Stop Giving Sanford Credit, People
Curious - I haven't seen the press conference, so I cannot say 100% for sure that Sanford wasn't moving in his admission that he had an affair. However, I am a bit surprised to see John Cole over at Balloon Juice and Josh Marshall over at TPM suggest that we ought to give Sanford a break here.
John Cole:
John Cole:
I don’t know if Sanford is a culture warrior or not, I’m assuming you would have to be as a Republican and chair of the RGA, but for whatever reason, I have to say I like the guy more than I did yesterday, even if he is a hypocrite. He is standing up there, owning his mistake, is not being evasive, and just laying it all out for everyone, and clearly this is a tough thing for him and his family. It is remarkably refreshing.Josh Marshall:
In fact, while Sanford probably saw the end of his political career today and obviously deceived a lot of people -- and just acted profoundly irresponsibly with respect to his job as governor, let alone with respect to his wife and family, which is his own business -- I can't not give the guy some real credit. Unless there's a lot more we don't know, and it's hard to imagine what more there could be, he just came up there and leveled with his constituents. I'm not sure he had much choice. But that sounded pretty frank and total.It's not a matter of ignoring or papering anything over. But it's worth remembering whoever it was who said that none of us deserve to be known or remembered only for our worst moments.
First things first - I want to address this, because it keeps popping up: the issue is NOT that he had an affair. I don't care. No one cares (well, except his family).
Here's a little scenario for you all to think about: Let's say you walk into your kitchen, and find your kid standing there. You ask him, "Hey son, did you eat all the cookies?" He says no. You point out the evidence: there's crumbs on his face, a shattered cookie jar at his feet, and he's got chocolate stains on his hands. He suggests that his brother was the one who must have broken the jar and eaten all the cookies. You then point out that his brother is away for the week at camp, and then point out that you happen to have a Nanny-cam set up, and you can see on the video that its him pulling the jar down and going to town. He finally says, "Okay, I totally ate the cookies."
Now... do you A) say "You know what, son? I admire your honesty. That took courage" and excuse him? Or do you B) put him in time out, lecture him on why lying is BAD, and otherwise discipline him?
The real issue here is the cover up and the lying. THAT'S the cookie jar. And I'm sorry... but you don't get credit for telling the truth, when it's pretty clear that that's the only option left to you (and it also appears that if you don't tell the truth, some reporter probably WILL, since there's always a paper trail with something like this). Facing up to the inevitable and taking control of the spin machine while you still can isn't courage. It's just politics as usual.
Here's a little scenario for you all to think about: Let's say you walk into your kitchen, and find your kid standing there. You ask him, "Hey son, did you eat all the cookies?" He says no. You point out the evidence: there's crumbs on his face, a shattered cookie jar at his feet, and he's got chocolate stains on his hands. He suggests that his brother was the one who must have broken the jar and eaten all the cookies. You then point out that his brother is away for the week at camp, and then point out that you happen to have a Nanny-cam set up, and you can see on the video that its him pulling the jar down and going to town. He finally says, "Okay, I totally ate the cookies."
Now... do you A) say "You know what, son? I admire your honesty. That took courage" and excuse him? Or do you B) put him in time out, lecture him on why lying is BAD, and otherwise discipline him?
The real issue here is the cover up and the lying. THAT'S the cookie jar. And I'm sorry... but you don't get credit for telling the truth, when it's pretty clear that that's the only option left to you (and it also appears that if you don't tell the truth, some reporter probably WILL, since there's always a paper trail with something like this). Facing up to the inevitable and taking control of the spin machine while you still can isn't courage. It's just politics as usual.
Also, as the Washington Post points out - this story ain't done yet. Now we need to sort out who lied, when, if the governor directed his staff to lie for him; plus, there's the question of whether state funds were used in this trip (or any of the other trips where these liasions happened).
Update: Watching Rachel Maddow right now, and she's interviewing the reporter from The State newspaper who broke the Sanford story. The reporter pretty much confirms that they let the governor's close advisors know that they had the emails and were planning to release them. So yeah... again, Sanford had no choice but to confess and try to control the spin before The State broke the truth.


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That being said, I could not follow his rambling for the life of me. Could I get a translator please?
Should he quit? Didn't he already? He should be shown the door before little Mikey does something even stupider...
I pretty much expect most politicians to be philanderers. I also expect them to have more common sense than Sanford has shown.
*crickets*
By the way, I've been enjoying "Fringe," even if the character development is kinda weak. I think I'm just a sucker for John Nobel, honestly. (And I find something about Anna Torv fascinating--I think it's her green eyes.)
WOW a politician who lies - it's not like we haven't heard that one before.
The real story is his complete lack of judgement. What would make this man think he could just run off to a foreign country without telling anyone where he was going or even that he was going and expect no one to notice or care?
Has he lost his mind?
"Here in Las Vegas, a "right to work" state (which really means a right to get fired without cause state), a cocktail waitress..."
