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JUNE 24, 2009 3:47PM

Stop Giving Sanford Credit, People

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Stop Giving Sanford Credit, People

Curious - I haven't seen the press conference, so I cannot say 100% for sure that Sanford wasn't moving in his admission that he had an affair. However, I am a bit surprised to see John Cole over at Balloon Juice and Josh Marshall over at TPM suggest that we ought to give Sanford a break here.

John Cole:
I don’t know if Sanford is a culture warrior or not, I’m assuming you would have to be as a Republican and chair of the RGA, but for whatever reason, I have to say I like the guy more than I did yesterday, even if he is a hypocrite. He is standing up there, owning his mistake, is not being evasive, and just laying it all out for everyone, and clearly this is a tough thing for him and his family. It is remarkably refreshing.
Josh Marshall:
In fact, while Sanford probably saw the end of his political career today and obviously deceived a lot of people -- and just acted profoundly irresponsibly with respect to his job as governor, let alone with respect to his wife and family, which is his own business -- I can't not give the guy some real credit. Unless there's a lot more we don't know, and it's hard to imagine what more there could be, he just came up there and leveled with his constituents. I'm not sure he had much choice. But that sounded pretty frank and total.

It's not a matter of ignoring or papering anything over. But it's worth remembering whoever it was who said that none of us deserve to be known or remembered only for our worst moments.

First things first - I want to address this, because it keeps popping up: the issue is NOT that he had an affair. I don't care. No one cares (well, except his family).

Here's a little scenario for you all to think about: Let's say you walk into your kitchen, and find your kid standing there. You ask him, "Hey son, did you eat all the cookies?" He says no. You point out the evidence: there's crumbs on his face, a shattered cookie jar at his feet, and he's got chocolate stains on his hands. He suggests that his brother was the one who must have broken the jar and eaten all the cookies. You then point out that his brother is away for the week at camp, and then point out that you happen to have a Nanny-cam set up, and you can see on the video that its him pulling the jar down and going to town. He finally says, "Okay, I totally ate the cookies."

Now... do you A) say "You know what, son? I admire your honesty. That took courage" and excuse him? Or do you B) put him in time out, lecture him on why lying is BAD, and otherwise discipline him?

The real issue here is the cover up and the lying. THAT'S the cookie jar. And I'm sorry... but you don't get credit for telling the truth, when it's pretty clear that that's the only option left to you (and it also appears that if you don't tell the truth, some reporter probably WILL, since there's always a paper trail with something like this). Facing up to the inevitable and taking control of the spin machine while you still can isn't courage. It's just politics as usual.
 
Also, as the Washington Post points out - this story ain't done yet. Now we need to sort out who lied, when, if the governor directed his staff to lie for him; plus, there's the question of whether state funds were used in this trip (or any of the other trips where these liasions happened).
 
Update: Watching Rachel Maddow right now, and she's interviewing the reporter from The State newspaper who broke the Sanford story. The reporter pretty much confirms that they let the governor's close advisors know that they had the emails and were planning to release them. So yeah... again, Sanford had no choice but to confess and try to control the spin before The State broke the truth. 

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I care that he had the affair. Because all of these men that have their affairs do lie, lie, lie to their constituents and tax-payers and use our money for their flings and generally all the corruption that goes hand in hand with having an affair does affect me as a voting citizen.

That being said, I could not follow his rambling for the life of me. Could I get a translator please?
The problem with roasting people that stray is what happens when you do the same. While I enjoy the lecherous freaks on the 'holier than thou' bandwagon getting theirs, I wonder what purpose it serves. But stopping this, of course, would mean that they would have to drop the pretense that they are so angelic and all... As if that could happen...
In his case, there are extenuating circumstances. He not only had an affair but he also in effect 'ran away' from his adult life as governor and was unreachable.

Should he quit? Didn't he already? He should be shown the door before little Mikey does something even stupider...
See, I'm not roasting him for straying. I'm roasting him for being a liar. I'm also roasting him for the lies his staff told, because either 1) they're too incompetent to know that you can't make up shit like "Oh... he's totally hiking." or 2) he intentionally directed them to lie for him. Either way, that's what's really rotten here.
I'm not a resident of South Carolina, so unless he seeks national office, I don't have a horse in this race, but again...it ain't that he had an affair or even that he lied about having an affair, it's that he 1.) lied so badly about it and 2.) walked off the job for a week without telling people where he was going or putting other people in charge in the meantime.

