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I am a retired Public Relations professional who now writes purely for fun and catharsis. I covered most of my memoir-type pieces in the first three years here. Lately I have dabbled in politics, current affairs, pop culture and movie reviews. Life is my muse.

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OCTOBER 31, 2011 1:19PM

Cain Has Been Thomasized

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It was bound to happen.  Herman Cain was getting too popular.  He was showing some cojones when he aired one of the dumbest campaign ads of all time and succeeded in having every talking head on North America scratching his or her head, true, but talking about Herman Cain nonetheless.

Even after he had what I consider a faulty outing at the most recent Republican free-for-all debate, Cain’s popularity continued its baffling ascent.  Something had to be done to stop this outsider, this “Oreo” with a coating of smarm charm.

Monday morning’s lead news report on NBC was “Herman Cain Sexual Harassment Scandal.” zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  What took you so long, Mitt?

When Cain was the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 90s, at least two female employees complained about alleged inappropriate, sexually charged behavior from the pizza man.  As was the norm back in the day, the women were paid to leave their jobs after signing agreements barring them from talking about the circumstances of their “resignations.”  Cain, of course, kept his position.

Why am I not shocked and dismayed?  Please.  I entered the work force in 1966.  A not-too-ugly black and female college graduate with oh-so-much potential for curing what ailed corporate America.  I was subjected to so many sexual innuendos and forms of flat-out harassment based on gender, I thought  it was another form of the hazing I had recently undergone to gain access to a sorority membership.  It became the stuff that spawned hit TV shows like Mad Men.

Thirty years later, with all the laws and corporate codes of conduct in place, women were safe from the leering and groping, the cartoons and the lunch-table jokes, and the unspoken but loudly clear suggestions about loss of jobs and such.  Right?  Hah!

I was a young divorced mother of a three-year-old son when I was lured away from my prestigious public relations job at the University of Chicago by a suave and reasonably handsome executive director of a community organization.  He offered to practically double my salary if I left and became the PR director at his non-profit. Where do I sign, was my only response.

How was I to know that the man was staffing his entire organization with young single woman with children?  All the executives, however, were men – younger, ambitious and too-busy-to-be-bothered-with-women men. 

It wasn’t very long before he started making, shall I say, unusual requests. “Let’s meet over breakfast at 7 a.m.“ “We’ll go over those press releases at dinner tonight.”  “Close the office door so we don’t get disturbed.”

The day he decided to make his move, he literally chased me around the desk.  I kept running and said something like “Whoa, Mr. F.  I don’t play that.”  Later that day, I made an appointment to take the management test at Illinois Bell Telephone Company.  When I was ultimately hired in their sales and marketing department, I gave Mr. F two weeks notice. He asked where I was going.  I refused to tell him.  He had already sabotaged a new job for my predecessor in retaliation for spurning his advances.  No way was I going to aid and abet my own demise.

When the courageous Anita Hill blew the whistle on her own sexual harassment by Supreme Court Justice nominee Clarence Thomas,  the good-old boys in Congress decided to give him a pass and confirmed him anyway.  A black Republican got a job for life, whereas any ordinary black man would have been vilified by the same crowd simply for being married to a white woman. One can’t help but wonder what would have happened if Anita Hill was white herself.

It is not clear what the race of Cain’s accusers might be, but I don’t think it will matter much this time.  I predict there will be no pass for Cain.  Instead, I think he has just received his ticket out of the race.  If I am right about suspecting Romney’s camp as the source of this revelation about Cain’s indiscretions,  Herman Cain will be slinking off into the sunset wearing that black cowboy hat we saw him in last week.

What's the difference?  Expediency.  Clarence Thomas was used by conservatives, in spite of his obvious flaws, to fill a diversity void on the Supreme Court  without having to add another liberal justice.  Herman Cain is in somebody's way.  He is blocking the yellow brick road to the White House, AND he doesn't play by the rules.  He's gotta go.  Whatever his allure is to the right -- and I still believe it is the prospect of pitting one black man against another -- this indsicretion and subsequent coverup is too much to overcome.

