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MARCH 3, 2011 1:00AM

Westboro Church: A Kansan Perspective

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In the last decade or so, Westboro Baptist Church has thrust itself upon the national stage, for its strategy of harassing mourners at military funerals with their homophobic, hate speech protests. Despicable, but I believe the Supreme Court decided rightly that hate speech, when not incindiary to violence, is protected. (Local areas can still place restrictions on proximity, but they can't suppress the protests, outright).

For decades BEFORE this, the Westboro Church had confined its protests to purely homophobic protests, within the confines of Kansas. I saw them when Al Franken came to speak at the Lied Center in Lawrence, KS a decade ago, at a Cajun concert by a Zydeco band called Beaujelais (?), downtown near the State Capitol almost any day of the week (then and now). Any Sunday, now, you can see Westboro protestors at Christ the King Catholic church in Topeka, drawing inferences between homosexuals and the Catholic priesthood.

Same signs, they re-use the same stock wherever they go. They appears wherever "two or more are gathered". Why don't you hear about these events? Because a decade or so ago, newscasters in Topeka and throughout Kansas decided that they aren't news. The Phelps use the clashes with counter protestors to raise the church's profile in the media. There is a public acknowledgement that the Phelps are media "famewhores".

Kansans on the street ignore them, too. They show up at public venues and park at one entrance door, and people just direct themselves to another door. Residents are wont to engage them, as the Phelps have the media on "speed dial" on their phones. Anyone looks "sideways" towards the Phelps, and they make a TV event out of it. Without a scuffle, the news media has no reason to cover them. Kansans won't give them the satisfaction.

I believe that media pickins' got so slim, in Kansas, that they started expanding outside to get some attention. They went to New Jersey to harass a male rape victim. They went to Alaska. A cousin in Anchorage, AK sent a Facebook message saying that the Phelps were coming and they were planning a counter protest, and I had to tell her "NO!!! Don't give them press! The media won't cover them walking in circles talking to themselves!"

So here is the story with the Phelps. Fred Phelps established the Westboro Baptist Church 20+ (maybe even 30 yrs ago). He is unaffiliated with the American Baptist Convention, or the Southern Baptist Convention. Westboro was thrown out of one of the conventions, and he was stripped of the title "Reverend". He established his own Baptist association (the A.B.A), with his ONE church as its entire membership, and invested HIMSELF with the title Reverend. It's as if  he said "I'm Catholic" and you said "Roman, Latin Rite, Maronite or Orthodox?" and he said "Fred. Fred's Catholic Church". It's a B.S. title, unfortunately making a false connection to the 99.9% of "True" Baptists. (Kansans just know him as "Fred" as in the local "Drop Dead, Fred" bumperstickers.) "

He has 13 children, all but a few are members of his church. Eleven, or so, went to law school, but were disbarred in Kansas. In the lifespan of the church, the membership has grown by his children marrying and bearing him grandchildren (tragically). 95% of members are consanguinous members and their spouses / parents, and the membership MIGHT be 80 (?). He says 100, but, I think he conflates. He might add a member, outside of the family, every 2-3 years.

There is no great homophobic movement afoot being led by the Westboro Church. No "Beer Hall Putsch". No fear of  a groundswell of support bubbling up. As an organizer of a popular movement he is an abject failure. A local embarrassment.

On the contrary, Phelps has done A LOT to further progressive legislation, inadvertantly, within the state of Kansas. State and Local politicians fear being affiliated with Phelps. It is a brutal election strategy to affiliate your opponent with Phelps. Having Phelps support your position is political suicide.

He and his family are local, crackpot, nuisances that have taken their sideshow national.

I would say to the National audience, and to the counter protestors planning to meet them with signs if they come to your town;

 "STOP! You are only feeding the beast! It's what the Phelps' WANT! You going "off the beam" gives the media an entre' to put their nonsense on "Nightline". After the media interview you, they interview the Phelps! YOU ARE GIVING THEM A SOAPBOX! They are on the news because of YOU! The Phelps have been local nobodys, undetected for decades in Kansas because the press there doesn't give them a forum. They have a National media profile because of YOU! The parades of  veterans, and biker escorts, etc. GUARANTEE that the Phelps will get valuable free airtime. YOU ARE PUTTING THEM ON TV! STOP!"

(I still can't believe they made it to the Supreme Court, and all the press they got for it. Ugh. Makes me sick.)

