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FEBRUARY 1, 2010 5:34PM

Protestors take mass homeopathy overdose, get sugar rush

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At 10.23am on Saturday, alternative medicine and science went to war. Their weapon? A pill. For one side, the pill was a potent remedy. For the other side, the pill was just sugar wrapped in superstition. To prove it, nearly 400 sceptics gathered across the world and took a mass overdose of a homeopathic remedy prescribed for sleep.

The overdose, organised by Britain’s Merseyside Skeptics, was a protest against the sale of homeopathic pills in the pharmaceutical chain Boots. The Skeptics claim that Boots is profiting from a treatment known to be useless.

Homeopathy is a hot topic in Britain, whose National Health Service (NHS) is increasingly relying on the advice of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE). NICE, which evaluates medical treatments, controversially ruled that a liver cancer drug widely used in Europe didn’t offer enough benefits for the cost. So at the same time the NHS was denying a drug to seriously ill patients, it has been spending up to £4 million a year on homeopathy.

Homeopathy isn’t any old alternative therapy – it’s the most scientifically studied alternative medicine in history. And what those studies have discovered is that homeopathy doesn’t work – at all.

Homeopathy claims to work on the principle of ‘like cures like’. Its founder, the German doctor Samuel Hahnemann, devised homeopathy after he ate some cinchona bark, a cure for malaria. The bark gave him shakes and a fever – the symptoms of malaria itself – so he decided a tiny amount of something that mimicked the illness could cure it.

But Hahnemann went further, claiming that the more dilute the solution, the more powerful its effects. Today, homeopathic solutions contain none of the original substance – what patients are being dosed with is a simple sugar pill, or plain water. Homeopaths have come up with a range of theories on how water can acquire magical healing properties, but none stand up to scrutiny. At least the British Society of Homeopaths is honest enough to admit that “Specifically it can not yet be explained how it works”.

Homeopathy had fallen in and out of fashion in the past 200 years, until a French researcher called Jacques Benveniste published a 1988 paper in Nature. Benveniste was an immunologist, whose work on the effect of a very dilute substance on blasophils seemed to support homeopathy. Nature accepted his paper on the condition that his work be replicated – but the team Nature sent included the American magician and skeptic, James Randi.

The results couldn’t be replicated, but many scientists felt Benveniste had been badly treated. Throughout the early 1990s, a number of researchers tested homeopathy – sometimes with promising results.

By the mid 1990s however, the evidence had become overwhelming - homeopathy didn’t work. A 2005 Lancet article reviewed the medical literature and declared homeopathy’s effect was neglible.

But homeopathy didn’t go away. Today, the Brits spend £40 million a year on sugar pills, while the French and Germans between them spend ten times that amount.

Not only that, but the love of homeopathy seems to be getting stronger. When the UK papers reported the Merseyside Skeptics protest, their comments boards lit up with scorn. To take the objections one by one:

Homeopathy has effected miraculous cures.
As the saying goes, the plural of anecdote is not data. The many miraculous cures can be explained by the placebo effect.

Unfortunately, mentioning the ‘placebo effect’ seems to inflame the debate, as though being susceptible to it is the same thing as being weak minded. In fact the placebo effect is not just a powerful and near-miraculous response from the body, it’s getting stronger – so we can expect homeopathic ‘cures’ to seem even more effective in the future.

Homeopathy works on animals - who aren’t susceptible to the placebo effect.

The studies that apparently support the veterinary use of homeopathy have all been debunked. So concerned were a group of vets about the rise in homeopathy, that they set up the satirical British Veterinary Voodoo Society.

Doctors use homeopathy.

Doctors can be just as impressed by the apparently miraculous placebo effect as anyone else. They may also be knowingly using it for the placebo effect.

Opposition to homeopathy is organised by Big Pharma.

How’s this for a question – who makes all those homeopathy pills? Who has the machines for turning out millions of pills in sterile conditions? Very big businesses, that's who.

Conventional medicine has killed thousands of people. Modern drugs are often toxic, or wrongly prescribed.

True. That doesn’t mean that homeopathy works. In fact, every drug in the world could cause spontaneous combustion – and homeopathy still wouldn’t work. That argument is what's known as a non sequitur.

Herbalism, acupuncture and other alternative remedies have been proven effective.

Certainly. Herbs definitely have active ingredients. But homeopathy isn’t herbalism and it doesn’t work. See non sequitur.

Homeopathy can’t be tested by scientific methods.

Which means it’s voodoo.

But at least homeopathy doesn’t do harm.

Oh yes it does. Lots of harm. How about when homeopaths prescribe sugar pills in place of malaria immunisations? Or when a homeopath kills his own child?

Maybe scientists just aren’t advanced enough to understand it yet.

Or maybe they understand it perfectly well, and it’s bollocks.

So what happened to the hundreds of sceptics who took an overdose of homeopathic medicine? Nothing. None fell asleep and none died. Some, however, admitted to enjoying the sugar rush and at least one has twittered that she’s been fancying a sweet or two ever since.

