Lisa Solod Warren

Lisa Solod Warren
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Writer, Mother, Mother, Writer I have been a newspaper writer and editor, a magazine writer and editor, a publicist and an advertising copywriter. I now write essays and short fiction. My work has been published in literary journals, magazines and anthologies and some of it is available if you go to my website at www.lisasolodwarren.com and follow the links. My first book Desire: Women Write About Wanting was published by Seal Press in late 2007. I have a new essay entitled "A Clean, Well-Cluttered Place" in the anthology Dirt: Writers on the Quirks, Passions and Habits of Keeping House (ed. Mindy Lewis) published by Seal Press, May 2009 I also write novels and have had two literary agents who have loved my work but have been unable to share that love with New York editors. I am hoping that my almost completed new novel will change that. Visit me at www.lisasolodwarren.com

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OCTOBER 21, 2009 9:50PM

Women's Work is Still Not Done. Nor is Men's

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I don’t think I or any woman I know needs to read  The Shriver Report:  A Women’s Nation Changes Everything http://www.awomansnation.com/ by  Maria Shriver and The Center for American Progress.  Although the Report is being  highly touted as important on several NBC programs, all the women I know know exactly what our state is:  Pretty hectic and too often unrewarded compared to the work we do. 

 Our children and our husbands or partners might benefit from reading the report. Maybe then, they would take us seriously when we say we just can’t handle any more on our plate right now.  Society should agitate for laws that enforce equity where it can be enforced, too.  Then maybe the whole debate would stop becoming a “woman’s” problem as in fact one of the Report's contributors,  sociology professor Michael Kimmel points out in his contribution.

The big deal report is being touted as groundbreaking, but I find far more groundbreaking President Obama admitting in an interview with NBC’s Samantha Guthrie Wednesday night that he like all men, is “obtuse.”

It is just that obtuseness, even from decent men, that keeps women too damned busy with too little time for ourselves, whether it is time to just sit and think or time to take care of ourselves so that we live long enough to fulfill all of our obligations.  Only in fairy tales do dead mothers become the stuff of romance and do orphaned children rise to meet the challenges of life. In the real world, women hold the whole damned thing up.  And, at least in my case, the fear of dropping something, if not everything, is often very real.

My first marriage to a smart and decent man was one in which I not only worked part time  and contributed income in various ways, but also did everything, and I mean everything, else.  I am now a single mother with a teenage daughter still at home.  I have a son with addiction issues who is back in college after a long hiatus.  I have a dying father in Tennessee and a mother who has Alzheimer’s and is an alcoholic living in assisted living in Rhode Island. Luckily I have two sisters who are also helping with the parents.  I am recently separated and have to do all the chores that I asked my husband to do for the two years we were married.   Note:  asked.  I am trying to make a living.  When I get sick I get up and take my daughter to school anyway. If I do not do what is to be done, it will not get done.  Multiple stressors have been hard to deal with and I hardly take care of myself many days. I certainly don’t want to take on the care of anyone else right now.  But, of course, if I had to, I would.  For the past several months all the complications listed above have made me nearly shut down at times.  I haven’t even been writing much. And yet my life is nothing compared to some of my friends’ or to the story I saw on the news last night about a woman who works 12 hour days as a nurse, works a side job as a hospice worker, has children for whom she cares and cleans and cooks, and has also, in the past several years, taken in her father, her mother-in-law and her uncle to care for them until they died. Hers is not an unusual story. There are millions of such tales.

 

I am a feminist and have been since the age of fifteen when I turned down a Saturday night date because I just didn’t like the guy enough to go out with him.  My girlfriends were stunned but I sat home and watched The Mary Tyler Moore Show and was happy as a clam.  I didn’t lie to the guy who asked me out, either; I didn’t tell him I had to wash my  hair or that my mother wouldn’t let me go. I just told him “thank you” and “no” as gently as I could.  I remember well thinking I never wanted to marry and have children, partly because, as Richard Lewis so beautifully put it,  I wasn’t raised, I was lowered.  I had the typical neglectful parents (think Mad Men rather than Father Knows Best) and a mother who didn’t seem really glad she had had my two sisters and me.

But the other thing was that I liked men.  I still do. At least the ones I like. I like having a man in my  when I decided I did indeed want them.  And I don’t think that men in general are evil:, they just remain clueless, or as Obama says, obtuse,  despite women’s every effort to wake them up.  I don’t think most of us women want to give up on men or love but we do get damned tired of having the same old discussions over and over and over.

