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OCTOBER 23, 2011 7:05PM

Interview with a Red State Gun Lover

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I’ve been getting to know my own country again. A break from overseas projects has given me the opportunity to travel closer to home. Instead of more exotic places, I’ve been spending time in places that are entirely un-exotic.

 

Everywhere I land has its own charms and quirks and special treats, if I try just a little to find them. But the business traveler mostly sees airports, office buildings and hotel properties that are traded from chain to chain without much changing. I like it, though, in a way.

 

I can get used to the generic sameness of American cities and towns. I get exactly what I expect, and can’t really complain about a boring, clean, spacious hotel room for $98. With HBO on the TV at night, free breakfast buffet, and a redoubtable waitress in her 50s, who refills my coffee, smiles flirtatiously and calls me “hon”.

 

Oddly enough, work has been taking me mostly to Red States in the South and West, where people are ignorant and crazy, and impossible to understand.

 

***

 

Tony is an entrepreneur in a western state. He’s a stocky, soft-spoken man of middle height, in his 40s. He started an online business selling household products at wholesale prices. To his shock and delight, business has been growing remarkably fast. The little pre-fab steel warehouse behind his house can’t stock enough inventory anymore. And he needs employees now. He was interested in hearing about an enterprise I’m working on, to combine the efforts of several companies like his.

 

We’d talked business for a long while at his kitchen table, and now we were just talking. Talking about his wife and kids and the camping trips they like to take. Discussing some interesting places I’d been to, that he was curious about. And touching on the differences between his world and mine. My host poured me a Diet Coke, disappeared for a minute, then returned.

 

“You ever see one of these?” Tony asked, proudly showing me an evil-looking handgun.

 

“May I?” I asked, extending my hand.

 

“Sure,” he said, handing it over. “It’s unloaded,” he added, showing me the magazine. “Chamber’s empty.”

 

I held the scary weapon in my hands and considered it. “Ruger .22 long rifle,” I said, reading the manufacturer’s details stamped on the side. “Is this… is this an integral suppressor?” I asked.

 

“Yep,” he said, smiling, confirming that the pistol’s long barrel concealed what most of us would call a built-in silencer.

 

“Is this thing legal?” was my next question.

 

“It is here,” he laughed. “I don’t know about back in New York.”

 

“It looks like an assassin’s gun,” I said.

 

“The SEALs use ‘em.”

 

“Tony, what could you possibly need a weapon like this for?” I asked.

 

“That,” he said, slowly shaking his head, “is a dumb question. I don’t need the damn thing.”

 

I waited for him to expand on that. Instead he said, “You wanna try it out?”

 

I looked at the gun. Looked at Tony. Thought about it. “Well… Hell, yeah.”

 

***

 

It was a nice morning, warm and bright and clear. As we left the air-conditioned cool of Tony’s house, I rolled up my sleeves and put my Yankees cap and Ray Bans back on. Pulled a pack of gum from my jeans, popped out a piece for myself and handed the pack to Tony.

 

“I don’t expect you, uh… you own any guns,” Tony said, as we strolled away from his house, my boots and his sneakers making sibilance in the grass.

 

I glanced down at him. “Actually, I do. I inherited a very old Lee-Enfield .303 rifle from my Dad and Granddad. I keep it at a little cabin upstate.”

 

“You get any deer with it?” he asked.

 

“Do you hunt?” I countered.

 

“Yeah, I go out a couple times a year,” he said, eyeing me. “Still got some venison in the big freezer. Why? You against hunting?”

 

“No, I wouldn’t say that, Tony,” I replied. “I wouldn’t say that at all. But I found out it just wasn’t for me. I shot a white-tailed buck once. It was pretty exciting. But when we found him… I just don’t have the stomach for it. So now I’m comfortable being a hypocrite who loves to eat meat, and just shoots the hell out of logs behind my cabin every few months.”

 

Tony thought about that. “Fair enough,” he said, finally.

