L in the Southeast

L in the Southeast
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November 04
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Retired PR Director
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Born and raised in suburban Chicago to a multi-cultural family of hardworking, working class people, I was given every available tool to make me a contributing member of society -- Catholic school, Girl Scouts, lessons in several of the arts, even a debutante bow at the ball. I wasn't having any of it. Oh, I DID it all, but always with a flair that was not appreciated by those who attempted to guide me. Although I managed to have a fairly successful corporate career, it would have been so much more so, had I just followed the prescribed rules of the road to the top. Wouldn't do that either.

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DECEMBER 27, 2010 12:57PM

A Cougar Christmas

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I have been known to enjoy the company of men younger than I am.  Cougar sign There.  I said it.  Hello, my name is Lezlie, and I am a cougar. 

It must be a trait that is carried on some esoteric pair of chromosomes, the number of which I have no clue, because my sister is a cougar too.   In fact, she is a bigger cougar than I am, since she is actively engaged in a long-term relationship with a guy who is only six years older than her son!  My cougardom is more, shall I say, episodic in nature.  As I have confessed before, my attention span is nothing to write home about.

I know what a lot of you are thinking.  Some are thinking "Ewwwwww..;" some are thinking "oooooh;" and others are sitting there smiling.  The thing about cougars is:  We don't care what you are thinking!

I once asked my son what I should think about a guy as young as he is hitting on me.  I expected peals of raucous laughter.  What I got was a response as serious as a heart attack.

"You should think he is up to no good, Mom.  He's looking for a meal-ticket, or he's looking for a Mommy.  Trust me, I'm a man; I know what these young guys are about and it's never anything good.  Who is this dude, anyway?"

"You don't think he could just find me attractive?"  I was playing with him now.  Turns out he wasn't playing at all.

"Mom..." 

If you are a parent of an adult child, you know the intonation that he used to say that.  Translation: Get serious, you delusional, seriously lovable, but old woman.

I must admit I have been very leery of the motives of my younger suitors.  And, most of the time, my son has been right on the money with his analysis.  Oh, I do believe them when they tell me they like what an older woman brings to a relationship; i.e., maturity, her own job, her own house,her own car, her own everything.  Of course, they are also talking about our presumed sexual expertise, not to mention our presumed sexual desperation.

Like almost every other topic up for discussion, however, this cougar-cub relationship thing cannot be covered by sweeping generalizations. 

As I drove to my sister's house on Christmas Day, I realized this was the third Christmas I would be spending with her and her live-in boyfriend.  In fact, this past summer the two of them actually drove up to Chicago to introduce him to our mother for the first time!  This guy sure seems to be in it for the long haul.

Could it be?  Could there really be a man of limited age genuinely capable of loving a woman 18 years older who has had not one cosmetic procedure?

The answer, surprisingly for even me, is yes.  I am absolutely convinced that the man is head over heels in love with my sister, as she is with him. 

How can I be so sure? 

I watched on Christmas as my nephew and his 18-year-old son interacted with Sister's Man.  If you thought MY son's reaction to the idea was negative, you would find my nephew's point of view downright violent.  In the beginning, he was ready to kick this guy's young ass.

But on this Christmas Day, they were playing Madden football on the Play Station 3 as if they were best friends.  They conspired together to surprise my sister with an iPad and several app gift cards.  And my grand-nephew hugged Sister's Man after opening the gift he had selected especially for him.

We were a family.  An unusual family, perhaps, but whose isn't?  Love and happiness bounced off the walls of my sister's living room.  That's all I needed to know.

Cougar crossing
 

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Lezlie, there is no denying that young men are attractive. Of course, I've been known to gaze perhaps a second or two too long at the Abercrombie and Fitch posters when shopping with my daughter. "Ugh, Mom." I think as long as two people are happy (and of legal age) what's the problem? ~r
I'm one for finding joy and steadiness in whatever package he arrives in! ...and old guys are too....(fill in the blank).
Shhhhhh I have stories I will never tell..:)
It ie very possible.. Never been with someone my own age.
Steve is almost 10 years younger and I can whip his butt on anything hahaha
Love you
rated with hugs
When I was a young man (sounds like a song) I went with a few older women. One for a long time and I was crushed when we broke up. Both of our fault, two hardheads are tough to live together. I really think it's the maturity of the young man and the reality of the older woman that you're going to look like his mother, no matter what. If it doesn't bother you, screw what people say, it's your life!
Ain't nobody's business if I do...

