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OCTOBER 15, 2008 11:06PM

Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach: Super Comfy Edition

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Greetings, loyal fans and first timers!  Welcome again to Iron Pundit vs. Iron Stomach, where I test my intestinal fortitude (and my dinner) against the ridiculousness that is our political system in action.

 I am dubbing tonight's episode the "Super Comfy" edition because I don't think we'll see anything earth-shattering from the candidates.  So I am going ultra comfy tonight.  Dinner was broiled sirloin, mashed potatoes and spinach salad.  And in order to stave off the cravings I experienced last time, I have already indulged in the chocolate ice cream.  I am also going super comfy with the clothing -- I've already put on the yoga pants, old sailing shirt, and put the hair up in the hairsticks.

As always, we will be tuned to MSNBC until I can no longer tolerate Chris Matthews, at which point we will watch CNN and its line-thingie.

Let's begin:

 7:56 p.m. -- My husband nixes Chris Matthews in favor of the last four minutes of SportsCenter.  I am not upset considering they have some stupid backlit ice sculpture of Chris Matthews that is particularly egregiously bad-looking.

 8:00 p.m. -- We are back on Countdown for some Keith-ey goodness.

8:02 p.m. -- I wrest control of the clicker from the husband.

8:04 p.m. -- Keith gives us a glimpse of the early voting numbers, though they flash by so fast I don't get to see more than the fact that Obama is up in all of them.

8:06 p.m. -- Okay the "Batman" clip is eerily on point and TOTALLY funny!

8:09 p.m. -- Keith has a chalkstripe suit on that makes him look all gangsterly.  I want to put a hat on him and start calling him Sky Masterson.

8:11 p.m. -- the seatedness of the debate is being discussed.  Are sit-downs more affable....probably, which means that if McCain does try to attack it will look even worse for him.

8:15 p.m. -- Chris Kofinis is really certain attacks from McCain will backfire.  And what's this about free CELL PHONE TOWERS? 

8:17 p.m. -- although, the irony is, most communities try to keep cell phone towers out because they are eyesores...

8:19 p.m. -- maybe it's the fact that I do not keep long fingernails (when you play with solvents and files for a good bit of the day, fingernails are a necessary casualty), but I think that sponges marketed as "nail savers" are stupid.

8:21 p.m. -- Ah, the voter suppression tactics are apparently officially underway.

8:25 p.m. -- Maddow is giving her highly intelligent commentary.  Obama can't look like he is on defense.  I think she's right.

8:30 p.m. -- David Frum makes "worst persons."  The guy who invents the "Axis of Evil" gets his panties in a twist and imagines he is being called a Nazi....??????

8:33 p.m. -- wow, Rush Limbaugh has really lost it.  I mean, seriously.

8:37 p.m. -- Okay, Keith gets lost in the baseball analogy.  This is what happens when you let sportscasters do political commentary.  At least Keith has that as an excuse.  George Will, of course, has no excuse.

8:43 p.m. -- Promo for Madagascar 2: Escape to Africa. For reasons I cannot go into right now, references to duct tape always make me laugh.

8:46 p.m. -- You know, "say it to my face" is turning out to be f-ing BRILLIANT.  If he actually does, he looks small.  If he doesn't, he looks cowardly. 

8:47 p.m. -- Apparently, McCain is planning on bringing up ACORN, Bill Ayres, and the whole kit and kaboodle -- except Jeremiah Wright.

8:50 p.m. -- It's going to be hard for McCain to bring up the attacks and still look like  a decent human being.  The comeback from Obama will be one for the books.

8:54 p.m. -- They've done 50 debates over the past two years.  JEEZ!

8:55 p.m. -- Okay, the sweater on Chris Matthews is not a real good look with the purple shirt.

8:59 p.m. -- okay, switching to CNN for the line thingie.  Although Wolf Blitzer is only slightly less irritating than Chris Matthews.

9:02 p.m. -- Bob looks like a central casting newscaster.

9:02 p.m. -- McCain already has a smirk on his face, from the moment he walks out.  And that makeup job is really bad on HD, lemme tell ya.

9:04 p.m. -- tepid response from the line thingie so far for McCain's dscussion of the economy.

9:07 p.m. -- Obama's line thingies are much higher, until he agrees with McCain.

9:08 p.m. -- McCain is going on the attack by bring up "Joe the Plumber"  and talking directly to him.  It's really kind of patronizing and gimmicky.

9:10 p.m. -- Obama's response is really great. 

9:12 p.m. -- McCain tries to play the snark, laughing at his own cleverness.  He reminds me of that kid in the back of the class who tries to make fun of what the teacher is saying but comes off as a jerk.  And McCain is back on the Ireland thing again.  WTF?

9:16 p.m. -- I like that Obama is explaining this in terms of investments that will make things cheaper down the line.

9:17 p.m. -- McCain decides to pivot back to homeownership -- and the line thingie drops like a rock.

9:18 p.m. -- McCain opposes ethanol subsidies.  This is why you can't win in Iowa.  "I know how to save billions."  And he wants the line item veto.

9:20 p.m. -- McCain says "I am not President Bush" -- that was a pure bid for a soundbyte.

9:21 p.m. -- If anyone made a drinking game out of the word "angry" they are in deep shit by now.

9:23 p.m. -- The "reaching across the aisle" response was beautifully done.  Men like "hatchet" because it is an aggressive word.  Women hate it for the same reason.