 

Soon we came to a stop about 50 feet distant from two stout, weather beaten tables lying on their side, their bullet-pocked tops toward us. Tony handed me the empty Ruger. “You know how to load it?”

 

“I think so,” I said, and he handed me a magazine.

 

The gun was impossibly light. I aimed and fired two shots, hitting the top left corner of one of the tables. There was almost no kick, and the suppressed barrel uttered nothing but two polite little throat-clearing coughs. It sounded and felt less like discharging a firearm than it did like shooting out those red paper stars with an air rifle at a small-town fair.

 

I aimed again, fired the remaining eight rounds in the magazine, and hit much closer to the center of the table.

 

“Not bad at all,” judged Tony. “But lemme show you how it’s done, son,” he smiled. He rapid-fired a new magazine in a tight grouping dead center.

 

As we hunted in the grass, picking up our spent brass, Tony asked, “So now tell me. Was that fun?”

 

“Yes, it was.”

 

“You want to do it again?” he asked.

 

“Yes, please.”

 

Tony began to reload tiny rounds, one by one, into the magazines. “You know, out here, people get pretty irritated with folks out East trying to tell us about our Second Amendment rights. Where our rights start and end. Can you understand that?”

 

“I guess I can,” I admitted.

 

“I own a .308 and a 12 gauge, both Remingtons, because they’re beautiful weapons, an AR-15, a Glock 17, a Glock 20 and this little beauty,” he said holding up the Ruger. “I keep ‘em all in a steel-reinforced gun locker, trigger locks on each one.”

 

“That’s very responsible,” I nodded.

 

“Now don’t you think people back in New York should have the same gun ownership rights that I do?” he asked.

 

“Nope,” I said. “I sure don’t. I like gun control laws, within reason. And I think the gun control laws in New York are reasonable.”

 

He looked at me, eyebrows up. “Are you telling me I haven’t changed your mind even a little bit?”

 

“Not even a little bit,” I said, looking back at him and smiling.

 

He laughed. “You’re abusing my hospitality.”

 

“Gee, I hope not,” I said, and meant it.

 

“Naw, not really,” said Tony, handing me back the reloaded pistol. “Let’s kill that table a few more times, then look at that paperwork you brought.”

 

We killed that table good. Then we went back to his house, signed the paperwork, drank some beer and talked some more about his world and mine.

  

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If you ever have a problem with an old table... need it dispatched quietly, no questions asked... I can arrange it.
No old tables needing killed here ;).

Ya know, wouldn't it be nice if all such conversations went in such a reasonable fashion? I think maybe you need to print this out and frame it somewhere, it's a rare bird :D.

Rated for never the twain shall meet.
Once again we seem to operate on the same wavelength -- tho in very different planes. I use to own a twelve-guage shotgun and a .308 Winchester with a scope, and I used to go deer-hunting -- until I killed my first deer. Fortunately, someone else was man enough to gut it -- I couldn't bring myself to look at the poor dead creature a second time. That was my last deer-hunting trip, and I sold all my guns shortly thereafter. In short, Nimrod or Joe Bob I ain't.
nice to know people there can kill with hyper-efficiency
Probably both you and Tony would raise your eyebrows at me. I am a bowman. Compared to gun ownership it is inexpensive, legal everywhere, and even quieter than a gun with an “integral suppressor”. My only bow now is a 50-lb fiberglass ‘working’ bow. I’d love to be able to afford a compound bow of some of the new materials that give the same “punch” in a 30-lb draw.

I’ve hunted with that old fiberglass bow for over 50 years and took a two point buck with it once when I was 17 years old. My usual ‘targets’ being the raccoons that raided our family orchard, the deer was a special treat. And yes, I hauled it home and dressed it out myself. An unpleasant chore but necessary.

It was delicious!