(Actually I don't. Nobody's business what other people do...)
Remind me to pull this one out and read it when it's swimsuit season, L. ;)

Hot damn!
L, help yourself , but do we have to use that word, it sounds like you are preying when usually it is entirely the other way around.... just me..
I despise the word here.
But if the shoe fits, wear it L.
I cannot say how many times I have been looked at by the younger set. I can never bring myself to even consider a man who is the age of my children.
But they are cuties.
I say run with the good. You cannot stop folks from thinking anything. Unless you off their heads....
bobbot: don't be crushed. I didn't say I wouldn't give an older guy a chance. In fact, I haven't given any guy a chance for the looooong time. Gun shy.

Joanie: We should never lose our ability to admire the Creator's handiwork!

JT: I'm not going there. There are some wonderful old guys out there, too. (I just haven't met one in a while :-)

Linda: No surprise there, girlfriend! :D

Scanner: That means you can appreciate a woman for far more than what she looks like. Some men, of any age, don't seem to be able to do that.

Myriad: Never say never. :D

Belinda: Swimsuit season, coming up!

Rita: I recall your objection to the term. Wasn't there one you suggested? Or someone did. I don't interpret it in the prey sense, I guess because I so admire big cats in general. I just know I wouldn't want to be called a Grizzly! :D
Mission: I understand why you hate the word. To me it is just a familiar, generic term, similar to "gay," which makes no sense technically, but is commonly understood. If I could get my tongue out of my cheek long enough, I might be able to dream up a better term.
Two people over the age of consent can do whatever they want to. Period end of discussion.
OES: Yep! That's the way I see it, too.
I've been called worse things, L. It don't bother me much. Most of my friends do as I insist and call me B. Suits me fine. ;)
I love older women. Of course, at my age, there aren't many left.
It doesn't surprise me at all that younger men would find you attractive. (grin)
I keep wanting to fix you up with the CNN guy....the one good-looking one? With the gorgeous eyes? Black guy? Bald? Great voice?
Don't tell me he's gay too.....
I have been a cougar a "man" three years older than my son ....my son was not amused :) I am so happy for your sister!
love your last paragraph. My kids get grossed when they see their father and I kiss. I've thought about doing a blog about the joys of sex after menopause but they read my blog and might not be able to ever look at me and their dad again.
once again...I'm number 13
If you are lucky enough to find a real connection go for it and don't look back. The real thing is too hard to find, to define it by an age. As long as everyone is still of legal age and has their "marbles".
life is so short...
then again, no one complains when an older man dates a younger woman, Hugh H comes to mind. Then people say it's the younger woman who is predatory. Seriously?
would I be suspicious? oh, yes. Eyes open, I say. Life's too short.
I'm dating an 80 year old woman. She's in love with my maturity and likes to play canasta.
Funny that you mention you and your sister- I have no objection in theory to men my own age but I prefer younger men. And my sister has been in a relationship with a man 10 years her junior for 7 years now. Maybe it is genetic...
"We don't care what you are thinking!"

I wish more people could embrace that motto, Cougar moniker or not. Why the obsession with people's age?

The one time I paused to think about someone's age, it cost me the relationship, as he was 15 years my senior. But, I trust that was for the best for both of us, as patience is also a virtue when someone needs to sort things out.

I admire you Lezlie, you are the type of real grit woman I love and keep close to me in my life. Best to you!
Oh yes... and congratulations on your Editor's Pick.
Just last week a 30-year old (I'm 48) hit on me in Starbucks and it's happening with more frequency. My girlfriends think I should be flattered, but it kinda creeps me out. Good for you and your sister for looking past the judgment to find happiness.
Georgia O'Keeffe had a 27 year old honey when she was in her eighties. My friend P's sweetie is 32 and she is 57. For me, there's something about gray hair and twinkly eyes with crow's feet. By the age of fifty, most men have finally learned how to be good kissers and like it. L, it's a lot of work to train those youngsters!
Cranky: In a pinch, I'm still alive. LOL!

JT: Behave! :-D

Harp: I blush.

JT: Joe Johns? I think that's his name. That wouldn't be bad. Haha

LL2: My son would have a fit and fall in it! That's why my business is my business.

Mime: Isn't it incredible how they think they were all immaculate conceptions?

hugsme: Well, I haven't stumble up on the real thing, but then again I won't stand still long enough to find out. That's another conversation. :-)

vanessa: HH must have a gold-plated "unit" or something. Money cannot be the only answer...

blu: I guess you'd have to be 80 to even know how to play canasta. As for your maturity? Well...

geekycougar: See? My theory isn't completely off the wall.

