I don’t know if employing the services of escorts is more in vogue these days, but talking about escorts certainly is. It’s hard to miss the books, the television series and the blogs. Most of these offer what seems to be a bit of an airbrushed take on the profession. I have a hard time buying it.
Is prostitution necessary? Yes, I think I’d have to say it is, perhaps serving as some kind of relief valve for society. And it shouldn’t be illegal. Cleaned up and regulated, certainly, but we don’t have to look far to see what happens when we apply legal prohibition to human vices. War on Drugs, anyone?
There’s a fantasy element to the escort scene, to be sure, both for men and women. It’s far removed from the dirt and danger of street hooking. If it’s not quite respectable, then escorting has at the very least a veneer of acceptability, conferred by the involvement of large sums of money. Maybe there’s a class aspect to this, too, since the escorts we hear about in popular media are not renting themselves out to bus drivers, or autoworkers. They’re well-treated by senior executives, entrepreneurs… and senators and governors.
The stories we’re told often suggest that the men shell out as much for an emotional connection as for the sex. I doubt that’s really the case, very often. I remember a line from a 1990s comedian. He talked about how no one goes to McDonald’s because the food is so terrific. You can get a better burger at any number of restaurants. But you can get a McDonald’s burger in seconds! He recommended a new slogan: “McDonald’s… it’s ready.” I suspect instant gratification has a lot to do with the escort market. If you have a phone, a few hundred dollars and little time or interest to put into acquiring the unpaid variety of sex, Secret Nights™ is for you. "She's ready." All major credit cards accepted.
I’ve also heard, and I’ll bet you have too, about the purported advantages of escorting for women. "I work for myself. My hours are flexible. I make a lot of money." Surely there’s some truth to this. Yet there must be huge disadvantages as well. "I can’t have a normal love relationship with a normal person, because of what I do to pay the bills. I have to lie constantly to my friends and family. The longer I do this, the greater the gap in my résumé, and the less chance I have of ever securing a regular job again."
Another thing about escort stories is that the women involved tend to be portrayed as educated, accomplished and cultured – more along the lines of a classical courtesan of past ages. This leaves me skeptical, and it’s not quite my own experience. No, not that kind of experience.
A few years ago, I lived in a mid-to-high end condo in a relatively good part of the city. It was near some nice hotels, and made a convenient HQ for escorts. Soon after moving in, I met a woman by the pool. Very pretty. We chatted briefly and thereafter we greeted each other frequently in the elevator. As a naïve young man, it took me awhile to twig to the lady’s chosen work. One day, back at the pool, she invited me to join her and a group of her friends having an impromptu party on the sunny deck.
It was enlightening. It didn’t take long before they began to talk business, a constant flow of pre-mixed drinks loosening tongues and, I imagine, removing worries about an outsider in their midst. These attractive, young(-ish) women, were all in the same industry. I got to listen in on a kind of escort “focus group”.
These were not the escorts of soft-focus literary fantasies. Not educated, not refugees from office life, not the aristocratic courtesans of old. My impression was that they were probably perfectly nice girls who came to the city without much in the way of work credentials, and who opted to take a couple of shortcuts in life. It also seemed to me that it had cost them on a number of levels.
They certainly partied hard. When they worked, they were out late and lamented their drinking and drug use, though they didn’t seem disposed to slowing down. When they weren’t working, they were out late, almost always with each other, because it was hard to keep “civilian” friends. And getting out of bed in the afternoon regularly begins to take a toll as you enter your 30s. Beneath their tans I could see early signs of a life that was harder on them than they might once have anticipated.
And there was something else. Perhaps a kind of coarseness, or callousness, and a certain hard cynicism. I’m no expert, but I’d surmise that it had something to do with treating their clients, and themselves, very much as a form of commodity in constant value transactions.
This is nothing but anecdotal evidence, of course. I’m sure there are many escorts who could object that their own situation is different and better. And my final take on this is purely subjective.
At the end of a long, hot afternoon by the pool, my acquaintance from the condo made a tipsy approach to me. I have no idea if she was offering to spend personal or professional time with me. Either way, I begged off as politely as I could. I’d seen and heard a fair bit. And for the life of me, I couldn’t find a damned thing sexy about this woman.