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Wow. Just wow.

Although I was aware of the term 'Homeopathy' and a couple of the instances you mention, I didn't really know anything about it, but your article has sent me on a bit of an internet journey.

Besides the sheer rubbish of it all, just supposing it works as advertised, I don't understand how some of the higher dilutions are physically prepared. By definition, these remedies must have started with some of the original ingredient, but at dilutions of, say, 200C, they would require more atoms than are in multiple universes to dilute them. Therefore the manufacturing process could not possibly have started with any of the original substance, or alternatively, the dilution factor is incorrect. If there was no original substance, then it couldn't qualify as a homeopathic treatment.

Now I think of it, homeopathy would be an awesome prophylaxis against cholera, where to avoid getting the disease, all you have to do is drink pure water.
Thanks for this recap. I use both conventional and alternative medicine like herbs, but homeopathy has always seemed like a crock to me. I had a friend respond to my disbelief by saying it wouldn't work for me if I didn't believe in it! I bit my tongue but I really wanted to say, "Funny, antibiotics work even if you don't believe in them. In fact, they kill bacteria in a petri dish...."
@Zebidee - interesting comment about pure water and cholera. Homeopathy became popular during the cholera epidemics of the nineteenth century, because patients at homeopathic hospitals either got better, or didn't die at the same rate as patients at conventional hospitals. The conventional treatments were awful, while the homeopaths were offering pure water - and it worked. The perfect cure for cholera, but nothing to do with magic.

@Stellaa - the sad thing is that so many genuinely well meaning people are into homeopathy. If it was all crooks and frauds it would be easier to expose.

@Silkstone - you've hit the nail on the head. My belief or disbelief about electricity doesn't matter a damn. The light still comes on when I hit the switch.
Thanks for the post. I heard about the "mass suicide" on CBC radio last week. Glad to know nobody got hurt.

I knew (or thought I knew) that homeopathy used tiny amounts of actual substances to "cure" people. It seemed a similar concept (although not scientific) to the use of vaccines to stimulate the body's immune response. In fact, that's what I thought it was based on.

But from your article, it would appear that the remedies don't even use the tiny amounts anymore. That is utterly bogus.

I am reminded of Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted Mind". If you haven't read it, pick it up. Explains a LOT.
Great post. I fully support the idea of homeopathy and the vitamin industry being held to the same standards as Big Pharma.
I think it's right to distinguish homeopathy as among the more clearly-baseless alternative therapies (as opposed, say, to herbal remedies, at least some of which do have medically active ingredients in them). The trouble is getting fans of Alt Med to explain how to separate the good from the bad among the many many treatment modalities.

Earlier this year on my blog I asked -- as politely as I could -- for advice from practitioners of various alternative medicines: how should consumers separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak? The results were depressing.
Here's my blog entry, with its long and fruitless string of comments:
http://www.businessethics.ca/blog/2009/05/i-need-homeopath-or-naturopath.html
This has to the most unfounded, unsupported crap piece of a posting I've ever seen on OS. What's that line from "48 Hours"? 'Just because you say it with conviction don't mean shit to me'. You might impress the sheep with this garbage but this is far from a comprehensive or well-researched dissertation. It's just pulling shit out of your ass pretending to say something. Nice con job, tho.
Hmmm. I'm of two minds. I don't know how I feel about sugar pills (though I've been prescribed them by various alternative practitioners), but I have used Arnica gel on bruises, and it does seem to have some sort of soothing effect. I know lots of dancers who swear by it for the wear and tear of their practice. In general, I like hard-core Western medicine for infections and serious conditions, naturopathy for the rest.
Pacebos, madam, as I understand it, have no effect. Now as for Dr. Lipman's Wart Preventative, it is a wondrous potion. But I have little less than half a bottle left to me...does one know where one may procure more? (hiccup!) Pardon. (HurumphHurumph) Amen.
@Critical Path - good point about vaccines. I think the founder of homeopathy, Dr Hahnemann, was living at the time that vaccines were first discovered and may have confused the principle with what he was doing.

@Roger - thanks for the support! One of the problems in Britain, I believe, is that there are some very powerful proponents of homeopathy - like Prince Charles - whose influence legitimises this stuff.

@Chris - saw your blog and read through the posts. I suppose you're asking a tough question - 'how do I evaluate somebody?' The answer is, of course, that you can't. There are idiot doctors who do great harm who are very personable! In the case of alt medicine, the patient has to be highly informed to know what works and what doesn't... in which case they're probably not in the office of most alt practitioners anyway.

@Harry's Ghost - well, pleased to have struck a chord! I'm very happy to be told where I'm wrong, so if you want to point out specifics, please do so.

@Incandescent - Yes, some herbs work. That's another problem with homeopathy, that all this stuff gets lumped in together. St John's Wort is an efficacious herb - but it doesn't do much for its reputation to lump it in with sugar pills and 'aura cleansing' etc.