Sparking: There are plenty of other things to be cautious about besides age. Our instincts serve us well if we listen to them.
Writer in CA: I am also creeped out by overtures out of the blue, regardless of age. But your girlfriends have a point. Most 30 year olds are still responding to what they consider eye candy!

greenheron: Good kissing is required of all, regardless of age. I'm a pretty good teacher, too. :D
Good for you!
I found that the older you get the more likely it is to happen, as older guys are fewer, and many go for younger gals. My youngest guy was my son's age. It was very short and sweet.
I wondered if cougars were solitary or pack animals. Still not sure. lol :) Rated
Lea: And your son was apoplectic, right? Or did he even know about it?

Theresa: I believe cougars are solitary. Appropriate for me (grin)

Joisey shore: Hahahaha.
Just one question, Lezlie. Does he have a brother?
As I cruised thru the comments looking for...ideas, I came to Cranky's and, of course, what else is there to say? ;-|
Ageism and racism are much the same.
Even this Poor Woman had her cougarish fling once. (Yup. That's what I said)The guy in question turned out to be a creep, but I hear this isn't always the case. Also, older, same aged, and younger, nice or creepy and everything in between, the dating scene's a smorgasbord wherein anything is possible. ;)
Rated
Chris Rogers: I am leaving you infuriating and disgusting comment up to provide you with the attention you so desperately need. The scatalogical content of your blog posts speaks for itself. And so do you.
Seen somewhere in Atlanta

L

BTW-This creep roberts must feel threatened that you're getting more yound men than he is.
Age is just a number. I'm younger than the wifey, not by much, five and half years, but heck, she still gets all the boys. I do too, for some odd reason!!

;D
XJS and Me: LOL! That's quite the briefcase! Yeah, you're probably right.

Tink: Who could resist you, you little demon?
I think it's just great if it is working for them. Ain't nobody's business! -R-
I love it when the cougar can crush the trolls.... ;)
O'Really?: It does feel pretty powerful! :-)
THANK YOU TO THE EDITOR: Your quick response to my flagging of an offensive commentor is greatly appreciated. I prefer that my readers not have to read such vile and insulting remarks on my blog, but I do not and will not delete comments myself. Let the offending parties stand behind their statements or face the official axe.

Lezlie
Well, it depends on the person. But I would take it slow, slow...
Hugh Hefner just got engaged again.
He is 84, she is 24.



`R
Love comes in all age disparity formations. It's sad how we look at May/December romances between men and younger women in a different way than we look at women with younger men. There's potential for exploitation in either situation, but somehow it's only the women we "worry" about!
Great post and glad your family accepted your sister's boyfriend.
Here's to you, your sister and cougars everywhere.

You have given me the hope and confidence I was lacking before I read this.
I must be honest? Dang! rjheart, HUGH?
Hefner's and DC trollops! CRUSHED! OY,
I'M WAY BEWILDERED! Maybe a dismay?
No! My Pure Intentions! Grow beet batches?
Yes! Go no premeditated! Grow pumpkins,
tomatoes, O (no) build a 30' X 140' hoops`
green-house!
Yes, do-build!
Grow Begonia!
`
I'm way behind.
I's a poor farmer.
I'll postpone ideas.
`
Let's feel we blessed.
Blessed to sense Joy.
I turn gadget on huh,
O, maybe tomorrow?
Neighbors stop over.
Maybe they thirsty?
or,
they got a Crush on`
`
L in the Southeast`
love is love. Love's`
Big.
`
Who wrote?
Ihear the midnight harlot,
She's holy and in the street,
No blast the newborn infant,
And Life's Marriage, Sacred.
` I sa to my two sons` Hay`
Ya lucky I'S no did kill`Ya!
But,
thanks,
Ya may have more posterity,
great children, Ya offsprings,
and surely`
Ya will drink Good homebrew?
Sip raw milk and try to behave.
Play the dulcimer. Play dumb.
I Loved your last? Ya hugged.
huh,
conk.
good night.
tomorrow?
Let's behave.
What's that?
Who knows?
Ay, nobody.
Patrick: Don't worry, nobody's kicking down the door at the moment. Besides, I no longer have anything to protect from a golddigger!

Leepin' Larry: Hugh Hefner is a freak of nature. See my comment above. :-)

Bell: Double standards never cease for us pirate wimmins!

Macco: Are you trying to confuse me? I know it's you, Dom. lol
I'm noticing a pattern here. Lots of men urging caution...hmmmm

Linda Cooper: Confidence sets you up to succeed. Keep finding it.