9:25 p.m. -- here it comes....the attacks.

9:26 p.m. -- I still don't get the whole notion of how this could have been avoided if he'd done town hall meetings.  I mean, really, are you that thin-skinned that you have one thing refused and you lose your mind.  And now he's trying the John Lewis thing.

9:28 p.m. -- Obama is taking him to school on this.  Exactly as he should.

9:32 p.m. -- Obama's response is pitch perfect.  And he's rising above it, which is crucial.  Let McCain be the pig in the muck.

9:33 p.m. -- McCain is defending the people who come to his rallies.  And he's getting all righteously indignant. 

9:35 p.m. -- "disagree without being disagreeable."

9:36 p.m. -- McCain's numbers TANK when he turns back to Ayres and ACORN.

9:37 p.m. -- I like this part....let me tell you who I DO associate with.  That's new.  I like it.

9:40 p.m. -- Wow, that question about running mates was pretty much tailor made for Obama.

9:42 p.m. -- for those of you watching CCN on HD -- either Gergen just woke up or they fixed the rating thingie.

9:43 p.m. -- the women are NOT buying the Sarah Palin thing.  and the men of course, are being led with the small brain.

9:45 p.m. -- McCain, the three country thing in Iraq might not be as cockamamie as you think.

9:47 p.m. -- Canadian oil is fine....I am sure the Canadians are relieved to hear you think so, John.

9:50 p.m. -- Obama's getting wonky on the free trade thing.

9:51 p.m. -- if you drill right this second John, not a single drop of that oil will arrive on the market for three years.

9:53 p.m. -- McCain and his eyebrows make him come off as a jerk, as does the heavy breathing.

9:54 p.m. -- Is anyone else getting distracted by "Blinky the badly made up guy with the turkey neck?"

9:56 p.m. -- When McCain tried to bring up the "without conditions" thing, the women just dialed down and stayed there.

9:58 p.m. -- If Obama wins, it will be in no small part because of his healthcare plan.

9:59 p.m. -- You know, McCain is banking on Joe the Plumber being a McCain fan.  Which means that either Joe the Plumber was a plant at the Obama rally, or John is banking on no one being able to find Joe after the debate.

10:03 p.m. -- McCain is back to "spreading the wealth around."  I want CNN to find this Joe the Plumber.  Seriously.

10:06 p.m. -- "No litmus test"  where have we heard that before?  Can we replay that "View" episode, John?

10:09 p.m. -- I don't beleive in a litmus test, but I don't htink anyone who supports Roe could possibly be qualified.....contradiction anyone?

10:10 p.m. -- This is brilliant -- bring in equal pay for equal work.

10:12 p.m. -- women are really not digging this business.

10:13 p.m. -- McCain's facial expressions are going to get him in trouble.  It's like Al Gore in 2000.

10:15 p.m. -- McCain is just ready to pounce.  He looks a bit like a tool.

10:17 p.m. -- What makes Obama so great is that he sets up the framework for the issue as he answers the question, setting up how we should think about education, not just saying "here's my plan."

10:20 p.m. -- "Competition" is always the answer, eh? 

10:22 p.m. -- You know, I think it's a good thing that Obama is willing to say that he agrees with McCain on some things.  This is part of the reason why he is generally perceived as more positive than McCain.

10:24 p.m. -- Milking the autism thing is really not working for McCain.  And my husband is ready to kill someone right now.

10:27 p.m. -- Oh John, you're so clever, and such an asshat with that big "I'm so gonna git you"  smile.

10:29 p.m. -- McCain's summation was liked, but not loved.

10:30 p.m. -- the women LOVE Obama.  The men like him.

10:31 p.m. -- McCain looked like he'd rather be chewing glass than shaking Obama's hand.

10:32 p.m. -- My take on the whole thing is that McCain had higher highs and lower lows, but that doesn't mean that he made any progress here.

10:33 p.m. -- Bennett makes a great plumber joke.

10:35 p.m. -- Gergen's take (very important) is that McCain was too personal with the attacks, and so it all unravelled for him after that.  Obama's cool and calm was better approved.

10:36 p.m. -- Bennett likes "McCain the fighter pilot."

10:38 p.m. -- Hilary Rosen talks about how McCain "dragged himself down."

10:40 p.m. -- John King makes some good points about Independents and why they are Independents.  Toobin brings up the Supreme Court.

10:42 p.m. -- BOW TO THE COVERTROLL POWER OF THE FREAKY!!!!!

10:46 p.m. -- Soledad with the undecideds.  Most of them thought Obama won the debate.

10:49 p.m. -- Joe the Plumber seemed gimmicky to the undecideds.

10:50 p.m. -- Of Soledad's undecideds, three have fallen off the fence -- for Obama.

10:55 p.m. -- Hillary is now on CNN.  She's pointing out how "steady" Obama's leadership is.

11:00 p.m. -- Hillary makes a good point about not whittling down the majority in the Senate. 

11:01 p.m. -- Here come the poll numbers..... Obama by a landslide.  Obama's favorables go up.  McCain's favorables go down -- below 50%.  This is not good for McCain.

11:04 p.m. -- Borger talks about how McCain can't hide his disdain for Obama.  McCain is too angry, too contemptuous.

11:05 p.m. -- Dana Bash tries to make excuses for McCain.