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Also had a friend--a brilliant man, in all actuality--whose addiction to strippers and hookers ended his legal career a few years after school.
So many of them are trying to get off drugs and drink; as I've heard from more than one -- you've gotta be loaded to do this; some of those guys are disgusting.
One woman I know nearly offed herself when, losing her "straight" bartending job at age 40, she was rejected as too old to return to the oldest profession.
The tramp stamps look cheeky and insouciant now; when they start to balloon or sag; not so much.
Are there women for whom this is a good way to make a living? I suppose there must be. I've just never met any of them. And I've met a lot.
PS They really start hating men, too.
Helen, you've just said more, with more insight, than I have.
bstrangely, I really don't want to be harsh. At the same time, I rather object to the way this business seems to be portrayed, too often.
I had contact with some very, very, high end whores that were helicoptered and flown in from various points of the globe. These girls were Miss Universe/Top model category, but not a one was over the age of 25.
Being a prostitute has nothing to do with sex, it has to do with letting yourself be used - a crime that can happen mentally, emotionally or spiritually - not just physically. My father, for example, called himself a mental prostitute - they used his mind for what they wanted. But the fact you reacted in a threatened manner in this posting says more about you than about them.
And there's an old saying that says "write what you know about" - not "write what you guess about". Something you may wish to consider.
I've had occasion to mix with sex workers in the past; of both the lower-end (think strippers at clubs frequented by frat boys and low-to-middle income businessmen - used car salesman types) - and the higher end (escorts both lovely and able to charge hundreds of dollars an hour for the 'privilege' of sleeping with them.)
I've hung out casually with these women for varied reasons, but I will admit I've never had one for a close friend. Certain universal traits they share make me personally not really wish to spend much time with them. People joke about how women see men as a walking wallet but in my own experience, this is not true. My wife and I have both supported each other in life. These women though... yes, they tend to see men as walking wallets by the very nature of their profession.
Again, this might just be my experience and perhaps there exist a few perfectly lovely, educated, well-adjusted escorts out there who manage to maintain a healthy relationship with men and sex in general. I simply have not met any of them yet.
Also, for the record, I think prostitution should be legal and regulated as it is in the Netherlands. Again, this doesn't mean that I would choose to befriend a woman who does this for a living - any more than I would choose to befriend someone who sells drugs for a living. I also think drugs should be legalized, by the way.
And despite my relatively varied sexual past, for all the men and women I've had the good (and not-so-good) fortune to be with... I can honestly say the hottest thing about the experience for me is knowing that the other person wants me... lusts after me. If I know a woman is with me for a quick financial transaction, it just doesn't quite do it for me. (Friends with benefits? Sure - there's lust and playfulness involved. Escorts? Eh, not for me.)
Fascinating stuff and provoking as well.
Your focus was primarily on "What kind of women would..." instead of "What kind of man hires..." There's always more allowance for the male aspect of this equation and that's where your piece doesn't work for me.
Though you conveyed your point well...I just don't agree with some of the underlying points...or don't like them, more accurately.
Some sex workers are happy, sexy, undrugged and non-alcoholic. Some housewives are pumped on Valium, undersexed, deprived and lonely. And the beat goes on.
we all try to take the best choice we see. for lots of women this is hooking.
it should be legal.
How do either of them (any of them) not feel the sledgehammer of guilt, and/or cheap, and/or gutter, and/or object, and/or liar, and/or phony, and/or lower levels of consciousness? Who could live with that for more than 1 minute??
This is a great post ManTalk, you cunning linguist you (sorry)
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Legalizing it would take away at least a little bit of the stigma. It would take pimps out of the equation (presumably). It may remove some of the violence, sexual slavery, drugging, etc., that go along with modern prostitution. It might provide a legitimate (if short-term) career route for young women and men who don't have a lot of other options.
But it does change people. I've known a few men who used to hook in Balboa Park when they were younger; they mostly said it was a great experience and they made great money, but a different story would come out when, for instance, they were drunk, and talked instead about the rapes, the johns that don't pay, the sick bastards that are looking for young boys, or who want to pay the kids to allow themselves to be hurt...it sours their view on humanity, in a way.