As recently as last year, while on a book tour for the book of essays I edited, entitled Desire: Women Write About Wanting, one of my contributors was reading from her essay on choosing between having more than one child or climbing the career ladder, to rapt attention by an audience of middle aged men and women.  At the end of her reading, several men raised their hands; they wanted to talk about this whole idea of “choosing.” Several of the men said that they had never even thought of it that way, while all the women in the audience just rolled their eyes. My writer was kind and sympathetic when she explained the dilemma so many women face. And every time I have gone to an artist’s colony, women writers and painters have been stunned to learn I have more than one child.  “When do you do your work?” they ask and add: “One was enough for me.”  My answer is always that I fit my work in.  I wanted children and they have always been my first priority.  But I have never ever heard a man say that he “fits his work” or “fits his art” in around raising kids. In fact, many famous women artists either never married or never had children, which is not surprising, while Dickens, for example, had  both a wife and nine kids.  And wrote and wrote and wrote anyway.

Which is why The Shriver Report does not impress me much. What does it tell us that we don’t already know?  That we now make up fifty percent of the workforce when we didn’t before? Okay, but for many years more women than men have been getting college educations, so the expanding work force makes sense. That women are the primary breadwinners in two thirds of families?  That is interesting but I still haven’t seen a discussion around the possibility that more men were fired in this present recession because they were more expensive than women.  Anyone want to tackle that?  The thing is that whether women earned as much as their husbands or less, the majority of them have always had two other jobs to do when they get home:  manage the kids and  manage the house (and life in general).  I am assuming that women who make a lot of money or marry rich hire staff for cooking and cleaning and child rearing, unlike the rest of us. And in this country we still don’t have paid maternity leave or cradle to grave services for women and children like they do in many European nations.  Hell, we can’t even pass a reasonable health care bill without screaming and yelling from the conservative status quo which is mostly made up of white males trying to exercise their last vestiges of domination:, while at the same time a  Rockefeller/Time nationwide poll tells us, according to the Report, that “the battle of the sexes is over and has been replaced by negotiations….”  

 

According to the Report, “the poll results reveal a truce in the battle of the sexes, demonstrating that men and women are in agreement on many of the day-to-day work and family issues. The old line in the sand separating them has largely washed away. Indeed, both men and women agree that women’s movement into employment is good for the country. Virtually all married couples see negotiating about the rules of relationships, work, and family as key making things work at home and at work.”

Virtually ALL married couples?

 Are they kidding?

Maybe people are doing more de facto negotiating but  I would argue that for the most part what is happening  is  some  tacit negotiation resulting in the woman either taking on the role of doling out household and familial duties, or just giving up and doing it all because it’s much easier that way.

That may be partially our fault:   women are able to multi-task better than men.  And every woman I know is far more capable of juggling six things at a time than any man.  But it is also genetic.  We are innate nurturers and caregivers. Even when the caregiving seems overwhelming, most of us have keen senses of duty and responsibility:  we do what we have to do.  The fact that we are working outside the home too doesn’t negate our sense that we can do the work inside the home better than most men, although I know plenty of sloppy households where no one seems to clean up.  (I am sure there are men out there who will argue with me about stereo-typing , but let’s be honest:  just because one man cooks or takes care of the kids doesn’t make it a trend.  Articles are still being written—and have been written for two decades—about stay-at-home dads as though it is a new phenomenon rather than de rigueur. And the fact remains that men are emasculated by being fired as is evidenced every time one is interviewed about unemployment, while women, far more flexible about work—even in high level jobs—frequently re-invent themselves when  let go, rather than moping about being “defeminized.”)

The truth is that Shriver’s report doesn’t really tell us anything particularly good about women in America today. What it is is a recommendation to government and society to get its shit together and realize women are no longer second class citizens.   We need to stop assuming that women are interested in taking a place in a male-dominated workplace, bumping up against a glass ceiling and then going  home and getting dinner ready for the kids before they run them to soccer practice. We need real equity, not lip service from either our partners or the government.

We need a seriously family-friendly and woman- friendly country, something we have needed for centuries, well  before half the women worked outside the home.    But watching the Equal Rights Amendment fail, listening to men screaming about women’s right to choose, watching the wrangling on health care even while women often pay more for health insurance and children remain largely uninsured discourage me.  American men in power are waging trillion dollar wars and we can’t even come up with the impetus or the money for wellness.  Middle-aged women across the country are taking care of children and parents, all while working.  Divorced women usually have substandard lifestyles and pregnancy out of wedlock is still frowned upon unless the woman is a celebrity.  Domestic violence remains a huge social issue.  As does pay inequity:  we may be half the workforce but we still have to fight for equal pay for equal work as the recent Lily Ledbetter court case illustrates.

The problems in the Report are ones that have been with us forever.  It would be nice if we could stop writing reports and actually do something to get a handle on all of this. That would be a real negotiation.

  

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Yes! Yes, yes, and yes. Mmmm hmmm. Yes yes yes! Yesssssssss. Did I mention yes? How about mmm hmmm? Did you get an mmmm hmmm? Do I hear an mmmmm hmmmmm?? DO I? DO I HEAR AN MM HMMM FROM THE WOMEN OUT IN OS LAND? The women standing here in this virtual room listening to Sister Lisa on her megaphone?