I want to thank everyone for coming tonight.  I've had so much fun doing this, and I'll be here election night.  The problem then won't be the rhetoric, but the stress of watching and waiting for what we're all hoping for.....an OBAMA WIN!!!

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I'M HERE! I have a big bowl of Jello and a tub of CoolWhip.
Super COMFY, not Super KINKY....
hey Liz, Freaky - I'm liking the Super Comfy edition. I may make less sense than usual tonight, as I had a thingie removed from my lip earlier today and it has four stitches in it. Plus, I'm a little groggy, so hopefully grandpa won't put me to sleep.
Lisa, I heard something about a fat lip? Do tell....
Ohhhh, a lip thingie - those can be tricky. Just tell people you're all goth now.
oh, yeah, good idea freaky - disguise the scars with a lip ring. :-)

dentist called it a "fibroma," assured me it was notthing to worry about, but took it off and sent it off for that dreaded word - "biopsy"

I'm not terribly worried, because I've developed a bad habit of biting the inside of my lip. Also, had a hand thingie, called a pyrogenic granuloma or something removed when dd was a baby, from washing my hands too much
liz - totally agree on the gangsta suit thing. not sure why KO is so keen on the big pin-striped suits.

ooh, ooh, Rachel's on now! have I told you guys I LUURVVE her!
liz - took my feeble brain a minute to realize what kind of "sponges" you were talking about. took me back to that Seinfeld episode where Elaine was hoarding the Today Sponges.
Hi Liz- I haven't said it before so let me now - thanks for hosting the OS debate watching party! Not sure how you handle the watching while typing thing but you do it very well and with great humor (far more entertaining than the actual debate!)
Keith is all troll-dreamy. You just know if he'd quit using that hair gel, his stripey hair would poof up great.
Thanks Kelley. These are actually a lot of fun for me too...if a little exhausting sometimes. My first employer made me take a touch typing course....at the time I thought she was nuts and I resented it. I now believe it was one of the smartest things I ever did.
I LOVED the Batman scene... how the hell did they find that?? Great post.
Hi Liz...I'm here with Freaky's cousin Pinky.
Freaky has a cousin? Has Pinky received any free Cellphone towers?
Oh, and Roger, welcome!
I'm all about comfy. Comfy = boxers :-P CNN has the biggest gaggle of pundits I've ever seen in my life. Or is a group of pundits called a brace? Mmmm...
Touch typing! I dropped my typing course in high school (it was 1975) and my mother TOLD ME I'd regret it! Boy howdy did she ever get to be right about that one!
Octopus jello? With jalapeno? Sounds wonderful.
Hi Pinky! (she's a drug addict - so sad, she has like fifty kids)
Bart, I love you, really I do. I will do calamari. But not octopus. I know, it makes no sense. But it's all you're getting, sweetheart, so you have to learn to live with the disappointment.
This may be the evening when we finally have confirmation that McCain is really John Palpatine, the sixth Sith Lord spoken of in the prophecies with the heretofore concealed identity and second cousin of another Senator from a galaxy, far, far away--Senator Palpatine.
Umbrellakinesis, try internet radio such as on iTunes and try a station under talk radio.
I could live without octopus, but not without your posts ma cherie. Maybe next week I will try again, n'est-ce pas?
Liz, I'll post a pic of Pinky thinking about doing something nasty to the TV while Keith is on.

Freaky, she's sworn off drugs for the moment, she's got half the garage filled with Pabst Blue Ribbon though.
Probably three bean and cheese chalupas too late, I am getting super comfy here, ready.
eric - herd, swarm, drove all come to mind for your gaggle
She was a Schlitz girl when we were growing up.
I'm here! Now I have to catch up on the comments and updates. I'm so excited!
Persistence and French? What did I do to deserve such devotion, my dear? God help me if you start up with the navy again.....
why don't they get rid of the whole damn CNN-gaggle and just keep David Gergen?

having said that, John King is actually bringing up the fact that for the first time in a long time, the Democratic candidate has a whole lot more money/resources than the Republican
Barry, just make sure Pinky doesn't hurl on your carpet.....
8:55 - yeah, liz, not a good idea for Chris Matthews to be talking about cartoon characters while wearing that sweater
OK, I'm here. Just got back from the neighbors. Had some Mediterranean take-out. YUM.

Prediction: It will be BORING!

One chance of fireworks: McCain makes a desperate one-term pledge.
So we have the two anchors - who is going to do sports and weather?
Oh god, I'm already bored!
He mentions Nancy Reagan in the hospital, but not Dick Cheney...
hi there ---"Senator Obama" -- not "that one"
McCain got 2 points from Martin for "thank you... and Nancy Reagan"

WTF?!?
Did he say Freddie Mae? (Joan says he did)
I think the group term for pundits is the same as for crows - a murder of pundits.
Who's this Joe fellow? I bet this has something to do with Jello.
I can't follow what he's saying.
A "blovation" of pundits. That would be my vote.
McCain word count, so far - "angry" - 4x

yep, Kerry, he said - "Fannie & Freddie Mae...caused subprime lending crisis"
What's wrong with spreading the wealth around?
the joe the plumber gig is a little pipe-dreamy to me

what Obama wants to do to joe the plumber?
lpsrocks: Well, it's an extravagant lie. But he does manage to give it a lil southern charm that way.
Joe the Imaginary Plumber, Your New Corporate Overlord, All Hail! He Must Be Obeyed, Everyone just send your tax payments straight to Joe The Imaginary Plumber.
I have been half-listening getting situated. Just seems Obama is providing more specifics than McCain.