I pretty much expect most politicians to be philanderers. I also expect them to have more common sense than Sanford has shown.
I used to live in South Carolina so that's part of why I care. And I once visited Idaho so maybe that's part of why I care about Larry Craig. (just kidding) But why I REALLY care is because I don't understand why other people care . People like the media certainly make people care more than they normally would, but still the hypocrisy and judgmentalism and sheer blindness practically appalls me. Some people are so focused on imposing their Family Values (tm) on everyone else, that they just don't see that if they could just STOP worrying about everyone ELSE's personal business and stick to their own, we as a country would have so much more time to take care of the economy, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, the credit crunch, housing bubble, etc. etc. After the Monica Lewinsky situation, I think Democrats feel the need to "get back" at Republicans, but I don't think it's in the sense of one-upping. It's more in the sense of "see, it's rampant, and it has nothing to do with their jobs as our elected officials, so get over it." That's how "MoveOn.org" started. But Republicans don't see it that way. Ever since then, it's been one-up-manship. I find this situation personally hilarious, but that's because it's frivolous. This should be tabloid fodder, not front page news - now that he's back. Who knows. A couple of days ago, it COULD have been true that he'd been kidnapped by aliens.
Meant to note that it's been one-up-manship on BOTH sides since then...
So the governor is caught in a web of deceit surrounding an affair. Where's the special prosecutor and the calls for impeachment now?

*crickets*
I like that he managed to fit some evangelical preaching into his confession. Try that, Catholics.
You know, I'm just glad to see you back posting, m_t. I was afraid we were going to have to wait until the next season of "Dollhouse" hit the airwaves.

By the way, I've been enjoying "Fringe," even if the character development is kinda weak. I think I'm just a sucker for John Nobel, honestly. (And I find something about Anna Torv fascinating--I think it's her green eyes.)
I think the real story lies not in what he was doing or even his lies.
WOW a politician who lies - it's not like we haven't heard that one before.
The real story is his complete lack of judgement. What would make this man think he could just run off to a foreign country without telling anyone where he was going or even that he was going and expect no one to notice or care?
Has he lost his mind?
Speaking of liars...anyone remember Bill Clinton? Just saying we must apply the same set of standards.
Here in Las Vegas, a "right to work" state (which really means a right to get fired without cause state), a cocktail waitress or barback who pulled a Sanford would be canned the first day as a "no call, no show."
He was a National Guard commander who was derelict in his duty and should not be allowed to remain in office for one second.
@havlin

"Here in Las Vegas, a "right to work" state (which really means a right to get fired without cause state), a cocktail waitress..."
____

We now frequently call them "beverage models" here in casino employment ads (also sometimes "beverage entertainers") -- after a sexual discrimination lawsuit some years back over their having to wear the spike heels and dental floss thong-y outfits with the pushup bra fronts.

I'm not making that up.
TS: Sanford voted to impeach Clinton.
My big question is why didn't he resign as Govenor? Spitzer had to.
Moses, thank you... I was just going to point that out! Go to FoxNews (oh God, did I just say that?) and read an interview of Sanford going off about his stance on affairs in public office.
I'm not sure he's a liar. He told the truth right after he returned from Argentina. Reading the email that was printed, I actually feel sorry for the schmuck. I think he actually fell in love with her. He didn't refer to her derisively as "that..that woman" as Clinton did, or act like she was something stuck to the bottom of his shoe, like Edwards did. As a human being, he has my sympathy.
But as a governor, he should resign immediately. His sin was abandoning his office for seven days, without way to reach him in an emergency, to pursue his "amour fou." That dereliction of duty should forever disqualify him from public office.
Big surprise: another power person cannot maintain..............his family values platform. And the Repubs are 2/3 of the last known Dick stories...I always say that it's the ones that shout the loudest about human characteristics needing to follow some God-rules that end up being the worst offenders (Remember the Jimmy Swaggert blubberfest?).

As soon as his wife said she hadn't heard from him, I knew it was a wandering Dick story.

Look, marriage can't keep it in check forever...Stats show that 4 years after the last kid, the itch is on. So, why not quit the total Sleeping Beauty Prince Charming lie, except to have a good party and improve the economy...when Dick goes a-hunting? Pay your wife's 401K some agreed-upon cash, cuz she IS gonna live longer and she will need the cash to show for her broken heart...and the stretch marks from having his kids and y'all know the rest of this particular drill baby drill, right?

This guy doesn't seem too organized, though, so maybe he should NOT be in politics. His team was pretty lame and the press conference was like a locker-room after a WWF match. Who were those smirking, giggling towel-snappers in the back of the over-wrought Guv? They won't be getting a reference letter!
I have been watching this story play out in the media for a few days now and knew that it would be somethng like waht was revealed. the issue for me isn't the affair either-afterall that is between him and his wife. the issue is the utter hipocrasy to all that he pontificates to believe in and the whole walking off the job bit. i mean really why are we even talking like he should still have a job? in the real world if i behaved in such a fashion i most certainly would be fired and denied unemployment benefits to boot! his admission of the affair in his press conference today was jsut steps ahead of it being esposed for him. i would bet the farm that had he not been intercepted at the airport or the emails revealed he would still be up on his "family values democrats suck" pulpit telling america how the republican party stands for true family values and the democrats are leading us down the path to socialism via single payer health care
Yeah, give me a break. At least my governor (ex-gov now) didn't disappear for five days at a time. ... Although, we would have welcomed that.
-Bloomington, Ill.
@ Bobby G; George Orwell would be spinning in his grave at yet another insult to the English language!
It sounds to me like Sanford is in love with "Maria," and given the fatal damage he has already done to his career and his marriage, I think he should consider continuing the romance rather than ending it.

