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SEPTEMBER 26, 2008 10:57PM

Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach: Deluxe Debate Party Edition

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Well, here we are again, folks, ready to test my mad live-blogging punditry skillz against the tomfoolery of politicians, to see if my stomach can stand it and keep down fabulous food goodies.  Tonight’s episode is extra special because I am not alone.  Tonight I come to you LIVE from my basement, where I have assembled a sampling of Virginia democrats to watch the debate with me.  Some of them have even agreed to be “blogged” tonight, which means you’ll be meeting them, and hearing what they have to say about the race here in Virginia.

A word about the menu tonight…because it is the deluxe party edition, most of the food is in the line of party munchies.  I have prepared a couple of dishes, and some have been brought by my guests.  My offerings include dates stuffed with goat cheese and almonds, and wrapped in bacon, and grape-bleu cheese “truffles.”   

Among the party guests tonight are Joanna DeLaune, a local Fairfax County precinct captain and several others whose names you'll hear over the course of the evening.

So without futher ado, let's begin.....

8:21 p.m. -- Folks are starting to arrive for the party.  I'm settling in on the sectional with people.  We are, of course, turned to Kieth Olberman and MSNBC, because liberal bias is going to be a necessary evil tonight.

8:23 p.m.-- Margie and Robert are concerned with how old Kieth's hands look.

8:26 p.m. -- Margie and I discuss how really, really dumb it was for McCain to diss Letterman.

8:30 p.m. -- Kieth admits that he's got a big head.

8:33 p.m. -- We're discussing the fact that Palin still has some appeal.  Margie's neighbor apparently likes Palin because "she reminds me of me."  We are flabbergasted.

8:37 p.m. -- Kieth's re-airing snippets of the Palin-Couric interview.  It doesn't get better with repeated viewings.

8:43 p.m. -- Robert and I are talking about what would really "blow it" for each of the candidates.  Obviously if McCain looks too old or too crazy he's dead.  But what about Obama?  Is there really anything you can think of that would tank it all for Obama?  We're having trouble with that.

 8:45 p.m. -- Margie figures if he gets too rambly in his answers.

8:48 p.m. -- This hot and cool thing is starting to irritate me.

8:51 p.m. -- Joanna is giving a little talk to the folks assembled about how we're going to win this election for Obama.  It involves canvassing and phone banks, of course. 

8:58 p.m. -- Peg, who's been doing a lot of canvassing, is reporting that on her canvasses, she's seeing alot of women who are NOT voting McCain because they are angry about the Palin pick.  Also, apparently the phone banks are getting so crowded with volunteers they are running out of equipment.

9:01 p.m. -- in a room of about 20 people, 7 responded that this is their first time volunteering for a Presidential campaign.

9:03 p.m. -- I am LOVING that Jim didn't share the questions or have anyone review them.  And that there will be no cheering.

9:04 p.m. -- Obama enters the  fray. 

9:05 p.m. -- our gang here LOVES the tying of McCain to Bush's failed policies.

9:06 p.m. -- McCain's not feeling too great.....about his poll numbers.

9:07 p.m. -- I thought the GOP was walking away from the negotiations....I think he's rewriting history here.

9:10 p.m. -- Obama makes a great point here about how deregulation brought this on.

9:11 p.m. -- McCain is going to try to defend his boneheaded call to fire the SEC chair?

9:12 p.m. -- Lerher wants them to engage.  I agree. Go get him Obama!

9:13 p.m. -- I think the first one that engage is going to win this thing.

9:15 p.m. -- Earmarking as a gateway drug prompts Joanna to say that earmarking doesn't sound nearly as much fun as other gateway drugs.

9:17 p.m. -- Obama goes after the tax cuts.  I think it's a good move on his part.  McCain is trying to do the "pork barrel" thing, and I don't think it's that persuasive.

9:19 p.m. -- I like going after John's figures.  I like that he's started to engage.  I think he's got it.

9:21 p.m. -- IRELAND?  You're seriously talking about Ireland?  And what the hell is this hard on for cutting spending? 

9:23 p.m. -- I think McCain is getting pissed..the exhale...the nervous smile.  And FESTOONED?

9:26 p.m. -- Obama is being smart on this next lead question.  He's leaving the gate open....but setting the priorities.

9:29 p.m. -- Opposing ethanol subsidies is one reason you're not winning Iowa, Johnnie.

9:32 p.m. -- spending freeze? Let me tell you about Iraq, John.....