OK. Joe has a real last last name now other than six-pack . . . Joe W..berger?
I'm all for civility, but not the place--debate time! Obama needs to stop letting him cut him off. (And "hi all" by the way)
Is Joe the Plumber related to Joe Six-Pack? Are they one and the same?
McCain is not asking a question.

Do all plumbers drink excessive amounts of beer? Not trying to be funny here. Just might be annoying to be a plumber and characterized this way.
Five times in a minute . . . spread the weath around. One more time before I could hit the comment button. Darn.
Senator Clinton, eh? So you're saying the Democrats have had better ideas all along...
Hey all--quick question--Was the seated format designed to prevent McCain from roaming around the stage again?
Wow, men really like what he's saying about "the hatchet".
Again with spreading the wealth.
"We'll cut out all the pork." When pigs fly...
First earmarks of the night--but don't like how high the men's line was on the thingy for McCain
They both agree -
"we have presided over the largest increase in government in history"
Body language alert: watch McCain's eyes blinking furiously, especially when he's lying. Or else, like in the Manchurian Candidate or some such movie, he's sending out messages in Morse.
the line thingie indicates that undecided men in Ohio believe his bluster and bs
women...not so much
This is called a run Obama...get in there!!!!!!
Thank you Bob for saying ever so politely . . . but the question.
FOX News gets it right--for once.
Why is he not bringing up Gramm-Leach-Biley???
BenKitty thinks that he's hearing McCain sighing while Obama is speaking? Does anyone else hear that?
Wow! that was f&ing brilliant!

commendable on some issues, very sincere...
but on economics, NOT!!
Good hit by O. to use Faux news to call McC. a liar.
Okay. you know what's cracking me up? I think the two of them are poking each other with pencils underneath the tables. Or they're passing each other notes. I love that they're behind the desks.
Oh YEAH!!! Bob Schieffer is asking the big question about "palling around with terrorists."
Say it to my face!
McCain has a heavy breathing problem.
McCain is still upset about the projector.

How will McCain balance the budget? Stop it -- how will he balance the budget? Stop saying what Obama did, did not do.
here you go again, John...blame it on Obama's refusal to do town hall meetings...
now blame it on John Lewis
Cry me a fucking river John. You're so hurt. try apologizing to Obama you asshole.
John Lewis?! No, you can't touch John Lewis! He's a saint.
I saw The Manchurian Candidate late in life, wasn't very impressed by it. But I was briefly troubled by the idea that people might believe such a thing exists.
does he really think this old news is relevant?
Obama is letting him get away wth way too much.
SAY IT TO HIS FACE OBAMA! Go man
Holy cow! Did you see McC's look when O. dismissed his "hurt feelings"! Wow, think O's finally getting under his skin!
That's it Obama. you tell him. Let's talk about the issues. the negative campaign is a loser.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL? WTF?
"Obama is being mean to me, meaner than anybody else has ever been mean to anybody, ever."

John McCain is such a loser!
I'm thinking that I need to recruit Joe the Plumber.
Again, joe the plumber. And now here we go with the Lewis thing again.
Is Joe the Plumber in the audience? Let's have nice hand for Joe... Stand up Joe...

Jeez, let's stop talking about imaginary people...
If "Joe the plumber" were (note the use of the subjunctive, NYT) the drinking word, I'd be shit-faced already.
Stellaa, I've noticed that for all the debates. Men like/agree with McCain; Women for O. Go figure!
you wanna talk about John Lewis, well, fuck you, John
Obama being presidential now.
Joe the Plumber! How many of you who've read "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" are reminded right now of Dickey Flatt? The humble printer from Texas that Phil Gramm kept using as an example, but whose own policies didn't pass the "Dickey Flatt" test? :-D
OK.

Not taking public financing is a bad character trait?

Which one is the rich -- really rich -- guy here.
"Fringe people" whaoh...careful...some might say "base"
I'm a bit behind, but Obama: "we're having a vigorous debate..." WTF? This is boring!
McCain needs to stop interrupting, and Obama needs to stop letting him cut him off.

Bob Schieffer, aren't you the referee?
I have repudiated every time someone has been out of line? are you shitting me? Have you LISTENED to Sarah Palin?
And yeah, Joe the Plumber, I suspect he's like reagan's welfare queen. He doesn't exist. Except in that addled old man's brain
wow, McCain looks like a raving lunatic in his facial reactions
Oh Bob...you are playing into McCain's purposes...get back on issues.
Has nobody reminded him he was photo'ed at an ACORN function as recently as 2006?
T-Shirts?
Has anyone around here seen a derogatory t-shirt lately?

::gigglesnort!::

Sarah Palin is a STUNT.
Liz, I think I hit that inviting Tip button a coupla times (am I Tipsy?) BWAAAA... instead of the comment button. You're welcome.
What is McC crying about? Has anyone at an Obama rally screamed "kill McCain"? Oh... WOW.

ACORN is destroying the fabric of our democracy.... what's left of the fabric after 8 years of Bush?
Obama's laughing. Careful Barack. Folks don't like it when people sigh or laugh.
Then again, I'm sitting at home lauging my ass off.
Let's bring back Joe the Plumber. I need a shot.
McCain is asking like a ridiculous, angry old fart without a ounce of interest in truth.
Attacking a plan is not attacking a person.