I also found his incoherent confession more sympathetic than his wife's invocations of Solomon and Job as her life models.
I don't know. It's a man's world. I love men and I am sick of them at the same time. Yawn. Good post!
"I can't not give the guy some real credit. Unless there's a lot more we don't know, and it's hard to imagine what more there could be, he just came up there and leveled with his constituents. I'm not sure he had much choice. But that sounded pretty frank and total."

What is remarkable is that the speaker appears utterly unaware that he is expressing amazement and surprise that a man would tell the truth about such a thing under *any* circumstances, which suggests he himself wouldn't.
I do care about politicians having affairs because they put themselves in a position to be blackmailed.

I'm one of the few liberals who thought that Clinton should have been removed from office, for that very reason. As President he had no business "transferring power" to Ms. Lewinski.
I saw Sanford's press conference on Rachel Maddow show as well as Keith O's (forgot how his last name was spelled. Doh.) Is it a moving speech? Not really. This scene at the press conference relegated to Smoking Gun's video show where people do stupid things and have several people who are comedians, ex-sitcom stars, and of course, Tonya Harding. That would be something to hear what they would say about this hypocrite Mark Sanford.
I give his wife and family credit for staying home while he gave the press conference.
@OESheepdog - re: Sanford vs Spitzer... That's sort of apples versus oranges, in my book.

Spitzer did an ILLEGAL ACT, and he did so even though he had a history of touting his accomplishments combating that very crime when he was a prosecutor. He had to resign.

Sanford's crime is more nebulous at this point. In fact, it's probably not a crime, but more a matter of fitness for duty and dereliction of duty that needs to be debated here.

And yes, I know that technically adultery is still illegal in South Carolina. And we all know that prosecuting him for that would be ridiculous.
Spitzer was targeted by Wall Street because he went after them. Looks like he was right: AIG, Goldman-Sachs, the looting of our Treasury...Now, what were you saying about ILLEGAL? Which one of these LIES impacts YOUR life?
Self-righteousness and lying, to everyone. My apologies to SC liberals and enlightened ones, but SC is renowned for ignorance, bigotry, and self-congratulatory pseudo history of defiance.

The only thing that would redeem him in my eyes is a quick divorce giving everything to his wife, resignation from office, and chucking everything to be with the woman he really loves in Argentina.
Mad, maybe you're missing the point. There's something different about this and the reporters are feeling it. That newspaper has had the e-mails since December, but they didn't release them until now. Why? Because if you read them it's clear this wasn't your standard sleazy political affair. These were real love letters that included his anguish about the situation. The State (the newspaper) was just waiting around for the right situation, and Sanford finally gave it to them, knowingly. He knew they had the e-mails before he left. His wife knew they had the e-mails, which is why she left him two weeks ago. If he'd ended the affair, The State would have had nothing.

We don't know yet, but I think you're going to find that he didn't direct his staff to lie. Or his wife. I think they took it upon themselves to lie to cover up his amour de fou behaviour.

These weren't the actions of a politician trying to cover his ass. These were the actions of a poltician knowingly committing political suicide. There's something about this speech that is not quite according to script, and seasoned reporters are sensing that.

And whether he's lying or not doesn't seem to be as important, because it's obvious he's decided to leave politics.
@Juliet - I assume The State was just sort of doing the right thing back in December when they received the emails, since at the time, the only issue was a man cheating on his wife. I don't believe that the affair alone would have been reason enough to publicly humiliate Sanford and his family.

The emails are out now because the bigger issue - abandoning his post, the extremely erratic behavior that's apparently been going on for some time - happened to pull out the affair into the public eye.

@gahm57, last time I checked, prostitution was still illegal. Now, I have my own personal feelings on that. But Spitzer was well aware of the law, and he's well aware that saying, "Well, I don't personally think this is a big deal and it shouldn't be illegal anyway" isn't a valid excuse for committing the act.
The Dumbos are world-class hypocrites. (BTW, I didn't vote for The Slickster either time because he's a Donkey hypocrite.) Governor Sanford is a double-loser: a liar and a hypocrite. That puts him in the same ring of Hades with The Slickster. Nice reportage, Mad Typist.
Thank you for spending the time to outline this important distinction... i.e., when you HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE!
It is always the Refascists who demand the heads of anyone who is not a Refascist (aka, Democrat) who puts it where it's not supposed to be. But when one of them gets caught, it is forgiveable human weakness. Bullshit.

