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L in the Southeast
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Born and raised in suburban Chicago to a multi-cultural family of hardworking, working class people, I was given every available tool to make me a contributing member of society -- Catholic school, Girl Scouts, lessons in several of the arts, even a debutante bow at the ball. I wasn't having any of it. Oh, I DID it all, but always with a flair that was not appreciated by those who attempted to guide me. Although I managed to have a fairly successful corporate career, it would have been so much more so, had I just followed the prescribed rules of the road to the top. Wouldn't do that either.

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JANUARY 19, 2012 1:25PM

Keystone XL and Dirty Politics

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“ I love it when a plan comes together.” 

That was the catchphrase of Col. John “Hannibal” Smith as played by actor George Peppard in the popular 1980s TV series, The A-Team

Today it would be easy to imagine the same quip coming out of the mouth of Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner in response to the announcement of President Obama’s veto of the Keystone XL Pipeline project.

Putting aside my personal politics for a few moments, I have to hand it to those crafty GOP legislators.  They really know how to put the opponent’s cojones in a vise.  By pressuring the White House to approve the Transcanada proposal to build the 1,700 mile oil conduit between Alberta, Canada and the Gulf of Mexico, they created a no-win situation for President Obama.

As part of the deal last December extending the payroll tax cut for two months, Congress imposed a Feb. 21 decision deadline on the President to issue or reject the pipeline permit.  Congress knew the deadline would not give the administration adequate time to conduct the environmental impact studies needed to respond to the objections of Obama’s base.

Despite claims by John “Hannibal” Boehner that the pipeline would generate 100,000 desperately needed jobs for Americans, the President opted to appease his environmental base and veto the permit to build the pipeline.  And the screaming began.  Newt Gingrich called the decision “stupid,” and raged that the President has allowed politics to displace his oft-stated commitment to create jobs.

But hold on.  The A-Team had another member of the team named B. A. Baracus, played by the inimitable Mr. T, the gold-chain laden muscle man with the African Mandika warrior hairdo.  The B. A. in the character’s name allegedly stood for “Bad Attitude.”  B. A. also had a catchphrase:  “I Pity the fool…”

Well, I pity the fool who believes what they are hearing about the number of stifled jobs the veto has caused.  In all the confusion Republicans are creating by having musical front-runners, semi-weekly debates, and Obfuscator in Chief Gingrich revving up racial discord, reality, if there is one, is being driven further and further into the background.

In today’s article by Alain Sherter on CBSNews.com Moneyline it is reported that TransCanada itself last fall projected no more than 20,000 jobs created in the U.S. from the $7 billion project.  But subsequent analysis by the U. S. State Department reduced that projection to 5,000 or 6,000 U.S. jobs.

Sherter wrote:

Another reason for the discrepancy appears to stem from what that 20,000 figure really means. As TransCanada has conceded, its estimate counted up "job years" spent on the project, not jobs. In other words, the company was counting a single construction worker who worked for two years on Keystone as two jobs, lending fuel to critics who said advocates of the pipeline were overstating its benefits.”

Unfortunately, the people who have been hooting and hollering in the Republican Presidential debate audiences in support of the misleading rhetoric offered by every one of those candidates will not be likely to read Sherter’s article, this post or anything else that would take the wind out of the sails of the GOP campaign machinery.  We will hear ad nauseum about the 100,000 jobs that were never on the horizon to begin with, and the President will be powerless to refute it. 

And the beat goes on.

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Oh yes the beat does go on!! Thanks for putting out even more facts on this situation. When I listened to the Republicans rant and rave on the first day of Congress about the loss of jobs I thought there was more to this situation than that. In the end I trust Obama. I know he has the best interest of us all in heart whenever he makes a decision. This pipeline of unrefined crude would be an environmental disaster and it is something that should not be built right down the middle of our great country. Obama just needs to hold his decision now far into the next term and I trust that he will.
I did a late blog on this yesterday and showed the two sides Canadian and American. You bet your bippy stuff is going on in the back rooms and I can bet my last dollar "Boner" (as steve s calls him) will be back. They will wait until the election is over and be back as fast as the rail trains they are going to hire to whoosh that stuff down here.
HUGGGGGGG
so to sum up -

we can't have alaskan drilling. we can't have offshore drilling. we can't "frack" for natural gas. we can't import liquified natural gas (terminals for offloading might become terrorist targets); we put a tariff on imported ethanol; we can't build more nuclear plants.

and now we should forbid a pipeline for canadian oil - and send it in my tanker truck or railway car, which is hugely more expensive and problematic from a logistics and carbon footprint standpont.

is it any wonder why legitimate scientistists and the average american voter think the anti-energy fringe are raving lunatics?
Thanks for the insight, Lezlie; Linda beat me to the punch. R
Idiots, and I mean us. (not me and you, of course) After it's finished, what will all the workers going to do, lay on the pipe and listen to the oil flow.
Zanelle: Since it takes nearly 2 tons of oil sand to yield a barrel of oil, not to mention copious amounts of water and other substances just to liquify the stuff to send it down the pipeline, I don't see how this extraction process allows a profit for the company. THEN we can start worrying about gas emissions, leaching into the soil, etc. I'm not sure I understand the idea.

Linda: I missed that post and I can't find the link in my email. Please send me the link.

baltimore: Yeah, I'm pretty sure at least one of those ideas could be workable, as long as legitimate scientists are given the opportunity to make input to the processes with an eye on safety and minimization of pollution. The fringes of all issues make solving problems nearly impossible.