@Reluctant Muse - I admit, I had to look up Arnica gel. From what I can see, Arnica is a herb that has definite anti-inflammatory properties, so it's no wonder dancers swear by it. What's interesting is that a number of 'homeopathic' Arnica gels seem to have the actual herb in the gel. Again, it's no wonder it works, but the gel should be marketed as a herbal product, not a homeopathic one. I could also suggest that a gel that has no active ingredient could possibly be soothing, because of the way that it's massaged into the skin. But for a sprain, definitely better to get the gel that's got real Arnica in it.

@Harold - placebos are wondrously effective, often more so than pharmaceuticals. As for where you can get more... drinking Rescue Remedy is an expensive way to get fiddly amounts of alcohol. Perhaps a liquor store would more suit your needs?
Great post!

I often wonder: If kids would have enough science education to really understand the scientific method and its central role in all our medical and technological advancement do you think we’d be less gullible and actually move ahead?

Rated and appreciated.
You can believe whatever you want, but there are some things beyond our understanding. I have seen homeopathy work for me, especially once when I had bronchitis for eight months and homeopathic medicine cleared it up in one week. I had a friend with AIDS who regularly used it to clear up his AIDS-related bronchitis. My cat, who has agression issues so badly he would leave me with bloody arms, became a totally different animal after I started mixing homeopathic medicine in his food. I don't think he is having a placebo effect.

I don't think modern science understands or can explain everything. There's a reason these medicines sell so well in Europe, they work for some people. Whatever happened to freedom of choice???
Yes, yes, yes. I once tried homeopathy, offered as an alternative by a medical doctor who told me, frankly, that whatever help it offered would be due to the placebo effect. I happen to believe the placebo effect is a fine thing, and in my case, I was trying homeopathy for a minor ailment. But I would never, ever consider it for something major, because the claims for it are absurd. Rated.
Fantastic!!!

Adding this to my list of favorite science posts on OS...great coverage of a controversial but important topic in pseudoscience!

Rated.
@Dr Ayala - thanks!
@Thom - Seemingly miraculous cures are actually in line with what you'd expect from the placebo effect. As for the cat, there is always plenty of anecdotal evidence claiming that homeopathy works in animals - but whenever the claims are tested, they completely fall apart. Unfortunately, anecedotal evidence doesn't mean much, because it is affected by too many things, such as the owner's desire to see the cat getting better; a change in the way the owner handles the cat and so on. See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/apr/24/homeopathy-pets-vets-animals-placebo
All that aside, glad to hear your cat has calmed down.
@Martha - the doctor telling you s/he was giving you a placebo completely undermined the possibility of it working!
@aliquot -thanks!
I was always a skeptical about homeopathics until I tried it on my dogs. I use one that is sulfur and it heals up his skin rashes better than the ointments the Vet gives me. I know that my dog has no idea what it is but it helps him. I know people who take it and says it helps...there are childrens formulas and they work on the colic etc. How, I don't know.
I really do hate when I read an article and the author has no idea what she is talking about, but simply spouts statistics.

First of all homeopathy has been around for over 200 years and has over 2,000 symptom-specific remedies, which by the way, were responsible for curing people in the 1917/1918 "flu" epidemic (wasn't really a "flu"). The "medical establishment" back then was killing people right and left.

Also, the Royal Family in Britain has been treated with homeopathy since its inception. (Why do you think they live so long)?

If we used homeopathy for at least the smaller ailments, i.e., ear infections, cold, sinuses, etc., we would save billions of dollars a year. The fact that the "scientific" community has not been able to "prove" the effectiveness of this therapy, means nothing to me.

Let's see what have "scientists" come up with--chemotherapy to treat cancer, which totally kills your immune system, making it impossible for your body to heal itself.

Or, oh yes, let's talk about prescription drugs, which apparently the ill informed in Britain are clamoring for. Drugs which don't "cure" anything, but mask symptoms and then do damage other places.

Oh yes, and now we have the new "psychology" drugs. Great! Drugs, which in every school-shooter case, were being taken by the shooters. Marvelous advances, science!

You know what, you all can have your "scientific" studies, which prove nothing, except 10 or 20 years down the road, the drug they "proved" scientifically turns out to cause more severe damage.

Ladies on birth control? Heard of Yaz? Well, contact the lawyer who is now organizing a class-action suit against its manufacturers.