Do I hear a YES?

YES! YES! YES!

p.s. great essay. I'm with you.
Thanks, sistah Sandra!!!!!!!!!
Lisa, This is outstanding. I need to mull some things over and make comments that won't be obtuse. But it's past my bedtime. Great work.
Yes! Although I have to admit that my experience has been the exception, I don't see how anyone can doubt that this is the norm.
A resounding yes! Obtuse? yes. Exhausted women? yes. Will also comment more later. I have this conversation every day with my husband: Stop expecting me to work 40 hours a week PLUS do everything else. Are you crazy?!
Welcome back, girl. Once again, you've taken a tough topic and positively nailed it. There is still MUCH work to be done.
I'm interested in this:

At the end of her reading, several men raised their hands; they wanted to talk about this whole idea of “choosing.” Several of the men said that they had never even thought of it that way, while all the women in the audience just rolled their eyes.

Does it ever occur to women that we get to choose? Economically most women really don't, of course (as don't most men), but if we're talking about the choice of working part-time or staying at home with kids until they're school age--that is, about the women for whom that is a feasible financial choice--I would argue that it is a choice that men generally don't get to make. Socially speaking, it is still just not acceptable for a man to be supported by a woman.

I appreciate your struggle and often wonder how single women do it. The nurse you describe who was doing all that other stuff just exhausts me in the abstract. But I feel I need to throw a wrench into the conversation by pointing out that my husband works harder than I do, is more sentimental, and much less clueless about a lot of things. There's boatloads I can't stand about him--don't get me wrong--but generalizations about men and women just make me uneasy because they feel facile. I guess at the end of the day, we all bring our own experiences to the table. There were times in my life when I think this may have resonated more with me. At this particular moment, it doesn't apply. But I'm smart enough to know that it sure applies to many, and for them I am sympathetic and frustrated on their behalf. Thanks for the great post.
PS I adore that you chose Mary Tyler Moore over some guy you didn't like. I so loved that show.
PPS I think I'm going to slide out of here before you all give me some of your work ;)
Celebrities stating the obvious to make a splash. Brava...great observations.
Hear, hear! How many times does it need to be said before it sinks in: women are fucking sick and tired of doing the shit work, plus a full-time job, plus being the butt of sexism, "jokes" and all the rest of the crap that comes with being a second-class citizen. If one more man I've never met before says "Smile" to me, I am not responsible for my actions.
Nothing here I can disagree with. Shuttin' up now.
Excellent essay. Letty Cottin Pogrebin has been writing brilliantly about this stuff for years, in a series of ignored books. Somewhere she makes the point that simply thinking about household tasks, just organizing what has to be done and in what order constitute a whoole separate job that NO man ever undertakes. We just follow orders and ho where we're shoved. Initiating household work -- jumping up to do the dishes, or starting a load of laundry -- seems quite beyond the limits of the gender. Hell, we were all raised (or lowered, as you say) to be little princes. But some of us fight it. After 20 years, I'm pretty well-trained now. But I know my limitations.
Thanks, all you supportive and honest wimmin. We may have come a long way but we ain't there yet, far from it. :
And Lainey I understand your comment. Some of us may indeed get to choose, but more and more, most of us don't.

Stephen! Thanks for really getting it. Yes yes the scheduling (who will pick up Timmy, take Mary, go shopping, call the repairman, pay the bills, stop by the bank..........) IS a whole separate and complex job. Which is why so many women just say: fuck it, I'll do it myself. Men take instruction pretty well most times but we are tired of having to give it. How many times I have wished a man would just think up that it is time to change the sheets and vaccum.....
And yes Letty and Gloria and Susan Faludi and countless others have been writing about this for years. Which is just the point. Why does Shriver get the glory for what is a mundane assessment that has been being made for decades. And still, too little has been accomplished.
Happy for your commentary, and happy to avoid reading the report. Thanks.
"women hold the whole damned thing up" -- ain't that the truth. I think what gets lost in official reports is the social fabric of life -- all the other stuff besides work, besides childrearing; whether it's keeping the finances straight or remembering people's birthdays (when was the last time a man was in charge of that?)...all of that takes a lot of energy, and it's only when the woman is gone that people can recognize all the holes in that social fabric with no one there to sew them up. I'm also always a bit annoyed with the cutesie tone that Obama takes about women and "being in trouble with his wife", etc, when he is on these mainstream shows -- let's not hide behind the "I'm just a dumb husband like everyone else" stuff.
You are right, Lisa. Women are NOT second class citizens and this is a first rate (and well deserved EP and cover post) that proves it. Well done, my friend. xoxo
I loved that TV story about the nurse. At last they depicted an average life, not an extreme one.

When my husband couldn't find a job and I was completely supporting the family, I did half of the housework or more.

