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JANUARY 27, 2012 1:04PM

When A Job Offer Is A Joke. And You're The Punchline.

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A few years ago I was desperately trying to get out of a dead end, soul-sucking call center job before I got too complacent and ended up dying, mid-call, with my headset on. After much soul searching, I decided there was only one way to assume command of my future, including my future income, and that way was sales.

I'd done cold-calling before.  I'd also worked a stint as a cemetery sales rep and to my surprise, not only liked it but was good at it.  I figured if I could sell death I could sell anything.

I asked my supervisor for a temporary part time evening schedule so I could have days free for interviewing.   Of course I didn't tell her that; I said I was having family problems. I wanted to hang on to the job in case I couldn't find anything.  The market was pretty rough.

That's how I wound up sitting in a room full of about 30 others just a few weeks later, in a brand spanking new state-of-the-art sales call center, waiting for an orientation session to begin.  We were seated at long tables and the computer in front of me had a script attached to the monitor.  I assumed we'd be practicing a little before training started the following week.

Most of us began filling out the paperwork handed to us as we filed in. Standard stuff, tax forms, direct deposit information, emergency contact phone numbers.

I felt good as I looked around the room.  I hadn't expected to land a job so quickly nor one involving inbound sales, with the leads furnished by the company.   The starting pay was excellent, there was unlimited growth potential, the building was gorgeous and the new hires in the room with me were a mix of male and female, various ethnicities.  Most of them looked to be around my age or older.   I was immensely relieved by this.  I'd been afraid I'd be working with a bunch of 20-year-olds who were faster, smarter and more technically savvy than I was.

Then a woman who introduced herself as Barb entered.   She announced she was with human resources and would be conducting the orientation.   

After she told us a little about the company and we watched a brief video, she pointed to the person closest to her and said, "Stand up and tell us about yourself; your name, your background, what brought you here." 

One by one, the new hires stood and told their stories.  Some of them had been looking for work for a long time; many of them had been laid off from managerial or administrative positions when their previous employers either cut staff or went out of business due to the economy.  

Others had quit jobs to take this one.  They'd been toiling at minimum wage fast food or clerical positions, the only kind they'd been able to find.  They were so grateful for the opportunity to finally have something to sink their teeth into.  Most of them had families.  They were living on the edge.  Getting hired here was the answer to a prayer, many of them said.  They were willing to give 110 percent and do whatever it took to be successful.

The older guy next to me was Russell.  He'd been with a bank for many years until he was let go with a bunch of others due to a department consolidation. His wife had also lost her job.   They were both working as stock clerks for Target to make ends meet, but that hadn't been going so well. He had a kid in college and two in high school.  He and his wife had depleted their savings accounts and liquidated their 401k plans to stay afloat.  They'd borrowed money from family members they couldn't repay.  The house was in foreclosure.

"We went out to eat for the first time in months when I found out I'd gotten this job," Russell told the group.  "We'd prayed about it as a family and it came at exactly the right time."

After we'd all told our stories, Barb thanked us, then said, "Okay, now it's time for the second interview.  We'll dismiss you in pairs."

She quickly left the room and two tough-looking guys in leather jackets  came in and began pointing at people, then ushering them out.  They looked like bouncers.

Russell and I looked at each other in confusion.

"Did she say 'second interview'?" I asked him.

"She sure did," said Russell. "Wonder what she meant by that."

We found out together.  The two of us were herded into an empty conference room where Barb leaned against a table.  She didn't mince words.

"I'm sorry but you two didn't make the cut," she told us.  "We can't offer you a job."

Russell and I both gaped at her.  "You're joking, right?," I said, when I finally found my voice.  "Because I distinctly remember telling Ken, my interviewer, that I accepted his offer," I told her. "We even shook hands," I added lamely.

I glanced at Russell.  He was white as a sheet and perspiring.  "No. No.  This can't be right," he was murmuring.  "I gave my notice at Target for this.  I interviewed with Ken too.  He offered me a job, I never would have quit Target if I didn't have another job lined up."

Barb's lips were pursed together and she was shaking her head.  "No one made you job offers."

"Why don't we call Ken in here," I snapped.  I gave his last name.  "I'm telling you, he offered me a job.  Do you really think we're both that stupid?"  

"We're done talking," Barb said curtly and the two thugs in leather jackets suddenly materialized.  "Do you two need help finding your way out?"

It was surreal.  Russell looked like he was in  another place.  He was talkng to himself and shaking his head. I grabbed his arm and said, "Let's get out of here."  I maneuvered him out of the room and into the lobby, the two guys following on our heels.  What did they think two middle-aged people were going to do?  

As we headed toward the exit, the people from our orientation were streaming out of other rooms in pairs.  Some looked stunned, one or two were openly crying, and one was swearing loudly. 

Russell and I stopped just outside the building where another woman from the session was smoking a cigarette.  "You too?"  she said to us.

"What the hell just went on in there?" I asked her.

She shrugged.  "I have no idea.  Never had anything like that happen to me before," she said.  "But at least I have something else lined up. Not as good as this one sounded but I'm glad I didn't tell them 'no.' "

She stubbed out her cigarette against the company's logo on the glass door and gave the receptionist the finger.

"Feel kinda sorry for some of those others, though.   Pretty shitty what they did to us.  Makes me wonder what kind of scam they're running."  Then she walked away.

Russell looked like he was in a trance.  "Can you drive," I asked him.  After a second he nodded.

"How am I going to tell my family about this," he said, more to himself than to me.  "How am I going to explain this.  They did offer us a job, didn't they?"

"Yes Russell, they offered us jobs," I told him, patting his arm.  He was still sitting behind the wheel of his car, staring straight ahead and talking to himself as I drove away.

Then I went home, called my supervisor and begged her to take me back full time.  It took several weeks.  And because they'd filled my daytime position I was stuck on nights and weekends.  But at least I had a job. 

I never learned what happended or why that company deliberately misled almost 30 people into thinking they were beginning the opportunity of a lifetime.  I don't know what became of Russell or any of them.  