I will take homeopathy (by the way, did you know that homeopathy was how the FDA began--of course not--why would you)? I will also continue with my herbs, supplements and other "natural" remedies and continue to use them as I have most of my life (60 years old)--and I will, thank you very much, not take the so-highly skilled "scientists" view.
@Beth - well, I have probably said enough about pets and homeopathy. The only thing left to say is that I'm glad your dog is better!
@sandra - Thanks for taking the time to comment. I think we will have to agree to disagree, except I do want to make a couple of points. Firstly, something existing for a long time doesn't mean it's worthwhile. There are lots of beliefs that are much older than homeopathy that we could probably do without. Secondly, the Royal Family are doubtedly very nice people, but that doesn't make them experts on medicine or the body. Thirdly, science and medicine have created and used drugs that are ineffective, dangerous, harmful and so on. I think anyone who argued otherwise would either be naive or dishonest. But problems with one treatment do not mean that another treatment works. Like I said in my post, ALL drugs could be toxic,and homeopathy still doesn't work. The two things are unrelated.
By the way, for anybody who thinks that science and medicine are worthless - we can all sit here and argue about this because none of us have to worry about cholera, typhoid, smallpox, scarlet fever and unrelenting pain from rotted teeth and injuries that weren't properly treated. And for everyone that argues that homeopathy works - what do you say about the homeopath who recently killed his daughter? (See link above.) That maybe when the illness became 'real' rather than a minor ailment, that he should have gone off and had proper medical treatment? Answer that.
Sandra -
I'm a believer in the many uses of naturopathy. (Though I remain undecided on homeopathy - I've never tried it and therefore have no grounds for an opinion.)
But your argument is flawed.
Cancer - This is a condition where your body and its ability to repair is the whole problem. Tumors are uncontrolled cell growth in harmful places.
"Drugs that don't cure anything but mask symptoms" - So you're saying that drugs don't cure TB or parasites or yeast infections? This is a vast and incorrect generalization.
Mental Health - Maybe the "school shooters" you mentioned were mentally ill which was why they were taking psychiatric meds? Wouldn't it make more sense that the mental illness caused the violence instead of the medicine?
And as for side effects - How many people were harmed by the herbal extract Ephedra? Just because something is natural doesn't make it safe. Aresnic, tornadoes, uranium, and Rabies are all found it nature too.
Unfortunately, "Sandra," putting "words" in scare-quotes doesn't make them any less "real," but I do wish you could apply some of your healthy skepticism to homeopathy, a "science" (and the quotes really do apply here) that is simply and demonstrably bogus. I do understand the motivation to believe in so-called soft medicine, and to challenge the orthodoxy when it comes to medical matters. Those of us with chronic diseases have all at various times been frustrated with the limited range of treatment options, and it is gratifying to think that the Establishment is against us all, when one feels defeated and that there is no cure in the world.

Well, it is a juvenile impulse that inspires people with limited intelligence (hellooo, Sarah Palin!) to throw up their hands in the face of complex scientific concepts, like evolution or climate change, and label themselves as warriors for the Truth, against the terrible status quo. As far as medicine is concerned, profit-seeking bastards--the drug companies, the doctors, the scientists--are seen not as parties interested in improving human health, but in harming us while making a quick buck. There certainly is money to be made in the medical industry, and there are obscene profits in many cases, but why on earth would it be in Pfizer's interest if patients did not get better? Do doctors perversely enjoy blatant malpractice?

Weak pills indeed.
The BVVS reminded me of aone quack at the local VA clinic.
I went there due to pain in my fingers & toes.
This walks like/talks like/quacks like jerk said;
"Oh, I get that also. Ignore it. It goes away."
I now have a different doc there.
I'm sure you mean well, Madame Ruth, but I just do not accept your arguments. In America, doctors nowadays are prodded by Big Pharma to push drugs to their patients, without adequate studies and follow-ups. And many times, drugs do not cure the problem, only cover up symptoms.

My own father died 2 years ago, after taking a drug for his diabetes that later caused a heart attack. They pulled this drug off the market one month after he died. Why weren't adequate studies done? Why didn't his doctor tell him the risks. Did he even know?

My husband has had stomach problems for years. Our family doctor gave him a prescription and told him he had to take it the rest of his life. Well, we went to a homeopathic doctor and found out he had candida overgrowth, parasites and heavy metal poisoning. In one month his condition was CURED, not covered up, not masked, CURED.

I have seen this over and over again. Doctors are not trained in nutrition. Or if they are, it's few and far between. Maybe it's different in Britain. But in this country, the medical profession is a business. It's all about making money. And of course they want to discredit homeopathic drugs -- it's the competition.

So, while I can appreciate that you're trying to expose fraud, I just don't buy it. Your article reminds me of the TV ads that attempt to convince the public that there's nothing wrong with consuming high fructose corn syrup. Meanwhile, the obesity rate in this country is over 60%.
Vast generalizations do not a valid argument make. Some homeopathy works and some may not. Some voodoo works. "Cui bono?" as the Romans said. Who benefits? The placebo effect is very effective in the use of many pharmaceuticals. But when huge pharmaceutical companies launch a war on simple remedies, you can bet there is money to be made if they can defeat the competition.
Madam Ruth, I see you're now been implicated in the obesity epidemic in the US. I can't wait to see what you get accused of next!
One thing that is increasingly clear is that the majority of science is rubbish and based on preconceived outcomes determined by who is writing the checks. Another thing is that widely known, based on the experience of others, is that doctors will kill you of you give them the chance to exercise their widely varying opinions. Of course, you have to somehow manage to live long enough to learn both of these things on your own because no one is going to tell you.

