Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach: Super Comfy Edition
Greetings, loyal fans and first timers! Welcome again to Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach, where I test my intestinal fortitude (and my dinner) against the ridiculousness that is our political system in action.
I am dubbing tonight's episode the "Super Comfy" edition because I don't think we'll see anything earth-shattering from the candidates. So I am going ultra comfy tonight. Dinner was broiled sirloin, mashed potatoes and spinach salad. And in order to stave off the cravings I experienced last time, I have already indulged in the chocolate ice cream. I am also going super comfy with the clothing -- I've already put on the yoga pants, old sailing shirt, and put the hair up in the hairsticks.
As always, we will be tuned to MSNBC until I can no longer tolerate Chris Matthews, at which point we will watch CNN and its line-thingie.
Let's begin:
7:56 p.m. -- My husband nixes Chris Matthews in favor of the last four minutes of SportsCenter. I am not upset considering they have some stupid backlit ice sculpture of Chris Matthews that is particularly egregiously bad-looking.
8:00 p.m. -- We are back on Countdown for some Keith-ey goodness.
8:02 p.m. -- I wrest control of the clicker from the husband.
8:04 p.m. -- Keith gives us a glimpse of the early voting numbers, though they flash by so fast I don't get to see more than the fact that Obama is up in all of them.
8:06 p.m. -- Okay the "Batman" clip is eerily on point and TOTALLY funny!
8:09 p.m. -- Keith has a chalkstripe suit on that makes him look all gangsterly. I want to put a hat on him and start calling him Sky Masterson.
8:11 p.m. -- the seatedness of the debate is being discussed. Are sit-downs more affable....probably, which means that if McCain does try to attack it will look even worse for him.
8:15 p.m. -- Chris Kofinis is really certain attacks from McCain will backfire. And what's this about free CELL PHONE TOWERS?
8:17 p.m. -- although, the irony is, most communities try to keep cell phone towers out because they are eyesores...
8:19 p.m. -- maybe it's the fact that I do not keep long fingernails (when you play with solvents and files for a good bit of the day, fingernails are a necessary casualty), but I think that sponges marketed as "nail savers" are stupid.
8:21 p.m. -- Ah, the voter suppression tactics are apparently officially underway.
8:25 p.m. -- Maddow is giving her highly intelligent commentary. Obama can't look like he is on defense. I think she's right.
8:30 p.m. -- David Frum makes "worst persons." The guy who invents the "Axis of Evil" gets his panties in a twist and imagines he is being called a Nazi....??????
8:33 p.m. -- wow, Rush Limbaugh has really lost it. I mean, seriously.
8:37 p.m. -- Okay, Keith gets lost in the baseball analogy. This is what happens when you let sportscasters do political commentary. At least Keith has that as an excuse. George Will, of course, has no excuse.
8:43 p.m. -- Promo for Madagascar 2: Escape to Africa. For reasons I cannot go into right now, references to duct tape always make me laugh.
8:46 p.m. -- You know, "say it to my face" is turning out to be f-ing BRILLIANT. If he actually does, he looks small. If he doesn't, he looks cowardly.
8:47 p.m. -- Apparently, McCain is planning on bringing up ACORN, Bill Ayres, and the whole kit and kaboodle -- except Jeremiah Wright.
8:50 p.m. -- It's going to be hard for McCain to bring up the attacks and still look like a decent human being. The comeback from Obama will be one for the books.
8:54 p.m. -- They've done 50 debates over the past two years. JEEZ!
8:55 p.m. -- Okay, the sweater on Chris Matthews is not a real good look with the purple shirt.
8:59 p.m. -- okay, switching to CNN for the line thingie. Although Wolf Blitzer is only slightly less irritating than Chris Matthews.
9:02 p.m. -- Bob looks like a central casting newscaster.
9:02 p.m. -- McCain already has a smirk on his face, from the moment he walks out. And that makeup job is really bad on HD, lemme tell ya.
