The New American Witch Hunt: It's Getting Scary Out There
First, there was Senator Charles Grassley’s not-so-funny suggestion that the heads of A.I.G. should commit public suicide, and then in yesterday’s Senate hearing Edward Liddy, the Chairman of A.I.G. detailed the numerous death threats the employees of the company had been getting, some of them quite horrific. Senator Barney Frank asked for the names of those employees getting bonuses, which Liddy offered if there could be assurances of confidentiality which Frank denied; and this morning on the Bill Press show, angry listeners called in over and over demanding those names be made public.
Press, never my favorite talk show host, made the most reasonable counter argument, that the callers anger was somewhat misdirected and that revealing the names would do no one any good and the employees much harm, a sentiment with which I am in complete agreement.
After all, what are we, the American public going to do? Go to their houses and burn something on their lawns? Tar and feather them? Harass their children? Make prank phone calls?
These men and women took bonuses, yes. But are they criminals? No. And what good does it do to name names? Doesn’t just that phrase “naming names” strike fear in the hearts of those of us who remember its other use not that long ago? Are our memories so short that we really don’t get it?
The employees of A.I.G. may be lazy, immoral, or just plain greedy. But the people who deserve our wrath are not unknown to us.
Hank Paulson is very known to us. He and his boss, our former President George W. Bush are first and foremost the two who rushed us into the largest amount of bailout money to A.I.G. in the first place, when, panicked, they panicked Congress, and by extrapolation, us, into bailing out the giant corporation on the fly—with no conditions and no assurances. We handed them a gift and that’s that.
When you give someone a gift they can do whatever the hell they want with it.
Later, we gave them another gift. And then another.
Our outrage is misplaced. Belated. After the fact. OUR outrage should be at Paulson, Bush, Bernanke, the Congress, Geithner, and now, I am afraid, also at President Obama.
But not at the poor shlubs at A.I.G. who got the bonuses. A witch hunt and an attempt to out the people who took those bonuses is a waste of time and energy and diverts attention from the real problem. WHY are we handing money to companies without accounting for where that money goes and to whom it goes in the first place?. Billions of dollars went to A.I.G. who then diverted some millions of it some of its employees. But what about the billions that went to now out of business banks and foreign investment companies? And what about a company who was making those kinds of deals in the first place when it was not its place to be doing that sort of thing? A company that not only put its own future in jeopardy but the future of dozens of other companies as well as the financial well being of an entire country?
Senator Joseph McCarthy almost brought our country down searching for a Red Menace that didn’t exist. Let’s not divert ourselves looking for little bad guys in the suburbs when we know where the real villians reside.

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However, I agree that, yet again, the media is stoking misdirected fires. It's distraction, always distraction. Well said.
The "financial bailout" was the last big ripoff by the last administration. Why it continues into the new admin. I don't know and good point. And although I do not think that a single one of them should get bonus's paid for from the tax rolls (if they made a profit then sure, pass out bonuses) I would agree that it is in fact a "witch hunt" to try to call out the names of those receiving.
The situation does create the chance a satisfactory resolution. Congress could offer AIG directors and employees a choice: Those who give the full money back remain anonymous, those who don't take their chances with the mob.
And don't confuse lawful with moral when it comes to criminality. Witch burning was once lawful - but still a criminal act.
And if I give you money to pay your rent and you decide to use it on a drunken binge, think I won't be pissed?
The blame lies with everyone who's more interested in preserving our system than preserving people (yes, the liars equate the two, I know) - which is about 95% of this country.
As for contracts, um, contracts are broken ALL THE TIME. You know when you sign that waver before you do some semi-dangerous sport? Well, that waiver means absolutely nothing in a court of law if negligence is discovered.
The company has been sold and is, frankly, dead in the water anyway. That's an excellent reason to renegotiate contracts although a reason isn't really needed. A "good job" was certainly not done. Bonuses should be withheld.
And are these people criminals? There are two kinds of criminals. Those who break the written law. And those who break every moral and ethical code that they can. I do, indeed, think of these people as criminals. The bonuses are going, not to the peons in the company, but mostly to the major contributors who actually helped move along the crisis we now have. I think they should be stripped of their jobs, their bonuses and their severance frankly. But then, that's just me.
I don't agree with death threats AT ALL. But do the American people have a right to be angry at their behavior?
Yes. Yes, they do.