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Terrific writing, MTN, really good stuff. And I appreciate the point you're making, but I just can't can't can't understand the gun-loving mindset. Killing things, even tables, just holds no appeal for me. And I've shot clay and cans and fence posts in CO just to be polite and am a good shot. Nothing, just nothing.
For some reason, I didn't peg you for a Diet Coke drinker.
Margaret, truth is I prefer Coke Zero. But I don't mind Diet Coke.
Molotov cocktail is more my style. Still no calories, same great taste, and a little bang for my buck.
Until a few years ago, I lived in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio, and the "City People" there drove me nuts. I can't even begin to contemplate how crazy someone has to be to live in New York City, let alone LIKE it. I'm perfectly Happy to let City People be as crazy as they need to be, so long as they allow me the same respect.
Candace, I don't completely understand the gun culture, either. It would never have occurred to me to purchase a gun if I hadn't inherited one. If state or federal law required me to get rid of it, I'd probably mutter to myself about "overkill", then shrug and get rid of it.

But, you know, that's me in my world. If you spend any time in Red States, and in rural areas of Blue States, people look at it a bit differently. Guns are part of life, for hunting, target shooting and (where I tend to raise an eyebrow myself) home protection. It's the norm in those places - the way people grew up and the way they live now. And that doesn't change easily. And any suggestion that they *should* change meets with resistance.

That, I think I understand, even though I don't agree.

I'll tell you something else. I've got a real feeling of unease about the two solitudes in this country, and how they seem to me to be growing ever farther apart. It worries me, a lot.

So, when I get the opportunity, I just want to try to understand. And I'll tell you something else: People I've met, and people I know in Red States... they're not the cartoons people in my world might think they are - even if we disagree completely about a lot of things.
Being able to respect viewpoints that you don't share is so rare today that I applaud it wherever it happens. I don't understand gun culture, at least the kind the NRA finances and sells. I've never owned a gun, nor will I. That said, I grew up on a farm where guns were present, mostly shotguns since I believe handguns were illegal and also not functional for their purpose. Shotguns were a necessity of life and used mainly to scare off wildlife, and shoot the odd pest. No one in our extended family hunted -- I grew up practically dodging bullets from inept hunters who mostly drove down from the city -- because we did not need to kill wild animals to eat, and never considered it a "sport."

I live in Canada where gun laws are much tougher; in fact, most of the guns used in crimes here originate in the U. S. I don't see the need for an ordinary person to own an arsenal, in fact, I find it downright creepy. As a journalist I've covered a few accidental shootings and trust me, you don't ever want to subject yourself to that kind of grief. I could go on about how stats show unequivocally that guns lead to all kinds of awful outcomes, but I'm not trying to start anything here, so I won't.
Lots of competition .22 pistols are suppressed. The integral suppressor is one of the cooler ideas. It's nice being able to shoot and not have to worry about losing your hearing. They also make the pistol more accurate, since a suppressor is really nothing more than a very efficient muzzle break.
You set the bar high for conversations in which people can disagree profoundly, and remain friendly. I congratulate you for expressing your view point in a way that was forthright, but not rude or hostile, MTN.

I don't have any tabletops that are sassin' me, but I might need you to talk to a few ornery chairs.

rated.
Well done piece. I do not hate people who disagree with me and relish reasoned conversation and a willingness to reach out to other perspectives.

I, for one, cannot imagine not owning a gun and knowing how to operate and care for it properly. Even if shooting is not an activity you enjoy, it is kind of a basic life skill. It happens to be one of my favorite activities and I therefore own a number of different firearms. I am not a hunter. I do eat meat. Killing my own meat is not economical or practical for me. The firearms in my collection have been chosen over the years for their shooting enjoyment mostly and self defense practicality in specific cases. A good defensive pistol class/practice is a highly enjoyable way to spend the day. As a practicing martial artist for the last 30 years or so, I find the defensive aspect of firearms a natural element of the force continuum; just part of the skill set. The focus and mindset is the same. Irresponsible ownership and use of firearms must be dealt with severely. Restricting my rights and those of other responsible owners is not the way to accomplish that. Ignorance of firearms is the biggest contributor to the danger people associate with them. Cars are scary too, mostly because of the relative minority of really bad drivers on the road with the rest of us.