I've also had a good number of clients, male and female, who have prostituted themselves in the past. None of them feel good about it. Used, dirty, disgusting--those are words they use. "Do you think I'd have been doing this if I had any other choice? I needed money for food/rent/drugs/booze/my lazy boyfriend" is also pretty common.
Again, maybe if this was legalized and regulated, there was security and a cashier on hand to make sure those kinds of things don't happen, maybe it would work. I have my doubts though.
Like a said, ambivalent.
Harry Homeless, first, I didn't know there was something called "hooker hating", and I certainly don't think I'd qualify as someone who engages in that particuar sentiment. I'm also sorry if my post came off as "sneering", because that wasn't my intention. In fact, I tried to ensure that it was clear that I wasn't condemning prostitutes. Judging their choices to a degree? Yes. Judging the exciting and romantic way the profession is often presented, as just another career choice? Definitely.
I wasn't being non-judgmental, and wasn't trying to be.
As to your point "write what you know"... I can't agree with that. I wasn't pretending to be expert in this area, and I wasn't writing a book, but I think people have every right to at least attempt to form an intelligent opinion on societal issues in which they don't have direct experience. I haven't served in the armed forces, but I have opinions on military budgets. I've not sat in Congress, but I've got some thoughts on earmarks and bridges to nowhere.
Beth Mann, I've heard the argument before that some people feel they have had jobs that "aged me, demeaned me and exploited me that had absolutely nothing to do with sex." I just don't think it's quite a fair comparison. A bad job, or a bad marriage for that matter, simply aren't the same as prostitution.
The other point you made is that I focused on the women who work as escorts, rather than on the men who hire them. That's true. But the thrust of my post was about portrayals of the escort business being too rosy for me to believe - and my concern for what the reality is for women who go into "the business". Perhaps if I had seen stories about what a good experience prostitution was for men, I'd have written about that.
Perhaps the most succinct way to put it to Beth and any others who see it as simply another career choice...
How would you feel about your daughter coming home at age 18 and saying, "Hey, mom? Dad? I'm going to pay my way through college by having sex with strangers for money!"
Would any parent honestly look at their daughter, smile, and go, "Way to be an empowered woman, dear! Just mind you stay away from the riffraff, make sure to charge a lot!"
On another note, your title inexplicably made me laugh.
MJ, the title was supposed to be a (weak) play on words. Glad it gave you a laugh!
Perhaps I'm too skeptical, or maybe I'm just trying to find an application for my nearly worthless graduate degree in psychology.
He spent quite a few vacations in Thailand, and came back with stories about girls who would give a very convincing imitation of true love for the week you hired them.
My opinion is that he was trying to demystify the female through commerce. His wife had been very much of a maternal figure (and their marriage broke up after she had a baby), so I think he was trying to escape from that.
He's happily married and has a child now, and so far as I know isn't stepping out (and he'd tell me if he was).
On the other side, my sister worked in a massage parlor back in the '70s. I didn't spend much time there, although I did end up dating one of the girls for a few months, but it was a pretty sex-positive place. If there were no paying clients, it wasn't unusual for one of the girls to have her boyfriend up for a session with whoever wanted to jump in.
The girls ran the gamut from utterly materialistic to dizzy hippie...my sister was on that end of the game. She's a civil engineer today, but she's not any different than when she worked at the Tender Touch.
Jimmy Havok, thanks for the insight from both sides. I hadn't touched on (bad choice of words) the men who use these services, as some commenters noted, so I'm glad you did.
Icemilkcoffee, yes, although there certainly are a few who work only in the rarefied air, I don't think that's an accurate snapshot of the business in general.
Rich, thanks. It's not easy to be sensitive and yet *not* non-judgmental. That's what I was aiming for, anyway.
MJ GOTT, as usual, T Boone has quite the way with words. But in this economy, I suppose johns could at least try to buy domestic. I don't think escorts are getting a federal bailout.
Thanks for the more realistic view of the life of a sex worker. It does not surprise me that many have drug and alcohol problems. I don't know how one can detach themselves from their feelings and just become a reciprocal for someone else's sexual needs without numbing themselves first.
