Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach: Deluxe Debate Party Edition
Well, here we are again, folks, ready to test my mad live-blogging punditry skillz against the tomfoolery of politicians, to see if my stomach can stand it and keep down fabulous food goodies. Tonight’s episode is extra special because I am not alone. Tonight I come to you LIVE from my basement, where I have assembled a sampling of Virginia democrats to watch the debate with me. Some of them have even agreed to be “blogged” tonight, which means you’ll be meeting them, and hearing what they have to say about the race here in Virginia.
A word about the menu tonight…because it is the deluxe party edition, most of the food is in the line of party munchies. I have prepared a couple of dishes, and some have been brought by my guests. My offerings include dates stuffed with goat cheese and almonds, and wrapped in bacon, and grape-bleu cheese “truffles.”
Among the party guests tonight are Joanna DeLaune, a local Fairfax County precinct captain and several others whose names you'll hear over the course of the evening.
So without futher ado, let's begin.....
8:21 p.m. -- Folks are starting to arrive for the party. I'm settling in on the sectional with people. We are, of course, turned to Kieth Olberman and MSNBC, because liberal bias is going to be a necessary evil tonight.
8:23 p.m.-- Margie and Robert are concerned with how old Kieth's hands look.
8:26 p.m. -- Margie and I discuss how really, really dumb it was for McCain to diss Letterman.
8:30 p.m. -- Kieth admits that he's got a big head.
8:33 p.m. -- We're discussing the fact that Palin still has some appeal. Margie's neighbor apparently likes Palin because "she reminds me of me." We are flabbergasted.
8:37 p.m. -- Kieth's re-airing snippets of the Palin-Couric interview. It doesn't get better with repeated viewings.
8:43 p.m. -- Robert and I are talking about what would really "blow it" for each of the candidates. Obviously if McCain looks too old or too crazy he's dead. But what about Obama? Is there really anything you can think of that would tank it all for Obama? We're having trouble with that.
8:45 p.m. -- Margie figures if he gets too rambly in his answers.
8:48 p.m. -- This hot and cool thing is starting to irritate me.
8:51 p.m. -- Joanna is giving a little talk to the folks assembled about how we're going to win this election for Obama. It involves canvassing and phone banks, of course.
8:58 p.m. -- Peg, who's been doing a lot of canvassing, is reporting that on her canvasses, she's seeing alot of women who are NOT voting McCain because they are angry about the Palin pick. Also, apparently the phone banks are getting so crowded with volunteers they are running out of equipment.
9:01 p.m. -- in a room of about 20 people, 7 responded that this is their first time volunteering for a Presidential campaign.
9:03 p.m. -- I am LOVING that Jim didn't share the questions or have anyone review them. And that there will be no cheering.
9:04 p.m. -- Obama enters the fray.
9:05 p.m. -- our gang here LOVES the tying of McCain to Bush's failed policies.
9:06 p.m. -- McCain's not feeling too great.....about his poll numbers.
9:07 p.m. -- I thought the GOP was walking away from the negotiations....I think he's rewriting history here.
9:10 p.m. -- Obama makes a great point here about how deregulation brought this on.
9:11 p.m. -- McCain is going to try to defend his boneheaded call to fire the SEC chair?
9:12 p.m. -- Lerher wants them to engage. I agree. Go get him Obama!
9:13 p.m. -- I think the first one that engage is going to win this thing.
9:15 p.m. -- Earmarking as a gateway drug prompts Joanna to say that earmarking doesn't sound nearly as much fun as other gateway drugs.
9:17 p.m. -- Obama goes after the tax cuts. I think it's a good move on his part. McCain is trying to do the "pork barrel" thing, and I don't think it's that persuasive.
9:19 p.m. -- I like going after John's figures. I like that he's started to engage. I think he's got it.
9:21 p.m. -- IRELAND? You're seriously talking about Ireland? And what the hell is this hard on for cutting spending?
9:23 p.m. -- I think McCain is getting pissed..the exhale...the nervous smile. And FESTOONED?
9:26 p.m. -- Obama is being smart on this next lead question. He's leaving the gate open....but setting the priorities.
9:29 p.m. -- Opposing ethanol subsidies is one reason you're not winning Iowa, Johnnie.
9:32 p.m. -- spending freeze? Let me tell you about Iraq, John.....
9:36 p.m. -- McCain is working the healthcare thing hard...and the cut spending thing. Traditional GOP lines. And Obama needs to call his ass on the Veterans' thing. Seriously.
9:38 p.m. -- Wave of nausea hits as McCain proclaims himself a "Maverick"
9:39 p.m. -- McCain now takes credit for "winning" Iraq. I may lose it here people.