9:36 p.m. -- McCain is working the healthcare thing hard...and the cut spending thing.  Traditional GOP lines.  And Obama needs to call his ass on the Veterans' thing.  Seriously.

9:38 p.m. -- Wave of nausea hits as McCain proclaims himself a "Maverick" 

9:39 p.m. -- McCain now takes credit for "winning" Iraq.  I may lose it here people.

9:40 p.m. -- Margie is really unsure whether McCain can really say this shit and believe it.

9:44 p.m. -- McCain is going to lose it here at some point, I can feel it.

9:46 p.m. -- Oh yeah, Iraq is SO going to be our ally after we leave....and Obama is looking very authoritative.

9:49 p.m. -- McCain is getting rolled....

9:51 p.m. -- Lawyer's tactic ... take his lingo and ram it back down his throat.  Note the emphasis on "strategic"

9:54 p.m. -- "you don't say that out loud" spawns laughter in the crowd here at chez liz.

9:56 p.m. -- Joanna thinks McCain looks like he has to go to the bathroom.  Any bets on whether he's wearing depends?

9:58 p.m. -- Groans here as McCain invokes Ronald Reagan.

9:59 p.m. -- how much money says he breaks out the bracelet?

10:00 p.m. -- Tell me about the war grandpappy.....

10:02 p.m. -- someone here thinks McCAin and his stripey tie make him look like the ice cream man.

10:04 p.m. -- Didn't the whole sanctions thing get tried once before with Iran?

10:07 p.m. -- Obama needs to get himself a little more in the game.  He's doing the wonky thing again.

10:08 p.m. -- You know McCain's been waiting to deliver this line about Iran all night.  But John, seriously, learn how to say "perestroika."

10:10 p.m. -- The Henry Kissinger thing is priceless here.

10:12 p.m. -- SPAIN!  That was a pretty good shot.

10:14 p.m. -- North Korea is BAD.....cuz they're SHORT.

10:16 p.m. -- Robert thinks Obama is being too polite to McCain.

10:18 p.m. -- Oh, now we're going to hear about how John McCain saved Georgia.

10:19 p.m. -- wait, you call Russians a "KGB Appartchik government" and you think you're not going to start a new cold war?  Are you on CRACK?

10:24 p.m. -- Here's come the smirk!

10:26 p.m. -- the 9-11 Commission....let's see what happens here....

10:28 p.m. -- Wait, we should congratualte McCain for doing the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission, one of which was the creation of DHS, which he complained about earlier as expansion of bureaucracy....

10:30 p.m. -- we have less respect in the world...this gets nods and approval from the crowd here.

10:31 p.m. -- SDI brought the end of the Cold War?  You are ON CRACK!

10:33 p.m. -- Obama is getting himself together here.  This last bit has been fantastic.

10:35 p.m. -- McCain and his farkin' surge.

10:36 p.m. -- Here we go, the POW thing......

Our group here is thinking that the debate was a mixed bag -- Obama got some hits in, but McCain did too.  Peg says that McCainis better with the anecdotal parts, but Obama was better at the analysis.

10:44 p.m. -- we switch to CNN to check what the analysts are saying.  Although quite frankly, Bill Bennet is going to make me hurl if I'm not careful.

10:45 p.m. -- Margie is disappointed there wasn't more interaction between the candidates. 

10:50 p.m. -- castellanos says a tie for McCain keeps him in the game.  I think he may be right about that.  He also says that Obama looks Presidential.

10:53 p.m. -- Interesting to see Toobin talk about the focus groups.

10:53 p.m. -- most of the party cleared out by now.  Gergen on CNN is saying that McCain needed a clear win.  Gergen I find leans right, but honestly, he's often spot on.  If he's saying McCain is still behind, I kinda believe him.

10:57 p.m. -- Hubby is getting paranoid about cleanup.  I guess that means I gotta go.  Thanks for stopping by!

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Hey Liz and friends,
...joining you from very-blue Maryland, I invited some of my Facebook friends as well...
hope Kerry gets you up on the front-page soon!
I'm here. I'm combing up my hair really high.
Getting my laptop up and running in from of the TV -- will watch with hubby and provide his comments, too.
First a wee correction because I am a no-good anal retentive speller. Keith, not Kieth.

Chicken a la King here, I think we're re-enacting the Nixon-Kennedy debate. I hope McCain looks as pasty as Nixon did but since McCain's makeup artiste follows his every move, it's not likely.

I'm glad to see Rachel Maddow there. I swear she could turn my channel since she's so smart. Keith's hands do look old but so do mine (but I have an excuse-farmer).