9:04 p.m. -- tepid response from the line thingie so far for McCain's dscussion of the economy.
9:07 p.m. -- Obama's line thingies are much higher, until he agrees with McCain.
9:08 p.m. -- McCain is going on the attack by bring up "Joe the Plumber" and talking directly to him. It's really kind of patronizing and gimmicky.
9:10 p.m. -- Obama's response is really great.
9:12 p.m. -- McCain tries to play the snark, laughing at his own cleverness. He reminds me of that kid in the back of the class who tries to make fun of what the teacher is saying but comes off as a jerk. And McCain is back on the Ireland thing again. WTF?
9:16 p.m. -- I like that Obama is explaining this in terms of investments that will make things cheaper down the line.
9:17 p.m. -- McCain decides to pivot back to homeownership -- and the line thingie drops like a rock.
9:18 p.m. -- McCain opposes ethanol subsidies. This is why you can't win in Iowa. "I know how to save billions." And he wants the line item veto.
9:20 p.m. -- McCain says "I am not President Bush" -- that was a pure bid for a soundbyte.
9:21 p.m. -- If anyone made a drinking game out of the word "angry" they are in deep shit by now.
9:23 p.m. -- The "reaching across the aisle" response was beautifully done. Men like "hatchet" because it is an aggressive word. Women hate it for the same reason.
9:25 p.m. -- here it comes....the attacks.
9:26 p.m. -- I still don't get the whole notion of how this could have been avoided if he'd done town hall meetings. I mean, really, are you that thin-skinned that you have one thing refused and you lose your mind. And now he's trying the John Lewis thing.
9:28 p.m. -- Obama is taking him to school on this. Exactly as he should.
9:32 p.m. -- Obama's response is pitch perfect. And he's rising above it, which is crucial. Let McCain be the pig in the muck.
9:33 p.m. -- McCain is defending the people who come to his rallies. And he's getting all righteously indignant.
9:35 p.m. -- "disagree without being disagreeable."
9:36 p.m. -- McCain's numbers TANK when he turns back to Ayres and ACORN.
9:37 p.m. -- I like this part....let me tell you who I DO associate with. That's new. I like it.
9:40 p.m. -- Wow, that question about running mates was pretty much tailor made for Obama.
9:42 p.m. -- for those of you watching CCN on HD -- either Gergen just woke up or they fixed the rating thingie.
9:43 p.m. -- the women are NOT buying the Sarah Palin thing. and the men of course, are being led with the small brain.
9:45 p.m. -- McCain, the three country thing in Iraq might not be as cockamamie as you think.
9:47 p.m. -- Canadian oil is fine....I am sure the Canadians are relieved to hear you think so, John.
9:50 p.m. -- Obama's getting wonky on the free trade thing.
9:51 p.m. -- if you drill right this second John, not a single drop of that oil will arrive on the market for three years.
9:53 p.m. -- McCain and his eyebrows make him come off as a jerk, as does the heavy breathing.
9:54 p.m. -- Is anyone else getting distracted by "Blinky the badly made up guy with the turkey neck?"
9:56 p.m. -- When McCain tried to bring up the "without conditions" thing, the women just dialed down and stayed there.
9:58 p.m. -- If Obama wins, it will be in no small part because of his healthcare plan.
9:59 p.m. -- You know, McCain is banking on Joe the Plumber being a McCain fan. Which means that either Joe the Plumber was a plant at the Obama rally, or John is banking on no one being able to find Joe after the debate.
10:03 p.m. -- McCain is back to "spreading the wealth around." I want CNN to find this Joe the Plumber. Seriously.
10:06 p.m. -- "No litmus test" where have we heard that before? Can we replay that "View" episode, John?
10:09 p.m. -- I don't beleive in a litmus test, but I don't htink anyone who supports Roe could possibly be qualified.....contradiction anyone?
10:10 p.m. -- This is brilliant -- bring in equal pay for equal work.
10:12 p.m. -- women are really not digging this business.