Now that he has the alpha job, and I have had to piece together up to 4 jobs to make ends still not meet because we moved 3 times in 7 years, I do 95% of the housework. If I don't, the house looks like a crack house.

I write, I'm a mathematician, I'm a musician, I'm trying to start a business, I'm preparing a scholarly paper for a conference, and 1-1 1/2 hours a day is spent on socks and garbage.

When I try to discuss this, my husband and son blink at me, silently, like goldfish.

There has been much research done on the effect of gender equality on sex. In more gender-equal societies and households, the husband gets more action.

Women's liberation liberates everybody.
Thanks for all your support! And to Coyote Sal: THAT is a true story. Work on getting the husband and kids to listen. It might happen one day. Or hand them this essay. I hear you, girl!
Lots to think about here. By the way, I am old enough (not really THAT old, but 62) to remember clearly a time when women did not really understand that they had a choice.
Over the weekend, the world started to spin. I had vertigo, most likely caused by an ear infection. What's more, there may be an abcess behind my ear. Result? Mom suddenly has to go to multiple doctor appointments and can't really go alone (can't drive when the world is spinning, now can you?).

Now, my husband being the brave and wonderful fellow that he is, did take the time off work to drive me to my appointments, and even picked up some of the slack at home in terms of taking care of Little Man, making sure dinner was taken care of, etc. But what stuck with me was that doing all these things for me was treated as a grave inconvenince, and he grouched the whole way through them. We're sitting in the doctor's waiting room and he's got this "woe is me I am so miserable" look on his face, and I'm thinking to myself, "DUDE! I'm the one with the ginormous infection, what the fuck is your problem?" Had the shoe been on the other foot (and it has) hubbie's needs or kid's needs would get taken care of quickly and with no complaint.

Mom is not supposed to get sick. Mom is not supposed to have a bad day. Mom is supposed to be there for everyone who needs her, without complaint. You know, it sucks to be Mom.

Someone finally noticed? Wow. That may be the only "news" in the Shriver Report.

Lest I sound too ungrateful, I will say this....hubbie figured out pretty quickly that his attitude wasn't helping me, and he managed to pull his head out of his ass after a few days. Proving that maybe, just maybe, there is hope for the future.
Thanks, Lisa. It's ironic that the advertisement above this comment box as I'm typing says, "Meet Single Men" and "Find Love". Ha! No thanks! That's what got me into this mess! I wanted to comment on "Hell, we can’t even pass a reasonable health care bill without screaming and yelling from the conservative status quo which is mostly made up of white males trying to exercise their last vestiges of domination". However, my three year old is throwing a tantrum and I have to make sure my husband's two companies are running smoothly so I won't get a tantrum from him. In the meantime, I'll get the laundry done and run a taxi service for my nine year old. I'm wondering if my life will ever be my own again! Oh never mind! It's taking me forever to type this because of the tantrum.
Lisa, I hope you send this to the "New York Times." I have been grouchy about the Shriver report all week, especially with the jokes I heard on "Morning Joe--" The men yuk yuking about how the little women run their lives. When is this issue going to be taken SERIOUSLY? Do women have to pull a "Lysistrata" and refuse to do all the work they're doing so people will notice that the work is being done?
Well said, especially my favorite part:
"American men in power are waging trillion dollar wars and we can’t even come up with the impetus or the money for wellness. Middle-aged women across the country are taking care of children and parents, all while working. Divorced women usually have substandard lifestyles and pregnancy out of wedlock is still frowned upon unless the woman is a celebrity. Domestic violence remains a huge social issue. As does pay inequity: we may be half the workforce but we still have to fight for equal pay for equal work as the recent Lily Ledbetter court case illustrates."

I see too many women of all ages pulling the lion's share of responsibility in the face of male spousal indifference to the myriad details of domestic stability and child rearing.
Julie: Me, too, really.... I remember when I realized what really was possible

Liz: yup, they act like they are doing you a favor because you are sick.

Gary: Thanks a bunch

Donna: I hear you. I was there. It does get easier as the

Voicegal: Would the NYT would print this:)
Women are exhausted by all the work they do. I'll play devil's advocate and say that we need to give ourselves and each other a break. If we're not complaining about being so busy, we don't think we're worthwhile. When's the last time you asked a girl friend how she's doing and she said, "I'm doing wonderful. I take time out for myself. I get a good night's sleep and I do things I enjoy." No way! We're constantly piling more and more stuff on our plate so we feel successful.

I agree that parents and spouses need to balance home work and outside work. The wife should not be doing all the work at home if she's also working outside the home.

There are more and more men that are stay at home dads and more men that do their share of household chores. I applaud these men.