But I do know it's the one and only time I've ever been able to identify with the concept of "going postal." Every time I remembered the stricken faces of the people coming out of the other rooms, and how just minutes before they'd been on Cloud 9, I wanted to jump in my car, go back to that fancy building, and lay waste to it and everyone inside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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One can only hope that this company is no longer in business. I had an interview once and in the midst of the interview the interviewer read her email and then announced that the interview was terminated.
Hmmm... don't know what to make of this, but your description of Russell, his situation, and his reaction is haunting.
This is horrifying. I feel so bad for all of those people - how awful!
Sounds like a load, all right. My sister was going to one of those places, all excited because they told her the high end of what she could earn. I pointed out to her that most were scams, so when she went back the next time, she saw it and left. She was already unemployed, though, so lost nothing by checking it out.

Wonder if anyone went back and postalized 'em.
Wow! Sounds like you're lucky they didn't pistol-whip you, which is a really odd thing to think about a job offer, or hire, or whatever the hell it was that happened there. Wow.
You were supposed to stand up and lie about yourself. Something totally outlandish as a background e.g. "I used to work at the zoo circumsizing elephants. The hours were lousy but the tips were big."
Then you were supposed to snear and shoot the guy next to you a Rodney Dangerfield look.
That's when they would have known you were the type to dial all night from the boiler room looking for what they call "monkeys".

There's the desk
There's the phone
Good luck kid
You're on your own.
I read this and hoped it was fiction. It shouldn't happen. I'm glad you didn't work there because I can't imagine it would have been a good place. Hopefully you found something better. Russell too. Well told.
The corporate underbelly is such an open secret of filth! Small business, big business, it makes no difference. They obviously came prepared to make people upset, a designed intent. People like this know the score and know they can fuck people over and get away with it. But workers are expected to turn a blind eye.

It would be a dream film for me for people across the country to be able tape their job interviews. Then we could unmask this whole "purity of business" mystique we hold so dear.
This story is unbelievable! I find myself thinking that perhaps it was some sort of compliment to you that they didn't think you would fit in there...or perhaps providence...what is it like for those who were "chosen?" EWWWW!! Russell will haunt me...it is making me cry to think of him having to go home and tell his family what happened, wondering how he was going to pay for that celebratory family meal. Sickening....
I too hope this place is out of business. I have heard of this sort of thing happening before. Which is why before I have quit one job to take another, I have insisted on written job offers, even waiting until I had written confirmation that I had EEO/AA approval from the new job first. It's a sad day when a handshake doesn't seal a deal but that day has come for far too many. Including yourself and Russell. So sorry.
Do you suppose "Ken" overhired? Maybe it was an identity theft operation. You all filled out application forms, I assume. Still, why go to all the trouble? Maybe "Barb" got a call saying, "Get rid of them! A couple of them are undercover cops!" Sheesh, now you've got my twisted imagination stoked up.
This is one of those situations where calls to the state Attorney General's office, and to the local news media are absolutely warranted. Perhaps even a lawyer who'd advise and maybe tackle this pro bono. You can be certain that even though you managed to get back to work, that others did not, and that there were more in the chute behind you. I even wonder if it isn't too late. Margaret, you have a great mouth and a smart head, and they surely should not have f*cked with you!
This kind of crap is no longer unusual.

Always - ALWAYS GET A JOB OFFER IN WRITING.

ALWAYS. ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

Happens here in Florida all the time.

Sucks. / r
I had nothing as horrifying as this though I once accepted a job in writing with XXXX amount as bonus potential and on our first day the three new reps were called in and told, "We made a mistake, your bonus potential is XXX, take it or leave it." They forced us to sign new contracts or not have the job. I lasted eleven months.
Such a sad story, Margaret; sad, but too often true. I won't offer any pithy remarks about how you were fortunate not to become involved with a shady outfit like that. Well written, kept me wanting to read morel, although I must admit I was hoping for a happy ending.
Did you ever report these people? This sounds illegal. I wonder what kind of scam they had going. Awful.
OEsheepdog: I wonder if it's possible your interviewer was getting bad news herself, like the company was going under or she was losing her own job. As to your question, unfortunately, the company in this story is still in business. I just googled them, as unpleasant as the memory was and I occasionally have to drive by the building.

trig: The whole experience was haunting, and it took me a long time to get Russell's face out of my head.

Jeanette: It was horrifying to say the least. It was also demoralizing; it took me a long time to get back my confidence and get out there again.

Phyllis: Would it be wrong to say a part of me hoped that's exactly what would happen? The thing is, I'd had an extensive interview two weeks before the orientation. Toured the building with the guy, we stopped to talk to several employees, he showed me where I'd be working. He described the 3-month training program and it sounded solid and comprehensive. The first year salary wasn't exorbitant or too good to be true; it wasn't much more than I was making in my current position. Afterwards I kept asking myself what did I miss, how could I have let myself be fooled like that? But I suppose 29 other people were asking themselves the same thing. Live and learn, I guess.

nanatehay: It was definitely a "wow" experience.

aka: I've worked for a lot of different places and had a lot of interviews for jobs I didn't get, and also for jobs I did get and wished I hadn't. I've never experienced anything like this.

jlsathre: It felt like fiction; bad fiction. And I'm sure it wasn't a good place. I have no idea what happened to Russell or any of the others but after a lot of false starts, things are finally coming together for me. Thank you.

Harry's Ghost: I do wish I'd had a recording or tape of the interview although I'm not sure what difference it would have made. I can say it was as straightforward and textbook an interview as any I've ever had and it lasted a while, over an hour including the tour of the building. I have no idea what kind of game they were playing, but they had to know people were leaving jobs for this gig. And a lot of those people left jobs with health benefits, which was just sickening to me. They could easily have destroyed someone's life and who knows, maybe in some cases, they did.

Jersey Girl: I don't know how many other "orientations" they had but I don't think anyone from ours was hired, not judging by the number of people I watched heading to their cars. It was sickening. I thought I was going to throw up as I drove home.

