrity status and persona than about anything Ms. Clinton fought for all her entire life.

I hope that the American people will not allow a person to become Vice President at this most dangerous time in our history who has the lack of experience Ms. Palin has and that the American voter will not vote for McCain solely because he chose a pro-life running mate. I also hope that the women that supported Ms. Clinton who are threatening to vote for McCain will think twice before voting for someone who disagrees with 98% of the positions Ms.Clinton ran for President on.

Barack Obama brings a needed change to the White House.
I'm not sure she'll really attract too many Libertarian voters. Pat Buchanan on MSNBC confirmed that she and her husband were big supporters of his when he ran for President in the 1990s. An interesting question to ask her is whether she voted for President Bush or Pat Buchanan in 2000 (or if she voted for McCain in the Republican primary). In any case, the Buchanan Brigades are known for their hard-line social conservatism. This is what excites the Republican base about the Palin selection.
I guess Karl Rove has changed the old wisdom that both candidates tried to move to the center for the general election. Rove's strategy for both Bush elections was to try to gin up the base. The story this election may be if Obama can draw out just how right both Mccain and Palin are. I would seem to me that if the questioner could ask Palin during her debate if she would indeed outlaw abortion even in cases of rape and incest that would be a deal breaker with the overwhelming majority of voters. She is indeed far right. The electorate needs to be told this.
Voting along with Bush for the Miltary Comissions Act, Patriot Act, in favor of waterboarding is not going to win many Libertarian votes for McCain, much less picking a fundamentalist beauty queen with little experience. Ron Paul is a great candidate, but a vote for him is a vote wasted.
Well I can not really see the Palin pick as anything but a large distraction. The pictures posted on McCain Blogette from 8/31/08 clearly show Palin' s teenage daughter is pregnant. I think picking Palin and having a new baby in the family before election day is going to be a huge distraction from the issues. I think it is an attempt by the McCain to refocus the "issues" to those of family. What better posterchild for this than Sarah Palin and her ever-expanding clutch of little ones.
sorry the pregnancy pictures are from 8/30/08 on McCain Blogette
Mark Koch: Islamic fundamentalists are determined to destroy us

Uhm, a false-flag attack doth not a Crusade make.
Palin’s selection is a political master stroke on the part of McCain. Moreover this astute move is not merely a brilliant manoeuvre on the field of American electoral politics, but also adumbrates what a great president McCain will make.

Palin like a ‘honeycomb’ will attract the feminist swarm of bees, that Senator Clinton stirred up in her campaign, which are disgruntled with Obama and fly away from him, to her own beehive. Dare I say that Palin, among some of the other nails, one of them being race, will be putting the last nail on the coffin of Obama’s presidential aspirations.

In my opinion anyone’s apprehensions about whether Palin has the ability and knowledge and experience to take the reins of the White House if something happened to McCain are misplaced. A person’s character and actions, the latter even in a short time span as is the case of Palin’s short tenure as Governor, are immeasurably more important than knowledge in the accreditation of a president. The character of a person cannot be shared with another person, whereas the knowledge of a person or of many others can be shared with another person. And it lies upon the latter’s personality and character how that knowledge is to be used and what decisions will be caused by it. Palin’s tenure as governor of Alaska shows clearly that she can use her knowledge and that of others benignly, decisively, and effectively for the interests of her constituency. Hence she has the character to be an outstanding reformer and a great president. Voila une femme, to paraphrase Napoleon.
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Boy, you folks are all over the map on this one!

I don't know what to add, except to reiterate that my post was meant to counter the "wasted vote" argument against voting for third party candidates (or impossible candidates in general, like Paul or Kucinich). If William Henry He -- I mean if John McCain becomes President then Barr voters, for better or worse, will have had an impact on history that is far, far out of proportion to their numbers. From their point of view, hardly a waste.
As a life-long Libertarian, I have a couple of questions. First, what sort of Libertarian believes that their religious opinions give them the right to put other citizens in jail for exercising the moral choice to have or perform an abortion? What conceivable influence is a light-weight, cynically selected VP going to have on the platform, policies or actions of a statist Republican Party in power? It is my observation that America is suffering far worse harms from the broadly based actions of Fundamentalist Christians than from the few despicable acts of Fundamentalist Muslims; what is this small-town hero going to do to reverse our loss of liberty at the hands of those who think all power goes to the state and that all presumptions of good intentions go to the police? It's just like Russia, we've exchanged a great deal of liberty for a little security and like the Russian people, it's not that we don't know but rather that, in the main, we don't care. I suggest that we will care someday. I believe that when we decide we care, it will be too late.

If anyone who reads this post still believes we live in a free country, I say: you should get out more. "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Joey,

Palin is not a libertarian, that's true. I was saying that McCain's picking her looks like an attempt win votes by moving the ticket in a libertarian direction. In being pro-life, she does not differ from him. Where she does differ from him is in being (as near as we can tell) more pro-market than he is.

Whether you can be a pro-life libertarian is an interesting question, like whether you can be a pro-life feminist. I am inclined to say "no," but if you assume that abortion is clearly murder, you get a different answer.
Lester: Your are right. As the former writer of the 'Voice for Choice' letters, for Planned Parenthood and someone who has done & documented clinic defense for years, i agree that the question: "Is abortion murder?" is the line of demarcation. However one feels or believes about the answer to that question all must admit that there is sufficient disagreement to mark the question as something that can not be settled by a 51% majority vote. Citizens have the right to disagree --- even profoundly disagree --- while still respecting the others civil rights.