I am sad if it's true that working women only have one child due to career choices. It's hard being an only child. It's lonely. I may have been often annoyed by my little brothers, but I can't imagine my childhood without them. They were everything to me, even though I didn't let them know that most of the time.
Thoughtful essay, Lisa. I've seen the path of the Women's Movement in my lifetime, and it seems to wander off to dead ends.
Alas, some things seem so hard to change, and lately we've seen that especially. We need to work in our own ways, in our own lives, and show our daughters and granddaughters the value of strength, education, communication, work, determination -- and ::sigh:: patience!
Not just yes, but AMEN! Lisa you said a mouthful.
"I certainly don’t want to take on the care of anyone else right now. But, of course, if I had to, I would." That says it all for me . . .
Would there all this hoopla if it were called the Solod-Warren Report instead of the Shriver report? I always have a problem when nepotism wins out over intellect.

While I have clueless moments, I have less of them now. Perhaps because I'm old and forget half of them, or I've learned and tried to be a better partner. You speak commonsense, I rather read what you write than what Maria has to say. Rated.
Yes a million times.
After a particularly draining day, I just had to come back here again to realize that I'm not alone in this. I now work three (yes, THREE) jobs, yet I am still the one responsible for the housecleaning, the cooking, the laundry, the grocery shopping, the outside yard work, the bill paying, the doctor appointments, the dental appointments, taking care of the kids, attending school functions, making sure everyone in the house has what they need, keeping track of all family events, buying all gifts for such family events, and taking care of the dog. Hubby has ONE job. He gets to enjoy his hobby or watch TV when he gets home from work. I have to give up sleep if I want any time for myself. I'm not bashing my husband. He's a good, caring man and I feel fortunate to have him. He's just been raised in a culture where men work and women do "everything else." No wonder all of us are fucking tired! Nope, women are not quite equal yet.
I wish the last woman I dated would have just told me no, it's over the weekend in Montauk was your severance lay instead of the 'I think it's going to fast' e-mail she sent.

Then again, I know what you think about the women I date.
Great post! I am of the ilk that believes much of "ignorance" of men is taught ignorance. My father would volunteer to cook breakfast and then spend forty minutes banging pots and pans and asking my mother what THIS was or what THAT was until he was sitting on the couch watching tv and my mother was cooking breakfast. I love him so much, but I was amazed when, after keeping the Kid for an afternoon by himself, he declared "This raising a child is HARD WORK!!" as a momental discovery. That is, he was surprised. So, that clears up who did the main child-rearing in the household ... My mother also worked much of her adult life (necessity not choice) at an outside job as well as manage the money, raise the children, keep the house clean, shop for food and cook the majority of the meals. My father worked one job, very hard, but just one. My mother had at least four or five jobs going at once.

I find that, as a single mother, I at least don't have to deal with the frustrations of my friends, whose partners in the majority treat them like they sit home eating bon-bons if they are a stay-at-home mom and expect them to do the majority work at home, even when both parents work. And usually in these households, the husband will declare with great pride, "I share the household chores!" This means he occasionally wipes off a kitchen counter or makes a bed, but not much more. I actually don't know, in my entire circle of friends, ONE man who does the laundry on a regular basis. And I know one couple where he claims enlightened male status on a regular basis, but guess who took care of their child when she was sick and he was well.

Yes. She did. He got angry after about an hour, declared he was tired! he worked all day! (she too has a job) and handed her the kid (while she was laying sick in bed) and went to another bedroom, slammed the door and watched television and went to bed.

This, sadly, in my experience is the norm. I don't paint this picture for every male, just the majority of the ones that I know. Perhaps I have a poor sampling.

We have a lot longer to go before things change, me thinks.
I think Sandra said it best. Yes.
I agree with so much that you say, but I do see progress with many of the men that are my age. They do more of the child care and housekeeping than their fathers, BUT there is still a huge gap. I will say, in their defense, that there are plenty of women who have unrealistic expectations of perfection. If the house isn't TOTALLY PERFECT, they think no one should visit. This causes so much stress. There are too many people with Martha Stewart pretensions but Roseanne (Barr) realities. I watched my mother come home wiped out from a job every bit as demanding as my father's to a house she couldn't keep clean and two kids she didn't have time for. His contribution at home was to sit on the couch ignoring us or to explode into huge rages that frightened us. As I said, guys today my age do more (somewhat because they HAVE to), but there is still such a gap. I fear to take on being a mom, as I have already had enough of taking care of people.
Delia. There is indeed individual progress but too much societal cluelessness and no government help or support.
in some ways my Mom in the 50's had it better
Lisa, This is outstanding good luck
I remember at 20, thinking I HAD to be all these stupid things. By the time I had kids, I felt tested (and a failure) at most of them.

So, I tossed the bar aside in my own life first. And, the biggest thing of all, I stopped measuring other women by it as well. We can be our own worst enemies, I swear.

