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SEPTEMBER 14, 2012 2:20PM

Will WWIII Be Started Online?

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Loose Lips Sink Ships, a variation of a poster slogan used during World War Two, seems extremely relevant today, albeit in a different sense.  loose-lips

Back then it was a reminder to Americans to watch what they say to avoid giving away strategic war secrets to the enemy.  The “enemy” was more likely to be an individual stranger who, upon hearing some errant comment, would tip off the opponents and thwart the American plan.

In 2012, the “enemy” has very different characteristics. 

For one thing, the “enemy” is fluid, unpredictable, and sometimes illogical.

As U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Rodham Clinton has been pointing out, the United States was hugely instrumental in liberating the people of Libya.  That, however, has failed to impress the anti-American elements who might have used the YouTube trailer of a blasphemous schlock film -- produced by some guy who allegedly duped the actors into participating and whose motives are still very much a mystery--as an excuse or a cover for a previously-planned guerrilla attack on the American embassy in Benghazi. U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, State Department information management officer Sean Smith, and former Navy Seals Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods died in that assault, according to the State Department.

As a result of the irresponsible content of a low-budget film that deliberately mocks Islam’s Prophet Mohammed, protesters are airing their anti-American anger in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Israel and the Palestinian territories.

So, very much like the last century’s Viet Cong, “the enemy” does not wear a uniform or dog tags, is not led by a military hierarchy, and is a mixture of surreptitious plots by organized interests and spontaneous eruptions of ordinary citizens.

A second characteristic of “the enemy” in the Information Age is instant access to communications.  Instead of armies acting upon a formal declaration of war we have a relative handful of individuals, in effect, pulling the trigger with the stroke of the Enter key on a keyboard.  One American of dubious origin and allegiance now has the ability to not only leak national secrets but also to strike the match that ignites the entire Middle East.

With everybody exercising their freedom of speech, without concern for consequences, to the billions of the world’s electronically-connected people, it is not a stretch at all to foresee a conflagration of global proportions caused by one shady ex-convict with multiple aliases who is high on hate. 

Apparently Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the admitted producer and poster of the offending film trailer , is not at all regretful for making the film.

What hath technology wrought?

 

 

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This is a problem with no solution, especially for the U.S. We can't win for losing. We give Egypt a Billion and a Half dollars so the President and Head of the Muslim Brotherhood can insult us and do nothing while are walls are breached. Libya, is too new to Middle East democracy to know how it works and it's rumored that this was a set-up, just to murder these people. Now, the rest of the Muslim world is demonstrating, some peaceful, some not. But, just like the Danish cartoons making fun of the Mohamed. they feel they have the right to kill people at random that they disagree with. There will never be peace as long as one lone man can spark this amount of damage. What he did was hideous, but the SOB had the right to make it, and they need to learn this. Burning our flag and effigies of our president isn't being too friendly also.
As Libyan officials have pointed out and many and sundry other media outlets internationally, this YouTube video is nothing but a weak cover since the Ambassador's brutal murder was premeditated and planned out very well by Al Quaeda for the 9/11 11th anniversary. Most of the those protesting have never seen this YouTube blip and never will. They don't have facebook, iphones, etc. etc. There are millions of YouTube video's out there. These Islamists are not throwing YouTube under the bus they are very clearly going street rat crazy against America, our policies, our values, our freedom. Nice try; nobody is buying it.
I've always believed in this downside of technology as well! Frightening, indeed. R
The war is over and just beginning - the peace is always with you. The MEEK are losing but win every time - technology changes but never grows. Counting crows is easier than putting a number on wars - especially global conflicts. The bugs are everywhere and some of them are carried across species in the bite and not the byte - We are better off with the tools we have now - we can see what our foot print looks like from outerspace - and we can add that shoesize to the subsubsub atomic images that the little baby buggers who fight over our future allow us to see. The better we understand ourselves and our shared elements the more likely it is that we or some version of us will survive.
The few moments we walk on two feet might be better spent looking at our fellow life forms and enjoing the ride than wasting it on either chicken little or the three little pigs. But obiviously I am almost alone in my quest to put culture where it belongs - in a time out. And ..yes I talk toooo much!!
As you pointed out, with more information available from the investigation in Libya, it appears that the You Tube video wasn't the spark that lit the fires in the consulate. The post had been up for months, and the consulate and embassy as well as the Red Cross had been attacked several times before the video came to light. Apparently the terrorists who launched those attacks used the video as an excuse to launch the assault in Benghazi after a US drone attack in Pakistan took out the Al Qaeda #2, who was known as al Libi - the Libyan. This wasn't a protest but a well executed act of revenge.