I also love how the female conservative columnist asked for Palin's ouster.

I want to see fire from Obama tonight.

Is it wrong that I want to see McCain's left eye droop even more? Yes, I know it is. That was my voodoo priestess talking.

I don't know if I was this nervous on my wedding day!
Freaky, I have your Chippendale man beside me. He's upset over your shenanigans with Spidey.
Don't pay attention to alpaca commercials. The market has dropped out (I represent the agricultural vote). My shepherd friends can't sell their sheep even.
just for fun, I turned to Fox for a few moments...Wolfson is on O'Reilly...blah blah blah
what I have noticed is that Bill O., Dave Letterman, and Bill Clinton have incredibly large hands
or maybe it's the TV Cameras...
ok...back to MSNBC, Dick Morris is coming up and I just can't tolerate that much
I just finished off a dinner of dill-lemon sweet potato and carrot soup with some whole wheat sourdough bread topped with chevre. Simple, but hearty. Easy to keep down too!

I'm going to take the dog for a quick walk but hope to be back by the beginning of the hour to experience this debate with y'all!
8:37 pm - Nooooeewww...
it doesn't
PT, I've seen Chippentroll before. I think I have his calendar. Those pictures are all LIES. Trickery.
That witchy Bratz doll wants to watch with me. Guess who she's rootin' for?
Welcome all! We've got about 14 people here so far....
I love how Palin is going to be able to cancel the debate because the Bering Strait is going to get closer to Russia.
checking in...had my tacos with chunks of avocados stuck in too with a chipotle hot sauce. warmed corn tortillas thin and doubled up, not fried or hard, spread with a thin layer of refried beans before adding other ingredients and condiments...I'm full and ready to fart in McCain's general direction
Don't count the Bratz doll. I just pulled her head off.
freaky...I'm so glad, I was going to suggest you gouge her eyes out, but I thought someone might come along and call me sexist
I am watching from CNN. Campbell, J. King, Toobin, Kristian A, David Gerben, Gloria Borger, Wolfe. U
Oh no, Michelle O, not a great print fabrication...
I agree, we're not eating hot and sour soup here.
A Monty Python reference Lisa...you know..."your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries..."
Barry's a Monty Python fan, doncha know.

I heart Jim Lehrer. He better moderate a tough debate.
chris matthews is making my head hurt...
"quintiles" and "cosmos" WTW? (my kids' substitution for WTF? that they are not allowed to use, even as an acronymn)
Because my man Jim is moderating, I'm watching on PBS. (Plus I don't have cable.)

If Obama can reassure voters he's cool, collected, safe, and able to be commander in chief, he wins it. Short of that, it won't be much different after this debate sans an unlikely gaffe.
"Now go away! Or I shall taunt you a second time-a!"
I thought it was the debate, but we were watching Animal Planet's Next Pet Star.
Stupid dog that would chew my hair off won.
Oh Jim Lehrer has dreamy troll eyes!
An OS chat room would be awesome for these nights ( or any nights!)
lps: I made a nice ligature you can use here
I'm about to pee my pants.
ooohh...CNN has a little graph-thingy at the bottom of the screen apparently guaging (sp?) audience reaction...
so how is that supposed to work, since Lehrer says the audience has been coached to remain silent?!?
$700 billion is "potentially a lot of money"

Potentially?
barry, I *heart* you!!
Senator Kennedy is out of the hospital, you panderer.
OMG Kennedy...end of the beginning???
quit telling me what you did last year and answer the question
ok, I'm confused already...I thought the House Republicans WALKED OUT of the negotiations?!?
lpsrocks, now I can't look away from the line thingie.
Can McCain stay on subject? let's bring up the military to show that yeah, he was a war hero.
WTF?!? they weren't part of the negotiations but the House Republicans decided they would be part of the solution
I am totally confused!?!
First Lie!

McCain said he called for SEC chairman's resignation. He actually said he'd FIRE him if president, something the president doesn't have the power to do as it is an independent agency.
9:10 pm...McCain is thinking...maybe just this once, spare us the lectures
Hey, gang! It is more "fun" to watch with like-minded folks.

Thanks, again, Liz, for hosting us!
Blah, Blah, Blah...EVILS!! Pork barrel spending. Stump speech...blah...
My understanding is that the House Republicans were part of the negotiations, but didn't share their idea until Thursday, after a lot of negotiating had already gone on.
3 million to study bears is the best example of gov't waste he can come up with?