Mary: The company is still in business. I've never heard of anything like that either although later, I was telling a supervisor at my call center job about it and she mentioned she'd interviewed for a supervisor's position there several years ago. She said the questions they asked her were "strange" and she had a bad feeling about the place. When she was offered the job, she turned it down based on her gut instinct. I had paperwork from the interview (still have it) and it does look like I had an offer of employment. I'm just glad I hung on to my other job.
What an outrage!
Unbelievable.
I'd say I'm glad you got your old job back, but since you began with thinking you might die there with your headset on, I'm not so sure...
I lasted three days as a call center sales person.
I am so not surprised you're good in sales. You likely could sell a grave plot to a cremated....(oh, stop it, Anna).
Poor Russell.
I hope he found himself so relieved he didn't get hired to work for the jerks as he found a much more fabulous job right away....
That's not an impossible scenario...however unlikely these days...
I hope this is all a fading memory for you now and you love your current high-paying job.
PS -- Friday is my personal Positive Spin day. : )
I thought the Telemarketing Firm I worked for were dicks!! EEK!!

TPUSA, youze the best!! ~hugs them~ :D
So many employers are heartless and duplicitous today. I had a terrible experience in my last two jobs. It is disgraceful what they did to you-all.
They must have offered everyone a job, then culled the herd (yes, I'm talking cattle call) and took the top five or something. These people treat people like animals and the thing is, it will be done to them, probably at the next stop. What a racket!
man.. I know Steve worked for call centers for years and its a hard job but this?? They beg for people? Man what a slaughter of lambs!
HUGGGGGGGGGGGG
Horrifying as it is, this paints an accurate picture of "seeking a job in America." This is the way it is, and believe me, the way it has always been, with may be some different details. In fact, some of those collecting their big bonuses on Wall Street as I write probably went through worse than this before they turned. Profoundly painful and very well written, Margaret. R
CM: "Identity theft" briefly crossed my mind. I had the sense to grab my paperwork as they hustled us out of there; I'd filled in my banking information, attached a voided check, my SS# and a copy of my drivers license were in the folder; but a lot of people were so startled they just left it all behind, I guess thinking we'd be coming back to that room. All kinds of things went through my mind too. Did Ken over hire? Maybe but why wait so long to let us know?

greenheron: I made some phone calls; nothing came of them. A friend of mine was so mad she called a couple of the news stations but we never heard back. I was numb too and scared. All I could think was, what if I'd quit my job after I got what I thought was a new and better job.

toritto: I DID get what appeared to be a written offer! I am looking at it now. The wording is a little ambiguous but it reads like an offer of employment. In part, it reads "All offers are on an "at will" basis and are pending reference and background investigations and successful completion of the Orientation Program."

It goes on to say, "Your signature confirms receipt of this letter, a copy of our dress code policy and your intent to begin training on Monday, May 19th."

Even when Barb began speaking, she used phrases that sounded like she was talking to new hires.

I didn't know things like this were commonplace; why does this happen in Florida? What's the point? Isn't it a waste of everyone's time?

Bernadine: That's rotten, just rotten. I don't know how some people live with themselves.

John: I guess the happy ending is I didn't get the job. Who knows what it would have been like working there?

Erica: I've tried and failed to figure out what they were up to. But they're still in business; I hope they don't make a regular practice of this. I like to think maybe we were just flukes. An experiment at our own expense.

Anna: I loved my job in cemetery sales but my family didn't. I was working 7 days a week and thought about it even when I wasn't there. Isn't that freakish? I plan to write about it someday. You wouldn't believe how excited some people get talking about their graves & monuments. Or urns and mausoleum spaces. I am sure I will love my high paying job as Russell Brand's eyebrow groomer; am waiting to hear back from him about my start date.

Tink: They're ALL dicks, even the ones who aren't!

Patrick: "Disgraceful" is a nice way of putting it but yes, it was disgraceful. Getting peoples' hopes up the way they did then treating them like garbage was absolutely nauseating.

scanner: I guess that's what they did but how could they cull the herd after the brief things we said when we were asked to stand up and say a few words? Seems like that was what the interview should have done. It was definitely some kind of racket.

Jane: I wondered if Barb & company ever worried about that happening. I'm guessing that's why she brought in the boys. Surely they knew some people would be angry, especially the ones who'd quit jobs. And I doubt we were the first group they did this to; it was all so smooth and orchestrated.
Margaret, I'm sorry this happened to you--and to the others. At least you knew you weren't alone and you "assigned responsiblity appropriately," as they say. You knew it wasn't your fault. That saved you all from being more deeply traumatized. I think Harry has it right about the ugly corporate underbelly. The have the power, so they can get away with it. When they've got lots of applicants, the gloves come off and their underlying cynicism and contempt for workers comes out in the open. This has become SOP when there's high unemployment and no unions. [R]
Russell Brand's eyebrow groomer?
Think of the over-time!

I get the graveyard thing.
I spent much of my early twenties hanging out in old graveyards, our group thinking we were so avant-garde....and I still think old graveyards have a certain peace, and its occupants a certain immortality, not found elsewhere.
Congrats on your EP Margaret! You probably won't ever forget this - but I hope so. R
This story is the kind of thing that makes me need to believe there really is a hell, because there are a major bunch of people that must be sent there.
you and russell et al were seduced by, let us not mince words,
Satan, to the antechamber of Hell. Glorying in your
discomfort. Revved up by promises from some
evil boss on high
that the secret
of good bizness
is to separate the weak from the strong...
hire the weak....they are ever so compliant...

and thus it goes.

Hired, you woulda been a shell of the margaret we know
and love.


there is a great need, i am beginning to understand, slowly,
that such organizations and people must be utterly
annihilated from the landscape. Or else we are
quite doomed.

OwS i hope will soon come up with such a strategy.

there is no room anymore in a sane psychological landscape
for this. it is not healthy. what is not healthy must be
cut out
or
exposed to intense radiation.
Any chance they were getting some kind of incentive from the state government to "hire" people that made it worth while to do this kind of scam?
Don't you just love the "American Dream". Only it seems to have become a living nightmare.
I want to know the company.

You can tell us.