I believe it's appropriate to remember, especially during this particular weekend cycle, that everyone in this life has a cross to bear. And that everyone has the opportunity to die in this life and be resurrected - in this life - into as clean and pure and sacred a way of being as they could ever imagine.
Sad how few of us ever take that path.
Happy Easter, Happy Passover. May all crazy diamonds shine on.
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You say you’re skeptical because all the stories feature educated, sophisticated women. Well, that’s not surprising. The non-educated escorts don’t write stories. Of course hooker memoirs are skewed towards those who like to write – and if they’re published, those who write well.
Last, there’s a big factor here that you aren’t taking into account: people who choose to escort aren’t like everyone else. They’re a self-selected group. They’re women who LIKE to party, who don’t care much about social norms, and who have no qualms with impersonal sex. So a lot of your worries/criticisms would happen regardless of whether or not they were escorting. Most of them would be staying up late partying anyway. Most of them would be having casual sex anyway. And most of them are used to lying to friends and family already. They just wouldn’t be getting paid.
Bottom line: you are ascribing your values and feelings to people who don’t share them. You personally don’t like the idea of sleeping in, lazing around, having sex with strangers, and staying up late partying. But some people do. I’ve known a few sex workers and I can tell you with certainty that they absolutely experienced office jobs as more demeaning and soul-deadening than escorting. Just because something isn’t true for YOU doesn’t mean you should deny someone else’s experience as true.
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(I do not and nor have I ever had sex with a man or woman for money, if that is what you are thinking)
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Kryptogal, your comment is well-argued. And you've suggested that, not having been an escort myself, I don't know what I'm talking about. I think that's mostly true. Still, I'll continue to express considered opinions, here and elsewhere, regarding issues on which I believe I can form a somewhat reasoned argument.
You've also said that I've overlaid my own values and feelings upon this issue - the portrayal of escorting. You're right, I have.
However, my values and feelings may not be quite the ones you imagine.
As to your claim that I don't like the idea of people sleeping in, partying and having sex with strangers... on the contrary! I think partying late and sleeping in are fine, fine things. Not to excess, of course, and not nearly every day, but still... I fight for the right to paaaarty. Sex? I'm on record, on this blog, repeatedly (excessively?) supporting the act. I'm a fan of intimate inter-gender or intra-gender relations. Less so, when it comes to constant sex with strangers as commerce.
Ghost writer certainly made his or her feelings about my piece clear: "You can dress yourselves up with a lot of tender sentiment, but you're still a fart."
Now there's a fragrant criticism. Okay, ghost writer, I'm a fart. At the very least, I can hope that I'm a sharp, loud fart that makes its presence known in no uncertain terms. I'd hate to be "silent but deadly". That would be too passive-aggressive for my liking.
(That's the strangest sentence I have ever written.)
My wish would be that those purchasing sex would have serious jail time and pay steep penalites. I wish that those exploited by the trade would benefit from those penalities in the form of counseling, healthcare and education. Nobody who truely knew the effects their exploitation would have on their future would continue to pursue it as a means of income.
I've known a lot of sex workers in my time and I have yet to meet these perfectly well-adjusted, happy ones you speak of. Perhaps I just haven't waited long enough.
I'm all about sex with strangers under the right circumstances but the people who charge for it have always just... well, let's just say that they've always pretty much confirmed my gut feelings.
Is it possible that the educated, sexy, happy and well adjusted sex worker exists out there? Sure. I've just not met her. Or him, for that matter.
The closest I've gotten to 'paying for sex" was my lasy and FINAL ex.
Everything was all about her however, that's a miserable diatribe for another time.
I'm just posting here to ask a question.
I haven't yet made a blog although, I've stepped in quite a few at Salon.lol
There are ALWAYS many blogs about sex, prostitution, etc.
As I've read them, I noticed that the terms used to identify the prostitutes/hookers/call girls, etc are typically gender influenced.
There are hundreds and hundreds of posts in these blogs and, usually, when the word "whore" is used, it's said by a female poster.
Yes, there ARE some male posters who've said it however, it is almost always used by a female poster.
OK, psychos, er, psychologists, why do you suppose that is?