10:13 p.m. -- McCain's facial expressions are going to get him in trouble. It's like Al Gore in 2000.
10:15 p.m. -- McCain is just ready to pounce. He looks a bit like a tool.
10:17 p.m. -- What makes Obama so great is that he sets up the framework for the issue as he answers the question, setting up how we should think about education, not just saying "here's my plan."
10:20 p.m. -- "Competition" is always the answer, eh?
10:22 p.m. -- You know, I think it's a good thing that Obama is willing to say that he agrees with McCain on some things. This is part of the reason why he is generally perceived as more positive than McCain.
10:24 p.m. -- Milking the autism thing is really not working for McCain. And my husband is ready to kill someone right now.
10:27 p.m. -- Oh John, you're so clever, and such an asshat with that big "I'm so gonna git you" smile.
10:29 p.m. -- McCain's summation was liked, but not loved.
10:30 p.m. -- the women LOVE Obama. The men like him.
10:31 p.m. -- McCain looked like he'd rather be chewing glass than shaking Obama's hand.
10:32 p.m. -- My take on the whole thing is that McCain had higher highs and lower lows, but that doesn't mean that he made any progress here.
10:33 p.m. -- Bennett makes a great plumber joke.
10:35 p.m. -- Gergen's take (very important) is that McCain was too personal with the attacks, and so it all unravelled for him after that. Obama's cool and calm was better approved.
10:36 p.m. -- Bennett likes "McCain the fighter pilot."
10:38 p.m. -- Hilary Rosen talks about how McCain "dragged himself down."
10:40 p.m. -- John King makes some good points about Independents and why they are Independents. Toobin brings up the Supreme Court.
10:42 p.m. -- BOW TO THE COVERTROLL POWER OF THE FREAKY!!!!!
10:46 p.m. -- Soledad with the undecideds. Most of them thought Obama won the debate.
10:49 p.m. -- Joe the Plumber seemed gimmicky to the undecideds.
10:50 p.m. -- Of Soledad's undecideds, three have fallen off the fence -- for Obama.
10:55 p.m. -- Hillary is now on CNN. She's pointing out how "steady" Obama's leadership is.
11:00 p.m. -- Hillary makes a good point about not whittling down the majority in the Senate.
11:01 p.m. -- Here come the poll numbers..... Obama by a landslide. Obama's favorables go up. McCain's favorables go down -- below 50%. This is not good for McCain.
11:04 p.m. -- Borger talks about how McCain can't hide his disdain for Obama. McCain is too angry, too contemptuous.
11:05 p.m. -- Dana Bash tries to make excuses for McCain.
I want to thank everyone for coming tonight. I've had so much fun doing this, and I'll be here election night. The problem then won't be the rhetoric, but the stress of watching and waiting for what we're all hoping for.....an OBAMA WIN!!!


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Comments
dentist called it a "fibroma," assured me it was notthing to worry about, but took it off and sent it off for that dreaded word - "biopsy"
I'm not terribly worried, because I've developed a bad habit of biting the inside of my lip. Also, had a hand thingie, called a pyrogenic granuloma or something removed when dd was a baby, from washing my hands too much
ooh, ooh, Rachel's on now! have I told you guys I LUURVVE her!
Freaky, she's sworn off drugs for the moment, she's got half the garage filled with Pabst Blue Ribbon though.
having said that, John King is actually bringing up the fact that for the first time in a long time, the Democratic candidate has a whole lot more money/resources than the Republican
Prediction: It will be BORING!
One chance of fireworks: McCain makes a desperate one-term pledge.
WTF?!?
I can't follow what he's saying.
yep, Kerry, he said - "Fannie & Freddie Mae...caused subprime lending crisis"
what Obama wants to do to joe the plumber?
OK. Joe has a real last last name now other than six-pack . . . Joe W..berger?
Do all plumbers drink excessive amounts of beer? Not trying to be funny here. Just might be annoying to be a plumber and characterized this way.