So he is spending a lot of money. Joe the plumber and spreading the wealth in one sentence.

That is the drinking game if one watches a TIVO'd version.
I hope John Lewis, a real american hero, can come around and clear his name from these McCain distortions.
There's my drinking prompt! McCain quoted me!

"Washed up old terrorist!"
Fingerlakes if McCain keeps bringing up Joe I will run out of wine.
Nice line:

"Let me TELL you who I associate with..."
Excellent comeback.
Lugar!!!

Big big tip.
McCain's response: When I want an opinion, I ask Sarah and she tells me about what she did in Wasilla. Good. "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." You can't say "it's a fact," John and not expect that someone is going to catch you
OMG.

The unacceptable t-shirts.

L.T. I'm speechless.
OMG. The running mate questions. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think CNN is biased. On the split screens when O is speaking, McC. looks like a Madame Tussaud dummy, or Animatronic with those blinking eyelids.

And UK, watch what you say about geriatrics :-). Unless, you mean McC's drooling,slobbering, drivel. (I just drrol -- all Boxers do. But I don't drivel).

WOOF
"Why my running mate is better than yours": C'mon Obama, show a little ankle. You can clean up here!
Jodi, that would make a great rock band name: WUT
(Washed Up Terrorists")
love the final Ayers comment...
"this whole tactic says more about your campaign than it says about me."
I'm gonna puke if John says Sarah is a maverick
Yeah, Sarah's a reformer. She wants to drive witches out of government.
Here comes the reformer baloney.
Look at the male numbers go up as he's talking about Palin. Can I just be the first to say "ICK."
Palin may have given money back to taxpayers, but didn't she make rape victims pay for their rape kits? I'm appalled.

So ... is "reform" the "maverick" du jour?
OMG... just saw the Sarah Palin Hardon Meter peak!
The Man says, "They need to get some new Ohio voters. The line thingy is not doing what I want it to do."
he didn't answer the damn question
Dorinda,
If you lived closer, I'd share my booze with you.
ds just walked in - "role model????"
Hillary is a role model. Sarah Palin = not so much. unless you're an idiot.

btw - he's 9. but the men in Ohio love her.

reform. DRINK.
Palin is a "breath of fresh air"--more like an airhead? Obama does not want to diss Palin-- even mention her.
Jodi: that meter thing may be operator malfunction. Perhaps they're falling asleep?
Sarah Palin is a role model for women?

WOMEN?

You might want to check your red line there, bucko!

You ARE the old boy network!!!
"Special needs families" caused a scream so loud we woke a baby.

YOU SUCK, GRANDPA MUNSTER!
Defend your running mate.

I like this question.
how ya gonna fund autism if you have an across the board spending freeze?
united Iraq -
yeah, b/c we killed 100K or more and the rest have left
Sen Obama will tell you nuclear power needs to be safe.

Isn't that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard?
Just the speech.

OOOOO . . . I think I hear Jodie screaming about the special needs again ;0).
McCain's smirking isn't doing him any good. (Keep it up, sir.)
John McCain is going to get Sarah to click those red shoes together and say, "There's no oil like domestic oil. There's no oil like domestic oil." And POOF! Problem solved.
Interesting. Two things stand out as dippers on the ratings gizmo: self reference (as my campaign has said from the start, as I have said) and catch phrases, such as "drill our way out of the problem".
Jodie and I are both in Florida. Just kidding.
geeez umbrella, I can defend sex dolls and cunt as not necessarily sexist, but "ambiguously ovulating"????
Hey Republicans...Obama's speaking your language more than "that one", pay attention!
the guys in Ohio don't like wonky...

does anyone else think they might be flashing subliminal photos of Sarah behind him whenever McCain speaks?

Drill, Baby, Drill!!!!!!
drill now is getting a rise, but not as sharp as Obama got. Going back down again when he goes to what's wrong with Obama.
Didja get the eyebrow flip? :-D
How about your runningmate JOhn...she doesn't travel, but understands things "just fine" Grrrrr
at least when Obama gets wonky, he makes sense...
Apparently senators should spend their time traveling to other countries, rather than working on our issues in Washington, according to McCain
One of the very best things coming out of this debate is how angry McCain looks when Obama speaks. He looks constipated.
O. hit the Free Trade stuff outta the park. McC actually snorted!
line thingie likes new jobs and energy efficient vehicles
OK, can I get a sex change? Why do women get it that agreeing to sit down with an enemy is not the same as an FTA?
I don't want anyone to drill for oil off Florida. Ever. One of the few points Obama makes that I wish he would stop doing.

Florida's main income is tourism. One bad oil spill and Panama City/Pensacola have big problems. Hurricanes ALWAYS go through Pensacola. It seems to be required.
Oh. My. God.

Obama = Hoover.

Did you hear that, Dorinda?
The screaming from the north?