I guess they figure they can't do the Alaska bridge anymore!
I think Tom Delay would have been corrupt even without earmarks.
Tax cut for 95% working families, not for corporations and the ultra-rich. Obama's spending is on energy.
Marco checking in.

Oh oh.McCain is claiming "sheriff."

Lehrer would make a good couples therapist.
McCain - $3 Million to study DNA of bears in Montana
isn't that awfully close to what Palin got in Alaska?

(p.s., I'm a minute or two behind; I had to rewind to make sure we heard a couple of things correctly)
Obama engages first. Hooray. McCain is scared to look at him, he might blow his top.
did anyone here vote for McCain when he ran as independent?
So... Ireland is stealing our companies and our jobs?
Yeah earmarks for the sex habits of crabs.
$5000 a year does not buy healthcare for a family. It doesn't even buy it for an individual.
is there a stampede of businesses relocating to Ireland?
jennifer - my husband may have. he is not allowed out in public :-)
McCain is going to blow.
Ireland has a shit load of our pharmaceutical and computer manufacturing these days
Grandpa is smirking..
John is doing the emotional appeal thing.

Obama finally addressed McCain directly!

Inappropriate laughter from McCain. He IS the Joker.
watching with the Smiths -
dd - Festooned? good word, what does it mean, ds?
ds - Festooned? It means McCain is trying to look smart.
CNN Independents loving the alternative energy talk/Pundits liking this as well
I'm watching on CNN, with Lisa. WTF good is the audience reaction line or the analyst scorecards? We have no idea what the analysts are thinking--Castellanos, for example, downgraded McCain by one point as soon as he shook hands with Obama! As for the audience, it looks as if they're just kind of tracking 50%, sometimes above, rarely below.
If McCain wins, I'M going to Ireland!!!
I wonder how many viewers have noticed McCain's couple of smirks and whether that will have an impact.
Gramps -- cut spending...who wants to hear about reworking government defense contract spending...the warmonger
Please, Obama, ask him which departments he wants to end. If he says "Education," the election should be over.
dh on Boeing contract - they recompeted it and it costs 10x as much
And that Boeing thing was overblown on that charge and now the huge contract has gone to Europe and employing thousands and thousands of Eurpeans because of McCain.
Oh me too Lauren - pharmaceutical manufacturing is my thing and Ireland is my ancetral home :-)
Spending freeze????? Some programs need to be enhanced - correct. Don't need to spend money on Iraq...
My wife Girl wwith Pen says he's gotta stop with the smirking.
Mine, too, Kelly. And Lisa, you are spot on, the warmonger cutting defense contracts.
Ooooo, I love the opposing Bush's wrong-headed policies remark!!!
700,000 jobs through nuclear power?? Gawd is that frightening. and talking about how Obama doesn't want to store spent uranium - like that's a BAD thing???? Oooh, who needs horror movies to get scared.
Geez, I remember when Nixon tried the wage and spending freeze, didn't go too well as I recall.
lpsrocks! you rock! ;-) who did you vote for????

obama is dead on for health care which is really important to me....maybe #1 issue. - i think mccain's plan is ridiculous.

but obama's plan for energy is a total joke. ten years for independence is not going to happen---at least he's talking about it but it's also pandering. won't happen until people can make money off solar,wind, etc and all american energy/ natural gas, etc.

it takes three years to get the govt. to agree on a contractor for a screwdriver.
I like the values comments -- need to know who needs to benefit.

McCain wants to take care of vets, but what else. Old ideas on trickle down -- no tax cuts...get with the current picture. Wasteful spending...stump, stump
I'm sorry, isn't a lot of this SPENDING related to the billions per month to Iraq?
orgy of spending!!

oooohhh, freaky, are you paying attention?!? the Independents really liked that.
Watch McCain when he talks - he's blinking nonstop
Repeatitis much McCain?

War mishandled -- spend more on the war -- surge surge!!
What are we winning in Iraq with 90% civilian casualties?
Barf on Petreas...
But did we find the WMD in Iraq????? I think NOT
we needed to set up a shot game on keywords...I would have been drunk by now though
Rob , I'm all WTF with you. the CNN scoring nonsense is distracting . What is this, the presidential olympics?

And the EKG line - what , is the audience wired?
please, don't act like the iraq war was a good idea in the first place! Now McCain is pandering. but what were we supposed to do after bush & co. messed up the entire world? total insult to thinking people.
Here late to the party, kids.
Debate Drinking Game is in full swing.
Wish Obama could say WASTING $10 billion in Iraq each month.