Meanwhile, if you can sell cemetery lots, you can sell anything.
If you were in a union, your Brothers and Sisters in labor would have retaliated against those managers and against that company. It wouldn't have been pretty. But then again, they would've thought twice about pulling that sort of shit again.

r
And according to them all ,they're a top 100 Telemarketing Firm!! ~:D

Mine was outbound! Mmmmmm......nothing like getting some woman getting banged answering the phone(don't know what was worse, the TSR getting that call or the woman answering the phone while having sex!!! :D)
You need to notify your local SEIU. Plus, join the union.
That has got to be illegal...Did you consult an attorney? Any attorneys out there can comment on this?
OMG. I highly encourage you to contact the attorney general of your state. This is an outrage, immoral, inhumane and probably illegal, too. I'm so sorry you went through that, and my heart breaks for all of the other people who were sent away. That is just the worst example of American Capitalism gone awry. Rated with support.
This is beyond cruel. I actually teared up reading about poor Russell. R.
Stunning and surreal. I am so so sorry. Jesus. ~r
I can't imagine with such shady hiring practices this company hasn't been sued out of existance. I'd tell "Barb" to eat shit and die.
I might be able to top you...answered an ad on craigslist for a writer. I actually knew the guy who posted it. He offered, I accepted, quit my job I had for 2 years, because of the stress of being screamed at all day and cursed at constantly.

Once I started, the guy tells me there isn't any writing at all and that he just wanted someone to make cold calls all day to get him speaking gigs! At $1.00 an hr less than what I was making at the old job being paid as an "independent consultant" which meant NOT getting paid for any holidays, including Thanksgiving!

What was worse, he SCREAMED at me worse than the last guy because no one wanted to buy what he was selling. After 4 months, he hands me my final paycheck, just before Christmas.

He posted a totally misleading ad, I accepted a job that didn't exist and once I left my old place, I was totally screwed.

The job market being what it is, "employers" think they hold all the strings, and choke the life out of hard working people. I've never seen anything like this in the 30+ years I've been in the work force.

So, I started my own business, a speakers bureau for the GREEN industry. I work for myself now. The work is twice as hard, the pay is half as much, and my boss is a bitch, but I've never been happier!!

And NO ONE IS SCREAMING AT ME!!!
What a bunch of low-life's! ad as it was that they'd yanked your chain that way, imagine how horrible it would be to work for them! maybe they showed you around a dummy company formed only for the purposese of gullingd true hopeful and the desperate? It sounds like the joke about Hell's screensaver. but they should never have got away with treating people that way.
Rated
I think I posted my fucked up post yesterday, though I didn't feel like the butt of a joke. I could have, and under other circumstances (or years ago) I would have been more shattered by it. Meanwhile, I am stunned to read of the audacity of cowardice the "recruiters" had in mind, probably still have no idea how the impact of their decision making has reverberated so horribly in the lives of others.
Linda: Great way to put it - a slaughter. That's what it felt like and we were so docile as they led us to it; not even a bleat! Yes, call center work can be brutal whether it's sales or just answering the phone.

Thoth: I hate to think what happened to me is commonplace. Again, I don't know what purpose it served; it seemed to be a colossal waste of everyone's time, including the people who conducted the whole charade. Even with the perspective of a few years I am still just as puzzled by it as when it first happened.

Donegal: Thank you. I did actually blame myself for a short time even though it wasn't rational. I just felt so stupid, like I'd been duped and should have been smart enough to see it coming. I can't imagine how this company found people to do what they did, however. You'd have to be incredibly desperate or the world's biggest douche bag - or both - to treat people who were already down so low, with such utter contempt.

JT: I know, right??? And now he's free of that strumpet Katy Perry! I love cemeteries too, although the one I worked for was kind of a white trash one if you can believe that. Yes there is such a thing and I can sell you a piece of it. Set a spell with me near the algae-filled pond with the mutant ducks, won't you, and imagine spending time - like oh, eternity - beneath the perpetual buzzing of the electrical power lines that criss-cross the place and just on the other side of the abandoned falling down house with all the junked auto carcasses and rusted barrels scattered hither and yon.

For the right price and the right person, it was positively Elysian.

Marilyn: Thank you! And actually I had managed to put it out of mind until I saw the open call and thought at first, gosh I'm lucky nothing bad like that ever happened to me. Then Russell's face sprang into mind.

Mumbletypeg: Hell, yes. Ha ha.

James: Alas, I am already a shell of a woman, a mere husk, buffeted about by the fickle winds of fate. Of course Russell Brand could change that in an instant. I am all for annihilation of companies like this and I'll be happy to light the fuse or, alternatively, strap on the explosives-laden vest and go back just to reminisce. "Hi Barb, remember me cuz I still remember you!" KABOOM!!!

Mark: I thought about things like this. There had to have been a reason; there must have been some kind of incentive. There was too much of a time commitment involved. My interview alone lasted over an hour. The others were probably similar. Also, why go through the charade of having us fill out the new hire paperwork, why tell us to bring in a voided check and copies of our drivers licenses? It had to have been a scam of some kind.

Walter: Yup, the American Dream, dying all around us.
I wonder if barb made a split second decision to cut the applicants based merely on their stories. and then, what was the criteria? one wonders if the worse the background story, the less chance of getting hired. pretty weird stuff.
I'm speechless. This is...beyond words. And damn the local media who couldn't be bothered to look into it...
My brother-in-law got an interview appointment for a similar situation--"selling" some kind of insurance. Luckily he and my sister checked the internet first and found information describing it as a scam. I guess now we know to always do a check first.
I can't fathom what was going on with these folks. Imagine the conference before you all got there. Ruthless Honcho explains to Barb "We've hired these folks but things have changed, force majeur etc. and now we have to rescine the offer. We considered sending them a letter explaining our chanced circumstances and thanking them for taking the time to apply, but Snidely in HR came up with this brilliant solution. We'll put them through a mock orientation and then announce a second interview. Now here's the good part. There won't actually be a second interview. We'll just tell them they didn't get the job after all. Brilliant or what?'