::GAAAHHHHH::
How many times is John McCain going to snort while Obama i speaking?
McCain seems to be a little herky-jerky in getting his sound-bites in, shoving them in whenever he has an opening
whether they make sense or not
Did anyone hear the car that has arrived for John McCain's trip to the retirement village in Florida with his old grumpy buddy Mr. Wilson?
All this snorting and huffing that McCain is doing while Obama speaks reminds me of an angry bull elephant seal. Not Joe the Plumber AGAIN?!!!
JOE'S BACK!
And has McCain ever tried to buy a health insurance policy for 5K? Are you shitting me?
Grouchym grimacy, old fart ought to be wearing a robe and slippers.
Awright, McCain = Nixon for me at this point. (Yes, Virginia, I do go that far back).

Mainly because McC. seems to have no lips!! Note this the next time on Split-screen when O. speaks. America will NOT vote for an old guy with NO LIPS.
Wow, women sure do hate Joe the Plumber!
"health care -- not health clubs, McCain. And is anyone drinking to Joe the Plumber--the new cliche.
how can Joe be McCain's friend if McCain doesn't know if he has kids or not

I'm sick of hearing about Joe John
Look at that gender split--ladies would like a little more "Joe-sephine" Oh god...Obama not you to...nooooo
The audience has gone off Joe the Plumber.
How about yours, John?

Dorinda - not to "speak for great leader", but I think that's why he says "look at". "hmmm, across from tourism... no. across from harsh desolate shore...mebbe."
do his health care proposals sound a little bit like a bunch of window - dressing? a comprehensive plan - NO!

joe, joe the plumber - the women are tired of it
my friend, DRINK!!
Obama's smiling because he's trying not to throttle his opponent.

See him speaking really, really slowly so even McCain can follow?
See McCain not paying attention? (Of course you do.)
McCain looked like he was going to sprout fangs and bay at the moon when Obama started talking to his buddy Joe Plumber.
My husband and I pay about $700 each month for our separate policies. That's with no dependents. So his $5000 isn't really going to cut it for us, especially with that part about taxing that expense.
Oh shit. Obama said "do the right thing." Isn't that code for the Spike Lee movie. Scary black people.
What the fuck is wrong with my fellow Y chromosome holders? health insurance bores them?

Interesting. Just no attacks for the nielsen voters. Even when Obama explained the %5k thing, he went down even with women.
FUCK JOE. SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAM.
Joe the plumber - Drink!

OK, Joe is real.

I saw him somewhere on TV - national news or BBC news covering OBAMA walking an Ohio neighborhood meet n greet. He wanted to buy a plumbing business wirth about 250K and he asked Obama how his tax plan would affect his business plans. The sound bite ended with Obama starting to explain.

McCain must have seen the same news lol
I have resolved that no son of mine will evvvvvvvvveeeeeeeerrrrrrr be named "Joe"
Remind me to send Joe a Christmas card with some poo smashed in it.

Let's call it what it is, Mr. Cryptkeeper:
"spread the wealth" = socialism

CALL IT SOCIALISM!

Whose plan covers cosmetic surgery?

Really?

I pay $800 a month for my health insurance through The Man's work. Help me out with how that equals $5000?
Transplants = cosmetic surgery.
My head just exploded.
McCain did mention the plumber's last name. So you can bet SOMEONE will find him.
ok, people, let's take a poll -

who has insurance that covers cosmetic surgery and hair transplants?

nobody I know.
The ape is flipping out. The health care issue drives her nuts. The old ape has had to fight to keep her coverage. Maybe someone should come in and set standards for coverage. grrrrrrrrr
I know I need to do research to understand "putting healthcare taxes online"

. . .

Joe the plumber I got one glass left.
Did he seriously just say he wanted states rights?
Seriously?

Line up, minorities! Slavery will be back soon!

::glaring at the tv::
the cherry-picking thing is actually important. There was a discussion on NPR the other day that said essentially the same thing if we start selling health insurance across state lines.
"Elections have consequences". No shit.
Justice who and Justice Roberts? Breyer? Really?
A judge's qualifications include how they interpret the Constitution, you PUTZ.
The last thing we need is another Scalitoberts.
he will find the best people in America??????

and we should believe you, John, because?!
That howl and roar was us, Dorinda.

Sorry about that.

The Roe v. Wade bullshit just tanked us.

Keep your chiclet teeth off my ovaries, you geriatric pez dispenser!
I once had someone say to me that he supported the tenth amendment and states' rights. I said to him, 'Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." He had no idea what I was talking about. I told him to go read his fucking history texts and get back to me when he could repeat more than Fixed News talking points.
wow again - Obama takes abortion head-on! No waffling and avoiding ike McCain
so, did mccain just say that anyone who believes roe v. wade was a good decision wouldn't be qualified for a supreme court position? did he really just say that?
Alright Obama...bring up Lily Ledbetter!!!!! Yes!!! Ladies, let's see that line raise!
For the first time in any of the 4 debates, Obama is sharply UP at the 1 hour mark. 9 point total swing. On Intrade
PLEASE, someone, anyone, make him stop blinking and smirking!
The wine is gone now. The last Joe and spreading the wealth killed the Chardonnay from the Vampire vineyard in California.

The merlot was beter anyway.
Pro-life?
Get a vasectomy or cut your dick off.
Yeah, skywriter.
That's what he said.
Pro-choice = unqualified.

