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I'm a liberal secular humanist who enjoys writing, reading, playing video games and watching sports. I am a former member of the Armed Services who now enjoys the sweet sweet freedom of civilian life. My blog will be centered mostly on politics, football and video games. I'm not a professional hater, but I am a highly ranked amateur. Also, yes, I am a girl.

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APRIL 7, 2010 9:09AM

OS Needs to Address the Invasion of the Comment Spam Bots

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This is an open letter to the editors/admins of Open Salon. I also emailed a copy to Joan Walsh at her salon [dot] com address. Update: Joan replied promptly and said they're working on it.

*beep beep ribby ribby - I am here to spam your posts*

 


Joan,

I've been a member of Open Salon since the beta, and I really enjoy blogging and reading there. I've seen the various challenges the community has faced, and now I want to bring your attention to the latest thing plaguing our little community: comment spam bots.

Here's an example of a comment spam bot: http://open.salon.com/blog/kjhdfkjhskdjfs

He/she has registered an account with no intention of posting. Instead, as you look at this person's recent comments you will see that they are copy-pasting the same spam into various comments around the site.

This is rapidly becoming an epidemic. 50% of the comments on my latest post were actually spam bots. I am trying to delete them as fast as they appear, but it's hard to catch the ones that pop up in older posts. Look around the site - they appear on almost every post these days.

Here's what you need to do in order to help combat this problem:

1) Have a better system for users to flag accounts suspected as spam bots. Currently you can only flag problematic posts, not accounts. Have a dedicated admin to handle these accounts, someone who can rapidly act to ban these accounts as they appear. It is intolerable that these accounts remain active days after their obvious spam patterns emerge.

2) Consider changing the code on the site to detect people who post comments in suspicious patterns - rapidly commenting on multiple posts at a time, obvious copy-paste patterns in their recent comments. Ban users not only by username, but by IP address as well.

3) Give users better control in their "Manage Comments" area of their profile. Currently when I log on, I can only see the following headings in that area: Date, Post, Comment. I'd like an additional column for "Poster Name", so I can easily weed out the suspicious looking people (like our friend I linked to above).

3a) Also, consider allowing the user to expand the full comment. The newest tactic by the spam bots involves putting in 2-3 lines of legitimate looking commentary, followed by links to possibly malicious sites. For example, the commenter might write, "Great article! I found it very informative. Go here to buy cheap shoes ". When browsing my "Manage Comments" section, it's hard to pick out which comments are legit and which aren't, because I only see those first 6-7 words.

It is vitally important that OS addresses this issue ASAP. Part of the reason OS is such a great place to blog is because we have such a great community of members who engage in thoughtful debates in the comments sections of posts. The spam bots threaten to overwhelm that dialogue and make the site less pleasant to visit. I hope you folks are putting a plan in place to deal with this.

Thanks,
M_T

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M_T, sounds like a great group of ideas you have presented. I had to delete around 30 spam messages spread out over approximately 22 posts on the weekend which is the most I have ever seen in my own situation.
It really has gotten out of hand. I've sent messages to the editors on this subject before, but haven't gotten any meaningful response. I hope that you get a more effective response and some actual results.
Very good point! I asked the same thing on April 2nd (also an open letter to the OS editors):
Spamming OS: I don’t want to buy any Air Jordan shoes!

BTW, the spammers come from China:

Quanzhou, Fujian, China
Chinanet Fujian Province Network (220.161.102.31)
You're kidding. The drive-by ads are the most useful things in the comments threads. Plus, the bots are truly egoless commenters. They don't argue or post resentful diaries when their comments are deleted. We need more of them.
M_T, an added danger is that some of those links can lead to the latest malware. The hackers want a click on a link to infect the computer with malicious software. The spam control is a matter of security too.

Thanks for posting this article.
I guess it's nice knowing someone can get a response from the Editors...
THANK YOU!!

What I also find annoying is that these "comments" will often break up the line of responses to a particularly poetic or sad or serious post. It alters how I follow these, and is intrusive disruptive and disrespectful.
Yep, I concur. Thanks
There are spam comments and spam posts, and both are a problem. I don't want to be a broken record, but I think if Open Salon charged something for new accounts it would virtually eliminate both kinds of spam. An initial membership fee of maybe $5.00 would make spamming financially infeasible. Spamming only makes sense when the service being spammed is free. And I doubt that a small initial membership fee would be an insurmountable barrier for people who want to create legitimate accounts.
I have a sure fire technique for dealing with the spam bots.

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@Damion Chaplin - in one of her posts, Joan shared her actual salon.com email address and stated that she would try to respond to all messages sent there. You just need to dig it up.
Consider changing the code on the site to detect people who post comments in suspicious patterns - rapidly commenting on multiple posts at a time, obvious copy-paste patterns in their recent comments.

I'd also add the possibility of having OS software detect the inclusion of specific flagged sites in comments. It could simply dump such comments before they appear.

Basically OS is using a blend of top-down, administrator-driven control, and bottom-up efforts (i.e. our deletion of comments) to reduce spam. We both need better automated tools.
I'll leave the spam above this comment in, just to prove my point.

@Rob - I see your point. My suggestion that they change the code was wishful thinking at best, I know. If they just gave us better tools, such as the ability to mass delete comments and the ability to see more metadata about each comment, I'd be pretty happy.
I hope you see a result from your efforts. It's driving me absolutely crazy.
good plan, and seemingly possible, hope it will happen
Yeah, that's one thing I have never liked about Open's was the deleting of comments. I still wish there was a little delete button in the commenter's comment, visible only to the owner of the blog, then it'd be like WHOOSH. I can dream.

Great letter.
I feel your pain. I was actually going in and deleted the damn things, and it seems to have triggered a more visceral response, as all my old posts got dinged with the damn things in the past couple of days. Seems deleting the spambot comments incurred the wrath of spam.
Agree! There's nothing more annoying than scrolling through twenty of those comments while trying to get into a good discussion.