They all then claim that God has forgiven them, and "I just need to get back to doing the job the people elected me to do". And their pencil necked citizens buy it. Right before a trip to the Creation Museum with its saddled up dinosaurs.

As one of the Network News pointed out last night: Refascists don't get tossed out or resign. They just give voters the finger and keep at it.
"Facing up to the inevitable and taking control of the spin machine while you still can isn't courage. It's just politics as usual."

I could not agree more.

And Havlin: "a cocktail waitress or barback who pulled a Sanford would be canned the first day as a "no call, no show."

Awesome.
I thought we were suppose to be a bunch of tolerant liberals. How is it our business who this guy is doing? And, yeah maybe he did it on company time but is there any among us who haven't read our private e-mail, taken a few extra minutes at lunch or called in sick when we really weren't.
Maybe if the courageous reporter who broke this BIG news story had actually been looking for something that matttered he may have affected our lives in some positive way. As it we are all just worked up in our prurient voyeurism.
I don't really care that he had an affair - although I am *hella* glad it wasn't with me.
I agree that the affair is a side issue. I don't agree that the lying and the coverup/lying is THE issue, although it's an important issue.

The MAIN issue is that the CEO of a state went AWOL. He was also AWOL last month when there were fires raging and he couldn't be reached for two days. There are reports of him doing this on a number of occasions. It's why he was "surprised" when he was caught THIS time... because he's done it before, and no one said anything and/or noticed and/or cared. And had he not put the spotlight on himself with the ridiculous stimulus rejection, no one would've notice this time either.

The MAIN issue, is that he's had at least two instances now where he's shown a real dereliction of duty. His abandoning his State and his obligations, admitting that he won't be reachable, and not making sure there was some formal way for those behind to handle emergency situations in his absence was indubitably gross negligence.
Yes, he has been a sanctimonious prick with regard to other people's sexual escapades and also so very principled with regard to taxes and the use of the taxes to the point that unemployed in his state would go without assistance if not for his own Legislature who over ruled him. I care if he used public money for his infatuated trysts. I care that he abandoned his post and went AWOL. I care that he and his colleagues have been getting into the bedrooms of everyone else and interfering with the uteri of women when they should be managing their own penis a hell of a lot better. I care that the sanctity of his own marriage was breached and turned into a 3 ring circus by a maudlin display of narcissism by himself and not by the gay population who beg to just have a chance at a sacred marriage. His sobbing and nitty gritty details of an email romance that could destroy a 20 yr marriage with 4 sons belongs in the office of a therapist and/or a minister, not in a cable news conference. That is soooo degrading to his wife and children as well as insulting and offensive to many of us.
Thank you! I watched Nerfball with Chris Matthews while he and his (male) guests all applauded Sanford for his honesty and for his not parading his wife down his walk of shame - as if he had any say in the matter. Did it occur to them that the woman who furthered his political career might not be kept on a leash? This governor has been lying through his teeth and only admitted the affair after it was noted that the press had his e-mails and would be releasing them. Even then he tired to hide the fact that his wife had kicked him out of the house due to his infidelities. Now we're supposed to believe that he went to Argentina to cry for 5 days. Jeepers.

I don't give a flip about a politician who had an affair. However, when that politician pushed for the impeachment of Clinton due to Clinton's indescretions and ran his campaign as someone with "Christian values", I find I start to get rather peeved. That this same "Christian" governor disappeared without a trace so that his staff and his family could not find him, over Father's Day, so he could get laid - probably on the taxpayer's dime - is a bit much for me to swallow. Why then are our talking heads applauding him?
This country needs to grow up. Stop seeing everything in terms of whether Republicans or Democrats did it. I don't approve of this man's shameful behavior and negligence. I am not a Democrat though I once was. I am not cutting anyone any slack. If you must have an affair,do it on your own time, your own dime and in some other digs than the tax payer's housing or offices. In other words; Get a room.

That was what appalled me about Clinton. That he did these things in the White House in the Oval Office.

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I think there is a huge difference between a man having sex outside of marriage and falling in love with another woman. As a wife, I personally would find it far more hurtful to be dealing with what Mark Sanford has done than what Bill Clinton or Elliott Spitzer did. Even in listing the people he hurt, Sanford mentioned his lover first.
I don't have a different standard for Democrats and Republicans (I find John Edwards especially despicable) but I do think there is a distinction to be made between having sex outside marriage and having a love affair. And I also think those who were among the first to throw stones at Clinton including Sanford and Edwards should be held to a higher standard since they voted to turn personal behavior into a political issue.