I do not detect a sneering or dismissive tone, nor a morally superior tone from you. I totally get this, "I do think there a certain prurient fascination with escorting in the media at the moment, and it strikes me as idealized and disingenuous." I totally agree with you. There is a glamorization and a distortion of reality out there, that reminds me of a decade ago in the modelling industry, when looking like a hollow-eyed, strung-out heroin addict was portrayed as chic.
You also pointed to a greater truth, when you discussed the group of call girls you had met (one lived in your condo, I believe): When first discussing their lifestyle in your presence (before inhibitions & lips were loosened by drink or drugs), they expressed it in much more rosy terms. But later during the party, other darker attitudes and it seems a lot of resentment about their work arose.
The truth is that many of us will rationalize to others choices we have made that we are not particularly proud of (and I am NOT just referring to prostitutes. This translates to all sorts of career and life choices), almost to convince ourselves that what we are doing is okay. Sometimes, it is hard to be brutally honest with ourselves and examine our true motivations.
Four years or so ago, I had met this woman who is a self-identified crack-whore. (Just to be clear: I was surprised when, one time, she referred to herself that way. I know that term is pejorative. But it was her self-identification). She was (and probably still is) a crack addict. She pan-handled for money, too. Now, she was an every-day user and would not do much else besides smoke crack. I am not in any way equating this or her lifestyle with escorts or high-end call-girls. I am yet to make my point, in next paragraph.
I was quite surprised to find out that a few years before, she had actually had an apprenticeship designing sets for a local theatre company. I would kill for a creative opportunity like that! Now, it is entirely possible she was fired or lost her job; I have no way of knowing. I do know that was before her crack addiction; although she may have been using other substances then. Still, to be chosen as an apprentice to that theatre company, put it this way: it's not just a happy accident. There are lots of people competing for that. You have to have a lot of talent and you have to prove to them and convince them of that: they don't want to be spending their precious limited funds on a 'dud' or on someone without a lot of talent, potential and motivation. So I realized that she didn't always have her current 'loser' lifestyle.
As tactfully as I could, I asked if she missed that, if she wished there were something different. She replied, "I'm content." Do I actually buy into her being content with living her life as a crack-addict and a prostitute? Of course not. But if people are confronted at the time with questions about why they are living a particular lifestyle, if we don't want to go there and it's too painful or uncomfortable to look at our lives, then we will present an outer front, an outside facade that says, 'hey, this is great! I choose my hours, I have control, I make lots of money.' But I detect a lot of false notes there.
But, here are a few questions for not just escorts or call-girls, but for many people stuck or in a rut (excuse me, poor word choice) or doing less than fulfilling or satisfying work:
1) Are you ashamed of your work? Would you be ashamed if your grandparents, sibling, best friend, best friend's parents found out what you do?
2) Are you proud of your work? Would you be proud to tell the various people in question 1 how you make your living?
3) Are you working under or up to your potential? By utilizing your fuller potential, I mean does your work make good use of your innate talents and your developed abilities?
4) Do you feel that you are on the path of what you were born to do?
As per the fart reference, the fact is that you were speaking like an old fart. My take on the post is that you are fearful, and you project your own hang-ups and anxieties about women onto them—most of the characterizations are applicable to a variety of women (and men) in various careers having nothing to do with the sex industry, but that you chose to isolate it here is telling.
Of course, I know little about you—you may, in life, be a youngish man, but the base of your argument is crotchety (your rant against lively, promiscuous women). I think men like you are threatened by women who possess agency and power.
Still, that comment wasn’t directed at you alone. For example, I don’t get the chuckles on your comment thread—or the insertion of—this: “32 years old, thin and bottle blonde. (Don’t need to know about curtains matching carpet. Eyebrows tell the tale.)” Most women dye their hair. Men (mostly) like it. Women (mostly) have fun with it. And yet, here it is used as a dig—like somehow we’ve lifted the veil on something really sleazy on this woman and she is knocked down a peg or two (because her hair color is induced??). And other women chuckle like there is something to it.
Ladies, there is nothing to be gained by aligning with men against one another this way although it happens all the time—that is how the power structure is maintained. But why is beyond me.
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