As for WWIII being launched on the internet, I'll say it's most unlikely. As I commented on Steel Breeze's latest post about the uninformed opinions of typical American men at the local bar:
http://open.salon.com/blog/steel_breeze/2012/09/14/informal_poll
"I imagine that you'll find the same kind of guys in coffee houses in Turkey and tea bars in Cairo or Islamabad, except that 75% of them would agree that all Christians and Westerners should be thrown out of the country."
"As a result of the irresponsible content of a low-budget film that deliberately mocks Islam’s Prophet Mohammed," oh, and in case you weren't aware? We have free speech in America protected by our constitution. Every religion and cult is mocked continuously in our country; only Islamists kill people.
What seems salient is that the maker of this preposterous and crude home-movieis that it was fraudulent from jump: the actors were traduced...they'd no idea the final content--their voices were dubbed over w new, incendiary content. The bastard who did this should be charged w, at least, reckless endangerment.

rated.
Scanner: Yes, we Americans do have the constitutional right to self-implode.

Deborah: I don't know how you can be so sure of your allegations about who has what and why, but you do have the right to make them. Why must you sound so angry and insulting? You know very well I am aware of our constitutional right to free speech

With everybody exercising their freedom of speech, without concern for consequences, to the billions of the world’s electronically-connected people, it is not a stretch at all to foresee a conflagration of global proportions caused by one shady ex-convict with multiple aliases who is high on hate.


Marilyn: Thanks

Snowden: No, you don't talk too much.

jmac1949: I'll have to read your comment in context.
Jon: At the very least, he should be charged with plain old fraud.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Yeats wrote that in 1919, in a very different world.
But as in the post-WWI world, today's folks with level heads are not the ones calling the shots, making the plays.
This film thing is insane; so are the yahoos of three old and distinguished countries in East Asia needlessly raising blood pressures over heaps of rocks in ocean.

We all know better; let's act that way.
It is too easy to have our fanatics incite their fanatics to riot, but it takes participants on both sides with an interest in making sure that happens. Our fanatic enablers rush to defend the video, theirs rush to our embassies.

While this insulting crap is defended by our empty-minded fanatics under a thin veneer of free speech, the fact is they support enraging those fanatics and, when it puts Americans in harm's way, bend that into a defense of their brain-dead fanaticism. Then, as if they hadn't killed off enough IQ points, those who criticize the ignorant video are accused of assaulting free speech. This from the same fools who claim to know the Constitution.

Deborah,
Your track record of relevant analysis is well established. However, in spite of that I'll go ahead and point out that whoever launched the attack in Libya didn't need cover to do so. In your world where logical connections are invisible and alien, the protests in 11 countries were all about setting up the Libya attack...that didn't need such cover. Adding to the obliviousness, and subtracting from your stature, the video their fanatics used to incite those fanatics wasn't used. No, it was just a spontaneous eruption of hatred, no matter what the protesting fanatics claim.

Politely stated, politics, logic and analysis ain't your forte.
Lezlie this is the brave new world in which we live. The internet has changed all the old rules, sometimes for the good but most often for the worse it would seem.

What can be done about it though, after all, freedom of speech is at the root of the problem. If history teaches us anything it is that when faced with the choice of freedom or security, people almost always chose security.
Excellent points, as always.
Natsuki: Well put, indeed. However, I'm not so sure we all know better. Ignorance begets ignorance.