 

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I heard this briefly on NPR today and haven't heard the full story. Interesting that it came up at this time.
Guys like Cain, Thomas and Mr. F. give the rest of us decent ones a bad name and a black eye. Whatever it takes to stamp it out, let's stamp it out. R.
You could be right, but I think planting little nasty tidbits is more Perry's style. Afterall, he and Cain are competing for the same voters.
Like you, I think anyone who is surprised is beyond naive.
rated
And so it goes. "sigh.."

Neil, if you were a woman you wouldn't be confused ;).

Rated for the never-ending battle of the sexes.
Bamy: Sure is.

desert_rat: I know far more men like you than I do the others, thank heaven. You good guys are still in the majority, by far.

Neil: If you are confused, I've done a poor job and need to edit this piece. I will revise the last sentence; your question is more a critique on my sentence structure than anything else.

Your second question: first, read Seer's comment. I smirk because she's right, but you are NOT a woman so I will explain. I blame Cain on so many levels for his shameless behavior. I find it decidedly unshocking because so many men of his age and in his lofty position are guilty of the same disgusting antics. There are few powerful men of a certain age who AREN'T susceptible to the same charges.

The damage Mr. F. did to my sense of self was every bit as painful to me as the racism of the day. I was livid when Clarence Thomas, after all that damning testimony from Anita Hill, was still found worthy to sit on the highest court of the land -- for life, no less.
I'm really curious what comes of this. It wouldn't be the first time, particularly in the GOP. Just ask John McCain about the 2000 South Carolina primary and Bush's people.
How come this did not come out before? Right he was not running for President. How insane is that?
And Clarence? I had no idea.. Is this why he does not speak a lot?
Just awful he was allowed a pass..
and the beat goes on sad to say.
well done lezlie..
HUGGGGGGG
R. How ironic. White-supremacists like Ann Coulter et al all running to defend Cain with the "high tech lynching" racial obfuscation. Yet remember when "Obama got Osama" and they all ran to give credit to Bush? That was the first time in history that racists swore a Black man wasn't involved in a shooting AND then pinned it on a White man! LOL.
This will fuel yet another round of right-wing moral relativism. Nothing changes their views on morality more quickly than an attack on Rush Limbaugh or Nicole Bush for gulping drugs or Clarence "Porno King" Thomas for providing unrequested hair samples.

They will blame it on leftist troublemakers which, I guess, could include Mitt. I don't think it's the Perry camp because they couldn't find their own peckers without a guide. Bachmann can only say those women should have submitted. Santorum would only get excited if Cain had sexually harassed men. Ron Paul considers it within Cain's rights and that the women could always seek alternative employment.

I don't think the Romney camp did this, though. Mitt will probably come out in support of Cain and denounce him, depending on whether he's talking out of the South or North side of his mouth.
The opposition researchers at the RNC did this to knock Cain down. This won't hurt Cain in the immediate sense, as the base ya-hoos will chant their usual situational morality theme. What it will do is add weight to Cain's "Unelectability," so it will find its mark later, when even the ya-hoos start thinking about Who Can Beat Obama.

The effort to avenge this slander has already started, but all the Cain camp will find is that Romney once paid a street-walking hooker 20$ to squeegee his windshield...and she had a Green Card.
It may stick, I don't know. But, if he gets half the grief and hard time that Obama got, he will get off lucky. It seems longer, but just 3 years (well 5, if you count how long he ran) every move he made, from his pastor to his colleagues at law school to smoking dope to selling it, it came out in bunches. Karl Rove hates Romney, and the Koch Brothers love Cain, so I don't wonder how it got out, I just wondered when. Tomorrow's headline: Cain's Kindergarten Records Missing"
Kosh: He’s toast. You don’t think Tricky Dick was the last Republican capable of dirty tricks do you? :D

Linda: When you have a little extra time (hah!) look up the Clarence Thomas story. And yes, I think it is why he never says much.

Ron: Expedience. Spin it the way you want it; forget about the way it is. LOL

Paul: You are hilarious! I completely concur with your pithy analysis.
Scanner: I don't think there is one among them who can withstand the same scrutiny Obama did.
The internet rumours are K-A-R-L R-O-V-E.
Don't know whether he has actually been Thomasized or not...but I do know he is not doing a thing for people who could use a bit of help from others like them who have managed to beat the odds.
Myriad: Certainly sounds like something he'd do.