McCain -- do we keep war going forever -- SURGE WORKED - YEAH!!!
Good Obama -- go at him about the war.
Whoa! Good performance by Obama on the Iraq War! McCain thinks the war was started in 2007.
"they inform on the bad guys" what a great strategy
Aligned with us -- Iraqies???

Obama go -- Afghanistan talk. 16 months - go Obama.
::goes for the vodka::


Now, where's that thimble.......
do people really care about the surge?
Omigod Stellaa, let go that albatross around your neck. Hillary was as big a warmonger as McCain.

We need to stand united or we're fucked.
When do we throw the toast again? Oh, there's Mr. Smirkey again.
i would feel MUCH more comfortable if sarah palin were in charge of this whole foreign policy issue thing
You'd better be prepared to field dress them, too.
From Washington Post's live factchecker:
During the debate, McCain once again took credit for his crusade to block a new contract for Boeing for a new fleet of midair refueling tankers. He said he saved taxpayers more than $6 billion while launching a Senate probe that found cozy relations between Pentagon officials and Boeing executives.
But the GAO found significant problems in the rebidding of the new contract, which had awarded the contract to a partnership between Northrup Grumman and the European firm EADS.
"This shows how a sort of naive crusade for good government can actually backfire," Loren Thompson, of the Lexington Institute, a defense think tank, told Newsweek.
--Michael Abramowitz
jennifer - that is too funny

McCain: "you don't do that, you don't say it out loud..."
the great Bush legacy
I wish both Hillary & Bill.

We have what we have tho, and Obama needs to nail it a bit more often. Poppies!!!

I think McCain is ONLY good for talking about war, war and more war
Afghanistan requires a different strategy than Iraq, dope. It's a world's diffference.
("Dope" is McC, FYI :) )
I stepped out to check my numbers. I'm through the roof. I MISSED THE ORGY.
It is soooo disturbing when McCain does that jaw pulsing angry face.
re: afghanistan....i wish we had poppies here in the good ole USA
can't find those numbers Freaky, give us a link
gateway drugs, poppies, orgies, vodka, and dope...

you freaking heathen liberals!! smite you!
Obliterate N Korea - Go Barack! Looking good. Coddled Mushariff -- OK - coddled, loved and lavished with gifts.

Oh-oh Bomb Iran...He has a record...He has a record in national security decisions...Talking tough now...Oh going for the pandering about the bracelet.
Oh, with the bracelets.
Oy.
the dueling bracelets is kind of sick
I think McCain is standing in the poppies -- he is putting me to sleep...
incredibly, Obama sounds sincere and McCain sounds like he is reading a very old script
Brilliant reference to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Did you see the look on McNasty's face?
Oh mista tali-ban tali-me bananas....
Poppies, muddling through Afghanistan...Oooh let's get pissy now McCain. Liz is right, he is on the edge. And Blinking like crazy. Cindy needs to get him some eye drops.
John's trying to make the point that being on the ground in Afghanistan makes a difference on making policy...We've seen John making a fucking fool of himself on the ground in Iraq when he can't make a coherent intelligent statement about what is happening there let alone being able to understand the difference between Sunnis and Shias...and attributing publicly to AlQueida with Iran things they could not have been doing together.
why wouldn't McCain's $5000 makeup person do something about his eyebrows - the salt n pepper thing isn't working for me...

"Iranian's have a lousy government" - scary words, where have I heard them before?!? IEDs, Republican Guard, sound like WMD?
The ever-powerful League of Democracies!
McCain, is hell-bent on Iranian Uranium.
I doubt that McCain got a much better handle on the situation in Afghanistan from visiting for a couple of days at a pop under the auspices of the military than Obama does. It is big, rough country, with centuries of culture in near-isolation.
"We'll do it with our friends and allies."
Wasn't that called, uh... a "coalition of the willing"?
McCain is damned mad now. the muddle through comments blew steam out of his hearing aids.
"I will wear his bracelet, with honor."

Okay, now I see the value of that red line showing Republican response--they are total suckers.
Johnny Mac, we created the Axis of Evil! Point to Obama.
Alex Castellanos has Obama ahead -- the floors of hell might be freezing over.

Oooh sit down with the bad guys..AK..AHK..Yuk...OK It is hard to say...
Yes - how do you solve anything with NOT talking. Dialogue is always legitimate
Y'all can click in later, but here are my numbers (like bbd asked):
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=22826

Why can't McPain talk? His dentures must be loose.
10:07 pm - oh, Liz, here I was swooning..."he's just so smart"

I guess I'm not the average voter
stellaa FWIW I agree with both of your points so far
Liz -- an ice cream man-- funny!!