Art James: I am much better playing dumb than I am playing the dulcimer!
There you go teaching me a new term - I didn't know that's what cougar meant. In any case, life is too short for judgment - and a cougar can fend off better than a pussy cat. ♥
The packages that love and happiness come in are varied and never what we expect anyway. I'm glad your sister has found her bliss and the stats that go along with it matter not one whit.
Sweet for your sister. Although I do believe that most men are looking for a nurse or a purse at a certain point. Which is what your son is trying to tell you.
Like Mission, I abhor the term cougar, but I enjoyed this post. The double standard is alive and well when it comes to older women and younger men, but the heart wants what it wants. The rest is nobody else's business.
I have one of these 'in the family', she's been with my son for quite awhile. It's not what I would have chosen for him, she's just too old for a kid in his 20's - there's a 20 year difference between them. Your son is right. At such a young age, it's Mommy, without being Mommy. And yes, I'd say the same thing if he were my daughter.

Once we're older, have some life experience and can see the world from the perspective of a mature man or woman, it's a non-issue, but when you're still in your 20's I'm bent toward the belief that it's not the best choice for oneself.
Lezlie, you really made me think with this piece. I changed my opinion about this after reading it. *But you see George Clooney and I are nearly the same age. RRRRR
Take love where ever it appears. Good for you and your sister. Nobody's business but your own. Hey, that could be a song or something.
I've always been attracted to older men, but now that I'm 40, who knows what the future holds. My husband is 17 years my senior so the likelyhood is that I will outlive him. If that is the case,, then what? I've evolved in so many ways, I may just discover my inner cougar one day after all :)

Oh, and as far as the name, I love big cats too. I think it speaks of grace and power...never a bad thing in my book.
Oh, I'm predicting a change for you over time. You are much too vibrant and energetic to not want to keep that going in your later years. :-)
One of the couples we hung out with a lot, two states and three jobs ago were a May-Oct. couple, with him being May. They were the perfect match; he passed away unexpectedly at a very, very young age - 2 years out of grad school - and she has never remarried. True love knows no age limits, I'm convinced. And of course, there is no harm in just having fun!
I have tried dating the younger guys and the older guys, and now with someone just a spec older than me. I still get attention from younger guys sometimes, like the other day. I had to point out to my friend, you are not a cougar if the boys are chasing you. Just tasty. :)
"Cougar" sounds a lot nicer than "chickenhawk." Younger men rock except for having no money.
Love does not discriminate.
"Younger men rock except for having no money."
I was always good at hiding mine.
In fact, when I fill out a form which include a space for the current date, I always write;
NOT OFTEN TOO CHEAP.
I have episodes with men 20 years younger and 15 years older. That makes the range about 35 years ;0) and also makes life interesting. One thing younger men tend to not want is a maid and I am a horrible maid so that works out.
Have you ever been embarassed? Like say, checking in to a Hotel, the guy at the counter, talkng to your partner, says something like, I just spoke to your Mom and she said she'd prefer a room with a jacuzzi.

Or any such incident?
I find it odd that people assume men can't find older women attractive. I can understand that reaction from your son because, well, you're his MOM for God's sake! and he's not used to thinking of you in those terms (nor should he be).

Not caring can be sexy. I don't mean not caring about how you look or present yourself; I mean not allowing yourself to be ruled by what others think, particularly strangers. More knowledge, more confidence, less inclination toward insecurities that are a pain in the ass and translate into a constant need for reassurance that men find neurotic and nonsensical. Not caring is another way of saying psychologically and sexually secure.

It's not desperation that's sexy, it's the lack of it. It's the underlying assumption that you're worth it. Knowing that you're worth it gives you both power and allure.

What's wrong with an older woman being a little predatory? Is objectification a one-way street? It's not like the predation is that kind of literal - "cougars" don't typically drag younger men into alleys at gunpoint - it's that they can be sexually tactically-minded and don't mind expressing their appreciation and interest in ways that have been expected of men for millenia. Frankly, interest is flattering. In short, the term doesn't carry negative connotations for me.
koshersalaami: You are one evolved dude. As I read your comment the first time your screen name was not visible, but I knew it was you. Your way of looking at things and putting your points of view into writing is unique and refreshing. Thanks, my friend.
Not sure how I missed this...though my daughter was in town so I was distracted. Great discussion, funny, but cogent and revealing. Yup...throw assumptions to the wind, trust but verify, and remain open to love...at any (legal) age...Why not? I am happy for your sister and her partner. I enjoyed the discussion w your son, and your reflections...Good piece! Glad you were ep'd! Thanks Lezlie!R
Totally loved it! Rated, M
Very interesting. I think love has no rules or explanation. If your sister and this guy are happy, God bless them.
Great post! I have to agree with Rita about the derogatory connotation of the word "cougar", though. When young Gulf Arab men are with older women, it's usually the men who are the predators out on the prowl. They're not looking for rich sugar mamas, though.