Lonnie Lazar

Lonnie Lazar
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SEPTEMBER 9, 2008 10:10AM

The Emperor Has No Clothes

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I was just going to let it go. I mean, sometimes, most times, it's just easier to step over the turd in the sidewalk. You don't ever want to try and kick it to the curb, and god forbid you should get out a plastic bag and pick up someone else's dogshit.

But I just couldn't, not this time. There in bold text on the Open Salon cover, highlighted as a sponsored call from an organization called Strong American Schools was the headline, "What can parents do to impact change in improving our schools?" And I thought to myself, "things are bad."

A quick check of the responses to this sponsored call reveals a number of thoughtful, well-written suggestions indicating people in the OS universe are concerned about education and have solid, common sense and even innovative ideas for helping children get the most out of the advantages of a good education. I was not surprised to see that.

And maybe I'll be shouted down, booed and hissed, reviled as a pedant, shunned as a nit-picker. But that question is wrong on so many levels I simply cannot excuse the fact that its meaning is transparent and easily understood without failing to point out that any English teacher I had past the 5th grade would have been all over it with a red pencil like a bad rash.

It turns out I am aligned with 84% of the Usage Panel of the American Heritage Book of English Usage who cringe at the use of "impact" as a verb. I'm sure it has to do with the fact that, as the citation notes, "the use of impact as a verb has become so common in corporations and institutions that younger speakers have begun to regard it as standard."

How can we "impact change" - the phrase reeks of the very corporatism and institutionalism that I believe lies at the root of every social, economic and environmental challenge facing the human race today.

If we wish to improve our schools we should teach our children, first and foremost, how to see and think and speak clearly about things. We should teach them how to ask the right questions and to ask them plainly and simply and clearly.

In the present example, why not ask, "What can parents do to improve our schools?"

 

 

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Sorry Lonnie, "impact" as a verb is here to stay. Language changes and there's no stopping it. But maybe it isn't too late to stop "brand," as in "McCain is destroying the Republican brand." What happened to the word "reputation"? Why does everything have to be reduced to advertising and marketing?
I am sorry to see lovers of language such as my friends The Biblios Files capitulate so willingly to the impact (as it were) of corporate-speak on our culture. But then, when advertising and marketing are the culture's very foundation, its raison d'etre, how does one stand against the tide of meaningless blather?

If we must accept impact's usage as a verb, may we not still quibble with the compound phrase "impact change"? Would not "effect change" be a more proper and felicitous expression?

Rage against the dying of the light, I say!
Rail on, my friend. I don't *approve* of using 'impact' as a verb, but it is so widespread as to be a part of standard English now. "Effect change" does sounds much more harmonious than "impact change." All we can do is set a good example (as indeed you do), but fighting the tide of language change will only give you a headache.
I'm with Lonnie. I will not accept the inevitability of corporate-speak infecting our language. I fight this battle all the time, and while I frequently lose, I have also, on occasion, strengthened the resolve of other aghast language lovers who were on the verge of giving up.

It is not just the verbification of nouns--a heinous crime to be sure--but the adoption of the corporate manner of speaking that we need to resist. Hence, "impact change" rather than only "change." Because by adding the two words together, one can sound more high falutin than one sounds using only the single (sufficient!) word.

I briefly taught sociology at a college in New York State. Some of the written assignments turned in were marvelous examples of attempted obfuscation through excessive wordiness. They were simpler versions of graduate school lit crit papers, the post-modernism that allowed Sokal to play his famous hoax. (Worth looking up if you are not familiar with it.) These students had learned the rhythm of academic language, and had amassed a collection of polysyllabic, lesser-used words. They created sentences that had the proper form but were wholly devoid of meaning. The nouns were where nouns should be, the adverbs modified verbs (even if those verbs were formerly known as "nouns"), but if you tried to extract meaning from their writing, you were doomed to failure, for no meaning was there to be found.

Using language in this manner always seems to me to have the intention of intimidating people who might question your assertions if you stated them clearly. In so doing, they would presumably discover they you had no idea what you were talking about. Or you had merely a simple kernel of an idea that you could not or would not take the time and effort to flesh out.

Sorry to post a comment as long as your post, Comrade Lonnie, but you have hit a nerve. To the barricades, I say!
Oh, Honey Child, I am one with you on this issue. Impact is a verb; I will not fall to the hammer of corporate-ese.

Worse yet are the abysmal grammatical and spelling errors in letters, assignments, and other paperwork and correspondence received almost daily from my children's school. It's difficult to respect the teachers and administrators when they haven't picked up a copy of Strunk & White in years, if ever.
Susan, I fully expect the barricades to be inordinately fortified by persons of southern extraction and genteel sensibilities. Anyone who ever succumbed to the seductive spell of true American linguists such as Samuel Clemens or Tennessee Williams will understand the threat inherent in language that bullies and obfuscates.
And who among us has more genteel sensibilities than darlin' Pretend Farmer? Don't f*ck with her, though, she'll knock yer block off. And that's no contradiction in terms at all.
I loved what Sokal did, and I was even thinking of him when I was writing a previous comment. Lanaguage is a tool -- it can be used to clarify or to obfuscate. However, verbing happens, and it is not a new phenomenon.

And Farmer's reference to Strunk & White is very timely, there is a bit of a brouhaha over it that I will now have to blog about. I'm off!
"Impact change" always sounded displeasing to me...as though one wanted to headbutt change.
"... headbutt change." Hee hee, I like that!

