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MARCH 21, 2011 1:38PM

World Goes Nuts Over Libya War

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Scandinavians on warpath to Libya (Scandinavians may not look exactly as depicted)  http://619sports.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/vikings.jpg

 

 

Am I the only one who finds the international positioning on Libya very confusing?

 

I’m not denying for a minute that the decision to engage militarily in that benighted country is a difficult one. It is. It certainly has me tied up in knots, torn between desire to protect Libyan civilians on the one hand, and real concern about our committing to another war – and almost inevitably ending up hurting some of those civilians about whom we’re so concerned.

 

On balance, thinking about the one hand and the other, I guess I’m tentatively, hesitatingly, quaveringly onside. But I don’t feel good about that.

 

Around the world, countries are lining up for or against the no-fly zone and airstrikes, sometimes in predictable ways, sometimes in irritating ways, and sometimes in ways it’s not easy to comprehend.

 

It’s no surprise to see Hugo Chavez, Muammar Gaddafi’s BFF denouncing the action as a Western plot to steal Libya’s oil (which makes no sense, since the Europeans previously seemed perfectly happy to buy said oil from the Crazy Colonel). Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua and Cuba’s geriatric Castro brothers are in the same camp.

China and Russia unexpectedly abstained from the UN Security Council vote authorizing military action, but since then, Russia’s Prime Minister (and former and future President) Vladimir Putin has likened the Libya assault to a “medieval call to crusade” by the West. And now, Putin-protégé and current President Dmitry Medvedev has complicated things, slamming Putin’s crusade remarks as “unacceptable”. 

Is your head spinning yet? 

If not, then consider those peace-loving Scandinavians, who are eager to supply not only planes and munitions for the Libyan operations, but also some of the most belligerent and ambitious rhetoric. Sweden wants the allied coalition not only to halt Libya’s offensive actions against civilians – but also to actively oust the current regime and get busy with nation-building. "What is required is to build a post-Gaddafi Libya," said Sweden’s Foreign Minister Carl Bildt.  

Denmark’s parliament voted unanimously – unanimously! – to support military action. Expressing national pride in their Nordic readiness, Danish Defense Minister Gitte Lillelund Bech said, “Apart from France, the US and Great Britain, Denmark is recognised as the country that was quickest to respond to the UN Security Council’s resolution.” 

Danish F-16s are already in the skies over Libya, Norwegian F-16s are on the way, and Sweden reports that its Gripen fighter jets could be deployed “within days”. 

Germany on the other hand, wants no part of the fight, and is using the changing-by-the-minute statements from the Arab League to justify its position. Citing one Arab League comment criticizing the airstrikes, German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said, "It means that we see the risks and when we listen closely to what the Arab League yesterday said, unfortunately we see that we have reasons for our concern.”

 

Immediately, Germany’s close allies shot back, with assertions from Sweden, Luxembourg, and the European Union itself, that the Arab League was back onboard with the coalition effort.

 

I don’t understand all this, why some surprising countries are champing at the bit to fight, while others (including the notably reticent America) are less enthusiastic.

 

Italy’s in. Canada’s in. Spain is part of the war effort, even though their national coffers are so empty they don’t have a pot to piss in. Britain and France, of course, led the way.

 

Brazil abstained from the UN vote, India is shouting loudly for the strikes to stop, I think the African Union is on Gaddafi’s side, and… let me check… the Arab League may have changed its tune again.

 

Helpfully, America’s statesmen and women are all over the map. Senators John Kerry, John McCain, Lindsay Graham and Joe Lieberman are in favor of decisive action. Senators Richard Lugar and Dianne Feinstein have urged restraint.

 

House Majority Leader Boehner stated very clearly and very orange-ly that, ''The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” The wonder is that he managed not to burst into tears as he said so.

 

And, apparently, Representative Dennis Kucinich wants President Obama impeached.

 

Huh.

 

Belligerent Scandinavians. Hesitant Republicans. Contradictory Russians. Angry Indians. Confused Arabs. I bet the Israelis are just sitting down, kicking off their shoes and ordering a Diet Coke.

 

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The Vatican urged restraint. The Aussies and Irish urged drinking.
Hang on a sec....... I've got some customers here who want cokes.....

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I smell more rats than needed to carry a plague!