What they will tell you is that scientists say this and doctors say that, simply because you are supposed to be impressed that someone is a doctor or scientist, while not telling you what their first held opinion was that caused them to listen to a particular group of doctors and scientists using their own wildly varying scientific methods and ignore the others in order to support their opinions. Included in their conversation will be things like NHS, AMA, NAS, UN, NICE, etc. to make what they say sound official and beyond questioning.

What will not be included in the conversation is the fact that all of these groups are made up of simple human beings who are mostly on the take and have their own survival instincts and psychosis to deal with. If you have a rash, try something, your rash goes away, but they don't like what you took, they will be quick resort to the old fall back to tell you that it was all in your mind. The mind, they will say, as they try to control yours, can do mysterious things.

At the end of the day, if the day is one of enough days, you will take note that you met less than a handful of good doctors and scientists of sound minds in all of your days, the term quack does not only apply to ducks, and that you would have been much better off to try things for yourself.
Good grief! The same false argument keeps coming back: drugs can be problematic, therefore homeopathy must work. That's like saying, 'scientific research has created problems, therefore magic works'. Except now there's a dose of paranoia in it as well: Big Pharma makes profits, therefore they will discredit anything they can't profit from.

First of all, let's knock this on the head. Take any number of alt products and trace them back to their source, and pretty soon you find big business involved - including Big Pharma. Anything they can make a buck from, they will. Take a look at the consumer products section of the Glaxo Kline Smith website, for a start - vitamins, weight loss products, herbal preparations, 'naturals' galore.

And this nonsense about medicine 'covering up symptoms' - that's quackery. An antibiotic does what it says on the tin - works against bacteria. It doesn't squish them back into the cell and lock them up there, it kills them. Likewise anti-TB drugs and so on.

Sometimes you can make a generalisation, because it's demonstrably true. Pigs do not fly, for example.
Im so sick of the rush to ignorance in the US. I know a German lady who swears by homeopathy. She's nuts and her kids are in serious danger from Mumps and Measles, which are making a comeback in Europe. Quote," I think it's good for them to be sick. I know that when they get ill they will be out of school two or three times as long as children with antibiotics, but I think they are dangerous." What about the poor kid feeling bad? She wont even give them fever reducers. She's had to dunk her kids a few times due to fevers.

I've been in drug research. Im surprised that more people aren't killed by meds. It's always a crapshoot. People vary and test can only catch so much when done correctly- and they aren't done the way they should be. I've nursed several family members with cancer taking chemo. Sometimes it cures, sometimes it helps, and I've seen it kill. It sucks! I've had to take medications that were dangerous and could have killed me to get well. It was a tough call. Life if not easy.

My doctor tells everyone how to eat better. Almost no one listens.

Big Pharma can be a problem. No doubt. But these homeopathy folks don't even have to make the effort to prove their crap works. They are harming people while lining their pockets.

There is a placebo effect. Sometimes the body heals itself. Sometimes hope is a balm.
Sorry, but placebos do not have any curative effect. Much of the research is old and not very scientific. What "effect" is observed is a combination of the perception of the person that their malady is getting better—which for many chronic non-progressive illnesses is as effective as many discretionary pharmaceuticals—and the fact that most illnesses and conditions will go away even without medical intervention.

Even long-term debilitating chronic back pain has been shown to be greatly reduced by an attitude change of some sufferers.

As far as verified serious illnesses are concerned, placebos have no effect. If they are cured it is due to spontaneous remission, which occurs in equal numbers, placebos or not. Sufferers of diseases that do not tend to go into sponteous remission do not respond to homeopathy. Think cancer or heart disease.
What gibberish, you do speak. It's so wonderful, how everyone is an expert when it comes to defending the established status quo.
In America, we don't need thought police; every other person is a defender of the official think speak of our society.
This form of paternalism is why our medical care costs so much. We are told what to think, what to value, what the truth is, and when the officials from who rule our society today not for the church as much as for the corporate rulers, we have authors like the above or neighbors who tell us what the "truth" is. We are not
competent to know and experience for ourselves what works for our in this case health. We need someone wiser and louder than us to tell us what to do. There are a myriad of current medical procedures which don't work or cause serious complications worse than the disease- and they are all backed by many so called scientific studies. What does this tell you-nothing if don't think for yourself.
I am a naturopath, so I prescribe homeopathic and other natural remedies every day. I observe they work in my patients, have done so for over 30 years. By the way, this is a valid form of science, it’s called empiricism- here prescribing and observing results. I have also studied what goes for scientific research extensively, and I know it's limitations, its bias’s, its ability to be manipulated- and I see it used frequently in the field of medicine with all these limitations.