Now I ask you, if someone presented that cockamamie plan to anyone sane, wouldn't they get instantly dismissed, or at least quarantined? What could they have been thinking?
This is so sickening. What the f is wrong with such people? I'm so sorry for you and Ken and all those people. Despise that Barb. Blech on you Barb! And, they made you tell your stories and just what for... kicks? Freaks.
I do have a feeling that those going postal stories are not just those who snap for no good reason.
I thank my fortune for never having had to work for any company, but I've heard of companies who take advantage of the most down-trodden and needy like this. It is simply immoral. I wonder what they do or how they exist.

R♥
Outstanding and important piece of work. This is the new morality. And variations of this very real account are playing out all over the country.

We need Woody Guthrie to come back and put this to music.
Nick: I know, let's play a little word game. 1: What is the opposite of "old"? 2. How about the opposite of "amateur" (shortened version, plural.) Now for the third word, fill in the missing vowels: C_mm_n_c_t_ _ns.

As for selling cemetery lots, or anything, I decided sales wasn't ultimately for me. You have to be a certain type of person to sell and sell hard. I discovered I could be that type of person and I didn't like finding that out about myself. It's one of the reasons I quit that job; it was consuming me.

Rw00g: But there was no union and this is in my past. If there'd been a union, sure, this never would have happened. I've always been pro organized labor.

Tink: I had a call like that once! Selling magazines in college. After I'd given my spiel the furious guy on the other end of the line goes, "Do you know you just interrupted the best f*ck of my life?" I said, "Then why'd you stop to talk to me, asshole? Now what magazine do you want." Click.

Linnnn: It is very hard to prove. There was nothing really binding. I made a few phone calls but nothing came of it.

Deborah: I never thought about contacting the Attorney General. I'd done that once before when I got ripped off on a patio; the sales rep took half the payment and never came back. The AG sent me lots of paperwork which I dutifully filled out and returned and then, nothing. It can be discouraging and long-term and after a while you have to move on. I can see how someone can really get caught up in something like this but I didn't have it in me. Maybe if the stakes had been higher.

Blacklilly89: I thought about Russell for a long time after this happened. And some of the others too. One of the younger people shared that she'd dropped out of college to take this job because her mother needed a kidney transplant and couldn't work anymore. She wanted to help pay for the transplant when it happened. Remembering some of those stories and those faces burned a hole in my brain for a while.

Joan: Yes it was stunning and surreal. And shitty. Just plain shitty.

asia rein: Very hard to understand how they could get away with this but believe it or not they are still in business. As far as saying anything to Barb, it all happened so fast I was lucky to say what I did. My head was spinning. And then there were those "bouncers," showing us, or rather shoving us, to the door.

Raven: Your "boss" is a bitch! Hahahahaha!!! Yeah, I think you've got me topped. How great though that you struck out on your own and made a success of it. Yup, employers do hold all the strings and you're lucky you're pulling your own now even though the work is harder and the pay is less. And you've never been happier. Good for you I kind of feel vindicated by your story - thank you!

Shiral: They were lowlifes alright. Well-dressed, smooth, convincing, slimy lowlifes.

Oryoki: I read & commented on your post. That jerk who interviewed you was also a lowlife in my opinion. And yes I do think about how what that company did to all of us must have reverberated through some of those people's lives, maybe even now, over 3 years later. I don't know what it would have done to me if I hadn't kept my other job or hadn't been able to return, full time.
I agree with Chicken Maan. It sounds like an Identity Fruad scam. It pays to researcha company before you do business with them.
If they were seeking two and sucked in 30 under false pretenses, that sucks. Is it possible they were "complying" with an order to seek new hires? Could be a market research exercise on response to job rejection.

Reporting them to gov agencies is often an exercise in futility, but should be done to show due diligence for the real attention getter: telling this story to local news media and asking for "an investigation." They love nothing better than a scandalous scam, especially in todays economy.
OMG, that must be criminal. How disgusting! It could have been an identity theft operation or something, because it makes no sense whatsoever!

I wonder how much cocaine is being consumed by people in these workplaces.
OMG, that must be criminal. How disgusting! It could have been an identity theft operation or something, because it makes no sense whatsoever!

I wonder how much cocaine is being consumed by people in these workplaces.
Regarding your last sentence: Understandably! I was hoping this was fiction ... but in a world that mimics TV, I know this happened. It's important the truth of this reality be exposed. F**ckers!
vzn: Pretty weird stuff. I'll never know what they were up to or if they're still at it.

Myriad: When it was all said and done, yes, I was speechless too. Nothing much to say.

MWG: I did check them out on the internet! I thought I'd done everything right. I'm glad your brother-in-law didn't get suckered.

Abra: Your explanation is as plausible as anything I can come up with. It defies logic but maybe that's exactly the way it went down.

fernsy: Yes, the "telling our stories" part was the worst. I wish they'd just told us at the door, "we changed our minds, sorry but there is no job" and slammed it in our faces. It would have been more humane.

Fusun: Funny you should say that because one of the guys mentioned he'd taken the job because his previous position was shady, scamming elderly people over the phone, and he couldn't live with himself doing that kind of work. Can you imagine how he felt? Maybe he thought God was paying him back, poor sap.

Chicago: I'm sure Woody could write a great song about it. He certainly wouldn't be lacking for material these days.

Trudge: You just never know and yes, researching a company is very important. I've always done it just so I can sound semi-intelligent in the interview.

Sally: I don't know what they were up to. If it was a market research study, that's a pretty flagrant way to conduct one. And again, it happened very quickly. They hustled us all out of there in record time.

zuma: You wonder "how much cocaine is being consumed." Ha! Never thought of drugs. Maybe it was some kind of front for a major trafficking operation and they were weeding us out to see who had kingpin potential. I guess I don't.