Frank: You are certainly right about that!
What? I missed him wearing a black cowboy hat? I'm not going to be surprised about how this affects him either way... maybe, that's because not much surprises me anymore.
I don't know who Karl Rove favors. Are we sure it isn't Cain? I suppose it could be Perry - he might have a thing for dumbass Texans - but, strange as it may seem, I don't think Perry is as bright as Bush.
Razzle: Exactly.

Kosh: Now that's REALLY calling Perry a dumbass!!!!!!
I have no idea if the allegations are accurate.
I have a sense that unless more is revealed of a very serious nature, the base that wants him will largely stick w him.

r.
Jon: It has taken him much too long to deny the allegation. I believe it. We shall see.
Again, I am still working on how people actually support this guy. He should be arrested for malicious smugness. R
A really interesting perspective. And I find the term "Thomasized" to be equally interesting.
Interesting to read your take on Mr. Cain, I think a black man who thinks out of the box and is not very controllable is a huge danger in too many (white) minds...I liked his breath of fresh air compared to the groomed pasty helmet heads the Repubs have for candidates, and as I wouldn't vote for any of them, I was able to sit back and enjoy the barely hidden panic among them all as Herman Cain jumped ahead.
This news coming out isn't a surprise, but it is yet another disappointment in a politician, whoever it is this time...

As for "not too ugly"?? Yeah, I believe that one.
You are beautiful -- we've seen you dressed up, you know : )

As for Mad Men, I started to watch it and couldn't stop juxtaposing my father's office environment in the 60s over it, and I didn't want to keep watching...I didn't find the show that compelling either, I just grew angry toward men while I wanted to shake those awful women.
Ah, now I understand the title. I empathize with your feelings of disgust about C. Thomas, and the rest follows from there. Very interesting piece for me (a Canadian).
♥R
Well good. The pizza man is going to find out he should have passed on grabbing the extra slice.
Thanks for your unique perspective. Makes me admire you all the more. Strong lady.
Thank you for this. Brilliantly written and courageously honest. Have I told you that my daughter is biracial? This gives me some inspiration to write about all the prejudice I (naively) thought we wouldn't encounter.
Why it's just a high tech cyber lynchin'! Black man, any women, there has to be inappropriate sex going on somewhere. Same old same old.

Your story is much more interesting! R and hugs.
Regardless of who leaked it, it does indeed appear as though at least two women were paid by the National Restaurant Association to go away and shut up about the fact that Herman Cain had sexually harassed them, and that makes him unfit for the highest political office in the land. (Of course, that's not the only reason he's unfit. He's fundamentally unfit. He's Sarah Palin in a black man's body.)
I don't really follow politics - mainly for reasons you've shown here: I feel like if I got too involved, I'd end up hating humanity, with examples like these people in power to look at. But what you've written about here is also, sadly, universal. I'm so sorry you had to go through it in all the ways you did - and I was cheering when you left your job for another - and didn't let your boss know where you were headed! You go!
Sorry to hear you had such a horrible experience. So many have and it's rotten. Real sorry it happened.

Anita Hill was definitely brutalized during Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearing. She was strong to brave the abuse, she is a role model for all women who seek the strength to stand up to their oppressor. And no doubt about it, Clarence should not have been given a seat on the Supreme Court bench. Not just because of the scandal but of course because he did not have enough experience to be hired for one of the most important jobs in America.

Bill Clinton had a roving penis and the info was constantly in the press, but he was not being "Thomasized." I can't say Cain is either. He shares the same skin color as Thomas, but Bill doesn't. And Cain hasn't been given the nod, he's just in the running.

I think anyone could of dug up the dirt on Cain. And anyone who worked with Cain at the time could have spilled the beans. It's just the standard Opposition Research. People are specifically hired to do this research with the sole purpose of finding something inflammatory.

To me, what's sickening is that mainstream media journalists KNEW about John Edwards adultery and some knew he was siphoning off campaign funds to give to his mistress, all this happening while his wife was dying of cancer. But NONE of the journalists reported it. Had they done so, Hillary Clinton would surely be our president. Elizabeth Edwards knew about John's indiscretions as well, but took to the mic to say, "John has done more for women than Hillary has." Which is a flat out lie on every level. Plus Edwards was doing all of his dirty deeds right then, 2008, not back in 1990 like Cain.