"we have presided over the largest increase in government in history"
women...not so much
commendable on some issues, very sincere...
but on economics, NOT!!
Oh YEAH!!! Bob Schieffer is asking the big question about "palling around with terrorists."
Say it to my face!
How will McCain balance the budget? Stop it -- how will he balance the budget? Stop saying what Obama did, did not do.
now blame it on John Lewis
HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL? WTF?
John McCain is such a loser!
Jeez, let's stop talking about imaginary people...
Not taking public financing is a bad character trait?
Which one is the rich -- really rich -- guy here.
Bob Schieffer, aren't you the referee?
And yeah, Joe the Plumber, I suspect he's like reagan's welfare queen. He doesn't exist. Except in that addled old man's brain
Has anyone around here seen a derogatory t-shirt lately?
::gigglesnort!::
Sarah Palin is a STUNT.
ACORN is destroying the fabric of our democracy.... what's left of the fabric after 8 years of Bush?
Then again, I'm sitting at home lauging my ass off.
Let's bring back Joe the Plumber. I need a shot.
So he is spending a lot of money. Joe the plumber and spreading the wealth in one sentence.
That is the drinking game if one watches a TIVO'd version.
"Washed up old terrorist!"
"Let me TELL you who I associate with..."
Excellent comeback.
Big big tip.
The unacceptable t-shirts.
L.T. I'm speechless.
And UK, watch what you say about geriatrics :-). Unless, you mean McC's drooling,slobbering, drivel. (I just drrol -- all Boxers do. But I don't drivel).
WOOF
(Washed Up Terrorists")
"this whole tactic says more about your campaign than it says about me."
So ... is "reform" the "maverick" du jour?
If you lived closer, I'd share my booze with you.
Hillary is a role model. Sarah Palin = not so much. unless you're an idiot.
btw - he's 9. but the men in Ohio love her.
reform. DRINK.
WOMEN?
You might want to check your red line there, bucko!
You ARE the old boy network!!!
"Special needs families" caused a scream so loud we woke a baby.
YOU SUCK, GRANDPA MUNSTER!
I like this question.
yeah, b/c we killed 100K or more and the rest have left
Isn't that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard?
OOOOO . . . I think I hear Jodie screaming about the special needs again ;0).
does anyone else think they might be flashing subliminal photos of Sarah behind him whenever McCain speaks?
Drill, Baby, Drill!!!!!!
Florida's main income is tourism. One bad oil spill and Panama City/Pensacola have big problems. Hurricanes ALWAYS go through Pensacola. It seems to be required.
Obama = Hoover.
Did you hear that, Dorinda?
The screaming from the north?
::GAAAHHHHH::
whether they make sense or not
And has McCain ever tried to buy a health insurance policy for 5K? Are you shitting me?
Mainly because McC. seems to have no lips!! Note this the next time on Split-screen when O. speaks. America will NOT vote for an old guy with NO LIPS.
I'm sick of hearing about Joe John
Dorinda - not to "speak for great leader", but I think that's why he says "look at". "hmmm, across from tourism... no. across from harsh desolate shore...mebbe."
joe, joe the plumber - the women are tired of it
my friend, DRINK!!
See him speaking really, really slowly so even McCain can follow?
See McCain not paying attention? (Of course you do.)
Interesting. Just no attacks for the nielsen voters. Even when Obama explained the %5k thing, he went down even with women.
OK, Joe is real.
I saw him somewhere on TV - national news or BBC news covering OBAMA walking an Ohio neighborhood meet n greet. He wanted to buy a plumbing business wirth about 250K and he asked Obama how his tax plan would affect his business plans. The sound bite ended with Obama starting to explain.
McCain must have seen the same news lol
Let's call it what it is, Mr. Cryptkeeper:
"spread the wealth" = socialism
CALL IT SOCIALISM!
Whose plan covers cosmetic surgery?
Really?
I pay $800 a month for my health insurance through The Man's work. Help me out with how that equals $5000?