Paul: I am really impressed by your polite restraint. It does take enablers to make these haters succeed.
I made a sort of similar comment on Ande's post. It's much too easy these days to find things to take offense at, to air offensive things, and to find like minds with crazy ideas. It may be as jmac says, just like men at the bar, except that now they kind all find each other.
Deborah says:

"Every religion and cult is mocked continuously in our country; only Islamists kill people."

I guess she's already forgotten (or conveniently failed to mention) the recent murderous attack on a Sikh temple by a white supremacist with impeccable American cultural values. As Paul mentioned, logic and analysis, not to mention statements of fact, obviously ain't Deborah's strong points.
David: Like everything else in life, every positive has a flip side. Freedom of speech should not displace reason.

postmormongirl: Thanks.

jlsathre: That’s the point I tried to make. Thanks.

nanatehay: Oh, there is a lot she has forgotten. Conveniently.
As much ado as is being made of this video, I'm convinced it's peripheral, and apparently, that is the current intelligence. As stupid and provocative as it is, the violent attacks in Libya on 9/11 would have occurred regardless.
Can I just say the whole situation horrifies me? ~r
Kathy: And I have said that here. The film is being used, however, to justify it and it is also the reason for the riots and embassy attacks in the other countries.

Joanie: Yes, it is.
this is not the technology. it's the same old naked ape. generations of american government oficers have pursued policies in the middle east either to control the price of oil for national benefit, or simply to enrich the buyers of oil and the sellers of guns. then there's the invasion of palestine by polish gangsters in the name of their religion...

result: widespread hatred and contempt of america, rage and shame at being unable to resist effectively, and a willingness among many to do anything at any cost if the result will be an american death. the internet might be the trigger, but the explosive is 'made-in-america,' the handiwork of american politicians long before electronics figured in international relations.
...the internet might be the trigger, but the explosive is 'made-in-america,' the handiwork of american politicians long before electronics figured in international relations.

Al, I don't disagree with this at all. My point is simply how easy it is for lunatics to pull the trigger and hit the powder keg that is the Middle East.
One could argue what that jackass did is the equivalent of shouting "fire" in a theater.
This is ultimately a function of bad Arab economies. Start with a bunch of impoverished humiliated young men who have no way out. What path can make them feel superior rather than inferior? Fundamentalism. Outrage ostensibly on behalf of God.

You don't see American Muslims flipping out, or Bosnians, or Turks, or most Indonesians, or the Muslims in India (the largest population in the world). You see guys in Libya, Palestine, Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen. This is the rage of young men looking for a way out of their dead-end lives and finding a target, even an irrelevant one.
Chicken Maaan: That's the way I see it.
I've been saying for years that Google will be the end of the world, WWIII!!!

And it seems to be getting closer to truth!!!!
Kosh: Sounds about right for an explanation for their volatility, but it doesn't change the argument about the ease with which some non-government person in the U.S. can set them off.
I wrote a lengthy comment about the responsibility of those in positions of influence, whether talking heads, politicians or others with public influence to stop the hate mongering and rhetoric designed to appeal to bigots and racists. What the hell is wrong with our country when politicians use language to incite anger and resentment toward other Americans, and other religions and people? How can we expect those in fringe groups to be responsible citizens when our own leaders are pushing their buttons?
r./
Onislandtime: I'm with you.
I imagine there are multiple factors at work. While few have seen the video, I heard that a dubbed in Arabic version was shown by one of the local stations but that doesn't quite matter. The thousands or millions who blew a fuse at the Danish cartoons hadn't all seen them.

The murder of Stevens and the others seems to have been planned and they used the mob as cover. One thing I'm not clear on is when the vid first went up on YouTube and when it first circulated in Libya. Those dates would make clearer the likelihood of the two actions being coordinated.