No one seemed to mind that MASSIVE cover up, because it benefited Obama.

Had the news of Edwards came out, no way in hell would Obama have beat Hillary in the primary.

So you could look at it this way, two ODIOUS conservatives, Cain and Thomas, both getting slammed with a past of sexual harassment. For Cain there is proof, a paper trail. I could be wrong but I don't recall a paper trail on Thomas. Although I have no doubt, Anita and the others were not making Thomas's filth up.

Back to Bill Clinton, a white man who got the same treatment for his adultery, but was it a hi-tech lynching? Clinton even got impeached for getting a blow job. But like Clarence, he did win his position. Bill Clinton was a good president. Clarence Thomas, he's a lousy supreme court justice.

And Cain? Has no chance anyway, just like Edwards had no chance.

But Edwards got off scot-free UNTIL Obama won the primary.
I thought the same thing. I am probably a bit younger than you, but had some unbelievable experiences very similar to yours in the late 70's early 80's.
Lezlie, you're spot on about the striking parallels. As I learned on CNN this evening, what's different is that Cain has now given at least two contradictory accounts of the matter. In both he claims the charges are baseless, as did Thomas. Earlier he professed ignorance about any settlement. Later, at the Press Club, he said that they'd been given a small settlement.

It does look like someone is trying to torpedo him with the leak. But CNN's talking heads believed that he had handled the leak badly. And it could be viewed as part of a pattern as he's seemingly also contradicted himself on whether or not a woman has a right to an abortion.
Perhaps no one has noticed that for some years now, every male person of “black” complexion whose head rises above the horizon in sports or politics gets smeared with some kind of sexual innuendo and usually a couple of female “victims” is found who are willing to “testify” that “he took advantage of me” or offered to or thought about it or who knows what.

This technique has been so successful in the US that it is being used elsewhere now as well; a candidate for President of France who was not friendly to some of the US ambitions in the world and the head honcho of Wikileaks - also someone who is not liked by the US , come to mind.

I think that this technique is so hugely successful because any claims made by a woman against a man are ALWAYS 99% believed by other women and at least 50% of men - the “sensitive” feminist ones, will also immediately give credence to any such claims with no other evidence being present. Just her unsupported word. And, of course, the knowledge that we all have that “men are all absolute beasts” - well, except for the ones who support women’s dominance-disguised-as-liberation.

I’ll wait a bit longer to see what comes of those charges against Cain. All these women “just coming forward at exactly the right moment to do the most harm” in this type of case is just a little too pat for me to swallow time after time after time. Life isn’t that neat and tidy. I don’t much like him - just for his politics alone. That means that I need to bend over backwards to be as fair to him as I can.

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Sky, did you happen to notice that most of the women commenting in this thread have had such experiences as an all-too-common part of the work place? You're saying we're all intent on emasculation/domination? Smoke and fire comes to mind..

Or is that a whiff of patriarchal dis-enthronement in the air?

:D
@Seer,
Men and women have been making passes at each other for millennium. It’s how we connect. How many times have I heard a woman complain that she “no longer gets whistled at” or “men don’t pay any attention unless you’re young and blonde” or similar expressions?

Yet the popular “thing” these days is for any woman who has been made a pass at by someone she doesn’t take to, to holler “harrassment”. Men make passes. Many women do too. It’s part of the old, old “viva la difference” of sexual attraction and connecting. But these days, if a man dares to make a pass or even to look too hard at a woman who isn’t interested, she reserves the absolute “right” to call him derogatory names and accuse him of “wrongdoing”.

I’m an old fart and nobody is ever going to look at me as “sexually interesting” again in my life. I miss the banter and the innuendo and the suggestive word play that is carried on between the genders when their hormones are healthy and urging them to “connect.”

And if it interests you, I’ve never considered men to be “enthroned” in any way. That concept is entirely one of women’s inventing. I’ve been married enough times to have learned the fact that a relationship is a partnership of people-equals, even when the abilities of the two(or more?) partners are unequal. This applies to ANY relationship; even, I suspect, gay, lesbian, and “inventive" ones.