When you are telling iron from silver, science is very accurate.
When it comes to any complex topic like the human body and its interaction with its environment it is a very limited way of know what the truth it, because the complexity of the topic makes its
results too often just plain wrong.
What I want to know is what happened to the other group, who took massive doses of aspirin, vicodin, effexor etc, oh yes
we don't hear much of them, for they died of heart and liver failure, the remaining part of the group had car accidents on the way home from the event and died.
Yes, it really proves something that these people overdosing on homeopathy did not die. What does it prove? It only proves
that these are safer nontoxic medicine that your teens will not steal out of the medicine for recreational drug use. Homeopathy is meant to treat problems, not to poison you.

I am also a martial artist. When I have an injury and I take a trauma remedy and feel better and get well quickly, I am sorry I am not supporting the big pharmacy companies with my money.
I do notice and observe quickly improvement in my own body.
When I have a muscle sprain and I take a muscle strain homeopathic remedy and am better shortly thereafter, excuse me that I am determining this works for me.
Apologists for big medicine and big pharmacy have made similar criticisms of every vitamin, herb, or health food used to improve or maintain health. They come up with some bogus study, claiming to prove themselves right. When I do to examine these studies, and I do, I find them poorly thought out, poor executed, based on limited and incorrect assumptions- that is just plain biased. Why would this, could this be, aren’t they "scientific"- aren't they truth. No not really. Learn to trust your own mind, and body to know what works and is good for you. Paternalism is Ok for parents and children; it should not be used to control the behavior of adults. Let me choose whether a synthetic soft drink is good for me, or if I find blueberry-pomegranate juice is healthy.
We do like to think of ourselves a free in America,
And we are free to conform.
I'd like to see us develop real freedom and tolerance.
Yes, that includes for my own body, no I don't want
you to protect me from myself. I don't even
want you to protect others from themselves.
Oh, this real freedom is kind of -not usual is it?
It's a change-but a good one.
Freedom to choose your own health care-wow sounds good to me!
If you are a paternalist - I know you want to explain to me why you think this freedom is a bad idea, don't- if you've read the above you know I support individual choice and responsibility in health matters. You probably believe in this freedom in other area
of life- try accepting in also in the area of health care. I bet if we all
did we could cut health care costs in this country by 50%-just a thought.
For health and freedom...
What a load of disinformation! My good friend is a Homeopath and a Doctor of Integrated Medicine. She has treated countless patients in the US and London successfully over the course of 25 years. One woman with MS was told by an MD that she would never walk again. She is now walking and working and is deeply grateful that homeopathy has cured her. I have been cured of many minor and major ailments through homeopathy which, in true formulation, uses sugar with the actual remedy because it is so small a dosage. Have you ever taken Oscillococcinum made by Boiron, a French company? It's a highly effective, widely available, homeopathic flu remedy which has always worked for me and many others.

It's interesting to me how people such as yourself are so ready to slam a proven practice which you obviously know almost nothing about and are willing to support doctors and drug companies which have a long history of putting profits before people and trying (and seemingly succeeding) in brainwashing people into believing that drugs with side effects like heatstroke, Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, and Muscle Movements they Can't Control. These are just a few of the side effects of Risperidone which my father, who has dementia, was prescribed by his PCP. I refused to give him this poison just to calm him down for a flight to his new nursing home so I gave him Rescue Remedy which is made with Helianthum nummularium, Clematis vitalba, Impatiens glandulifera, Prunus cerasifera, and Ornithogalum umbellatum. Sugar pills? I don't think so. It worked beautifully. He slept for the whole flight without having to risk some deadly side effect prescribed in a rush by his "doctor".
My friend also spends hours with each new client, getting to know their whole story and history because that is a big part of the treatment process. More like a shaman rather than a shill for Big Pharma. Yeah, there's billions and billions of dollars to make when people ignore reality. Good Luck to all of you who would rather have more toys and plastic "healthcare" as opposed to real care and solutions for our bodies and minds.
This kind of junk journalism is atrocious. It shuts down real debate and creates a polarized, extremely juvenile form of mudslinging.
Prayers to all who are so closed you seem to who have lost the ability to learn.
A Wake In Time
Would any of the homeopathy supporters here like to comment on the fact that nearly 400 people took a massive overdose of homeopathic pills - and nothing happened to them? The protest was done on camera and in public.
I tell my friend, "I have a lucky rabbit's foot."

She asks, "Lucky, huh? Does it help with gambling?"

"Yes, it should help while gambling — I don't see why not."

What I just failed to realize in that conversation is that I literally just said that if I use the rabbit's foot, I will experience a higher rate of favorable outcomes. I can't wriggle out of the fact that I just said that — "Rabbit's foot helping with gambling" is literally the same thing as "Rabbit's foot improving probability."

Yet many people think of that second claim (and testing it) as though it takes place in some other world: Planet Empirical Science, where everything is made out of test tubes and lab coats. During their trips to Planet Science, both scientists and laymen simply visit and extract the occasional bizarre idea, like "quantum thermodynamics", then import it to here in the Real World, which is made out of Everyday Experience.