It's been proven repeatedly in every country and economy in the world: give women access to healthcare and education, and we can tilt the axis so that everyone prospers. It is such bullshit that women are stripped to the bones by exhaustion and emotional duress, then pushed into our graves still wondering if we switched the load to the dryer.
Condeleezza Rice got us into the last wars, and the current Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, is keeping us there.

Last time I checked, these two were women.

How about less paleofeminist sexism and a little truthtelling? I know it's hard, trying to be an adult, what with the accountability and responsibility and all.

Equality's a bitch, ain't it.
Very nice. The list of inequities is long and impressive. Regarding marriage itself, I think part of the problem is that negotiations are initiated after the wedding, not before. Many religious institutions require a six-month period of preparation for marriage in which both parties are required to answer important questions (to reduce the number of post-wedding "surprises.") Young people in love often don't like to discuss issues like unexpected lay offs, family illnesses, and home chores because such discussions spoil the romantic mood. That's why it's helpful to have a third party guide the questioning. Much grief can be avoided when couples agree a priori on a "blueprint" for the marriage and on how conflicts will be resolved. Excellent post!
I found this on FB today, Lisa. Great rant. Really really great. Right now I am home with our baby and I am finishing my degree and am responsible for the household /cooking. My hubbs works 12 hour days and works 5 on and 5 off. The bickering over the chores is a weekly occurrence. It was never like this when I worked outside the home. You know, I used to support the family when he went to school but that is not often remembered. Anyway, too much information on my part. Your rant inspired me, as they usually do, smart lady!
Thank you ALL for your comments and stories. I am grateful and appreciative that I touched something important.
I rate this post for its subject matter, Lisa. I have read appreciatively a few of your prior posts, and only last night ordered your book, Desire, which has reposed in my Amazon Wish List for a while now. I am eagerly anticipating its arrival.

A man in mid-life, I deeply love women. Have done so all my conscious life. Attribute much of my slender wisdom in this dispensation to their graces. Women to men (and I suspect also to themselves) are profoundly mysterious and often confounding creatures, without whom life would not be worth the living. I have married three of them (sequentially), and there may be a fourth…. one can hope. Through my grandmothers (one expected to celebrate her 101st birthday within weeks, if with a loss of vigor, in full mental acuity, hallelujah!) mother, aunts, sisters, lately nieces – and possibly in some day to come a daughter – to instance here women with whom my bond is merely that of consanguinity – my world is the larger and my seasons yet unfolding the richer.

I lament the social constructs and biological contingencies which have repressed women across most cultures and over all eras at great cost to themselves and to men as well. I am angered by and grieve the continuing atrocities visited upon women, even in this twenty-first century which is more enlightened than any other preceding it – if arguably just perceptibly so. These grave wrongs galvanize me to bend all such personal force as I can wield towards righting them, and move me to honor women in every way I can.

Many subjects possess me on a daily basis, as ceaselessly as my breathing; among the most joyful of these subjects is that of women! Of women I seek to learn all I can each day in every way, a labor of delight, unending and endlessly rewarding. I count among my highest, finest, happiest experiences all those forays into intimacy, bodily, psychic and spiritual, which I have had with women.

Amplifying my experiences with women, I have read all I can about women and relationships with women, preferably as rendered on the page by women.

Boarding at high school maybe 35 years ago, over one short sojourn in our sanitarium I read Germaine Greer’s “Female Eunuch”. At around age 20 I was fortunate to share a brief romance with a woman of my own years but at least a decade ahead in her worldly apprehension; it was as exhilarating as it was turbid, and she introduced me to the fare of Erica Jong and Gail Sheehy, lightweight but invigorating in my youth… After she and I parted I was sufficiently awakened to seek out many of the classics of feminist literature, and then-groundbreaking exposés (if the term can be used without irony) such as Susan Brownmiller’s “Against Our Will” – sadly still as topical this week as it was in that generation gone when it came out.

On my bookshelf, ready to hand at this moment, I own (to name but a few) the Sontag/Leibovitz collaboration, “Women”, Cathi Hanauer’s “The Bitch in the House: 26 Women Tell the Truth About Sex, Work, Motherhood, and Marriage”, Inga Muscio’s “Cunt: A Declaration of Independence” and Natalie Angier’s “Woman: An Intimate Geography”… All on women, by women, they span genres. And yes, I have read them all, with avidity.

Also on my bookshelf is Daniel Jones’s “The Bastard on the Couch: 27 Men Try Really Hard to Explain Their Feelings About Love, Loss, Fatherhood and Freedom”… by no means accidentally; Jones is husband to Hanauer, who in the Preface aptly calls this book the “companion” to her own “Bitch in the House”. Tellingly Hanauer pronounces in this same place, “…those who said men ‘don’t think,’ ‘can’t articulate’ ‘are completely clueless’ may find themselves eating their words…”

The foregoing leads me to this: much as I admire President Obama, I must emphatically reject his wimpy, corporate embrace of guilt (So politic! – implicit and thereby plausibly deniable!) …All Men Are Obtuse? That receives from me an impassive stare of non-recognition. On women, I claim no oracular vision, but as hard and pleasurably as I toil to grasp you all, I refuse to be numbered among those of my gender who are “obtuse”. And, I daresay, that derelict subset of men (while it remains by no means negligible) proportionally shrinks day by day. Please, Lisa, tell me you won’t tar us all with that brush, even if the First Husband chooses to swipe at us as himself with glib alacrity.