My head just exploded.
who has insurance that covers cosmetic surgery and hair transplants?
nobody I know.
. . .
Joe the plumber I got one glass left.
Seriously?
Line up, minorities! Slavery will be back soon!
::glaring at the tv::
The last thing we need is another Scalitoberts.
and we should believe you, John, because?!
Sorry about that.
The Roe v. Wade bullshit just tanked us.
Keep your chiclet teeth off my ovaries, you geriatric pez dispenser!
The merlot was beter anyway.
Get a vasectomy or cut your dick off.
That's what he said.
Pro-choice = unqualified.
"Proudly pro-life"?
I have a lot of profanity going right now.
JB wants some Joe the Plumber boxer shorts - total chick magnet.
WOOF (and hey, I'm neutered)
It's such a baaaaaaaaaaad thing
Read that to understand an iota of how pissed off I am right now.
Overall, following the people-meter toy for the first time throughout, Obama hits higher sustained highs and does not reach the lows McCain does.
Yes, he did. But that's not a litmus test!
Start at McCain rallies.
McCain just played the race card.
I am in the Twilight Zone.
I just forbid more than three uses of it, thing, do, and the indirect you. Ever.
No more work comments . . . promise.
most money goes to the most underperforming schools.
means money goes to the schools where it is needed. oh, I hate when they talk about schools. it is all BULLSHIT!!!!
Teachers deserve more respect than that. Obama is heading into constructive discussion, unlike his opponent.
Must be McCain's plan to encourage deferred re-enlisting.
Does he not know that Autism and Down's Syndrome are NOT the same thing?
that is the question and the central difference between the Repubs and the Dems
Kidding.
Need another drink.
Gulp.
He's a class act.
McCain's closing statement was better rated. first segment he ended up ahead in. Is that bad?
And in other news... I'm so ready for a First Lady with a figure like Mrs. Obama. ^_^
::Make a point to acknowledge Michelle....check::
Vouchers and charters both take money away from the overall system.
Evidently Begala is an OS reader!
--Can't control his breathing (probably has a hard on thinking about Palin)
--Cuts Obama and moderates off
--One of the biggest liars I've ever seen and heard
--Blinks too much... shows he is lying and is insecure
--NEVER looks at camera directly and NEVER looks at Obama directly for more than a millisecond at a time
--Is completely smug with himself, much like the moron who's currently in the White House
--LIES, LIES, and LIES
--Instead of answering questions directly and explaining where he stands on issues, he immediately goes to cutting Obama down and attacking his character
--Skates around questions to avoid answering them directly or at all
--His answers consist of snide comments about Obama and feel-good stories of the past... makes me want to puke
--If he gets any more snide with his comments about Obama, I'm going to have to hunt him down
--Sarcastic mo' fo'
do we really want a 72 year old fighter pilot?
Love it!
Thanks for hosting, Liz. This is always a real treat.
btw - Chris Matthews ditched the sweater and has a coat & tie on.
I couldn't have done it without you!!
Smooches
(Take THAT Jello!)
CCC gets astute analysis vote: Note comment at precisely 9:30 ("American people don't care about us hurting, John") which got to McCain and left him sputtering afterwards. McCain better for first 30 minutes (best lyin': I'm not George Bush); O. cleaned his clock after that.
Thx for the party , Liz. Next one, election night?
WOOF
Joe
Charles Krauthammer
if Reagan himself had been in McCain's chair, there is nothing he could have done to change the race
unless Obama makes a big mistake, which he does not do
Obama seemed amused, remarkably unruffled when McCain was talking
McCain looked stern, odd
Obama - discipline, self-containment is his gift. did you see it on Palin? he didn't even touch it.
Fred Barnes - Obama seems confident, over-confident
unidentified woman citing
CBS News Poll - 7/10 think Obama has temperament to be Pres.; only 5/10 think McCain does
Obama looked and sounded so intelligent and presidential.