Even doing clinic defense among the insulting-ignorant-arrogant scum of 'Operation Rescue,' I met many very sweet people who were committed to the other side of this question. My question is different. I think, when we speak of imposing the force of criminal law in a 'free' country, the essential question is: "Who decides?"

Fundamentalist Christians, based upon the preposterous nonsense of their religion (lies that can be demonstrated to a 12 year old in 20 minutes) believe that they have the right to put the rest of us in jail, for failing to submit to the preposterous authority of their fringe religion. They are enemies of everything for which America's founding fathers fought yet they wrap themselves in the flag. Are we supposed to act as if that makes sense?
I re-reading my last post, I wanted to add that the philosophical questions underlying our decisions are not irrelevant to the practical ones. Neither party is on the side of liberty against the overwhelming power of the state. I am a pragmatic person, as such, I held my nose and vote for Gore & for Kerry against the obviously incompetent & wrong-headed, George Bush, but in this context it seems that America deserves the chance to have a president who graduated at the top of his class rather than another guy who is proud to have graduated almost at the bottom. Call me a snob but I think intelligence and education can matter. America is in major crisis on several levels, we're playing the odds here on our survival.
Third quip:

The idea that Sarah Palin would attract "Libertarians" is almost as absurd as the thought that she would attract disaffected Democratic women. Tho only Libertarians who would vote for her are of the exclusively economic variety (free-market uber alles) and the only angry Hillary supporters who would choose this anti-choice/gay-bashing bigot would be stupid. I don't think there is significant market share there.

Governor Palin does have a market, however. She is perfectly positioned to attract the blue-collar bigot vote. The "Reagan Democrats" who have voted out of their resentments and against their families economic future, for thirty years. There are many guys out there there who are seeking an excuse not to vote for a Black man --- even one with a compelling story at a tipping point in the business cycle. They resent Senator Obama's slick erudition and his easy manner; they resent his success; they resent and resentment is the essential element in the elemental failure of their lives. There is market out there in pandering to the dissatisfactions of angry white underachievers. Sarah Palin is guaranteed to attract their attention. She will play on their resentments and pamper their delusions. As long as they don't think for one minute about what is good for their children's future, she will get their votes.

If Democrats do not have the guts to unflinchingly expose her utter unfitness for this position then to crush her like a bug; if they let her hide-out even from the wimps of the Washington press corps, then they don't deserve to win the presidency.
I came back to this piece because it is an intelligently written reflection of the perennial Libertarian dream of influencing the Republican Party. This may be the year to realize that dream. When they don't get what they want, the Pat Robertson crypto-fascist/pseudo-Christian wing of the GOP constantly threatens to form a third party --- we are a third party.

I vote in Republican primaries for the candidate most respectful of individual liberty, my choices rarely prevail. Congressman Tom Campbell was the last Republican for whom I campaigned or voted for with any enthusiasm. He lost a senate race to DiFi.

I generally vote for Libertarians with exceptions for quality Democrats (eg. Anna Eshoo, my congresswoman). In this election, I support Obama for the reason that Republicans have betrayed every conservative principle, with cynicism, sarcasm and blatant corruption. Cleaning the barn comes first. I don't fear his 'socialism' we have de facto socialism but only for the rich. I don't fear democratic corruption, we already have blatant corruption, it is just too expensive for normal people to access. I respect BO's intelligence and erudition , which might provide the most elemental social change needed for America to have a future - that is turning young people towards respect for serious, competitive study and the hard work it takes to get an education. Contempt for education in pop culture is eviscerating America's future in a competitive world. The 2008 iteration of the double-talk express offers nothing.

Anyway, if I become certain that Obama will carry California by a theft-proof majority, I would vote for Bob Barr to send two message to Republicans. One, Libertarian voters control the future success of the Republican Party; two, it is a lot easier to reach out to folks in the middle with libertarian ideas than it is with the institutionalized ignorance, bigotry and lies of Fundamentalist fanatics who think that Christianity is a political party.
Joey, I have a great deal of sympathy for what you are saying. I was considering voting for Obama very seriously but backed off I realized that his position on the war was much more "moderate" than I had thought. His naming Biden as his running mate of course fit that pattern all too well. As to our being de facto socialist already (at least for the rich and powerful), that's true, but remember that things can always get worse. In fact they will, no matter who wins, but they could get a lot worse.
Lester:

I have been watching "Persepolis" over & over to keep up my French. If you don't know it, it's a wonderful animated film from the French animated series of the same name by Marjane Satrapi, detailing her coming-of-age odyssey, between her native Iran and a ex-pat life in Europe (1st Vienna then Paris). In the process she tells a history of the Iranian life of a spirited girl then woman in a loving-modern- political family. Her history of Iran is harrowing at best. Approaching the chaos following the overthrow of the Shaw, her mother says: : "At lease we know things can't get any worse." The film then goes on to show how off-base that observation can be,,,

As to voting for Obama, I still think it's a bet on intelligence over a corrupt, cynical and either incompetent or criminal (I don't know which is worse...) Republican Party. Maybe I am a snob but I think the better bet is for the guy at the top of the class. I don't know about your grad school experience but in mine, no matter how prestigious the program; no matter how bright the people at the top of the class were, the bottom of the class didn't add much. You and I seem to be in the minority that has some understanding of the situation America is in. At least, we both know enough to see that we're in deep doodoo. I see the Republicans offering NOTHING (no courage, no integrity & no incite) to face problems domestically and worse, I see their attitude to world affairs, based upon dangerous delusions. We'll see...