I mean, you don't actually believe that physicists "observe" all those super-tiny particles, right? That's like saying medieval theologians "observed" angels dancing on pins, right? In both cases, the claims are so "out there" that, well, they must be made up, and therefore, we have the license to use those claims however we please.

So it is with homeopathic claims: they don't just say that it makes you feel better, but that it outperforms conventional medicine — and therefore, although they don't say it aloud, that it outperforms placebo. "Try it for yourself", the standard alt-med's mantra, is exactly what scientific tests do. Or… does water get nervous and lose its "memory" when in the presence of medical examiners?
I wanted to stay out of this, but, as I was growing weary enough to get off this page and back to the rest of my email, I recalled my experiences with Tryptophan - about 25 years ago.

Tryptophan was becoming a popular supplement for inducing sleep. I was prescribed a dose of a GRAM of Tryptophan powder in juice before going to bed. It was incredibly pleasant and I slept like a baby - a really happy baby, laughing as I fell asleep, because the effect was so overwhelmingly comfortable. This supplement was also gaining some reputation as an alternative to anti-depressants, for some people, at a time when Prozac was becoming a household name (like " aspirin"). Around the time my bottle of Tryptophan was running out, the supplement was banned from sale in the US, until further notice.

Apparently, a number of people had died after consuming Tryptophan tablets for some length of time. Details weren't really clear and so much time passed before these deaths were finally explained (in a small piece in the back section of the newspaper), that the supplement was never going back on the shelves, even though it was proven that people died because of contaminated Tryptophan tablets. The tablets responsible were all from a batch of bottles produced by an unregulated Japanese manufacturer who had produced a contaminated batch. I don't believe I was ever in danger of dying and my powdered Tryptophan came from a reputable American supplier.

In the meantime, sales of anti-depressants flourished and were under no threat from that upstart non-prescription source of fun....
and don't start with me - I tried at least 3 non-uptake inhibitors, including the big P. I'd take Tryptophan over any 0f them, anytime. The closest I've ever come to that kind of fun in a prescription drug is Wellbutrin which has a very enjoyable side effect that makes me eternally loyal - it enhances the ability to orgasm - and who wouldn't love a drug that makes them come faster and far more intensely????? I wouldn't give it up even if the doc said it was going to kill me....
Wellburtin, eh? Well I didn't know that!! I must check it out.
Great post! ugh, I know of a homeopathic vet in my town, that prescribes this shit instead of pain pills or antibiotics... yes she still has her license... I think a vet or physician who prescribes anything homeopathic should automatically lose theri license. It is the very definition of incompetence.
Great post. Several homeopathic supporters note that they support homeopathy in a rebuke to 'Big Pharma.' I understand this urge. However, as Madam Ruth points out, there's a lot of money in homeopathic medicine as well. Homeopathic treatments are big business, produced by big multinational corporations, etc. (For example, the French-based Boiron Group had 2009 sales of 466 million euros.) Homeopathic manufacturers are just as commercially minded and marketing driven as conventional pharmaceutical makers, and are very good at turning a profit.

One reason for this, I suspect, is that the profit margin must be enormous on homeopathic remedies. After all, they contain vanishingly small quantities of their 'active' ingredients! Homeopathic remedies operate on the principle that increased dilution increases strength. This dilution means that there is literally usually not even a single molecule of the active ingredient in the dose. (Homeopathy attempts to explain this by claiming that the ingredient passes an undetectable 'aura' on to other ingredients with which it comes in contact.) So, since conventional medicine has to include the cost of the 'medicine' (for example, the aspirin in aspirin, the antibiotics in antibiotics), homeopathic medicine is essentially the cost of putting sugar into pill form. Even if the sugar pill is then retailed at substantial discount over tested medicine, the homeopathic corporation should still show a big profit.
Thanks NYDilettante. At the moment, I'm trying to find out more about these companies that make the pills - and what standards they're held to. Making some of the dilutions claimed is nigh on impossible. Who is overseeing the manufacture of these pills? Who is ascertaining that they really are diluting the original substance? And if they're being shaken or 'succussed' by mechanical shakers, how does this fit in with the traditional ideas about preparation? I suspect the bollocks goes right back to the preparation of the commercial mixes. It looks like an easy way to make money.
Like children bound by the lies taught to you in schools which promote the belief that America is the "greatest country in the world," you are unable to see the inherent problem in a "free market" economy which promotes poisons like Welbutrin and Prozac. There is a plethora of excellent material on the practice of homeopathy such as The Materia Medica and many books by Rajan Sankaran. Perhaps you are working for the Codex Alimentaris global movement to shut down alternative medicine? But given your ignorant viewpoint that's probably not on your radar.
It's fascinating to observe the level of righteousness many of you have about something you don't understand. Then again, that seems to be the zeitgeist given our dumbed down, falling empire mode of reality. Good luck graduating from the emotional intelligence of an 8 year old! By the way Prince Charles is a huge advocate of homeopathy and is very dismayed by Parliament's backlash against.
Ignorances knows no bounds!
Couldn't resist one more tidbit. Is your blog solely for getting your rocks off by slamming a legitimate healing practice and/or other serious topics which warrant serious discussion? If so, maybe you should get a job at FOX news. They would love you there! You'd drive up their ratings and the pharma/candy companies would give you all the free drugs you want, given the fact that they own the media. I'm sorry I had to stoop to your level of discourse but your nasty, closed way of discussion is just another reminder of how mean spirited our culture has become. I do pray that you can open your heart to other viewpoints and the joy of learning rather than taking pleasure in attacking something which can help people.
Sadly, we've become a culture of ignorant arrogance. Schoolyard bullies just wanting to "win" because it feels good until you have to fight again. For what? That's precisely why homeopathy pushes all your buttons; It treats like with like. It doesn't have to attack to heal. Hmmmmm. So, Madam Ruth, would you care or dare to actually TRY homeopathy or would that be too risky?
@Wake in time - actually, I have tried homeopathy. I have first hand experience, which I am more than happy to expound on, if you can bear details relating to the gut. I used to go to alternative practitioners all the time back in my New Age days. To this day I think yoga and so on have a great deal to offer.