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We now frequently call them "beverage models" here in casino employment ads (also sometimes "beverage entertainers") -- after a sexual discrimination lawsuit some years back over their having to wear the spike heels and dental floss thong-y outfits with the pushup bra fronts.
I'm not making that up.
But as a governor, he should resign immediately. His sin was abandoning his office for seven days, without way to reach him in an emergency, to pursue his "amour fou." That dereliction of duty should forever disqualify him from public office.
As soon as his wife said she hadn't heard from him, I knew it was a wandering Dick story.
Look, marriage can't keep it in check forever...Stats show that 4 years after the last kid, the itch is on. So, why not quit the total Sleeping Beauty Prince Charming lie, except to have a good party and improve the economy...when Dick goes a-hunting? Pay your wife's 401K some agreed-upon cash, cuz she IS gonna live longer and she will need the cash to show for her broken heart...and the stretch marks from having his kids and y'all know the rest of this particular drill baby drill, right?
This guy doesn't seem too organized, though, so maybe he should NOT be in politics. His team was pretty lame and the press conference was like a locker-room after a WWF match. Who were those smirking, giggling towel-snappers in the back of the over-wrought Guv? They won't be getting a reference letter!
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I also found his incoherent confession more sympathetic than his wife's invocations of Solomon and Job as her life models.
What is remarkable is that the speaker appears utterly unaware that he is expressing amazement and surprise that a man would tell the truth about such a thing under *any* circumstances, which suggests he himself wouldn't.
I'm one of the few liberals who thought that Clinton should have been removed from office, for that very reason. As President he had no business "transferring power" to Ms. Lewinski.
Spitzer did an ILLEGAL ACT, and he did so even though he had a history of touting his accomplishments combating that very crime when he was a prosecutor. He had to resign.
Sanford's crime is more nebulous at this point. In fact, it's probably not a crime, but more a matter of fitness for duty and dereliction of duty that needs to be debated here.
And yes, I know that technically adultery is still illegal in South Carolina. And we all know that prosecuting him for that would be ridiculous.
The only thing that would redeem him in my eyes is a quick divorce giving everything to his wife, resignation from office, and chucking everything to be with the woman he really loves in Argentina.
We don't know yet, but I think you're going to find that he didn't direct his staff to lie. Or his wife. I think they took it upon themselves to lie to cover up his amour de fou behaviour.
These weren't the actions of a politician trying to cover his ass. These were the actions of a poltician knowingly committing political suicide. There's something about this speech that is not quite according to script, and seasoned reporters are sensing that.
And whether he's lying or not doesn't seem to be as important, because it's obvious he's decided to leave politics.
The emails are out now because the bigger issue - abandoning his post, the extremely erratic behavior that's apparently been going on for some time - happened to pull out the affair into the public eye.
@gahm57, last time I checked, prostitution was still illegal. Now, I have my own personal feelings on that. But Spitzer was well aware of the law, and he's well aware that saying, "Well, I don't personally think this is a big deal and it shouldn't be illegal anyway" isn't a valid excuse for committing the act.
They all then claim that God has forgiven them, and "I just need to get back to doing the job the people elected me to do". And their pencil necked citizens buy it. Right before a trip to the Creation Museum with its saddled up dinosaurs.
As one of the Network News pointed out last night: Refascists don't get tossed out or resign. They just give voters the finger and keep at it.
I could not agree more.
And Havlin: "a cocktail waitress or barback who pulled a Sanford would be canned the first day as a "no call, no show."
Awesome.
Maybe if the courageous reporter who broke this BIG news story had actually been looking for something that matttered he may have affected our lives in some positive way. As it we are all just worked up in our prurient voyeurism.
The MAIN issue is that the CEO of a state went AWOL. He was also AWOL last month when there were fires raging and he couldn't be reached for two days. There are reports of him doing this on a number of occasions. It's why he was "surprised" when he was caught THIS time... because he's done it before, and no one said anything and/or noticed and/or cared. And had he not put the spotlight on himself with the ridiculous stimulus rejection, no one would've notice this time either.
The MAIN issue, is that he's had at least two instances now where he's shown a real dereliction of duty. His abandoning his State and his obligations, admitting that he won't be reachable, and not making sure there was some formal way for those behind to handle emergency situations in his absence was indubitably gross negligence.
I don't give a flip about a politician who had an affair. However, when that politician pushed for the impeachment of Clinton due to Clinton's indescretions and ran his campaign as someone with "Christian values", I find I start to get rather peeved. That this same "Christian" governor disappeared without a trace so that his staff and his family could not find him, over Father's Day, so he could get laid - probably on the taxpayer's dime - is a bit much for me to swallow. Why then are our talking heads applauding him?
That was what appalled me about Clinton. That he did these things in the White House in the Oval Office.
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I don't have a different standard for Democrats and Republicans (I find John Edwards especially despicable) but I do think there is a distinction to be made between having sex outside marriage and having a love affair. And I also think those who were among the first to throw stones at Clinton including Sanford and Edwards should be held to a higher standard since they voted to turn personal behavior into a political issue.