"Proudly pro-life"?
I have a lot of profanity going right now.
I hear you Jodi. Keep howling.
Proudly pro-life: Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran
If you are against abortion, then don't have one.
seen on Facebook -

JB wants some Joe the Plumber boxer shorts - total chick magnet.
I guess he's only pro-life until AFTER they're born. Then it's OK to drop bombs on them or send them to war.
Stella... just a thumbnail and I'm willing to take my knocks for it. I think there may be a bit of "uncomfortableness" among the white men in the focus group as they watch their women react to Obama. There! I said; I meant it!
Very funny Stella, but true. What's going on with that?
Fingerlakewanderer gets my vote for best WOOF : Get a v...... dick off" -- in the current OS comment mode.

WOOF (and hey, I'm neutered)
McCain's new code word "eloquence"

It's such a baaaaaaaaaaad thing
McCain looks lechy...smiling his inappropriate smiles
My Third Post. Ever. "I Am Not Pro-Death".

Read that to understand an iota of how pissed off I am right now.
ACROSS THE BOARD FREE BIRTH CONTROL!!! If I am elected, I will promise you that's one of the first things I'll do.
Fuck math and science competence. I just want my college students to know the difference between it's and its. Please.
Slick, slick Obama... talk about sex education... and start with "sex is not texting".

Overall, following the people-meter toy for the first time throughout, Obama hits higher sustained highs and does not reach the lows McCain does.
The McCains adopted a child from Bangladesh. Why did they not adopt a child born here?
Skywriter: "did mccain just say that anyone who believes roe v. wade was a good decision wouldn't be qualified for a supreme court position? did he really just say that?"

Yes, he did. But that's not a litmus test!
We have to change the culture of America.

Start at McCain rallies.
Holy crap.
McCain just played the race card.

I am in the Twilight Zone.
OMG, the ratings people are just turned off on McCain. They just dropped to middle on him right away and are only now inching up to good territory.
choice & competition has been proven in New Orleans????
fingerlakes you are a dreamer about the it thing.

I just forbid more than three uses of it, thing, do, and the indirect you. Ever.

No more work comments . . . promise.
OMT! He did not bring up New Orleans schools! Sure the private schools are decent there, but for the kids that don't have parents that will go through that expense and trouble, the public schools are complete and total depressing pits. Trolls wouldn't do this.
"You just got back from a war. Let's put you in a classroom full of kids. You don't need any education or certification. Here you go!"
Fingerlakes: Its not in the McPalin camps interest to improve it's grammar, punctuation or Sintax.
competition - yay! then we can turn the schools scores into derivatives and credit default swaps! yay!

most money goes to the most underperforming schools.

means money goes to the schools where it is needed. oh, I hate when they talk about schools. it is all BULLSHIT!!!!
McCain's saying that it's okay to bypass teacher certification examinations. So does that mean that just anybody can be a teacher? My husband, who taught high school math in underserved areas for ten years, would certainly beg to differ.

Teachers deserve more respect than that. Obama is heading into constructive discussion, unlike his opponent.
Why is eloquence bad?
The Man said "You should not have to worry about the shop teacher having PTSD."
So, we're going to leave No Child Left Behind in place but take away the funding? That should take it from bad to worse.
"You just got back from a war. Let's put you in a classroom full of kids. You don't need any education or certification. Here you go!"

Must be McCain's plan to encourage deferred re-enlisting.
vouchers have completely revamped the DC School system?
Exploiting Sarah Palin's child--but he's not autistic, he's downs!!!!!
"Adequate funding" , but then you advocate a spending freeze?
Did Gramps forget Michelle's name or just couldn't bring himself to name "that woman"? And defending the "Every Child Left Behind Act".
His use of that baby with Down Syndrome for his own ends is absolutely disgusting.
reform it, reform it!!
Does he not know that Autism and Down's Syndrome are NOT the same thing?
McCain, when he breaks in like that, comes off as an asshole.
Woof out to Lea. Mrs. C has been screaming that every time pandering Gramps mentions it.
you know, if feel like any minute mcpain is going to pick up a sick child, stashed under his chair, and say, "obama would hurt this child! and we know, because palin has a sick child! look at it! don't look at me! think about the sick child!" i am sick, and i haven't had my dinner yet...
McCain, your sarcasm is not winsome. It's wince-some. Dip!
When did Trig become autistic instead of having Down's. Does McCain not understand the difference?
vouchers work for the kids they work for. What about all the rest?

that is the question and the central difference between the Repubs and the Dems
Did McCain just say "make health care avoidable"?
The Man: "Only half of his eyebrows are gray. That's disconcerting."
The autism angle is troubling...their healthcare policies will leave these people in the dust. Pure pandering, disgusting...now it's not hug a baby politics...it's hug a disabled baby....sickening
Lt. Dan is very, very humble.
If I still had a uterus, and my lover would agree, I would SO have Obama's baby.
Kidding.
Need another drink.
Gulp.
McCain: "It's afternoon in America. Time for dinner!"
I like Obama's closing: it's about us. It's about you.
He's a class act.
Finally, at a high level. weird. "it's not gonna be easy" - dip. Sacrifice - rise.

McCain's closing statement was better rated. first segment he ended up ahead in. Is that bad?
Everybody has shaken hands. Nice that.
Good for you, Michelle. I'd have kicked McCain in the nuts.
There may be something to the Michelle thing. They (John and Michelle) were the only tandem of the four of them that didn't shake hands.
ABC has Joe the plumber on - told ya he is real!
Stellaa, I agree totally.

And in other news... I'm so ready for a First Lady with a figure like Mrs. Obama. ^_^
Oh goodness I hope someone got a photo shot of that wacky face on McCain doing the desk dance with Bob...so going up on HuffPo.