9:40 p.m. -- Margie is really unsure whether McCain can really say this shit and believe it.
9:44 p.m. -- McCain is going to lose it here at some point, I can feel it.
9:46 p.m. -- Oh yeah, Iraq is SO going to be our ally after we leave....and Obama is looking very authoritative.
9:49 p.m. -- McCain is getting rolled....
9:51 p.m. -- Lawyer's tactic ... take his lingo and ram it back down his throat. Note the emphasis on "strategic"
9:54 p.m. -- "you don't say that out loud" spawns laughter in the crowd here at chez liz.
9:56 p.m. -- Joanna thinks McCain looks like he has to go to the bathroom. Any bets on whether he's wearing depends?
9:58 p.m. -- Groans here as McCain invokes Ronald Reagan.
9:59 p.m. -- how much money says he breaks out the bracelet?
10:00 p.m. -- Tell me about the war grandpappy.....
10:02 p.m. -- someone here thinks McCAin and his stripey tie make him look like the ice cream man.
10:04 p.m. -- Didn't the whole sanctions thing get tried once before with Iran?
10:07 p.m. -- Obama needs to get himself a little more in the game. He's doing the wonky thing again.
10:08 p.m. -- You know McCain's been waiting to deliver this line about Iran all night. But John, seriously, learn how to say "perestroika."
10:10 p.m. -- The Henry Kissinger thing is priceless here.
10:12 p.m. -- SPAIN! That was a pretty good shot.
10:14 p.m. -- North Korea is BAD.....cuz they're SHORT.
10:16 p.m. -- Robert thinks Obama is being too polite to McCain.
10:18 p.m. -- Oh, now we're going to hear about how John McCain saved Georgia.
10:19 p.m. -- wait, you call Russians a "KGB Appartchik government" and you think you're not going to start a new cold war? Are you on CRACK?
10:24 p.m. -- Here's come the smirk!
10:26 p.m. -- the 9-11 Commission....let's see what happens here....
10:28 p.m. -- Wait, we should congratualte McCain for doing the recommendations of the 9-11 Commission, one of which was the creation of DHS, which he complained about earlier as expansion of bureaucracy....
10:30 p.m. -- we have less respect in the world...this gets nods and approval from the crowd here.
10:31 p.m. -- SDI brought the end of the Cold War? You are ON CRACK!
10:33 p.m. -- Obama is getting himself together here. This last bit has been fantastic.
10:35 p.m. -- McCain and his farkin' surge.
10:36 p.m. -- Here we go, the POW thing......
Our group here is thinking that the debate was a mixed bag -- Obama got some hits in, but McCain did too. Peg says that McCainis better with the anecdotal parts, but Obama was better at the analysis.
10:44 p.m. -- we switch to CNN to check what the analysts are saying. Although quite frankly, Bill Bennet is going to make me hurl if I'm not careful.
10:45 p.m. -- Margie is disappointed there wasn't more interaction between the candidates.
10:50 p.m. -- castellanos says a tie for McCain keeps him in the game. I think he may be right about that. He also says that Obama looks Presidential.
10:53 p.m. -- Interesting to see Toobin talk about the focus groups.
10:53 p.m. -- most of the party cleared out by now. Gergen on CNN is saying that McCain needed a clear win. Gergen I find leans right, but honestly, he's often spot on. If he's saying McCain is still behind, I kinda believe him.
10:57 p.m. -- Hubby is getting paranoid about cleanup. I guess that means I gotta go. Thanks for stopping by!


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Comments
...joining you from very-blue Maryland, I invited some of my Facebook friends as well...
hope Kerry gets you up on the front-page soon!
Chicken a la King here, I think we're re-enacting the Nixon-Kennedy debate. I hope McCain looks as pasty as Nixon did but since McCain's makeup artiste follows his every move, it's not likely.
I'm glad to see Rachel Maddow there. I swear she could turn my channel since she's so smart. Keith's hands do look old but so do mine (but I have an excuse-farmer).
I also love how the female conservative columnist asked for Palin's ouster.
I want to see fire from Obama tonight.
Is it wrong that I want to see McCain's left eye droop even more? Yes, I know it is. That was my voodoo priestess talking.
I don't know if I was this nervous on my wedding day!
what I have noticed is that Bill O., Dave Letterman, and Bill Clinton have incredibly large hands
or maybe it's the TV Cameras...
ok...back to MSNBC, Dick Morris is coming up and I just can't tolerate that much
I'm going to take the dog for a quick walk but hope to be back by the beginning of the hour to experience this debate with y'all!
it doesn't
Oh no, Michelle O, not a great print fabrication...
I heart Jim Lehrer. He better moderate a tough debate.