Go, Obama, keep America safe! Kissinger wants to meet with Iran without preconditions...Go Barack
"we don't do what we've been doing..."

just keep saying that, Barack! you go!!
Perhaps this is partisan colored - but I do believe that Obama is quite the cool cat and excellent at landing AND thinking on his feet.
Sorry if this has been mentioned above, but this is like the third or fourth time that McCain has claimed the (moral? intellectual? judgmental?) high ground by saying that he's visited some place. I've visited the Vatican, John--that doesn't make me capable of leading the Catholic Church.
McCain is about two more zingers away from turning into Yosemite Sam.
::Bang bang!::
I'm the rootinest tootinest...
oh, he is so going for the old Jewish lady vote in Florida
OK, Obama now saying Bush is stealing his ideas (so to speak). Yes, true. N Korea -- axis of evil. Quadrupled nukes and made things worse. When re-engaged, might have seen some progress.
Funny -- Said McCain wouldn't even meet with Spain.

He didn't say without preconditions -- listen. OOOH dangerous.
wasn't Madeline Albright Clinton's Secretary of State???????
Damn, if the shot word had been "Petraeus" we'd all be shit-faced by now.
Lehrer is trying to prevent McCain from having a stroke
At least Obama is not letting him get away with mis mischaracterizations. But Obama lost his cool just a little, and repeated himself...
OO! Rob is going to be my Pope! He already has saint in his name!
Rob is The Saint
I am supoosed to be afraid of Russia now? (again???)
Obama needs to pick it up a notch. And I love how Reagan has achieved sainthood.
Russia is now actually run by Boris & Natasha.
THAT'S Sarah Palin's foreign policy strength! She knows Bullwinkle!
John keeps saying, "he doesn't understand." again, he thinks if he repeats it enough, it'll make it true...

but, IMHO, it doesn't seem to be gaining any traction as Obama seems to fully understand the issues
oohhh....freaky, somebody brought CRACK now!!
CNN Pundits have Obama ahead except McCain is getting lots of points on his knowledge of Russia (probably his pronunciations)
When is the POW thing coming ........
Could it be possible that he doesn't......
naw, only if he runs out of time
Barry, Rob is so much cooler than Roger Moore.
LIKE OLYMPIC GOLD ASS CRACK!
come on people!!!! isn't it time for a shot? i just heard south absessia , tibscvhinka, and alktehaoi fnlo (or something close to that) for the third time.
"Crisis" was going to be the shot word.
But, I don't want to die.
"Robert thinks Obama is being too polite to McCain."

Especially because of racists' reactions about uppity black men, Obama CANNOT repeat the mistakes of both Gore and Kerry and look condescending in any of the debates.
HIT HIM! HIT HIM!
(Oops, wrong play.)
jennifer - that is funny...
Thank GOD---Obama objects to nuclear waste. i really wasn't sure...
"After 9/11, Joe Leiberman and I''' .....got married.
Ah, the politics of fear litmus test question
wasn't DHS and the Patriot Act part of that 9/11 commission recommendations?
You can tell that John King is allied with Dana Bash -- he is the only one that has McCain ahead...OK, wait, someone nudged Bill Bennett to remind him that he is supposed to support McCain, and he gave him another bump.
OK I think Obama is being way too nice. Go ahead and finish correcting the record! Butt in, interrupt, it's like he's embarrassed for old uncle Mac's ramblings in front of company. "Let's move on"? No!
And if those potential terrorists bomb the nuclear power plants that McCain wants to build?
I bet after, they have debate cake.
predicting the pundits...I'm seeing a pattern -
McCain - looking backward, citing old news, reputation
Obama - looking forward, outlining specifics

btw - the red, blue, and green lines are WAY HIGH!!!
just like freaky & me!
Liz said Barry, Rob is so much cooler than Roger Moore

Liz, that's why I said that Rob is The Saint (not Roger).
What is McCain talking about???
petraeus - social drink!
wasn't Madeline Albright Clinton's Secretary of State?

Catching up. . . I did a double-take on that, too, Lisa. No big deal for someone not McCain, talking in the present tense, but for him I wonder. . .
ok, I can't listen to McCain anymore without some powerful alcohol...I just broke out the 17 yr old Macallan single malt

a double
We could make cake shots!
As many years of experience as McCain is touting, he must be at least 175 years old, perhaps older.

I had to pause the tivo because my mother called to tell me how much she hates that old lying son of a bitch. She's come a long way. She cried when Nixon resigned.
Yes, the veteran's plight is a national travesty. Go Obama!