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rated for confusion... and Vikings
Wh at Tr ig sa id.
tr ig, Vikings must always be rated. You know what they do when you don't rate.

skypixie0, I really don't know what to make of all this.
Who's next, Switzerland? Hand me a diet coke and shove over. Do you think the world would respond any differently if Gaddafi wasn't so hard on the eyes? What if he was a little bit of a Rahm Emanuel look alike - same fiery tongue and everything - would he rate a world wide bomb-fest or would people want to be nicer to him b/c he was cute?

Yep, I can see lots of angles on this one, MTN.
??? You are giving me an idea for a new hobby...why bother with Civil War and Revolutionary War reenactments? I am sure that the Scandinavians had better positions for women than as camp followers and nurses. As for Libya the West has been waiting for long time on this.
Praise the lord and pass the popcorn...this is a real interesting movie...xox
When asked if the US should bomb Tripoli, Libya, Sarah Palin said, "No way! We should bomb QUADRUPALLY Libya!"
...he said with his rapier wit.

(I'm laughing! a little)
The European response is easily explained -- if Khadaffi prevails, Europe will be over-run with former Libyan rebels. That's what they call realpolitick.

As for me, I have VERY mixed emotions about this, too, seeing as how I was adamantly opposed to the Iraq War. But as Whitman said, if I contradict myself, I contradict myself -- politics will do that to you.
Tom, your point about the Europeans is well-taken, but I think there's more to it than that. I suspect there's an element of national pride, and wanting the opportunity to flex military muscle in a righteous cause. And I wouldn't minimize the pure desire to protect the innocent, either.

I'm with you, certainly, when it comes to mixed feelings. I was against the Iraq war, too (the second one - I thought Bush Senior handled the first one quite well).
I laughed despite the anger and anxiety that's seething inside.
wandering off now to read up on Gaddafi - who is this man? where did he come from and what does the Libyan intelligentsia feel about him? is it possible to find small Libyan papers or mags online? he depitates people - why??? he asked for 500 Italian belles? paid Beyonce Knowles? how much clout does he really have in the Arab world and why? why did people support him in the beginning? was he abused as a child? O I want to know all about him. also, why no one wanted "talks" this time but reverted to no-fly zone strategy straightaway - and why is Ban ki Moon never on tele? and why is it in India in my state we don't get serious American news channels but just BBC and CNN-IBN. Russian News Channel is gone, Star News is gone, CNBC is gone, I wonder why...
wait I was going away when your reply to tom caught my attention: "the pure desire to protect the innocent" eeeps - that one we are not buying - we are listening to BBC 24 hours a day almost and watching all the people (not the speakers on cam but the ones that are sitting around - I watch them) - they all have their arms and legs crossed quite firmly, guruji. Their people have said on camera, "we do not know what the people want". So there.
de-capitates - sorry
This is one of those international situations which makes me ponder maybe paying more attention to the news so I can have an informed opinion on this thing. Then I look at all the other opinions floating around out there, informed and otherwise, and I think...hmmm...maybe not.

I do like the vikings, though, in an aesthetic sort of way. :)
Wait, let me get this straight:

The Danes and Norwegians have F-16s?
A very good post representing the insanity of the world and especially this country. rated
Canada's in, at least in part because we're due for an election any second and the Prime Minister needs to justify his shiny new fighter jets.
When many of us were reaching into our pockets scraping change together for our friends the Japanese our President went to war again. I am really confused.
Keep in mind, that all the fighting in Northern Africa leads to more "illegal" immigration into Europe. Considering that they have significantly higher standards of living guaranteed to anyone who is a political refugee- housing, medicine, education- they have a lot at stake if Gadaffi isn't slowed down from driving people out of Northern Africa. They also buy their oil from there. There is already a huge anti-muslim issue with immigration. Forcing them to accept floods of immigrants from a civil war (like in the Balkans in the 90s during the Clinton years) will ignite a simmering blaze into a fiery inferno. It is more politically astute to "enforce democracy" and keep the Libyans in Libya than to deal with the social and economic burden of increased immigration to Europe. The other option is to change their Human Right's charters, like we are trying to do in the US towards folks from every where but Europe and Canada. In the long run, they will likely do that anyway. Right now, it's cheaper and easier to bomb.