Scarlett: Non-fiction, unfortunately. And I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a few scary and violent fantasies for a brief while.
Wow. That takes the proverbial cake. There is a circle in Dante's Inferno waiting for people like that. That is just wrong.
it may be hard to prove, but it's clear that they misrepresented the job and the offer to those of you who were let go, and that's not legal. you may not have had a provable civil case, but i would have gone to the local district attorney with that story. maybe you did. that kind of crap should be prosecuted.
Business is BRUTAL. I know they had armed guards to usher out the people who were fired from the company where I worked. I was glad to quit. Reminds me of the George Clooney movie where he was the fellow who flew all over the country firing people. Devastating to be fired and not really hired. How terrible!!
You never know what goes on behind closed doors Margaret.
After reading this twice and then the comments....I wonder if somehow a financing deal fell through.
Like maybe they were going to expand an office or branch of some production line but waiting on the check from the bank for financing the operation, and then the bank with held the funds.
Business deals fall through the abyss all the time on lack of money to finance the 'expansion'.
I don't know, of course, and obviously neither does anyone else.
Just my take.
I am underwhelmed by the company.

It explains some of the weirdness of this.

Big, public companies -- HR rationale is to keep them from getting sued. Which is all about compliance.
Let's hear the name of the company. I'll give them an electronic piece of my mind.
My god. Linda's "Slaughter of lambs" is spot-on. Someone thought maybe a deal fell through, but why then the cruelty of having people get up to tell their stories? "Get the job offer in writing" from another commenter - also spot-on. What ever happened to good-faith handshakes? I'm still shuddering.
Keep thinking about this and trying to figure it out. My take is that like Mission said some financing fell through. Then, they panicked that they'd get sued so they awkwardly and(quite evilly) set up some bogus interview thing where they could make it look like you all were lying about Ken actually hiring anyone. " I mean why would we conduct this new interviews if he'd hired them. They're crazies! Loco I tell you."
And, then they could cite something said in those "interviews" to make it look as it there was some reason. Otherwise, the interviews and the man power used for that whole set up ...
It doesn't make any good sense either way but from my experience bad people will go to great lengths to avoid lawsuits. And, you all had a class action suit here. Probably wise not to mention their name because they sound ruthless. As for reporting to government agencies: So futile it hurts. So many con jobs and horror stories they either don't care to or can't keep up.
Local press? Any press? Same story. Backlog of such stories. If it doesn't have sex or murder very unlikely they will bother.

Terrible truths you learn when SCREWED.
Icky. Totally. And I at first thought illegal, too...until you say the paper they gave you said pending "successful completion of the Orientation Program." I agree with the notion they were testing you all, probably looking for the craziest monkey, and certain kind of personality type that would do something shady for them. It sounds like they've got their legal asses covered...but I think most would agree this kind of behavior is unethical. Too bad there isn't a Better Business Bureau for employees...there's the EEOC, but this isn't clear discrimination...maybe might qualify for harassment, though: http://www.eeoc.gov/employees/coverage.cfm
If shit was worth something, poor people would be born without aRseHoles...........
Wow, I'm ashamed to share a name with anyone who could treat other humans so badly. Your story, and Russel's, will stick with me a very long time.
I believe they were hiring you to be pretexters - people who call and use a pretext (they are from your bank, they are taking a survey, etc.), to gather information from people to open bank accounts and get mortgages in your name. It's good you grabbed your paperwork. I'm sure that they were listening to see who was willing to sell their soul for $30,000 a year, and you didn't make the cut. These people should be reported and investigated.
Whut the...??!! What a horror of a tale, and one that leaves more questions. Of you, of everyone involved. Corralled? If there were no 'entry fees,' the Identity Theft card comes to my mind too. Thugs? They actually had THUGS! Maaaan. I am happy you could retain your job, and I will be cautious in my own applications now; this is scary. Congrats on the EP! Well deserved. R.
get all vigilante up on them
That is truly an unfortunate experience. I have something similar to share but not quite as bad and it is the same company I work for (almost 3 years later). It is a commission-only sales job and in the beginning during orientation, we all had at least two weeks to prove ourselves, that we can follow orders and start making some minimal #'s to keep our seats. So outside of one guy who fell asleep during the orientation while the CEO was talking, we all returned the next day.
However, every Friday, they picked people off their seats and we knew they were never coming back. It was very unnerving.
Somehow I made it and got through their boot camp. I now do pretty well and have a database of clients. So I've been able to keep my job, get full benefits and also work on all my side stuff, i.e. the website I have now. In the beginning, however, there was no sense of comfort but I was told by the senior account executives to just do exactly what they say, show them you want to be there, and keep making those calls. There was no exact science, some of it was just luck (we weren't given the best leads in the beginning).
What YOU describe is definitely a bit worse. I'm sure it makes you appreciate your own dead-end job a bit more. I'm just writing this because I've experienced many offices that are commission-only and that is probably the most inhumane I've heard of.
Maybe one day, when the time is right, you will find something that fills your soul more...
froggy: I hope you're right about Dante's circle and if it does exist I sure hope it's a big one because there are a lot of people who belong there.

Candace: They did misrepresent the job offer; Ken, my interviewer offered me the position. We discussed the start date, the training, the dress code, the attendance policy, when the benefits would kick in. He asked all the standard interview questions. Was it illegal? I don't know; after what happened I wasn't in a frame of mind to pursue it too hard. I certainly didn't want a job there after that. Maybe if I'd given up a job I would have had more incentive but it was such a shocking experience I didn't want to think about it. Also, toritto says this happens in Florida all the time. I don't how that can be if it's illegal, as appalling as that is, but apparently companies have found ways around it.

zanelle: Fired Before Being Hired would have been a good title for this! I think we all should have at least been entitled to unemployment. I didn't catch the George Clooney movie but did you ever see the Cheers episode where Norm becomes the hatchet man for his company because he's so good at it he cries and makes the people he's firing feel sorry for HIM? It was hilarious.

Mission: That may have been the case; I suppose there's plenty of explanations for what occurred. Any way you slice it though, it was wrong.