As for the protests and vandalism at other embassies, some is due to outrage (misplaced and excessive imo) about the vid while pent-up resentment of the US is another factor. It's hard to know how to weight them.
Excellent post. You put all my thoughts into words. It is a horrible mess and things are reaching a boiling point. Have you seen that film? It is so grade B. Stilted. America is hated with or without the film and this ancient strife is something that has to be resolved one way or another. It is a holy war and I don't know why America is involved at all. I was so happy the Democrats had those changes in their platform and disappointed that they were put back in. Obama sure has his hands full. We all do. It is a mess in cyberspace and in real life too.
L, I'm not buying your thesis. There is too much evidence that this thing has nothing to do with the film. If it hadn't been for the Egyptian embassy's damn-fool denunciation of the film, almost nobody would know it existed. You are just mouthing the administration's line, which is designed to cover up its own foreign-policy failings.
One thing is certain, that Arab Sand-Storm, AKA, Arab Spring, started on the internet. Let's not forget that we helped get rid of three dictators (Saddam, Qaddafi, Mubarak) that were putting a lid a that s**t storm. The killing of the Ambassador in Libya was preplanned to coincide with the 9/11 anniversary. The rest of the demonstrations taking place now have much more to do with anti-Americanism than with that video. To us the war in Iraq is over; to them, it is 2 million dead Iraqis and 2 million displaced.

These demonstrators, however, do not represent the majority of Muslims. They are a bunch of ignorant savages. In fact, earlier, Hillary Clinton was greeted with tomatoes and shoes because of the rumor that the US rigged the elections in Egypt in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The only thing I would say to those right wingers all up in arms about free speech is this: Go to the American Embassy in Egypt, go inside, go up to the balcony, and then tell the mob about free speech! Excellent post, Lezlie. R
Well the 24/7 news cycle is only too happy to report on Muslim violence all over the Middle East. Something to take the place of Brittany Spears or the campaign I suppose.

The unhealthy emphasis on Muslim religious violence ignores the violence perpetrated by just about every religion in the world by its most extreme elements with the possible exception of Buddhism. Frankly, I don't know of any extreme Buddhist violence against other religions, but if someone would point that out to me that would be great.

Let's review the facts: Baptist church bombers in Alabama in the 1960s. . Protestants and Catholics killing each other in Northern Ireland.

Jewish extremists shooting at Palestinians and murdering Prime Minister Peres.

Hindu extremists engaging in anti-Muslim riots in India and massacring hundreds or thousands of Muslims at a time.

I could go on and on, providing current examples of religious extremism and violence.

Relgious extremism of any stripe is more often than not a symptom of a greater social disease. Conditions of extreme income inequality, lack of job opportunity, repressive governments, and demagogues capable of inciting mayhem for their own power and ego thinly disguised as a holy war are merely sparks that set off religious violence.

As to the particular conditions in the Middle East, let us not forget America's major interest in oil and its automatic support of ruling elites to keep our petroleum addiction going. Let's not forget the weapons that our foreign aid supplies to those rulers so that they can torture and kill innocents in their countries.

The Muslims of Libya and elsewhere don't riot against American embassies because they hate Christianity necessarily. They riot because of our power relations that we impose on Middle Eastern countries.

If the Muslims hate Christianity so much why didn't they bomb the Dutch or Swedish embassies?
1. A match will go out quickly. It's the powder kegs we store there which are the issue.

2. This is why we didn't assist Egypt's democracy movement until it was a national embarrassment in the world press and we had little choice but to save face as the great arbiters of democracy...except, we don't want democracy there because we have been shitting on these people and raping their natural resources for so long that they are justifiably anti-US. This is why almost all of our allies are dictators, monarchies, emirates or Turkey (and Israel).

3. The only consequence to the truth is the end of tyranny. Just because we're the ones who are tyrannical doesn't mean we shouldn't still be opposed to it. It's what the founding fathers would have done.
To those who believe that poverty and 'humiliation' are the cause of Islamic rage, think about the fact that the biggest exporter of hate - and the funds to buy weapons to act our that hate - is Saudi Arabia, which is hardly a poor country.