Yes, Lisa, McCain wants to go back to the past. People don't this negativity...
His father? I hope he makes a strong point back to McCain's negativity.
The old ape still is going on an on about Sarah Playpen. Boy she really doesn't like her. I bet she's a Bratz doll.
Obama s talking about us our future standing, falling behind China, etc. and Mac cannot get off the damn surge.
I can't listen to McCain anymore without some powerful alcohol...I just broke out the 17 yr old Macallan single malt

I'm completely jealous, Barry! I'm drinking some blended Bushmill's...
Liz, thanks for doing this, it was wonderful to see the real-time reax.
ok, now he is mainlining heroin -
he knows how to heal the wounds of war?!?
One point about the possibility of attack (sorry if I'm behind). Leaving Phoenix for Denver was a cakewalk, they barely looked at me. Leaving Denver ventured on an anal probe. We need continuity.
Uh-oh, I've just sorta tracked down various calumnies about my myself in this thread. I am not Simon Templar; I just happen to have the name of a little town in France.
Oh no...coming home from the war...ugh...

I think Obama did what he needed to do. No slam dunk, but no looking "uppity"...no tall poppy getting his head chopped off. Hopefully, the rest of the nation will give Obama the credit he deserves.

CNN is going to do fact-checking. I think that is mandatory.
Rain organic vodka on the rocks. No mix fit for this.....
I'm pouring my 3rd vodka & limeade...
but I'm drinking from a short fleur-de-lis glass

wolf & anderson are about to fact-check...ac360...ooohh, he is so sexy when he breaks out the charts
To sum up my experience:
Line thingie very entertaining
Cake shots, good for Merica
BAM POW
Ass crack
Rob is Pope
Checking in
Where's the punch?

Initial reaction BO let JM ramble on and on and on.
JM never looked at BO.
Kinda grumpy,

Now I wanna go read this thread.... Oooo punch!
It's over! That was fast.

Obama is making great points, but as Girl w/Pen says, he needs to get better at nailing substantive sound bites, and being emotional, not wonky. I'm finally understanding "wonky."

Mac kept saying Obama doesn't understand, doesn't get it as a mantra whether it actually made sense or not on the issue. Mac was grumpy but held his own.

I'm agreeing with the pundits: Obama gave too much away.
Liz - thank you for the party...otherwise, it would have been dullsville
I think both did pretty well. Obama did well enough to gain a few more votes than McCain. But the debate was not a game-changer.
Bill Bennett says McCain was "masterful"

I want whatever he's smokin'
I need a slice of pound cake soaked in Bailey's
lpsrocks................i don't think this was an absolute obama win. you really do??? IMO if he gets rid of palin he's right back in there.

I know this is a demo crowd - shout out to the dems!!!!!! but i am registered independent and did vote for him all those years ago.

Do y'all's group think it's crappy of me to say that i agree with Mc C re: no more business tax and no higher income taxes. I also agree with him on foreign policy (unfortunately palin is his vp candidate which seriously may be a breaking point for me). McCain's healthcare policy is ridiculous - won't happen. i totally support obama on all social issues.

Anyway---no matter what happens --- ANYTHING is better than what we've had for past 8 years.
Bennet reminds me of Jabba the Hutt

not that Jabba was ever as delusional
Did I just hear David Gregory say Rachel Maddow will be in the analysis show, coming up shortly?

Anyone going over to pickensplan.com to confab?
I am soooo disappointed that McCain didn't start foaming at the mouth and screaming. Bummer.

And I want to know--Did anyone consider using "pre-condition" in a drinking game? And if so, are you still sober enough to answer that question?
so i just read my comment and obviously i drank for every possible party word b/c the post makes no sense. please read between the lines friends and see that i'm torn b/w these candidates.

Liz----i don't know you at all but i must say....THANK YOU and GOOD WORK. This was really fun!
I should say, Obama should be less wonky, not "not wonky." I like his ease and confidence with the facts, but he has to get natural around anecdotes, as Liz says.

Liz, thanks for the party!
wow ABC has Martha Raddatz reporting on the debate from tehran, head covering and all
jen...my 2 cents...I don't think it was a slam-dunk

I think that folks who are convinced McCain's experience is the absolute key thing will not be swayed..."supporters are going to be happy"
I think Obama looked strong, cool, and on top of the issues...he didn't look lost, he looked solid on what we need to do after 9/11, and he was very clear on his economic plans
I don't think he won hands-down, but I think he laid the groundwork to keep talking about the economy
Obama looked Presidential to me.