Nick: Oh well, live and learn. I've gone in a different direction since then and the whole crappy experience may actually prove valuable in the long run.

elegantmistake: Nick asked the same thing in his first comment; see my response to him and you'll have no problem figuring it out.

snippy: Exactly, why didn't they just meet us all at the door? Why bother with everything else, especially showing us the video that described the company's history and also - why have us fill out all the new hire paperwork with our personal information including banking info? What was the point of that?

fernsy: Screwed; another good title for this. Yeah, too bad there was no sex or murder involved. I thought it would have been cool if someone had had a heart attack while getting the bad news and they'd had to call 911 and have the squad show up. That might have made the news. If you really want to find out the name, read my response to Nick's first comment.

Helvetica: Yeah, the wording was ambiguous. They knew what they were doing, I have no doubt of that. And I don't think it was the first time either.

CreekEnd: They'd die quicker too because they wouldn't be able to eat. Although with the sky-high cost of toilet paper, it has a certain appeal.

Barb: Don't feel bad; that wasn't her real name. Russell's was, though.

Wren: Now that's an interesting theory. And I did hear some people demanding their paperwork back before they left. I've never heard of pretexters but I wonder if that's really what they were up to.

Songbird: Yes they actually had thugs and do be careful; I hope this serves as a warning to anyone in the job market because it doesn't sound like this is only place pulling stunts like this.

amusements711: I am sure I am not the only one who was tempted at the time.

NicoleTV: Wow. What you describe has got to be almost as brutal in its own way, picking people off like that. It sure sends a loud and clear message, doesn't it? Kind of like having to perform at 110% with a sword hanging over your head. Dead-end job is a thing of the past; I'm moving in a different and more satisfying direction now and if I'd gotten that job I doubt I'd be where I'm at now so ultimately it was a good thing. At least for me.
This absolutely broke my heart. I hope that the reason the company did this horrible thing is that it found out that it was failing, shortly after hiring you guys. That way, though you all had to suffer, at least they went down, too.
Reading that this company is still in business brought a wicked little smirk to my face. Given the state of our economy, and the pain it has brought so many job seekers, it is just a matter of time before someone pays a return visit to these people after being so unceremoniously screwed. They will be carrying a gun or two, with murder in their eyes. In short? Ken, Barb and the gruesome twosome don't have long to live. And when it goes down, you'll know better than to believe the bullshit in the media about how all the dead were "heroes" and "wonderful people", or that the shooter was some kind of demonic nut. You'll know the truth.
That's terrible -- criminal. After reading this I don't think I'll be able to forget Russell either.
Alysa: They did not, unfortunately. Yes, it was heartbreaking and infuriating too, that people could be so very callous.

Rob: I truly hope that would never happen, although when you screw with others the way they did I would think someone would worry about it only being a matter of time before they messed with the wrong person. What I do hope is that they don't make a practice of this malevolent mistreatment anymore. This occurred almost 4 years ago so maybe things have changed. And perhaps "Barb" and "Ken" are no longer there; maybe they had a convulsion of conscience.

Bellwether: I wish it was criminal; astoundingly, it doesn't appear that it was.
This country is getting meaner all the time, and I don't know what to do about that.
I had a similar experience even though it didn't get to the level of this experience, I'll tell it.

I applied for a job that I seemed to be a close fit for. At the interview, I learned that with this company the first six months on the job you were a contractor and not an employee. At the six months mark you were "evaluated" before becoming an employee.

It soon appeared that "evaluated" meant that you re-applied for the job and were considered along with other new applicants for the position. The position I was applying for was for one that someone was already in the job but was being made to re-apply for his or her own job. If I were found to be a better candidate, he or she would be out and I'd be in for my six months.

I was not hired but I was not the only applicant. To this day, I always wished that I had just stood up and walked out. But, I was disparate for a job and didn't.

I've thought since then that what was probably going on was a scheme to not have to pay benefits by always having everyone in a "probationary" status. I also guess that someone thought they were terribly clever in using that hiring practice.
I'm with you. That would have to be justifiable homicide. R
Hi Margrete,
I can only say one word that best describes the job market "bogus." Many of the jobs are not real, you are truly lucky to communicate with someone who knows what he or she is talking about. If you go to a Craigslist, I feel as though it is a trap, many of the jobs are for people who are younger, prettier, smarter, than 1% the other 99% can sit and read and re-read what they should do. It is a disturbing reflection on how jobs are either disappearing, or still being out sourced. For the countless numbers of people that are working, they also pray that their jobs will not suddenly disappear do to down sizing or the economy. It is really a peculiar sense of branches that empower companys to regulate how they can go about bamboozleing people and getting away with it. The company should be reported to the Better Business Bureau, this by the way recently happened with a select group of high school graduating seniors, I belive it was in the Bronx N.Y. they were offered opportunities to apply to the colleges of their choice where they would be offered entrance. They were sent Congratulatory e-mails that they had been accepted, only for about half-hour latter to be taken back with letters of regrett. This has been on the news, as should "Ken" and the rest of the people that made it such a disenhearting experience.
That's sick beyond belief. I can only hope that the people responsible for that type of torture will rot in hell.
As an HR person who's done hiring at different places for 20 years, that sucks! I have never heard of anyone doing things that way before. No wonder applicants are sometimes so inexplicably unprofessional - taking a job and then just not showing up, or taking a job and changing their mind at the last second. If that's how they've been treated elsewhere, they probably don't feel like they owe me a thing!
1) Congrats on the front page! 2) though highly morbid, your opening sentence was hilarious 3) Did you get them on tape making you the job offer? Because you would be a rich woman if you did.
Those were some sick people running that company. Well told as usual, Margaret.
How demoralizing! And sadistic.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I wish we could tell these people off instead of just venting about it here. Oh, wait! We can: http://www.newpros.com/contact.html
Super insightful post, although I'm terribly sorry for all of the persons deceived in this manner. Think god for the ability to broadly share this story...it's a sign of the times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYCvSntOI5s
Absolutely monstrous! I went to their website and they certainly look legit, although what it is that they "do" exactly is rather unclear. I'm mystified that they had people stand up and relate personal stories and fill out actual paperwork, although I do understand why they took you out of the room in pairs to give you the bad news. If they'd just announced it to the whole room, they'd have been outnumbered and I'm sure they didn't want to risk that after the way they treated everyone. Unreal!
R for suRReal
Until recently, I've been pretty much working in some form or another since I was old enough to sell lemonade and Kool-Aid on the corner. I have done I don't know how many jobs. My bio lists a fair number of the ones that I had a "real" paycheck from and I've done so many more than those of just about anything you can imagine.