With a host of my brethren, I – we – shrug off that ill-stitched mantle. We might enter as our plea, that glove don’t fit, so please acquit.
The Shriver Report is an ode to liberal feminism...and as such, will continue to be rejected by over 90% of the country. As long as this report and women continue to pretend that men have it so great because 1% of the white men in this country have most of the power, nothing new will happen. So no, nothing has changed. For example, women still do most of the housework...men still do most of the paid work....and on average the number of hours in total is the same.
Ok, stop your whining...you want equality now you are complaining
life is one royal pain..but it is better than the alternatives. I am 43, married...I have 2 kids...and in a senior management position. I change diapers, drop off at day care..let my wife sleep in...do laundry...She has not cleaned a toliet in years...my point is two fold...

1.) Choose your men better...be more open...I am quite conservative...and you would assume I am sexist...If you had met me you would dismiss me as a typical republican...but my wife is smater than that and took the time to get to know me (she works full time too)...

2.) I also share the laundry. empty the dishwasher..vacuum...point of this little diatribe..She would agree I do 70% of the housework....I think you are so biased you can't see the truth...I'd love to get your ex's input
Oh..I for got to mention the dripping condescending tone it is not really appealling..it detracts from your case..please get over how heroic you are. We all have life challenges at various times in our life...even us obtuse men that try to do it all too
Gee Matthew.... how much fun it was to read YOUR little diatribe. The point is that we are not equal and you are delusional if you think we are. I am not whining but pointing out the obvious....perhaps if you read without an agenda. The fact that your wife was "smart" enough to choose you is one way to look at it. I am glad you all have worked it out and she doesn't have to clean the toilet. What a relief that must be to her.
No agenda really...I just read it...and i did enjoy it....it is always good to read and think...but thanks for validating my second post so quickly....(Since I don't agree with you I must be biased/dim witted man)...my points, which you seem to have purposely chosen to misinterpret was that to say only women are exhausted, tired, trying to do it all while men just throw back the brews is itself gender bias...and that any relationship is a partnership..there are weeks where the I am steering the ship....and other weeks she is...just life as we go through it...but I did enjoy the read...and made me miss western maryland and rural va...see ya soon
This feels like the kind of rant I've been reading a lot of lately, except from a woman. There are lots of angry men out there ranting about how easy women have it and how manipulative they are. I've been reading Rich Zubaty's What Men Know That Women Don't, and it's quite the angry rant, but there are some good points embedded in all the sophomoric and sarcastic vitriol.

Questions to a woman frustrated by her man's lack of concern about various household chores:

1. Do you both share the same standards of cleanliness and order?
2. What would be the genuine harm in lowering your standards to the point that the man feels the need to do those chores himself?
3. Is there a chance that by keeping higher standards, you earn the moral high ground that gives you more power in the relationship?

I've observed that the most criticism a woman receives about a messy house, shabby clothed and unkept children, and general "poor standards" comes from other women, not men. ( oh sure, the media and society pitch in, but do the men in those groups really care? ) Isn't it true that women criticize other women more harshly in general? My ex sure thinks so.

I've been a hardcore feminist all of my life, but lately have been thinking the "battle of the sexes" may not be so clear cut as simple patriarchal repression of the physically weaker gender. I've experienced significant emotional manipulation at the hands of women in my life ( yet I still love them, ) and I think it's quite possible that patriarchy may have been an understandable, if not excusable, reaction to the historically preceding matriarchy which may have been no less oppressive.

I would take issue with quite a number of your statements in detail, but I think it's better to just say, why not try to do what I'm trying to do; find a way to look at the differences that doesn't cast either gender as a villain, clueless or obtuse. It's probably the case that we have different perspectives and standards.

Of course it's frustrating. Believe me, there are plenty of frustrated men and husbands too.
@grubert:

Stop with the excuses, and the patriarchal lies.
Male violence, aggression and control are all on the way out.
Female victims of male power need to stand up for themselves and fight back.

It's over grubert. It's over. Time for the Wise Women of American society to take power.
there is always emigration, if you can find a better place. i've heard new zealand is good...
When we got married, my husband told me that if things got too bad for his standards of cleanliness, he'd do it "his damned self". I've been disabled for 5 years. The children avoid housework like the plague and complain and whine so much it's easier just not to do it. My husband of 15 years rants, complains and makes vicious asides about how messy the place is, but never picks one thing up or carries a basket of dirty laundry down the stairs. It's not "his job" to do housework. Someone else better do it. That someone else being me or our daughters.