Thoth: You're welcome!

Scanner: Hahahahaha!
Don't tell anyone I commented on a post.

It's really very simple:

If we burn it, it's in the act of biting us in the ass because it's changing weather patterns.

That means we have to put what subsidies we have into stuff we don't burn or, in some cases, in strategems to use less energy. We're not at the point where we can go completely away from burned fuels, particularly when it comes to vehicles (as opposed to, say, buildings), but we have to change the ratios of our use. Sinking a fortune into a pipeline is not how you do that.

Part of the problem with fracking is that it takes too much water, part of the problem is that there's a high risk of polluting the water table underground, which is currently just about impossible to clean up.

Understand another thing about petroleum: The world supply is sold to the highest bidder, no matter where it comes out of the ground and no matter where a pipeline terminates. This oil isn't "ours" in that the public doesn't own it, even the massive amounts of oil shale in North Dakota, where you can basically move to and get a job on the spot at the moment. American production from this source is ramping up rapidly. This just benefits oil companies. The only way it brings the price down is insofar as it affects world supplies, not local supplies; in other words, it has to be a significant proportion of the World supply to really affect the price.

I'm not back yet. I wasn't here.
Maybe. But when I heard this yesterday, I fell back in love with Mr. President. I bet some other people did too.
So tired of the shell game with the truth so well-hidden and regularly moved by the "shifties".Thanks for this, Lezlie. Needs to be noted and well shared! R
I think fewer and fewer people who haven't been bought or hypnotized by mendacity yet are listening to the partisan chatter anymore. Obama may be disappointing, but compared to the carnival barkers who hope to run against him he's a tower of integrity.
In spite of baltimore a's doom and gloom, oil and gas production has been on the rise since Obama took office.

Another lie the Republicans will be spinning is that because of Obama's decision, the oil will go to China. The irony, which nobody seems to know about, is that with the pipeline in place the refined product was scheduled to be exported to Europe and Latin America.

Whenever Republicans want to make something scary to their courage-challenged party, they start talking about China.
Kosh: Your secret is safe with me and the others who comment on this post after you. :D As usual, you taught me something today. I was under the impression that whatever oil was extracted from Canada’s oil sand would be consumed in the U.S. No wonder the only thing the Repubs are screaming about is jobs!
greenheron: I’m not back in love yet, but it’s a start. :D

Muse: Thanks.

Chicken: I hope you are right. My sense is people only hear whatever agrees with what they believe.

Jeff: Yes, the word China is on their list of code words. It is so disgustingly transparent, and yet it seems to work.
Thank you for this analysis! r.
Obama actually vetoed something? News to me because I don't keep track any more! Kina wish that defense budget act with the constitution buster would have gotten the ax.
Even 5 or 6000 jobs would be kind of nice, although I'm sure there is mucho rapage of environment involved. Sucks to be Obama... sucks even worse to be US.. damn
Obama does not have our best interests at heart. He did not reject the pipeline on its merits. He rejected it because the Repugs put an arbitrary deadline on it. That is what he said. In the end, he will cave and approve the pipeline, perhaps after the election when he's fooled all the Obamabots once again.

The tar sands oil will not go to China as there is just as much opposition to the Enbridge pipeline route to the coast of Canada as there is to the Keystone route. Indigenous and environmental groups are fighting against that just as hard.

The fact is, we are killing the planet and ourselves by continuing our fossil fuel addiction. 97% of climatologists agree man made global warming is a huge problem. The ice caps are melting, the coastline is eroding, the oceans are becoming more acidic, and weather patterns are becoming more severe. Continuing our fossil fuel addiction is poisoning our water, polluting our air, damaging our health, and getting us involved in more wars for other peoples oil and gas. The time to end our addiction is NOW!
The bigger picture is that Americans already do not pay the world price for refined gasoline. We all seem to think we can continue to keep our current lifestyle of driving anywhere and everywhere we please in our cars and heaven forbid pay anywhere close to what other citizens of other countries pay.

If the idea is turning northern Alberta into a vast polluted moonscape sits so well with Canadians, then why do they want to export this unrefined crude??

Has anyone looked at the true costs involved?? Natural gas to heat it to melt out the bituminous and remove the sand?? The huge amounts of water used to extract this and make it flow through a pipeline??

This is not a source of cheap oil by any stretch of imagination. It is in fact, a very expensive source that costs so much in so many ways.
There is no well pumping it out of the ground and hooking this pipeline to send it down to the American refineries.

If Americans think only that somehow the current price paid to fill their cars can continue to stay if only...
Then they are sadly mislead.

Spewing propaganda about job creation and secure sources is little more than a smoke screen to confuse. Don't be fooled by it.

The only thing to do is cut off the addiction to cheap gasoline.
And there is a price to pay for that. And we will have to pay that piper one day. Whether we want to or not.
I MISS KOSHER - the smartest, clearest thinker and expositor on OS!

And, hey Mission, you're giving him a run for his, haha, money today!

As a native (tho not Native) of Alberta, I am appalled by the tar-sands thing. I can't understand why that is happening as long as there is oil underneath sand, even if said sand is inhabited by a bunch of cranky Arabs...

Human beings are insane.
If the president had a nickle for every damned if he does damned if he doesn't moment in the White House...I'm reading the Jodi Kantor book on the Obamas now and all I can say is you couldn't pay me to be the Potus or the Flotus. Too many consequential decisions to be made and too many people gunning for you.