To say that your story shocked me, understanding what I just wrote above, should be indicative. I thought, after all the crap I've had to deal with and go through, all the backstabbing, inter-employee politics, soap operas, dramas, stupid, lazy and vindictive supervisors, etc, that I've gone through in all that time, that I just couldn't be shocked and angered by what someone else told me when it came to shitty things at the job.

I was wrong.

I would definitely encourage, even after all this time, you to see if you can locate others that were on that fateful day and get someone interested in hearing your stories. It may not make the "film at eleven" level of importance, but perhaps you can make a dent in the trouble companies (and people) like this can cause to those honestly and earnestly seeking employment -- only to be told, "Fuck you very much, there's the door, Buh Bye."

I'm half tempted to "go postal" on behalf of all those others and yourself.

--rrRrr--
I can't believe I am still in shock over this!
By the way, I FB shared this as well.
I read this story after it just came out and really thought I left a comment. Maybe I was in so much shock I only thought it. Now it seems there really is nothing more to say that others haven't except I am truly sorry... the bastards should be dealt with somehow. -R-
Patrick: Just keep doing what you're doing, being your own sweet self. It makes more of a difference than you think.

Steve: I've heard of those kinds of jobs and it does sound exactly like what you suspect; a way for a business to get out of paying benefits. It is clever, diabolically clever, keeping desperate people hanging on like that and pitting employees against each other. Just terrible.

Rodney: It's not too far-fetched in this day and age to assume that some of those people had been looking for work for a long time and might have been close to the edge. It's not justifiable of course but I can easily see how a situation like that could be the last straw for someone.

MOMSACOMIC: I don't know about Craigslist - there was a tragic experience here in Ohio recently about a bogus job offer on that site which resulted in the deaths of two men - but I'm sure the internet is rife with all kinds of scammers, preying on the unemployed. You can't be too careful is the moral of my story, I suppose. One of them, anyway. Not familiar with the story of the Bronx students; what was the point of it? Did they have to pay an application fee or anything like that?

bikepsychobabble: We can only hope, right? Or if not hell, at least the thing about what goes around comes around.

Laura: It's nice to hear the take from someone on the other side of the desk. Maybe that means what happened to Russell and me is rare. I don't know why some job candidates are so rude and clueless. Trying to find the best candidate for a job can't be an easy thing either. I'd love to read some of your stories; I imagine you could tell some doozies.

CP: Thank you! Good to see you. I'd have to guess you've never worked in a call center, especially a high-volume call center. There's a reason many of them have extremely high turn over rates; at times you want to literally rip your ear off. It's a stressful job. No I didn't record the interview; that would never have occurred to me, but I sure wish it had. I would have loved to see the look on Barb's face when I told her I had a tape as I sashayed out of the room and added that I was on my to a local TV station with it.

Pauline: I agree; I think you'd have to be a little off in the head to do something like that. Maybe some sociopathic tendencies as well.

Andrea: It was very sadistic.

mtnrkl: Ummm....

Robert: Thank you for your comment; will watch the vid after I finish responding.

Unbreakable: I think you're absolutely right about why they dismissed us the way they did; there probably would have been a riot otherwise. Filling out that paperwork and relating our stories made absolutely no sense. It just reinforced the notion that we were "official" and made what came next even more surreal. Maybe it was done to keep us off-balance. They do look legit; I checked the site before I went to the interview. He explained in more detail what the job involved but yes, it is vague sounding on the website.

dunniteowl: Never say never, right? What I related happened in 2008; I guess at this point I would like it more than anything to be a cautionary tale to others looking for work, as discouraging as that sounds - just adding another worry to someone who may already be very worried. The thing is, I'm not sure what I would have done differently if I could do it over - except of course maybe taping the interview. Even then, I don't know how far that might gotten me. And thank you for FB sharing it!

Christine: Thank you for still commenting; it's nice to read the outrage so many people feel. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who felt like a fool after leaving that place. One thing I haven't mentioned is, after telling my family and friends I'd gotten another job and being so excited about it, it was embarrassing to tell them what happened. I thought, well at least I'm not the only one, because all those others were probably telling their families the same thing. But I still didn't feel any better about it.
All I can say is...wow. What a horror story. I'm thinking of jumping into the soup on this topic...but ...for some reason my brain just seizes on the subject. Will sort out for another time. Glad you have found work... Writing so well.
Time for a 60 Minute of 20/20 investigation.
Terrible story. Why don't you name the company?
That place really does need to be investigated. What if you were to email links to this blog to the local news organizations, attorney general's office and, as others have suggested, 60 Minutes and 20/20? Include the name of the company for them. You just know there's something really dastardly going on there. Maybe they're testing the waters for a new Soylent Green plant or, worse, a subsidiary of Halliburton or BOA.
You see, even "Chicken" can name names.

I didn't slog through all the comments, but is it conceivable that no one is calling for the identity of this terrible company?
Gordon, if you care enuf why don't you "slog" thru the comments and find out? I'll give you a little hint: you will find the name of the company if you so bother.
Vivian: Of course you'd jump into the soup but what kind? How about a nice beef barley? I've been craving that lately. Or maybe chicken & rice. Just made that. Soup makes everything better - even a job loss!

Antoinette: I wish.

Gordon: oh KAY Gordon, I may as well note it - it is called New Pros Communications. And is still in business.

CM: I think Wren Dancer had what I now believe is answer to what they were doing; it also explains why they'd want us to fill out our personal information. I was talking to an employment specialist today and mentioned the story to him; he looked up the company and immediately said that's what he thought they were up to: pretexters, selling "new hire" personal information. Diabolical, he called it. I'd agree.
Russell and I stopped just outside the building where another woman from the session was smoking a cigarette. "You too?" she said to us.
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