I guess he's forgotten about doing it his damned self.
PJAY, you've got some real issues.
I was going to list the litany of stuff I take care of around the house that no one else (men) seems to notice, but instead, let's just be glad that no one depends on men to change the roll of toilet paper.
My answer is always that I fit my work in. I wanted children and they have always been my first priority. But I have never ever heard a man say that he “fits his work” or “fits his art” in around raising kids. In fact, many famous women artists either never married or never had children, which is not surprising, while Dickens, for example, had both a wife and nine kids. And wrote and wrote and wrote anyway.>>>>>>>>>

Of course he did. He never had to scrub the toilet or do laundry or make dinner.

And to those who have told me how critical it is for me to "take care of myself" a hearty fuck you. You try being a single parent to a Type I diabetic ADHD ODD kid and get back to me on that.
Time to hand off the Talking Stick, grubert. Warrior Women of the New Age are in power.
"And I don’t think that men in general are evil:, they just remain clueless, or as Obama says, obtuse, despite women’s every effort to wake them up. I don’t think most of us women want to give up on men or love but we do get damned tired of having the same old discussions over and over and over."

So does Henry Higgins, so does Henry Higgins....


HIGGINS
What in all of heaven could've promted her to go,
After such a triumph as the ball?
What could've depressed her;
What could've possessed her?
I cannot understand the wretch at all.

Women are irrational, that's all there is to that!
There heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags!
They're nothing but exasperating, irritating,
vacillating, calculating, agitating,
Maddening and infuriating hags!
[To Pickering]
Pickering, why can't a woman be more like a man?
PICKERING
Hmm?
HIGGINS
Yes...
Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
Eternally noble, historic'ly fair;
Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat.
Well, why can't a woman be like that?
Why does ev'ryone do what the others do?
Can't a woman learn to use her head?
Why do they do ev'rything their mothers do?
Why don't they grow up- well, like their father instead?
Why can't a woman take after a man?
Men are so pleasant, so easy to please;
Whenever you are with them, you're always at ease.
Would you be slighted if I didn't speak for hours?
PICKERING
Of course not!
HIGGINS
Would you be livid if I had a drink or two?
PICKERING
Nonsense.
HIGGINS
Would you be wounded if I never sent you flowers?
PICKERING
Never.
HIGGINS
Well, why can't a woman be like you?
One man in a million may shout a bit.
Now and then there's one with slight defects;
One, perhaps, whose truthfulness you doubt a bit.
But by and large we are a marvelous sex!
Why can't a woman take after like a man?
Cause men are so friendly, good natured and kind.
A better companion you never will find.
If I were hours late for dinner, would you bellow?
PICKERING
Of course not!
HIGGINS
If I forgot your silly birthday, would you fuss?
PICKERING
Nonsense.
HIGGINS
Would you complain if I took out another fellow?
PICKERING
Never.
HIGGINS
Well, why can't a woman be like us?
[To Mrs. Pearce]
Mrs. Pearce, you're a woman...
Why can't a woman be more like a man?
Men are so decent, such regular chaps.
Ready to help you through any mishaps.
Ready to buck you up whenever you are glum.
Why can't a woman be a chum?
Why is thinking something women never do?
Why is logic never even tried?
Straight'ning up their hair is all they ever do.
Why don't they straighten up the mess that's inside?
Why can't a woman behave like a man?
If I was a woman who'd been to a ball,
Been hailed as a princess by one and by all;
Would I start weeping like a bathtub overflowing?
And carry on as if my home were in a tree?
Would I run off and never tell me where I'm going?
Why can't a woman be like me?
PJAY:"Time to hand off the Talking Stick, grubert. Warrior Women of the New Age are in power."

Then show me one so I can fall in love with a real woman.

The only women I've ever really loved were warriors. If you didn't like my points, then refute em, or admit to weakness.

Complaining isn't the mark of a warrior.
Gee---- lucky are the men who didn't marry you! Why would anyone want to marry a woman who feels like an unappreciated victim. I think the guy who missed out on the date while you watched the MTM show was the lucky one there. Probably would have gotten accused of either treating you like an object or date rape after attempting a good night kess, not paying enough for dinner, or instead paying too much and patronizing you and not treating you like an equal... etc etc.... yeesh... I prefer the feminists on Lemondrop to this mewling. At least they seem to enjoy their lives!
To Davidsam: As a matter of fact I have had more than my share of both men and marriage proposals and neither man I married wished to divorce me. But that is not the issue here: What IS at issue is your personal attacks on me. Neither constructive nor interesting. If you disagree with the premise of the piece, by all means say something. But your comment is nothing more than the attack of a Neanderthal, a man I would never have even considered going out with.
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