I have often been struck by the attempts of some women to occupy the “throne” that they think men occupy. I can tell you this; if we really did ever occupy any such “throne”, you’d not even get close to it if we didn’t want you to. If you think that you’d like to occupy a “throne”, why, by all means, go to it. You’ll soon find out, just as you found out that “going out to work” every day wasn’t a picnic; that it wasn’t what you thought it was. I suspect that many “liberated” women have discovered that to their complete disillusionment already.

.;-)
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The fact that this bunch of fools is even being considered for the job says more about America than I want to know. And that includes Willard "Flopping Fish, I Have No Spine and I'll Say Anything I Think They Want To Hear, My Strapping Sons Are Too Valuable To Send Off T0 War" Romney.
Hard-hitting piece, Lezlie. Another reason why I don't trust politicians - any of them.
@Tom, you forgot "chickenhearted."
I suspect that it will turn out to be Democrats that leaked this. I don't think people in his own party are that desperate to destroy him AND themselves when it comes out who leaked it. And I predict it will come out.

I never understood what was so awful - and never will - about what Clarence Thomas is alleged to have said. A bad joke? Okay. Harassment? Hum??? I always thought that if Anita Hill was not tough enough to take such a joke, or make a riposte to same, she was way too wimpy to be a lawyer.

I think the claims against Cain, so far, sound pretty lame. I'll have to see something solid and real - i.e., sleep with me or I'll make your life hell or grabbing and chasing or something, before I decide my vote based on this.

I think that a lot of this sexual harassment "stuff" is a way to attack men who may have done nothing . What Dennis Prager calls "A rape of a name". I worry about that. And I feel that way about it when it happens to men on the left too.

And how a woman (or man) "feels" should never be a standard for determining whether someone has been harassed.
As an ardent supporter of Romney and the Republican Party, let me assure you that the Cain sexual harassment story is bad news. Regarding Romney’s run for president, Romney knows Cain is not a serious contender but he has done a great job of deflating serious contenders, focusing the debate on the economy and simplifying the debate via the 999 / flat tax plan. Regarding the Republican Party, liberals love to paint Republicans as a party of old, racist, white men. If Cain’s support was a token 1-2% the myth may still alive, but by leading in so many polls it puts the racist myth to bed. So as a Romney-Republican I will sorely miss Cain’s presence if this sexual harassment story grows any more legs.
Oh by the way, do have any proof that Romney or the Republican Party planted this story? Didn’t think so.
Sky, there's a time and a place - walking past a work site and getting whistled at is not nearly in the same context as being approached aggressively in a private office behind closed doors at work. Working an assembly line and having a passing supervisor pinch your *ss is not the same as a suggestive smile in the break room. The very notion that 'it's chemistry/a man woman thing' excuses every situation is just another symptom of this social illness.

Thank you for illustrating so competently exactly what women have been experiencing since the God/dess was demoted all of those centuries ago :).
Johnny Fever: No, of course I don't have proof. I said I "suspect." It is easy to suspect the opposition party of unearthing dirt, and maybe the Democrats did, as Barbara suggests. But I think there is a good chance it was done by a Republican. We'll see.

Do I think there are times when allegations of sexual harassment are unwarranted? Yep. Do I think so in this case? Nope.

@Barbara Joanne: I don't know which "joke" of Clarence Thomas's you are referring to, but if it is the Coke can incident, here's the deal. The workplace should not be the place for that kind of "humor." Unless you are one of the very few women who have never been made to feel uncomfortable by that kind of joking, you know how SOME men use it as a way to intimidate women and assert their power over them, thanks to their rank on the job. As I recall, although that pubic hair comment has become symbolic of the entire matter, Mr. Thomas did quite a few other things to land him in the hot water he endured.
Mr Fever is quite wrong. Racists love tokens like Cain because such persons allows racists to feel good about their racism.
C'mon folks... As I said, it's called Opposition Research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_research
Everyone in politics has an operation research team. Obama had the most killer operation research team I've ever seen. Advertising agencies use O.R. too when taking on a new client, in order to combat the competitor. Hell, most any corporation uses it as well. Anyone could have "leaked" anything. This is big business, not gossiping high schoolers, tiddlywinking in the playground.