It resulted in a the company driven to take risks far beyond what was and is acceptable for an "insurance" based company. The investigations need to be into it. Legislation and regulation is unquestionably called for.
And you cannot forget, I believe, Mr. Gram and his co-horts who broke down the fundamental financial system that protected the country from this sort of disaster since the depression--and the party that let him get away with it.
Then there is one other in my book: the faux "liberals" who in '00 and '04 defaulted from our political system at time when it was obvious realty took precidence over their tired "anti-politics" ideology, and let this country fall to the absolute bottom.
I'm not crazy about the bandwagon that has developed either, but it is systemic change that needs to be the ultimate focus.
Now, especially since the TARP funds did nothing to improve the economy....remember, all these corporations begged for money because they "needed it so badly".....and the economy has only worsened, isn't it a natural reaction to become furiously angry over corporations and large banks who care for no one but themselves and their own wallets when they turn around and hand out money to failures?!!! It might be legal but it's also UNPRINCIPLED, UNETHICAL, and IMMORAL!!!!! (aren't all those Republican CEOs from the "family values" party? The "Christian" party? The absurdly named "pro-life" party?) Yet, when it comes to jamming money into their own pockets, they're actually surprised to receive death threats?!!
This is the nation of the gun, a huge, bullying military, a brutal, torturing CIA, a gigantic weapons industry, all staunchly supported by corporate America....and now the poor dears are getting death threats? At least some Americans are still alive enough to create some resistance!!
And although I do not advocate violence and am totally non-violent myself, yeah, it's Paulson and Bush who should be strung up from the nearest lamp post!!.... or tried for high treason, for deliberately looting the U.S. Treasury (as I wrote to all 100 senators!).......we'll see about that.....still plenty of time for that.....
I hope you'll look at my new post "(AIG and Al-Qaeda Both Begin with A (I'm just saying ...)" and perhaps comment.
You are so right!
The bonuses were supposed to be retention bonuses. 54 of them have left AIG and I expect many more to follow. That is one hot kitchen right now. Not much retention there. How do you deserve a bonus in you are not retained?
That said, I do agree that there is more than enough blame to go around, but still I feel like I've been flim-flammed by one corporate group after another my whole life.
Let us not forget that Treasury Secretary Paulson and former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin both served as top executives at Goldman Sachs --and now they are going to appoint Lewis Alexander from Citigroup to Treasury! I think it is very important to know just who it is that I do NOT want to be further rewarded (appointed) for failure.
The media push back against outrage over AIG bonuses is an failed attempt to make us, the public, feel small so that we will disregard the obvious! It is obvious that greed has grown beyond the boundaries of government regulation and management; yet, the pushback would urge the public to follow that the government will somehow keep everything under control. This is short sighted if not blind.
All of these executives (AIG, Goldman Sachs, and the Treasury Secretaries) are manipulating the world economy today! Rigid thinking and unwillingness to understand that our economy is iglobal, integrated like a small village, with a mutual "butterfly effect" (the mutual influence of everyone on everyone) will only exacerbate the crisis.
Let us NOT ignore $165 million butterflies!
That is only, as I said above, misdirection. OUR anger is being misdrected so it isn't be directed at those it should be directed against.
Helloooooo! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Remember that sleight of hand???
But I'm not sure the AIG execs "didn't do anything illegal." That's yet to be proven. I'd like them investigated, along with all top management of all companies and banks and car makers taking bailout money.
How did their companies and institutions get into such horrendous financial shape? How could they in good conscience go on taking obscenly large bonuses while laying off employees and knowing their books were in the red?
Those at the top get the big bonuses because they're expected to produce big profits, not crash their companies. They're also supposed to be held accountable. I'd like to see that happen, but not in a witch hunt.
saying "he shouldn't have done it" is just smarmy hypocrisy when you agree to put in people in continuing temptation, when you admire 'getting rich', when you demand secrecy and freedom that makes 'financial engineering' possible.
real ethical behavior is to allow people to use the system they are in, and if you don't like the results- change the system.
Reading through the posts here the answer seems apparent: to reveal "the man behind the curtain."
How better will we recognize these executives when they will soon be "appointed" to public positions but alongside their greed and personal movtivation.
And to speak to Harry the Homeless specifically: Yes if you give a friend money for rent and he spends it on drink, it is a pisser. And if you hand a guy money on the street for food and he walks into a liquor store that's a pisser, too. But, on the other hand, it's his money. . . You always have the option to buy him a sandwich instead. Or, to pay the rent directly to the landlord. In our case, we gave AIG the money with no strings attached. That was our bad.