"quintiles" and "cosmos" WTW? (my kids' substitution for WTF? that they are not allowed to use, even as an acronymn)
If Obama can reassure voters he's cool, collected, safe, and able to be commander in chief, he wins it. Short of that, it won't be much different after this debate sans an unlikely gaffe.
so how is that supposed to work, since Lehrer says the audience has been coached to remain silent?!?
Potentially?
I am totally confused!?!
McCain said he called for SEC chairman's resignation. He actually said he'd FIRE him if president, something the president doesn't have the power to do as it is an independent agency.
Thanks, again, Liz, for hosting us!
I guess they figure they can't do the Alaska bridge anymore!
Oh oh.McCain is claiming "sheriff."
Lehrer would make a good couples therapist.
isn't that awfully close to what Palin got in Alaska?
(p.s., I'm a minute or two behind; I had to rewind to make sure we heard a couple of things correctly)
Obama finally addressed McCain directly!
Inappropriate laughter from McCain. He IS the Joker.
dd - Festooned? good word, what does it mean, ds?
ds - Festooned? It means McCain is trying to look smart.
obama is dead on for health care which is really important to me....maybe #1 issue. - i think mccain's plan is ridiculous.
but obama's plan for energy is a total joke. ten years for independence is not going to happen---at least he's talking about it but it's also pandering. won't happen until people can make money off solar,wind, etc and all american energy/ natural gas, etc.
it takes three years to get the govt. to agree on a contractor for a screwdriver.
McCain wants to take care of vets, but what else. Old ideas on trickle down -- no tax cuts...get with the current picture. Wasteful spending...stump, stump
oooohhh, freaky, are you paying attention?!? the Independents really liked that.
War mishandled -- spend more on the war -- surge surge!!
Barf on Petreas...
And the EKG line - what , is the audience wired?
Debate Drinking Game is in full swing.
McCain -- do we keep war going forever -- SURGE WORKED - YEAH!!!
Good Obama -- go at him about the war.
Obama go -- Afghanistan talk. 16 months - go Obama.
Now, where's that thimble.......
We need to stand united or we're fucked.
During the debate, McCain once again took credit for his crusade to block a new contract for Boeing for a new fleet of midair refueling tankers. He said he saved taxpayers more than $6 billion while launching a Senate probe that found cozy relations between Pentagon officials and Boeing executives.
But the GAO found significant problems in the rebidding of the new contract, which had awarded the contract to a partnership between Northrup Grumman and the European firm EADS.
"This shows how a sort of naive crusade for good government can actually backfire," Loren Thompson, of the Lexington Institute, a defense think tank, told Newsweek.
--Michael Abramowitz
McCain: "you don't do that, you don't say it out loud..."
the great Bush legacy
We have what we have tho, and Obama needs to nail it a bit more often. Poppies!!!
I think McCain is ONLY good for talking about war, war and more war
you freaking heathen liberals!! smite you!
Oh-oh Bomb Iran...He has a record...He has a record in national security decisions...Talking tough now...Oh going for the pandering about the bracelet.
Oy.
"Iranian's have a lousy government" - scary words, where have I heard them before?!? IEDs, Republican Guard, sound like WMD?
McCain, is hell-bent on Iranian Uranium.
Wasn't that called, uh... a "coalition of the willing"?
Okay, now I see the value of that red line showing Republican response--they are total suckers.
Oooh sit down with the bad guys..AK..AHK..Yuk...OK It is hard to say...
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=22826
Why can't McPain talk? His dentures must be loose.
I guess I'm not the average voter
Go, Obama, keep America safe! Kissinger wants to meet with Iran without preconditions...Go Barack
just keep saying that, Barack! you go!!
::Bang bang!::
I'm the rootinest tootinest...
Funny -- Said McCain wouldn't even meet with Spain.
He didn't say without preconditions -- listen. OOOH dangerous.
THAT'S Sarah Palin's foreign policy strength! She knows Bullwinkle!
but, IMHO, it doesn't seem to be gaining any traction as Obama seems to fully understand the issues
Could it be possible that he doesn't......
naw, only if he runs out of time
But, I don't want to die.
Especially because of racists' reactions about uppity black men, Obama CANNOT repeat the mistakes of both Gore and Kerry and look condescending in any of the debates.
(Oops, wrong play.)
McCain - looking backward, citing old news, reputation
Obama - looking forward, outlining specifics
btw - the red, blue, and green lines are WAY HIGH!!!
just like freaky & me!
Liz, that's why I said that Rob is The Saint (not Roger).
Catching up. . . I did a double-take on that, too, Lisa. No big deal for someone not McCain, talking in the present tense, but for him I wonder. . .
a double
I had to pause the tivo because my mother called to tell me how much she hates that old lying son of a bitch. She's come a long way. She cried when Nixon resigned.