::Make a point to acknowledge Michelle....check::
OK I will start screaming to be heard in Jacksonville.

Vouchers and charters both take money away from the overall system.
why does Bennett get to go first?
I thought this was the best moderating of all the debates.
Begala just called McCain "Grumpy McNasty".
Evidently Begala is an OS reader!
begala - split screen killed mccain - grumpy mcnasty
Thanks for the party, Liz!
On MSNBC, Pat Buchanan is speaking. I always remember what beloved Molly Ivins said after the 1980 convention: "His speech was so much better in its original German."
Character analysis of Rat McCain:

--Can't control his breathing (probably has a hard on thinking about Palin)
--Cuts Obama and moderates off
--One of the biggest liars I've ever seen and heard
--Blinks too much... shows he is lying and is insecure
--NEVER looks at camera directly and NEVER looks at Obama directly for more than a millisecond at a time
--Is completely smug with himself, much like the moron who's currently in the White House
--LIES, LIES, and LIES
--Instead of answering questions directly and explaining where he stands on issues, he immediately goes to cutting Obama down and attacking his character
--Skates around questions to avoid answering them directly or at all
--His answers consist of snide comments about Obama and feel-good stories of the past... makes me want to puke
--If he gets any more snide with his comments about Obama, I'm going to have to hunt him down
--Sarcastic mo' fo'
question for Bennett -

do we really want a 72 year old fighter pilot?
Sorry to interrupt this fabulous discussion. But you should all know that MY candidate, Freaky, is basically the ENTIRE cover of OS right now. hee hee
Go DEMOPUBLICAKES!

Love it!

Thanks for hosting, Liz. This is always a real treat.
Freaky - that is so cool!

btw - Chris Matthews ditched the sweater and has a coat & tie on.
Once again, thanks Liz!
OMG Lookit the picture is HUGE I've never seen a cover picture so big
Oh, thanks, CNN commentators: Bennett and Castellano use "professorial" as a put-down.
Thanks Liz :-) Now back to work with me. Nice to hear from all of you.
THANK YOU ALL!! THANK YOU!!
I couldn't have done it without you!!

Smooches

(Take THAT Jello!)
Thanks, Liz. Hope to celebrate with you election night....
liz, thank you. good coverage and great fun.
MSNBC independents & undecideds don't like the Ayers' thing at all. Loved it when Obama hit back on that. They want the candidates to focus on the issues.
Fingerlakes get second Woof for Molly Ivins quote.

CCC gets astute analysis vote: Note comment at precisely 9:30 ("American people don't care about us hurting, John") which got to McCain and left him sputtering afterwards. McCain better for first 30 minutes (best lyin': I'm not George Bush); O. cleaned his clock after that.

Thx for the party , Liz. Next one, election night?

WOOF
Thanks Liz! Goodnight!
ok, I'm venturing over to Fix News now...
Charles Krauthammer
if Reagan himself had been in McCain's chair, there is nothing he could have done to change the race
unless Obama makes a big mistake, which he does not do
Obama seemed amused, remarkably unruffled when McCain was talking
McCain looked stern, odd
Obama - discipline, self-containment is his gift. did you see it on Palin? he didn't even touch it.
Joe, you're hilarious (including bio). Thanks for the laugh.
Fix panel
Fred Barnes - Obama seems confident, over-confident

unidentified woman citing
CBS News Poll - 7/10 think Obama has temperament to be Pres.; only 5/10 think McCain does
McCain must be running for head of the "Sunshine Committee" because he always starts these debates with bulletins on sick Republicans. We got news for him--he's the sickest republican of them all!

Obama looked and sounded so intelligent and presidential.
I missed this but it's great to tune in now and see what everyone is saying. I'm going to miss your debate editions Liz. I'm sure you can think of something else to replace it...
I about lost my pasta supper over that clsoing schlop : "I'd be honored, and humbled." smirk smirk. I am beginning to believe that McCain is looking forward to a victim's poor me landslide loss. He and His have screwed things up so badly on all fronts he is all to happy to get sent home and relieved of duty. And I for one am very happy to send him there.
Who was McCain debating, Obama or George W. Bush? He has MAJOR Napoleonic Complex along with anger management problems. Bring in Buddy Riddell (Jack Nicholson)!
When Obama stated that all those under a quarter mil income would see a tax CUT McCain sneered 'class warfare' and Obama let that softball float right over the plate. Obama could have said that class warfare has been waged in this country ever since conservatives wholeheartedly embraced 'trickle down economics'. The result has been that the richest among us have more money than the rest of us. The rich get richer the poor get poorer and the middle class is withering away. John McCain will be more of the same with some superficial changes. The country can't afford John McCain.
Sorry, I'm a little ashamed, but I didn't even tune in here. I (blush!) was watching my favorite sons, the Phillies, win the National League Championship. It's been 15 years, and I've drooped too many years at the old Vet watching horrible games and being mocked by visiting groups. Today, I'm giddy with happiness, but still wish I could have done what the PA Governor Ed Rendell (unapologetic Philadelphia sports fan) said he would do--watch both. Thanks, Liz and all the commenteers. Love ya!
Lairderg, I absolve you. I am married to a Phillies fan. And just so you understant the magnitude of my magnanimity, you should know I am a Cubs fan.