It's like janie said, all individuals are accountable. People are only in positions of power because we allow them to be. So to call out the gang in thieves in charge is to also call us out as a country as a whole, no?
A few here have already mentioned it, but there's some rumblings that the men and women of AIGFP ARE criminals in the legal sense of the word. Some talking heads are preaching for criminal investigations.
Sure, AIGFP didn't start the fire, but they sure as hell dumped napalm into it. Folks like me who are suffering as a consequence would like to see something done. Shoot, just one of those bonuses would pay off all my debts, my parent's debts, my sister's debts and still leave me comfortable.
Let me understand...the employees at AIG have already received the bonuses under one set of tax laws and exemptions put in place and voted on by our congress. In other words, given the O-K. After receiving the money under a KNOWN tax liability they will be taxed under a NEW tax liability they were unaware of when the accepted the bonus check. How can this be legal....and how can our government go back and blame the people that received the money instead of BEING ACCOUNTABLE and man-ing up about who put what where in the stimulus and who signed it. The anger is misplaced for sure.........the idiots who now run this place are A (arrogant) I (incompetent) G (goons). If I were an employee at AIG and made a decision to stay with the company instead of bolting immediately and promised compensation I would be finding a lawyer ASAP.
I think you have completly overlooked the power of the prank call. What if everybody who was ticked off actually called and asked if their refrigerator was still running?
My point is that if we want to change the system, we will have to refine our definitions of globalization, integral systems, and mutual responsibility by revealing why the relationships are not working.
WE are responsible to examine and scrutinize, and instead of blaming “them” we should blame ourselves for our inability to bring the scrutiny forward and make our voices heard.
Did I forget to say THANK YOU for your post :)
It is through contradiction, blogging it out, the solution will emerge.
Stellaa
March 19, 2009 01:36 PM
How about the distrust of our politicians who sat back and watched all this happen while raking in money frrom these same corprorations?
The bottom line is that this is all political posturing by all sides.
The practically of the matter is simple. The gov says it bought AIG. Well when you buy a business you buy its assets and liabilities. You buy the contracts it must perform upon and the contracts that it expects performance on.
And it really does not matter (except for the public display of hypocrisy) whose fault it is. Maybe Dodd, maybe Giethner, maybe all the congressman that didn't read the stimulus bill.
What matters is the gov now wants to breech a contact and justify it by telling you and I how despicable the AIG employees are. Well it is irrelevant. The gov got caught with its pants down and it want to
change contracts. In a sense the gov screwed this up just as badly as the banks screwed their stuff up and as many individuals as well.
Now the gov has to admit its mistake and man up.
There is an option. It is called bankruptcy. Apparently they did not want that in the first place.
But the gov did one better. Instead of taking this to contract court, they let them have the bonus and are passing laws to tax select individuals in society. I am listening to Polosi lie on TV right now by insisting these are bonuses for criminals. They were employment contracts.
And now that the gov will get their 165M back as tax will AIG still owe the full TARP etc loan, or do they owe 165M less. Let me guess, the gov will actually get paid twice on this.
There were other easy measures. Let it go to court is one. Or
drop the tax crap and let the employees get paid sometime in the future when AIG is profitable and has paid the gov back.
If Obama has any balls he will veto this tax thing. Own up to the fact that this is a contract issue that the gov is on one side of and individuals are on the other side and let the courts settle it.
If I were Liddy, I would immediately increase the payments by 10 fold so the employees still get the full pay. Then congress can up the tax rate t0 99% and let the games begin.
Liddy should resign. He offered to help just to be ragged on publicly. If I were him I would have told Barney Frank to F off and run AIG himself. Yea, lets let all those idiots in congress try to run that mess. You think they would thank him for his service.
I will take bets this will go to the Supreme Court if the bill passes.
Good comment, Joseph Cole.... this tax bullshit they just passed is so unconstitutional it isn't even funny. And it will go straight to the Supreme Court.
As for the prank phone calls: if that were all that happened, that would be okay. Someone like Madoff had body guards to protect him. But for the average Bonus Joe, I am genuinely worried. There are a lot of true nutcases out there. Someone could easily get hurt.
