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SEPTEMBER 26, 2009 11:35AM

Iran's Big Secret

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Iranian Prime Minster Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN.   Photo: The Telegraph.co.uk

You might think that members of the G20 have enough on their plates with global economic crash.  However, on the first day of the G20 summit, leaders found something else to talk about ... Iran.

US, France, and the UK have all accused Iran of building a "secret" nuclear plant that they claim is for weapons use.  All three concede that the type of reactor under construction is a perfectly acceptable power generation reactor.  The concern is that it can ALSO be used to create weapons-grade plutonium.

Iran has countered that nothing about the project was secret.  They claim to have filed all the necessary paperwork for the reactor, and they further contend that internal energy and defence policy is strictly an Iranian affair, and it's hard to argue with that logic.  If any other country tried to dictate energy or defence policy to the US, UK, or France, especially on threat of military action, we would be incensed at the imposition on our sovereignty.

And yet, that is exactly what those three countries, and the rest of the G20, are doing to Iran in this incident ... dictating internal Iranian policy to the government in Tehran.  Iranian Prime Minister Ahmadinejad was on Larry King Live to talk about the plant.  "What business is it of yours?" he asked in response to a question by King about the intended use of the plant.

What business is it of ours?  There's no doubt that we disagree with Iranian politics, and there's no doubt that we have the right to voice our opposition to those policies.  I am not questioning those rights, but at the end of the day, these questions are internal questions of Iranian policy and we have no right to threaten to bomb them if they refuse to follow our dictates.  If anyone else tried that with us, we would rightly reject it as an inappropriate attempt to meddle in our country's sovereignty.  It is exactly the same thing when we do it to others, as it is when they do it to us.

But even assuming we had the right to dictate policy to another government, are we dictating the right one?  There is no doubt that the regime in Iran is potentially dangerous from a western perspective, but let's remember they live in a dangerous neighbourhood as well.  Iranians claim that they need nuclear weapons as a means of defence against aggressive neighbours, and in the wake of repeated Israeli threats to bomb Tehran, it's hard to argue that they don't have aggressive neighbours.

Given that Israel is also a nuclear power (undeclared, perhaps, but no intelligence agency in the world doubts they have a substantial number of high-yield warheads), doesn't Iran have a legitimate argument to make that they need the deterrence of a nuclear arsenal to counter the Israeli nuclear threat in their neighbourhood?  The US has built its HUGE arsenal on exactly that justification ... that the aggressive nature of the Soviet Union, and the fact that they had nuclear weapons meant the US had to have its own arsenal as a deterrent.  If that argument was valid for the US, why is it not valid for Iran?

Finally, lets talk a bit about aggression and danger.  There is little doubt that the rhetoric coming from the Iranian leadership in recent years is pretty disturbing to western ears, but lets move beyond rhetoric for a moment.  What was the last country that Iran (or the Persian state under any name) invaded?  When was the last time Iran attacked another country directly (remember, Saddam attacked Iran to start the Iran-Iraq war, not the other way around).  In fact, when was the last time Iran even threatened any specific military action against any other nation?

The answer is, never in modern times.  Iran has not invaded any other country, nor have they attacked any other country, or even specifically threatened any other country in modern history.  They DO talk about "wiping Israel off the map" but they've NEVER explicitly threatened to send bombs raining down on Tel Aviv.  Contrast that with Israel, which currently builds settlements on occupied land, attacked it's neighbour Lebanon with rocket attacks very recently, and which routinely threatens to bomb any Arab capital that happens to scare it that particular day.

Honestly, which country is the most aggressive, and most dangerous in the region?  The country that uses rhetoric to insult and debase others, but hasn't actually attacked or invaded anyone in modern history, or the country that has been in a continual state of war with it's neighbours for the past 50+ years, is currently occupying land taken by military force, and which directly threatens its neighbours with specific attack on a regular basis?

The answer seems clear to me.  Iran is a paper tiger ... they talk tough, but, in fact, have a very strong record when it comes to militarily minding their own business (sure, they ship arms and aid to others around the world ... so does the US and Israel, in much larger qantities).  Israel, on the other hand, actually has a track record of attacks and invasions of it's neighbours, and following through on it's threats.  It's pretty clear, IMO, which of those is actually the biggest threat in the region. 

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No, we mustn't let Iran get away with building facilities of this kind. I mean, WE would never even THINK of building nuclear weapons and intervening in other countries, would we?
For the mostt part II agree with your post, however you put quotations around: "wiping Israel off the map" Whose quotations marks are they? The truth of THAT speech:

THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

It is america's inability to grasp that there are languages other than English and they should be examined before instant analysis given to them.

For anyone interested, here's the rest of the article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527


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Alan: Agreed

Mark: Thanks for the clarification. I put that phrase in quotes specifically because it isn't what it sounds like. You do an excellent job of parsing the Farsi but it goes deeper than that. As you state, he never mentions Israel per-se, or even Jews in that part of the world. He has a specific problem with the ZIONIST regime in Tel Aviv that has a philosophy of aggression in the area. What he rails against isn't Jews, or even Israel ... it's the particular flavour of Jewish/Israeli politics that holds that Jews have a God-given right to live in the Holy land and treat anyone else who disagrees however they wish. That's why I put that phrase in quotes ... it was taken from the "English translation" and it's in quotes because it is clearly factually incorrect in a number of key ways, as you help point out.

Thanks for the comment.
Thank You for Your comments and the post, Lyle, and please excuse my typos.

I have become, quite, a chronicle insomniac in this, the most schizophrenic country (Okinawa, even more so, than the rest of the nation) of the 9 I've lived in.

Additionally, I might add that this massively conformist country is NO place for one of a rebellious nature, which I am, as my blog site, clearly, indicates.

My comment was posted at 4:25, as I quickly skimmed the net for snippets of interest.

I was born in a strict orthodox jewish household, and share the views about the current and decades old actions of the israelis.

Anyway, back on topic, for anyone who hasn't clicked the link, the words spoken were not even Ahmadinejad's, but a quotation of Ayatollah Khomeini's words spoken years before.

I think there is a lesson to be learned here. The disastrous rush to war with Iraq occurred a time when america had 6 or less Arabic speaking members within the ranks.

We are an arrogant nation, insisting that all in our country speak English, as well as those of other countries.

Going to war in foreign lands with a limited capability to speak the native language is a sure fire recipe for disaster, as we have seen.

Do we learn from our mistakes?

No, we do the same things repeatedly.

Albert Einstein has defined insanity, as repeating actions expecting different results.

Does that sound like america?