And I can't wait to see what's up with Strunk & White. Hurry up and write, Biblios.

Funny aside about S&W. I heard something on NPR, I think, about some literary/grammar fellow who have an interview on the radio. After they had calls and emails from all sorts of people who were shocked and puzzled as to why he had answered one of the questions with "I'm a drunken white guy..."
Oh, and what Lonnie mentions about the Southern literary predilection can be summed up as, "We like to talk. A lot." Some folks just put it down on paper for a wider audience. But oh, if y'all could hear some of my friends and neighbors telling their stories. I should try to transcribe some of them one day.
Soth'ners set around an jaw.

I have often considered writing a whole book in the written phonetic vernacular of my region.

They sent linguists here to record the downeasters because nobody could understand the older ones and the inbred language was disappearing as the new generation got mainstreamed.

There is a book about it called "Hoi Toide on the Oiter Banks"

They say things like "I was to the grocery but I had to get my boat out of the water pre the stprm."

I had no idea what half of them were saying the first ten years I lived here. I understand them now. It is frightening.

here it is
Lonnie, you are my Hero of the Day.
Priddy, I spent a few summers lollygaggin' on the beach at Nags Head in the mid-80s, when I dated a girl whose family was from DC and used to rent a big ol' house on the beach side of NC12 just a little south of Kill Devil Hills. Man, those were fun times. Some of the most fun I had was when we'd go visitin' to some of the locals for cocktail hour. I never did drink so many gin 'n tonics in my life. But I made a habit of studyin' the local vernacular and I'll be damned if those folks didn't sometimes sound like they'd just got off the boat from England. I love the way they raound ehvry dahng vaouwull, it's just soahch an ehhlegant whaay uv speeaakin'.

Leigh Bailey, it is so nice to be a hero to someone besides my son; the pressure was starting to get to me. Thanks, my new friend.
Hopefully, a committee comprised of concerned citizenry shall undertake to rationally codify a complete set of rules which our easily lead children may conform to. But presently I'm not convinced this will have the desired affect. Basically, I'm of two minds. One, if we strategize too insure everyone gets literally the best education possible by supporting enrichment in our poorest schools, I can't help but think that at the end of the day this hot button issue won't simply be another stirling example of the blame game in the culture wars. Plus, we'll be impacting change by sending a message and striking a blow.
Lonnie, I loved your lollygaggin' story (and your post too). I think some of these should be in youtube or at least audio form, for full surround sound appreciation.

And I think you need to write a post dedicated to the southern idiosyncrasy "fixing to" or as it is heard in Memphis, "fittina".
It bugged me too. I'm so glad you called a smackdown.

"impact change in improving"

What does that MEAN? Notice how each misuse causes another, so that there is a veritable cascade of nonsense. Why does change have to be impacted? Isn't change by definition an impact? Andy why "in improving"?

I keep staring at it, and it doesn't get any clearer.


Biblio - McCain IS a brand. So is Republicanism. They replaced values with advertising and truth with hype. The marketing-ese is accurate terminology.

My favorite corporate speak of the election: When Palin said that McCain is a maverick who builds consensus.
Thanks for the informative post. You know, at my son's school, they don't call a three point essay a three point essay anymore, they call it a bing-bang-bongo. Worse than that, the teachers are only allowed to correct two mistakes per paper and it has to be done via Post-It note, because red ink may upset the children. Honest. My husband and I are visiting a private school next weekend. We have to get our child out of this system that is set up to teach to the tests. Grammar is not considered important enough to teach in public school. The teachers said they hoped that students would learn grammar on the side.

Thanks for being watchful.
Ugh.

Here in Jacksonville, Florida, we get the school district newsletter bundled with ads for water softeners and tutoring corporations. Something is *decidedly* broken.

This year, my son's teacher told us "not to worry" about spelling as it relates to our child's writing. "It is better to use an incorrectly spelled word than not use it at all."

How about the kid getting off their butt and using a f'ing dictionary?

Don't get me started on "integrated math" which invites my son to "explore numbers rather than deal in concrete substantive paradigms."

You'll have to excuse me, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Sandra, you make a good point about McCain being a brand. He's just a product on the market.

Scruffus, kids DO learn grammar without being taught. Read just about anything by Steven Pinker or David Crystal to see how. They do need to be taught to spell and do math and use dictionaries and reference books, however.
Poor language is everywhere and it's not hard to look like a mincing whiner when one takes issue or starts pounding the table for standards. I am all for creative expression, but, well, I think an example from being a musician might be instructive:

If you're seeking to make your own "interpretation" of a standard, be it rock or pop or jazz or classical, it always helps to learn to play a composition the "right" way before you start breaking the rules.
The problem with letting children learn "grammar on the side" is that they don't learn very much about grammar that way. Then they get to college and are bewildered when some writing teacher marks up their paper identifying errors (and lowering their grade). I can't tell you how many times I've heard a student say--either in anger or despair, "But I was never taught those things."

Same with spelling and the over reliance on spell check.
My 14 year old step-daughter spends at least 6 hours a day texting back and forth between her friends. She "hates" to read. I shudder when I think of what her spelling abilities must be. She probably thinks read is spelled: rd
u r so rite! kids 2 day, i tell ya...
OMG, How the hell did I miss that one? Impact change in improving our schools? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

Even if we accept "impact" as a verb, surely its meaning, "to have an effect," does not work with "change"! We need change to begin with before we can impact it!

And I don't even know where to go with the "improving" part.

Thanks, Lonnie.