Iran, which is also a 'middle-class' country with no reason to be 'humiliated', is the same.

Don't forgot that the 9/11 terrorists were well-educated, middle-class men.

As for technology being the cause of war, the Crusades, Islamic conquests, Mongols, Alexander the Great, and two World Wars were all started without a computer in sight.
As someone who can remember when there was no internet, and has born witness to its development, it seems that people are figuring out what can be done with it, even as it advances rapidly in terms of technological capabilities. Some will figure out dangerous actions faster than others can figure out ways to stop them.
Personally, it is the old Cold War "Deterrence" argument. Just as these nut-jobs can start something, the saner bunch on the Internet can counter-attack. But I would not worry too much, most people who use the Internet have a short attention span. Most people forget rather quickly.
We are deep in world war three right now. The combatants are not the people duped into killing they are the powers that seek domination of every aspect of daily life. The war is one of deception and duplicity hidden in the ether of the online world and it's roots go deep into China.
It has been reported that Al Qaida would attack US interests on the anniversary of 9/11 and it's wholly possible (or probable) that the pathetic video coincided with this. Also, it's been rumored that Israel who is itching to attack Iran had something to do with the video. All these aside, for decades we have been preaching to the rest of the world exactly how to live and that non-democratic nations MUST become democratic. The price that we pay for preaching and demanding is that eventually, the chickens always come home to roost. They have and now we don't like it. Our colonialism and strong arm tactics have been remembered and acknowledged.
Yes, it's awfully sobering, isn't it?
L-san:
hi, it's me again. i wrote a full-length version of the note i posted further up this sled. it's called Make Great Poets Envy Us. cheers.
From my viewpoint 'Arab Spring' was mainly machined by Americans; to prepare the area for the next big war.

Internet and so-called social media was a big part of CIA's work in the area to achieve regime changes and 'Arab Spring'. Now others are fighting back using quite similar tools.

The film was just an excuse for the pre-planned attack; it created the atmosphere so that locals could accept the attack.

I wrote earlier in my blog:

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"the big problem is that powerful intelligency agencies are well aware of the trend that people are trying to use the Net and social media to get more reliable information. And they are using the Net to spread their own misleading information nowadays especially there.

I'm quite sure CIA used especially the Net to arrange regime changes in the Middle East. It was probably by them during the elections in Iran, too; to spread rumors of that particular 'killed lady', who later seemed not to have been existing at all. "

http://open.salon.com/blog/hannu_virtanen/2012/07/13/are_we_reliable

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While CIA is spreading information in the social media, mainstream media is spreading mainstream lies about 'the enemies' in newspapers.

In Europe the discussion about the realities in Syria and in the region in general has already got a different tone.

Americans have admitted that they are supporting 'the rebels' in Syria, but who are 'the rebels' and what are they actually doing in Syria?

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"... the German government admitted that it had received several reports from the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, on the May 25 massacre in the Syrian town of Houla...

... at least three major German newspapers – Die Welt, the FAZ, and the mass-market tabloid Bild – have published reports attributing responsibility for the massacre to anti-government rebel forces or treating this as the most probable scenario.

Writing in Bild, longtime German war correspondent Jurgen Todenhofer accused the rebels of “deliberately killing civilians and then presenting them as victims of the government”. He described this “massacre-marketing strategy” as being “among the most disgusting things that I have ever experienced in an armed conflict”. Todenhofer had recently been to Damascus, where he interviewed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for Germany’s ARD public television."

http://open.salon.com/blog/hannu_virtanen/2012/08/12/americas_syrian_policy

Please see this, too:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/German_Intelligence:_“al-Qaeda”_All_Over_Syria/20704/0/0/0/Y/M.html

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So, it is no wonder, it was easy 'to pull the trigger'.

There is already a big war going on in the Net. America's intelligency agencies (aided by Google and others) have been until now the most skilled to use these tools, but others are learning the game, too.
This is a great blog bite! Highly informative and to the point. I've been in travel the past few weeks and missed some of the details of this story. Thanks L.
Nice to be sharing the home page with you. I've come late to the party, but let me bring this back into focus: will in the internet be responsible for World War III.