Sometimes, we must agree to disagree. We must respect one another, refrain from generalized insults, and work to dispel our own ignorance.
"People I've met, and people I know in Red States... they're not the cartoons people in my world might think they are"
yeah. that's what makes them really fucking scary. If they were jokes, or unintelligible, they'd be easier to manage.

I want one of those .22s Now that I am no longer suicidal every time the wind blows from the west, east, north (thank you god lithium); I think I might actually get one.
I will not carry it in my purse though. or my car. that is just asking myself to do something stupid. In fact, why do I want one?
...I don't really know, but I know I do.
I am just now getting the opportunity to teach my stepdaughter with her boyfriend to shoot and reload. I'm proud of my gun heratige.

We have enough gun laws just not enough sensable enforsement.
Great piece. I like when I'm stretched beyond my comfort zone of understanding and can honestly, and without judgement, see another point of view. You wrote about that well here. And with a nice dash of humor.
rated.
Having been raised in New York City and then living in rural states such as New Hampshire and Maine, I see the need to respect both sides of this issue.

If you live 10 miles from town and some crazy tries to break into your house, the local cops will arrive half an hour later or long to help. I can see where a weapon for protection is viewed as "normal."

Carrying an AK-47 on the Metro-North from Darien to Grand Central scares me. The denser the population the more access there is to police protection, and the need for a personal weapon decreases in my mind.

The NRA should leave the constitution alone and make it a states rights issue.
I am constantly amazed by "Gun Control" fans: they are so oblivious to their own prejudices. Unlike the rednecks, one can almost assume they are all "educated", and can prove it with prestigious degrees. One of them is proud of never needing a gun for any reason; would she say the same about "Insurance"? And the contemptuous dismissal of facts, such as the constant use of guns to PREVENT crimes. If it were an argument about Evolution, they would not be so careless. And the breathtaking assumptions that go with the idea that we can trust our democratic government, so we don't need to scare them by having too many guns around. And the absurdity of the concept about being faced with criminals: "seconds count, but fear not, the Police are minutes away"! And the mind bending Feminist stance that women should be empowered , yes, but if it comes to fighting with men, they should study Karate, .. or something.
the editor that put this on the cover 'killed the table good'
ume, I'm interested in why you think so. Can you elaborate? Do you have some thoughts about what kinds of things might be a bit more appropriate for the cover?
Probably the most dangerous gun owners are city people who rave about rights but don't know squat about rural living, and the responsibility of gun ownership, land stewardship, and building long term relationships with your neighbors and the wildlife. I live in AZ, and once you about 5 or 10 miles out of "town" there is no cell phone, no police, no neighbor to go to for help and you find yourself having to face the reality of man/wilderness that has always existed and most of us have forgotten. Sad about Jared Loughner (lunatic) but then again, there were so many people carrying in the parking lot, he was taken down quickly before he got more people.
I avoided reading this, despite my respect for your writing, MTN, because I suspected it would be another one of the usual EEEK-and-snark sessions among the hoplophobes here, many of whom I respect for their clear-headedness and intellectual integrity on almost all other issues. I came here by way of LK Walker's blog, which I visit whenever she puts up a new post. I like her wit and writing, as well, and love to tease her about the post she put up awhile back that enraged so many folks who castigated her as if she were the offspring of Chuck Manson and his little dog Squeaky.

Arriving here I was impressed and amused by your post, as I always am, and delightfully surprised by the quality of many of the comments. I won't engage in the merits of this discussion, which is a tad old by now, but I did want you to know I stopped by and was favorably impressed. Still am.
Hey, Matt, thank you very much. It's thoughtful comments like yours that encourage me continue to type this (mostly) silly blog. I sure appreciate it.