Yes, Lisa, McCain wants to go back to the past. People don't this negativity...
I'm completely jealous, Barry! I'm drinking some blended Bushmill's...
he knows how to heal the wounds of war?!?
I think Obama did what he needed to do. No slam dunk, but no looking "uppity"...no tall poppy getting his head chopped off. Hopefully, the rest of the nation will give Obama the credit he deserves.
CNN is going to do fact-checking. I think that is mandatory.
but I'm drinking from a short fleur-de-lis glass
wolf & anderson are about to fact-check...ac360...ooohh, he is so sexy when he breaks out the charts
Line thingie very entertaining
Cake shots, good for Merica
BAM POW
Ass crack
Rob is Pope
Where's the punch?
Initial reaction BO let JM ramble on and on and on.
JM never looked at BO.
Kinda grumpy,
Now I wanna go read this thread.... Oooo punch!
Obama is making great points, but as Girl w/Pen says, he needs to get better at nailing substantive sound bites, and being emotional, not wonky. I'm finally understanding "wonky."
Mac kept saying Obama doesn't understand, doesn't get it as a mantra whether it actually made sense or not on the issue. Mac was grumpy but held his own.
I'm agreeing with the pundits: Obama gave too much away.
I want whatever he's smokin'
I know this is a demo crowd - shout out to the dems!!!!!! but i am registered independent and did vote for him all those years ago.
Do y'all's group think it's crappy of me to say that i agree with Mc C re: no more business tax and no higher income taxes. I also agree with him on foreign policy (unfortunately palin is his vp candidate which seriously may be a breaking point for me). McCain's healthcare policy is ridiculous - won't happen. i totally support obama on all social issues.
Anyway---no matter what happens --- ANYTHING is better than what we've had for past 8 years.
not that Jabba was ever as delusional
Anyone going over to pickensplan.com to confab?
And I want to know--Did anyone consider using "pre-condition" in a drinking game? And if so, are you still sober enough to answer that question?
Liz----i don't know you at all but i must say....THANK YOU and GOOD WORK. This was really fun!
Liz, thanks for the party!
I think that folks who are convinced McCain's experience is the absolute key thing will not be swayed..."supporters are going to be happy"
I think Obama looked strong, cool, and on top of the issues...he didn't look lost, he looked solid on what we need to do after 9/11, and he was very clear on his economic plans
I don't think he won hands-down, but I think he laid the groundwork to keep talking about the economy
McCain did not.
My take is Obama wins. Obama had an answer for all McCains questions; whereas John remembers a story from war-torn Yugoslavia when asked to defend his Bush voting record.
it is OLE MISS, not OLD miss
Oh—— good catch by Olbermann: McCain did essentially admit that we have been a nation that tortures.
McCain's basic statement: Sen. Obama does not understand ________; I've been to _________
Obama: that's very nice, John, but it's just not true. You are your facts are wrong.
Liz - thanks much! great party!
Bartender! More Coronas!
HAHAHAHAHAHAA! That caught me too. One of those WTF? moments.
My sense is if you want to simplify it to win/loss/tie - it was a pretty clear tie. McCain did better than I expected (despite saying tons of crap that made me sick to my stomach).
Obama needed to respond to the repeated "Senator Obama just doesn't understand..." mantra with one of his own. Use the shiv against him and point out the irony of a pre-war cheerleader saying anything about not understanding. Obama should have hit him much harder on his Iraq war cheerleading.
But he did knock him with a good line about how McCain thinks the war started in 2007.
Scores on scale of o - 5.
1. Obama didn't hit it out of the park.
2. Econ: Obama4, McC.-9 . To start with a story about saving $3 million when the question is about $700 billion, says McC doesn't know about orders of magnitude. Obama countered well. Both get points docked for arm-waving on "What changes would you make re $700 billion". Obama could have tied to costs of war more forcefully -- just mentioned $10 billion/month in Iraq.
3. War in Iraq: Obama4 McCain 1 -- McCain's hiding behind Petreus' skirt was pathetic. Guy just likes skirts, I guess.
4. Afghanistan, Pak etc. : Obama 3 McCain 1. McCain gets points docked for muffing Pak President Mr. 20% Zardari's name. Pronounced it Kardari. I'll have to check when he was in Waziristan. Besides, story of who gave you a bracelet in NH doesn't say squat about Taliban in Kandahar. Obama's bracelet story good counterpunch.
Rest is a bit of a fog. The debate itself or one toke over the line ;-)? Obama challenging McC. on mis-facts and mischaracterizations a plus. McC. smirks, twitches, simmering a minus. POW ending predictable.
Thx. again and WOOF night.
Thursday night???
Kaitlin prefers Obama.