If they appear at the funeral of a loved one, I'm sorry. But don't engage, or counter protest. Don't earn for this group a public spectacle with YOUR loved one at the center. 44 states guarantee a respectable buffer zone between you and them. Let them mill in circles, babbling to themselves, ignored. Any engagement, and they will "speed dial" the media and get their message on the news. The best revenge is that they go unheard and unnoticed.

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You have to remember that it's all part of the game. By keeping Phelps in the spotlight groups do bring shame to other homophobic and extreme right groups. People tend to be lazy and not really care until they are really stirred up, and Westboro fill the need. With the Supreme Court decision expect to see even more.
Thanks for your insight in this, I did a bit of a rant today that included this Supreme court ruling, here is what I said to one of the commenters: "I was really seeing the rule as hate speech or more dangerous than free speech. I find it hard to believe that it is protected. You know I was thinking, if someone, like a group of adults, went to a pre-school and ranted condemning and accusatory remarks, hate speech at the children on the playground, would that be freedom of speech? What if they said G-d told them it was so? Is that religious freedom? What if the children were frightened? What if they said the very same things in their angry voices to the children? Is that really freedom of speech?"

Do we just ignore?
Absolutely agree Westboro Church isn't news and the media shouldn't cover him. A particular problem is Phelps tends to make groups like Focus on the Family look "moderate" in their views by comparison.
It's clear that their protesting at military funerals was a choice calculated for maximum outrage and public attention.
Awesome piece. Welcome to OS. As a fellow Kansan (formerly of Lawrence) I too have been painfully aware of Phelps and family... for evah! Great point you make about ignoring them. Hope some planning to counter protest read this...
I vehemently disagree with the Supremes that hate speech should be protected.

You know, its interesting about the WBC founders, Phelps.
According to a Michigan State University experimental study, homophobic men were more likely than non-homophobes to have erections while viewing gay porn. However, they were also more likely to COMPLETELY DENY that they had become aroused from viewing this material.

I suspect that what offends the Mr. Phelps so much, is in fact, his own homosexual impulses when he is exposed to gay people.
This is why we often find out that homophobes are, in fact, closet gays. How Ironic.

I agree with you -- don't feed the media whores!
They support their sordid little enterprise by provoking a reaction from people, and then suing them. Not only do they adore the media attention, they are deliberately angling for someone to take a swing at them, or violate their rights in some manner. Ignoring them works - so does laughing at them the way that attendees at (IIRC) Comicon did most recently.
I have to agree with the court decision. Today, what I say is hate speech. Tomorrow, it may be what you are saying.

As for the "church". You are right. Talk about a bunch of nutjobs. I only know of one person, who blogs here, who is more hateful, and looking for attention than these jerks.
I admire you Kansans for having figured this out.
Thanks for the background on this idiot; as I suspected, there's not a lot of substance behind his bluster.
If ever there was an argument for involuntary sterilization, Fred Phelps is it.
I think you're right on the money.
Bingo, that's me catnliar.

How's those "rules" working out for you?


-R-
Jehovah's Witnesses pursued court decisions to get in your face at the door steps,these same actions uphold rights of infamous hate church.
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Danny Haszard http://www.dannyhaszard.com
my page more on Jehovah's Witnesses harassment
Thank you for this. *R
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire

Fred Phelps and family are a collection of delusional malcontents and self-righteous zealots. Their message of "love" -- trying to save us from God's wrath -- is colored by hate. We all get that.

But even though his church's message turns our stomach and flies in the face of everything we know to be good and decent and Christ-like, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY IT. They have the same rights that the KKK have, that neo-Nazis have, that the Black Panthers have, that Earth First has, that Greenpeace has, that you have, and that I have. Our Constitution protects them the same way it protects the Tea Party, labor unions, and every other institution or body that lawfully engages in public discourse.

That's the facts of the case. It doesn't make the Westboro Baptist Church right for what they do, just within their rights.

Now, just because I'll defend to the death Fred Phelps' right to speak his stupid mind, it doesn't mean I won't take him with me when I go.
This is the same area that Rachel Maddow has been reporting on for terrorizing the abortion clinics and even killing them. I suspect that there is an enormous amount of cult activity their which starts by the way they educate their children. As far as I can tell the way this is done is that they literally beat their foolish beliefs into the heads of little kids. I haven’t checked these specifically but I have looked at others and the pattern is consistent. Presumably if you cut the child abuse in the short term you will cut the cult activity in the long term.