However, I think SOME public outrage is appropriate in the circumstances. IF the company was paying these people's bonuses out of the company's own pocket, I might think it inappropriate, but I wouldn't be outraged. I do however, think it's deeply inappropriate for private individuals of a company that performed so badly it had to be bailed out to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer's money to accept huge bonuses, promised or not, that are funded by the public's money. They CAN do it, looked at from the exec's point of view, they're obligated to do it. It doesn't make it right that the public should pay them these bonuses because the company cannot. We need to stimulate the economy, I'm not arguing that. But line certain private pockets? NO.
This may turn out to be a fight between Obama supporters and the Obama administration. That would be a great blog.
While I will grant that much of the outrage coming from Congress smacks of the Claude Rains line in Casablanca -- they are shocked, shocked! to find that gambling is going on -- it doesn't change the fact that paying millions of dollars to the people who caused our financial woes is offensive, especially when so many people whose annual pay is in the five-figure range are being laid off.
Yes, Congress should never have changed the law so that AIG could get into the hedge fund business. Yes, somebody should have been guarding the henhouse. But also yes, the people working at AIG -- the hot shots being paid these bonuses out of our tax dollars -- should have known better. They did know better.
I don't know that their behavior wasn't criminal. I hope someone is looking into that. I don't pretend to be an expert on the laws governing insurance, securities, and all those other issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if some indictments come down, sooner or later.
As for the contracts, there are bound to be a few holes in them, but whether they can be canceled or not is the kind of legal dispute that will spend ten years in the courts. Me, I say it's worth a try to see if the greedy bastards are willing to sue over their taxpayer funded bonuses. But that's a judgment call, and it might end up costing more money than it saves.
Of course, the money should never have been given to AIG or anyone else without a huge list of restrictions, starting with bonuses and CEO pay. But the foxes who ran the henhouse in the former administration didn't seem to want to do that, and now we're stuck with their deals. Going forward we will do better (I trust), but a lot of money poured out the door without any oversight.
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Glad that you're back. Congrats on the well-deserved EP. :)
Am I mad as hell and not going to take it any more (re that excellent move Network?) Yes, absofuckinglutely. But let's use our anger to write and lobby congress to clean up THEIR act, pass campaign reform and let them know we are watching them very closely. That we know who is truly to blame. NO MORE BLANK CHECKS. NO MORE RUSHED BAILOUTS. NO MORE PANIC ATTACKS where we act without thinking and react without really knowing what we are doing.
And what about us, the American public? Those of us who didn't make our opinions known to our elected officials, so that they'd stop for a moment and think about the potential consequences of giving a sum this large with no strings attached. Those of us who didn't have time or just didn't bother to learn anything more about these enormous, gift-wrapped packages than what we saw on the news, or the extremely brief summary we read in the paper?
Let's not forget who put these folks in office, let's not forget that they are motivated by votes, and let's not forget that we are all partially responsible for the current financial fiasco.
I can agree wholeheartedly with you that we don’t need to publicly reveal the names of the individuals who received the bonus monies. I also agree fully that there are plenty of bigger fish to fry. But I’m not sure I agree with your assessment that our outrage should not be directed at “…the poor shlubs at A.I.G. who got the bonuses”.
Consider the following quote from NYTimes.com:
WASHINGTON — The bonuses that the American International Group awarded last week were paid to 418 employees and included $33.6 million for 52 people who have left the failed insurance conglomerate, according to the office of the New York attorney general.
The company paid the bonuses, including more than $1 million each to 73 people, to almost all of the employees in the financial products unit responsible for creating the exotic derivatives that caused A.I.G.’s near collapse and started the government rescue to avoid a global financial crisis.
Did we all get that? 33.6 million dollars paid to 52 people are no longer with the company; more than 1 million to each of 73 people and undisclosed amounts to others all who worked in that department of AIG that actually created the exotic derivatives that CAUSED the company’s near collapse. Of course, apparently the only reason the company did not collapse is because of some the bailout money provided by taxpayers’ money. Would it be safe to say that these people who received these bonuses actually DID cause its collapse and that taxpayers then saved it?
I have to say that “the poor schlubs at A.I.G. who got the bonuses” most definitely are worthy of outrage from the rest of us. But I definitely agree with your larger point that naming names might endanger them and/or their families, so no, don’t name names.
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I consider the comparison to giving money to a street person to feed himself who then spends it on alcohol specious. I am not at all offended when I give money to a homeless alcoholic drugged out lost soul and then see they spend it on alcohol or drugs. I expect that to happen, in fact. What I don't expect is when a reputable homeless shelter starts to go bust and begs me for money, I give a bunch, quickly, to help keep the doors open, and then stop by to find the staff having a party with a rented frozen margarita machine. THAT seems like a more reasonable comparison to make when calibrating my outrage.