But as I mentioned earlier it's then up to the media whether they will run with the news or not. And in John Edwards case they chose to NOT run with it so that Hillary would lose votes. They stacked all cards against her. That is FAR worse than Cain being a pig in 1990.
And Obama Lovers are THANKFUL the media kept Edwards activities out of the news. Hypocrites. (as per usual)

Was Anthony Weiner "Thomasized"?
Was Larry "wide stance" Craig "Thomasized"?

All you people who call Cain a "token" ... wow, do you realize how racist that is? For how long will anyone who is Not White be a "token" if they go against the race-grain? Stop being a bunch of racists yet claiming to be Liberals. Token, my ass. He's JUST a conservative who doesn't much like black people. Just like all conservatives. Cain is also a total fruitcake! Like many, but not all, conservatives.

Was Tiger Woods "Thomasized"? And is he a "token"?
Jesus Christ! Can we get out of the stone ages with this shit?

Hey when Tom Cruise handpicked Jamie Foxx as his costar was Jamie a "token"? When Tom Cruise handpicked Thandie Newton as his co-star love interest, was she a "token"? They must be tokens since Cruise is white and could have chosen a white person for the blockbuster roles.

OFF POINT/ but sort of ON POINT:
Do I know any of you? No. But I'd bet every nickel I have in the bank that not a single one of you women ever experienced the brutality and harassment that Hillary Clinton experienced her entire political life and abhorrently more so during the 2008 primary all in order for Obama to secure the win. What about HER STRENGTH? Nary a word. And since when is the "wife" made fun of for her husbands adultery? And since when is it acceptable to publicly sit in judgement on whether that wife stay married? The layers of misogyny are too many to count and mostly purported by women, not men. No, I realize, that's NOT what YOUR piece is about, no piece ever is, about THAT.

What you went through Liz is horrible and should have never happened. On another note: what all women in the Public Spotlight go through is beyond excruciating but people seem to have this idea that "Oh they wanted to be famous... it's part of the game... they get what's comin' to 'em." ~~Riiiiiiight.

This "token" shit has to stop. And comparing any black person to another person just because they are black, has to stop.

This archaic Shorthand is Shortsided.
First of all, it is a grievous error to think of the word "token" as only applying to race -- it applies to -- sex, religion and other areas as well. Secondly, one does not make oneself a token; one is made a token by those who wish to use that person for their own selfish purposes. In that light, tokenism isn't about race or sex or religion -- it's about cynicism.

The ugly truth is the Republican power structure is cynically using Cain -- just as it did Sarah Palin. That neither she was nor he is even remotely qualified for such an office speaks volumes about the the cynicism the Republican power structure holds not only for these candidates, but for voters as well..

The Republican power structure is offering-up Cain as a sacrificial lamb, knowing full well he has no chance of becoming President. If I'm wrong about that, tokenism is the least of my concerns.

As for Cain himself, there's nothing "token" about what he has managed to accomplish. Quite the opposite; he is to be applauded for rising above his circumstances -- just as Obama is to be applauded for rising above his.

Their accomplishments are all the more to be respected, when compared to a wastrel like Bush the Lesser, who managed to accomplish little good in his life despite being born with every advantage -- a WASP, great wealth, a high-priced education, good looks, and political and business connections. Nor did he do much good -- while doing incalculable harm -- when gifted with the presidency. He frittered away the opportunity to do great things, just as he frittered away every other opportunity that fell into his lap in his miserable life.

But back to Cain. My chief problem with him -- besides his being all too obviously unprepared and temperamentally (at least) unfit for the office -- is that, like Clarence Thomas, he has forgotten where he came from, how he got where he did, and who helped him along the way. That, of course, has nothing to do with race -- it is a disease that infects people of all stripes. As I like to put it, the self-made man has a fool for a maker.

It is that individual and collective delusion of the "self-made man" that also contributes to Cain's status as a token. The Rabid Right holds him up up as an example of what a person of color can accomplish in America if only he keeps his nose to the grindstone -- and his mouth shut about how awful the system is for most in similar unfortunate circumstances. In short, if he knows his place, stays in it, and spouts all the conservative platitudes.

All that is what I mean by a token.
Well, it looks like you may have been right. If it DOES turn out to have been Perry's people who leaked this, it was, duh, a Republican. And Perry (and his people) will have hurt his campaign as well as Cain's.
Yeah, BJ, right party wrong perp.