My answer is, in short, yes, and, as a matter of fact, it will also be fought on the internet where it has already begun.

We are overloaded with data, but data can be true or false, and we have no editorial mechanisms in place to evaluate the data and differentiate between the true and the false. As a consequence we are all operating on misinformation because it has become virtually impossible to back check the data back to its sources.

At the same time, there has been a tremendous increase in what I call the credulity factor. Time and time again, I read articles based on assumptions that I know are false on the basis of the facts at my disposal.

When any entity experiences data overload, the universal tendency through out the animal kingdom is to reduce the amount of input we are able to absorb. We do this by becoming increasingly selective about the amount of information we take in and the sources we get them from.

The end result of this process is anarchy, which is what you get when people insist on their own facts but draw those facts from opinions rather than real factual data.

The internet is the Tower of Babel, rebuilt.
Troubling indeed. At the root of it all is the sad fact that religious extremists can take things so seriously. It's not easy to live in a world where even a joke could someday potentially make things escalate to such crazy proportions....
There is a war going on the Net already, and there are many fronts.

Wars between big global powers, wars between big IT companies, intellingency agencies trying to misled general public...

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http://www.stonesoft.com/en/press_and_media/releases/en/2012/13082012.html

Press Release
Stonesoft: Gauss is a part of global cyber warfare

Helsinki, Finland – 13 August 2012 – The Gauss malware discovered in the Middle East has been one of the hottest topics in the media recently. Jarno Limnéll, Doctor of Military Science, Director, Cyber Security at Stonesoft, is not at all surprised about the discovery.

“Gauss is just another example of the cyber espionage that is going on all the time. As the information is stored in computers and networks, digital espionage is a significant threat both in politics and business globally. Because of this, it is crucial that organizations protect themselves by using security systems that are dynamic and flexible enough to meet the ever evolving threats”, said Dr. Limnell.

The Russian security company Kaspersky Lab announced the discovery of the Gauss malware at the end of last week. The virus has been compared to Flame and Stuxnet, both nation-state sponsored espionage malware. Limnéll believes this is also the case with Gauss.

“I believe that the purpose of Gauss is to spy on bank transactions in the Middle East. More than two third of the infections have been discovered in Lebanon, the home base of the political and military Hezbollah organization. In a state of war, Hezbollah would represent Iran, so it would attack against Israel. Information about bank transactions in Lebanon would naturally be beneficial in that situation, for example to evaluate the arms trades”, Limnéll said.

Dr. Limnéll says that the likelihood of a severe cyber conflict is constantly growing, and Gauss just backs up this trend.

“Stuxnet, Duqu, Flame and Gauss are just a peek into the future. More and increasingly sophisticated malware is constantly being developed around the world. It is quite interesting that Kaspersky has discovered all the most significant malware that has recently been featured in the media. It is also quite likely that all four have been developed at the same location. President Obama has already announced that Stuxnet was produced by the United States. This may be the case also with regard to Gauss. Kaspersky is a Russian company – could it be that their discoveries are part of the cyber war between United States and Russia, where US cyber weapons are being revealed?” Limnéll speculates.

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And today we read that hundreds of millions of computers are vulnerable for targeted attacks:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/german-it-security-agency-warns-of-security-problem-with-internet-explorer/2012/09/18/da280c6e-0161-11e2-bbf0-e33b4ee2f0e8_story.html

By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, September 18, 2:24 PM AP

BERLIN — The German government agency overseeing IT safety is warning of a security breach in Microsoft’s Internet Explorer and recommending people use other browsers until the problem is fixed.

The browser’s “weak point is already being used for targeted attacks,” the Federal Office for Information Security warned, adding that the code behind the attack is freely available online and might therefore spread rapidly.

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As common users of the Net, we have got little means to find out, what the big players are doing behind the scene.
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