The major problem is that people don't understand the significance of this type of reform. Campaign finance reform is boring. It isn't sexy. It doesn't get votes. It does get the wealthy special interest groups donating to those campaigns as soon as reforms are mentioned.
We need to overcome the First Amendment issue which allows people to donate to campaigns; the donation is considered free speech.
I just had a comment from someone else about this, and I had mentioned that I posted a proposed system of reform somewhere on Salon. I'm going to look for it, clean it up and repost it on my OS blog.
I'd be interested in hearing your ideas about reform, and what we can do.
There seems to be so much misinformation and so many assumptions that go on around this bailout and economy mess. Joseph Cole makes a point that I intended to: these bonuses are part of those employees' pay structure; if they weren't guaranteed a bonus (usually based on their performance review), then they would have been paid more to begin with. And as far as their performance goes, of course they're not all criminals and cheats. This term "executives" probably goes twenty layers deep and includes thousands of hard-working, honest schmucks doing their various jobs, perhaps managing accounting or IS departments or running the maintenance department. Seriously, I wish people would be more thoughtful about the whole thing.
I think many people are in the habit of behaviorist thinking; that is, they think in terms of punishment and reward. This is such a mistake. We should be able to hold two concepts in our heads at the same time: 1. that it's unfair that AIG executives who ran their company into the ground are getting big bonuses from taxpayers, and 2. that it's nevertheless better for our economy to continue to loan money to AIG and other financial institutions.
This reminds me of conservatives who keep talking about how "unfair" it is to "reward" those people who greedily bought homes or bigger homes they couldn't afford. Well, it may not be fair to keep them in their homes in spite of their poor decision, but that is the course of action that is best for the economy overall. So a few people get away with something. People need to be able to live with that.
Another example: bad teachers. I have friends who can't stand that there are so many bad teachers out there. (I agree. And I'm a teacher.) When I say the answer is to dramatically increase the salaries and status of teachers--all of them, now--she simply can't stomach the idea of "rewarding" the current bad ones. Again, if you are forward looking, you will understand that it's better to reward a few bad ones now with a policy that's practically guaranteed to bring in the cream of the future crop--the best minds who usually go into law or medicine or engineering or, ahem, writing.
I don't know enough about the bonuses and who is getting them at AIG to really know how to feel about what actually happened - my perceptions are wildly skewed by the media reports and constant stream of outrage from the politicians. However, it does seem to me that AIG was irresponsible. When your company requires a huge taxpayer bailout, you don't hand out bonuses per usual. Look at healthy companies like HP - 10% salary cuts across the board, no exceptions. Probably bonus were significantly impacted too. It doesn't seem that AIG implemented any such measures prior to the anger coming out of Washington. It's beyond ironic that they are tightening their belt BEFORE needing a bailout, while AIG continues with business as usual after a bailout. Clearly, something is a little rotten in Denmark.
The recipients of the bonuses may have been incompetents who screwed the company, but they did not go to AIG's finance department and say, OK, cut me a check for a million bucks just because I said so. Someone wrote on a contract to give them the money. When the government took over the company, they also took over the contracts. But they did not do jack about them. Up till the point they came due, and then even PAID the bonuses. So the recipients, well, I don't even know what they think, since the check's still in the mail probably. And now the whole country wants to string them up with piano wire. "OK, geez, if you're going to be like this, why did you send me the check in the first place?".
So who's the real witches? Try the guys who wrote the contracts in the first place, and the guys who knew about the contracts but didn't do shit for months, and the guys who paid them out.
I voted for Obama (damn) and it pains to see even he go after the wrong witches. It's very sad to see the country like this. Such a shame.
Do something, people say. So Congress does. And what they do is a knee jerk reaction which doesn't solve the problem.
Fine. You tax the bonuses of the employees whose companies took TARP money at 90 percent if they're over x dollars. Big whoop.
Does it solve the problem we're facing? Does it help AIG sell itself off so that we, the people can get paid back? Does it help them unwind a single CDS? Does it help AIG write a single profitable insurance policy? Does it create a single job?
No, it does not. Let's focus on what is important instead of getting distracted by one tenth of one percent of what we've pumped into AIG.
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although they never told me.
Anyone who loves me could go and buzz it up. That would be great!!!!