McCain did not.
McCain filibustered. Is there any mother with a heart-wrenching story he hasn't met? Obama was too deferential; too willing to let McCain carry on with another well placed "but..."
My take is Obama wins. Obama had an answer for all McCains questions; whereas John remembers a story from war-torn Yugoslavia when asked to defend his Bush voting record.
Wolf, everyone...one of my personal pet peeves...

it is OLE MISS, not OLD miss
I wish I knew what the CNN watchers were talking about re. the response line (??) on the bottom of the screen? I watched on MSNBC, all they had were pleasant flag waving thingies.

Oh—— good catch by Olbermann: McCain did essentially admit that we have been a nation that tortures.
KO's spot-on summary:
McCain's basic statement: Sen. Obama does not understand ________; I've been to _________
Obama: that's very nice, John, but it's just not true. You are your facts are wrong.

Liz - thanks much! great party!
Signing off.... to finish off this Saranac Pale Ale.....
wolf doing biden now: biden nails some critical points
toodles Liz, it's been an event!
Eeek! Ralph Nader on the Bill Maher panel.

Bartender! More Coronas!
"10:14 p.m. -- North Korea is BAD.....cuz they're SHORT."


HAHAHAHAHAHAA! That caught me too. One of those WTF? moments.

My sense is if you want to simplify it to win/loss/tie - it was a pretty clear tie. McCain did better than I expected (despite saying tons of crap that made me sick to my stomach).

Obama needed to respond to the repeated "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." mantra with one of his own. Use the shiv against him and point out the irony of a pre-war cheerleader saying anything about not understanding. Obama should have hit him much harder on his Iraq war cheerleading.

But he did knock him with a good line about how McCain thinks the war started in 2007.
Thx for the party, Liz:
Scores on scale of o - 5.
1. Obama didn't hit it out of the park.

2. Econ: Obama4, McC.-9 . To start with a story about saving $3 million when the question is about $700 billion, says McC doesn't know about orders of magnitude. Obama countered well. Both get points docked for arm-waving on "What changes would you make re $700 billion". Obama could have tied to costs of war more forcefully -- just mentioned $10 billion/month in Iraq.

3. War in Iraq: Obama4 McCain 1 -- McCain's hiding behind Petreus' skirt was pathetic. Guy just likes skirts, I guess.

4. Afghanistan, Pak etc. : Obama 3 McCain 1. McCain gets points docked for muffing Pak President Mr. 20% Zardari's name. Pronounced it Kardari. I'll have to check when he was in Waziristan. Besides, story of who gave you a bracelet in NH doesn't say squat about Taliban in Kandahar. Obama's bracelet story good counterpunch.

Rest is a bit of a fog. The debate itself or one toke over the line ;-)? Obama challenging McC. on mis-facts and mischaracterizations a plus. McC. smirks, twitches, simmering a minus. POW ending predictable.

Thx. again and WOOF night.
I like the going to Ireland idea, should McPalin win. It ties into my taste in music. Imagine, all of liberal America, going to Ireland. It would be a brain drain, akin to the financial evaporation currently underway.
Sorry I missed it: Not the debate (I thought Obama was very effecrive), but your very fun party.

Thursday night???
Thanks, Liz, I enjoyed that. I was babysitting my granddaughters (ages 4 and 1) so the early part of the debate was mere background to more engaging activities but at one point Kaitlin asked "Who's that?" (can a four year old's voice betray disdain, or maybe it was just fear?). I glanced up, unaware of what they were discussing, and McCain's eyes were telling me, "I'll kick your f***ing ass, smartypants!" Gotta remember, this guy's a jet jockey (think Cruise/Kilmer in Top Gun, hey, wasn't Cruise "Maverick"?)

Kaitlin prefers Obama.
Slammin live blog. Makes me wanna get an invite for the next party (although that would entail a trans-atlantic flight...)
Will join you for the Palin-Biden showdown!
I loved this, Liz. Can't wait until the Palin-Biden debate. That one should be extremely entertaining.
Saturday, I wrote my essay about Friday night. Sunday, I spent a good bit of time scanning back and forth from date stamped comments to your blogging (worth the sore eyes!) and got a good sense of just how sharp your friends are. It may have been a blast to organize and participate, but there is a valuable record left behind, IMHO.
Wonderful to have company for these harrowing debates. When we're ahead, there is less to win and more to lose, like lunch. Thanks for going through it all with me.
I so wanted them to hold their arms side by side, dualing military bracelets glinting in the lights, and then arm wrestle.