Look, if you want to point out where I'm wrong, by all means do so. Debates are cool. Not what Prince Charles' endorsement is worth, though. I mean, his organic farming and Duchy products are great... but what does the man know about medicine?

By the way, if there are any Fox talent scouts out there who'd like to give me a job so I can drive up their ratings by bringing my blog posts to life - drop me an email!
@Wake... thats some good debate skills you got going there... way to point by point logically dismantle MadamRuth's argument... You totally convinced me! I am diluting poison as we speak... I am going for 1/100000000 strength.... I think you should maybe stick with 1x.

Also, if water retains the "essense" of everything it touches, and the diluter the better for this stuff, why not just drink rain water..or lake water... assuming that that water has been on earth for billions of years, constantly cycling, and part of it has likely had contact with every poison imaginable. How can it not contain the essense of what you want already, or is there some sort of shelf life for "essence" that I dont know about..
I agree with you on the subjet of Homeopathy. I tried it in the 80's. When my standard poodle was diagnosed with an agressive cancer than manifested itself over her left eye in a tumor, the vets wanted to take her eye and part of her sinus. They warned she would be dead within a month without surgery. My son and I opted to not have the surgery. What self-respecting gorgeous princess would want half a face? Not ours. However, we went online. We found European cancer treatments and even a magnetic pulsaating machine (to shrink the tumor). We kept Noelle alive, pain free, and happy for nearly a year. The vets were dumbfounded. When she went, she did as I had asked of her. She went quickly and without pain.
Gosh, I want to be in full agreement with your post. Very well-written and cohesive.

But I see so much harm - so much rampant, pervasive, brainwashing harm - done by big pharma companies that going after homeopathy seems like shooting small fish in a bowl full of sharks.

Someone pointed out the strength of antibiotics and the proof being in the petri dish - and all I can think about is the generally weakened immune systems most of us possess because of this seeming "superhero" of drugs. Go western meds!

There's also the issue that many herbal or alternative treatments tend to have shabbier "proof" that they work because they don't have a trillion dollars behind them to manufacture bright, shiny test results for the public to gobble up and say, "See, my magic blue pill really works - aside from the irritability, hair loss and anal leakage." These same companies undoubtedly assure that any positive press on alternative treatment is downplayed or maligned.

As for me, proof or no proof, I avoid standard pharmaceuticals at almost all cost (and by cost, I mean financially as well.) I don't think it takes a genius to see that there are far greater evils out there when it comes to drugs than homeopathics. Those evils are hanging out over your bathroom sink...but those, we're all fine with, right? It's scientifically proven!
Hi Beth,

Thanks for such a thoughtful response. As you rightly say, there are some very toxic drugs out there. Without wanting to get too much into the US healthcare system, there may be a particular problem in the US because it allows direct to consumer advertising of drugs and also because of the huge lobbying that goes on, both to doctors and to the government. This is less of a problem elsewhere, especially where other places have different medical cultures.

Where I live in Germany, for example, you have to wrestle the doctor/druggist to the ground to get any medication out of them. The Germans are particularly poor at giving pain relief, even after major surgery. Which is ironic, because Germany is the country that created the pharmaceutical industry - yet they avoid drugs wherever they can.

The particular issue with homeopathy - as opposed to herbal medicines, Chinese medicines etc - is that is has had all of the shiny, expensive studies thrown at it, and it has consistently failed. Not only that, but when people use homeopathy instead of medicine, they can die. Most significantly, belief in alternatives and a scepticism of medicine is one of the reasons that measles is on the rise again in Europe, so it's not a small issue.

Other alternative medicines may prove themselves in time and some already have. Homeopathy, however, is make believe, pure and simple. It has nothing to offer - and considering that 400 million euros is spent on it every year in France and Germany alone, that's not an insignificant deception.

Thanks again for your thoughtful post.