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I muck about with filmmaking, writing and general artistic impulses as often as possible. I chose my photo because it reminds me of a quote from 'Labyrinth': "It's so stimulating being your hat!"

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APRIL 7, 2010 11:32PM

Playing dumb for the boys (really? still?)

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Ever since returning to college last summer, I have found myself in the rather lonely and thankless position of being The Girl Who Talks In Class.  I chose this, and I'm not sorry, even if no one else ever wants to initiate a class discussion or dare to ask a question, or anything.  I don't mind being that person, as I've been that way all my life. It's part of who I am.  I don't even mind of other people in the class resent me for this. That's their problem.

  I wish other people would contribute to the conversation more often. Sometimes they do, but very rarely and it tends to be the same people.  

Not wishing to speak up in class is understandable.  I'm sure many people are just shy or afraid of saying something out loud that is incorrect or that people disagree with. 

What I don't completely understand is why, when we break up into little groups to do our lab work in my one science class, I am the only girl -always!- who contributes to what we are doing.

Without fail, in every lab group I find myself in,  the other girls will either state that they don't understand the assignment or imply that they don't by asking one of the guys (or me, since I do now have a reputation) a question like, "So, we measure from here to here? On the skull?".

I refuse to believe that I am the only double-x chromosome in that class who understands the assignment without needing to confirm with some dude before proceeding.  I'm smart, but come on! The assignments are really straightforward! Especially considering this is a college class!

So what is it? Is it just a female habit of pretending to defer to male intelligence so as not to seem too masculine or threatening?

And if so, is this really necessary? Are men really so easily threatened?

I'm sure there's much more to this issue.

I've lately become more conscious of what's unspoken but expected in male/female roles in relationships.  And I don't just mean romantic relationships in general, I mean what's really meant by being the man in a relationship versus being the woman in terms of actual roles, not just biological gender.

For instance, although I'm sure I seem horribly outspoken and domineering to my mild-mannered, uncertain lab partners, I consider myself to be a very old fashioned and feminine woman in most ways.  I prefer to date men who I think are a bit smarter than I am, and who are a bit better established in their lives than I am (which isn't saying a lot now that I'm a student again).

That said, maybe other women who also prefer men who are smarter than they are, have succumbed to the notion that all men are smarter than women, or must be smarter than them at least.  Maybe even if they do understand the assignment, these girls are assuming that the boys got something from it that they didn't. 

Maybe it's the way we're sort of socialized to act.  The boys have no problem speaking their minds in this class, even when they turn out to be wrong. Mostly.

Admittedly, it doesn't tend to go over too well if I correct them. I have noticed they get bit spiky about that. So perhaps that's a part of it.

Even our professor has commented on this. He'll come around to our groups and say, "Ladies, don't let the guys do all the work!"

This is school, we're here to learn, and to do that we should all be participating. I hope for their own sakes none of these gals is planning to major in science of any sort.  What kind of scientists will they be if they just defer to everything their male colleagues say?

 

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I adore your first paragraph. OK, now off to read the rest.
Wow, so do you think that's really it? Pretending to be less smart than they are just to defer to the men? To be honest, I simply could never relate to that, at any age. I always wonder where I got my sense of entitlement. I was raised with 7 siblings, four sisters, three brothers. I was in the middle. In a lot of ways we were very traditional and it was a patriarchy type family. But truly, I never, ever held my tongue. I can't relate to that. Even today it shocks me occasionally when I am telling a story that might, say, involve my going into a "bad" neighborhood and someone says, "My husband wouldn't let me." I am genuinely shocked by that. But people are different, and I'm way past judging. I think I alienate a hell of a lot more people too, so there's that.

Anyway, thanks for an interesting post. :)
I love this. When I went back to school the position was vacant and I filled it myself. In Sociology we broke into groups for a lab that consisted of everyone disclosing their opinion of everyone else. I chuckled to myself as each of the students in my group struggled to avoid the words aggressive and assertive when decribing me. Pretty good for a former shy girl. They were so afraid I was going to get angry. I loved it, and I love being the girl-who talks.
Lainey, thanks!
I've heard that line, "My husband wouldn't let me," I don't know for sure, but I think that one might be a different story. When I lived with a boyfriend on the edge of an odd neighborhood, I used to tell people he wouldn't "let" me walk to the corner store alone after dark. Of course, he couldn't really have prevented me if I'd wanted to. He was just being chivalrous. I think most women who talk about their husbands/boyfriends that way are just saying how chivalrous they are.

And I'm glad you've always spoken up for yourself. Who knows where we get these habits from...I've always been shy just about everywhere all the time, but not in the classroom.

Zul, that is funny! I sometimes get the impression that people assume I'm aggressive too. Usually either at school or in a professional environment. Go figure.
Great post. Nothing sexier then a smart woman who speaks her mind!
Rated.
Man, you really got the cat in the bag.

I am the exact same way. I am very vocal in class, so much that I have little rules I keep... Like, I don't let myself sit any closer than the third row because it's TOO INTENSE! The learning! My god.

People don't speak up because... I don't know. But I know that the world is run by those who show up and talk.
Thanks, Scylla! :)

KindOfOrdinary, oh, a kindred spirit! I never let myself sit closer than the second row. Partly because of the intensity of the knowledge coming at me, and partly because I'm fairly sure I'm listening to the professor with an equally intense expression of attentiveness, and I don't want to alarm him/her.
If these ladies aren't talking now, good luck to them later on! I am a female scientist working in a largely male group of scientists and it is WORK just to get a word in edgewise. You learn to be loud and pushy just to be heard. Keep up the good work Spoon!!!
Going back to school in my thirties, I saw the same thing. At first i was ackward and felt my age was a barrior, then I felt like I had such an unfair advantage over them. I had so many female lab partners come in without their work done and try to take mine. Uh No. I am paying daycare for this. Finally I would pick the nerdiest guy and ask if he would be my lab partner. Worked out great.