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Lyle Bateman

Lyle Bateman
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I am a stand-up comic, writer, and geek, with simultaneous existence in the Real World (tm) and Second Life

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APRIL 3, 2010 11:36AM

Porn Vs Romance

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Tracy Clark-Flory has a fascinating discussion at Broadsheet on the MotherSite today on the familiar there of the "destructiveness of pornography" in today's world.  Clark-Flory discusses an article by "Anonymous" in the National Review Online which blames the failure of her marriage on her husband's porn obsession, and the response by psychologist Helen Smith at PajamasMedia.

The article by anonymous is largely a retread of a refrain thats been around for decades, perhaps even centuries ... that "deviant sex" and pornography are an "addictive drug" that fuels unrealistic perceptions in men about relationships and the women they have them with.  There are scientific studies that seem to support this position in limited ways, and Anonymous cites some of those in her discussions to bolster her position.

Smith's response was fascinating in tackling the issue from an angle I've been thinking about for many years, but which I haven't seen fully discussed in any of the science or journalism surrounding this issue ... the differences and similarities between porn for men, and "romance novels" for women.  Smith ends her response to Anonymous with the question "does porn distort men’s attitudes as much as romance novels and Lifetime TV distort women’s?"

Smith is onto something vital here.  I've not seen any science that looks at the effects of romance novels on the relationship expectations of women ... certainly nothing to the degree that porn has been studied for its effects.  It goes deeper than just the dozens of Harlequin Romance novels on the shelf at the grocery store ... there are entire industries devoted to promoting unrealistic attitudes in women, about their bodies, their relationships, their careers, about every aspect of their lives.

The fashion industry, as has been well-documented, promotes horribly unhealthy and unrealistic body images in women today.  The relentless parade of size 0 models* across the runways of the world has a clear effect in eating disorders and low self-esteem, and promotes an unrealistic image that few women will ever live up, and none really ever should.  Tied into the fashion industry are the diet industry and the food industry, promoting a binge and purge consumer lifestyle in food, dieting and clothes.

It goes even deeper than that however.  In the past few decades, as specialty TV and the internet has evolved, design and home makeover mavens, from Martha Stewart to Rachel Ray and beyond, have started promoting a "size 0" mentality in home and lifestyle design.  Again, largely aimed at women, this trend highlights fashions and styles that are, largely, out of the reach of the average person, promoting a lifestyle to women that is wholly unrealistic for most of their viewers.

Magazines like Cosmo and Vogue and TV powerhouses like Oprah serve as sort of an over-arching influence, bringing elements from all these unrealistic views together, largely for the consumption of women.  In Cosmo, for example, we see fashion advice, diet and food advice, dating and relationship advice, and style advice, all in one handy cover.  Readers can cavort with raucous surveys on their sex lives, or the desires of their partner, then decide what they need to wear on their next date, while they make that perfect dinner for the well-coiffed metro-man in their life.  Just be SURE not to use those awful napkins from last year, or you are sure to lose him girls.

If porn serves to promote unrealistic expectations in men, I'm willing to to accept that.  As a man who has enjoyed porn for decades, and who likely has a larger collection of porn than anyone else reading this article**, there is no doubt in my mind that pornography has an impact on the male psyche, or on the psyche of anyone who watches it.  Media in general has an impact on what we do and how we think, and porn is no different.  I'm happy to accept that.  I'm also very happy to see some attention paid to the other side of the debate, because as unrealistic as the image of porn may be, can we really deny that women, generally, are subjected to unrealistic media impressions of relationships, sex, their bodies, and life in general from a dozen different industries that are far more culturally established than porn is.

Porn IS unrealistic.  It's a fantasy.  But that's all it is.  It's not mainstream, and despite being a multi-billion dollar industry, is generally relegated to the backwaters and alleys of the business world.  Cosmo, Oprah, Martha Stewart, haute couture, and  Jenny Craig are all pillars of that same business community.  Can there be any doubt that the image of life they present to women is unrealistic for much of the world?  They may be unrealistic in different ways, but as far as "unrealistic images" go, can there be much doubt that Cosmo and Hustler both do unrealistic pretty well?

 

*  seriously, size 0????  How absurd is that, really?  Is the next big runway trend going to be NEGATIVE size models?  Imaginary sizes?  "And now, fresh from Milan, wearing the latest Couture, the next thing in modelling ... Jessice, size -4i."  Most men in the world seriously want "adult-sized" women ... anatomically correct is fairly important to most of us.

**If anyone wants to dispute this, send me mail.  If you are serious, we probably have things the other one wants, lol 

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gotta go with ya on this one. the media has been bending minds on both sides for as long as it has been around. we have been schooled on how ever aspect of our lives should be run, what roles we must each take and which laundry detergent will give us brighter brights & whiter whites.

the big question becomes: now that we know,what the hell do we do? i don't think there is any stopping the porn train* OR the Barbara Cartland express at this point.

*no, i do not know where you can buy a ticket
I DO want a ticket on that train, but I'll probably be shoveling the coal. Excellent comments Lorianne* Not sure what we do next, except recognize that unrealistic expectations is part of what the media was created to present. It's not really a negative thing, on either side of the aisle, when we recognize that it's all just a "fantasy" of "perfection" that isn't really a part of the reality based community.

*I added you as a fave JUST on the strength of your bio ... LMFAO)
ha! no surprise that a dude "who likely has a larger collection of porn than anyone else reading this article" got taken in by the no panties & combat boots profile. no surprise at all. :)
I.don't.see.how.porn.is.any.more.unrealistic.than
a.James.Bond.Movie.

but.we.don't.give.our.cars.back
because.they.can't.fly.or.shoot
missiles.
Both instinctual, animal sex (as depicted in porn) and Romantic Love (as depicted in Romance novels) are historic leitmotifs that predate our era by centuries. Animal sex predates, well, being human, and romantic love is commonly interpreted as dating back to the concept of courtly love from the 11th century. Artists will note that many modern novelists, songwriters and filmmakers seem bent on finding a common ground that incorporates, transforms and contemporizes the two threads. Humor is one of many modern notions that seems to be an effective tool in that regard.
I agree totally. You forgot to mention, along with the size 0 model with perfect hair, makeup and lighting, they also get airbrushed to further perfection for magazine covers. A recent Calvin Klein ad comes to mind where they made the model look hideously thin. Oddly the runway models and perfect cover shots only seem to cause body dimorphism in women and doesn't seem to have the 'porn' effect on men. Are men swayed by the size 0 model look? My research says no. Are they swayed by the porn star look? I'm gonna say yes.
I know first hand how porn can affect some men, it can be an addictive force. It's not the fault of the porn though, no more than alcohol would be at fault for someones alcoholism. The porn just is, how we deal with it is in us.
Hi Lyle, while I agree with you in many respects, I do think porn has become mainstream - from 11-year-olds wearing t-shirts with the Playboy logo stretched across their children's bodies (they presumably have no idea what it is they're actually promoting and, if they do, that is cause for greater concern) to the fact that porn has become posh as well as mainstream. The porn granted 'literary' status, anyway. Here are my thoughts put more fluidly. http://www.open.salon.com/blog/kate_gould/2010/03/25/porn_is_poshprogress_or_just_making_the_rude_bits_less_fun
I love how they stigmatized it. As in one will vinerate or destroy the other. Of course porn is unrealistic, it conforms to beauty ideals and the most idiotic of plots (as if it's needed). The media sells it and markets it, and porn delivers on what the media falls short on. The romance is built and created in movies - without much of the passion being shown. adult porn tv