
During 1988’s second Presidential Debate, CNN’s Bernard Shaw served up the most memorable moment of the campaign by getting up close and personal. He asked Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis, a death penalty opponent, “If Kitty Dukakis [the candidate’s wife] were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer?"
Several commentators at the time thought Bernard Shaw’s question was unfair, because it injected an irrelevant emotional element into the discussion of a policy issue.
Even though Dukakis’ has always displayed a reserved demeanor, many observers assailed the candidate because his answer lacked the
emotion one might expect of a person asked about a loved one's violent death.
In the intervening years, Dukakis has been asked about his response to the question. Although he criticized Shaw for asking him such a question, Dukakis has since acknowledged the emotionally tepid nature of his response.
The death penalty became an issue during the campaign because of William “Willie” Horton, a convicted murderer who was released through a controversial Massachusetts weekend furlough program while Dukakis was governor. (In fact, the furlough program was signed into law by Republican Governor Francis Sargent in 1972. And prison furlough programs had been long established in California during the governorship of Ronald Reagan. But unlike the Massachusetts program, California never allowed furlough for convicted murderers sentenced to life in prison.)
Horton never came back. Instead, he went to Maryland, and ultimately committed assault, armed robbery and rape.
A political ad supporting George H.W. Bush evoked the Horton case because of Dukakis’ support of the program. Beginning on September 21, 1988, Americans for Bush, part of the rightwing National Security Political Action Committee (NSPAC), began running a campaign ad entitled "Weekend Passes," using the Horton case to attack Dukakis.
Republicans picked up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, often evoking it in campaign speeches. Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater, accurately predicted that "by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name." One media consultant enthusiastic about using Horton in ads noted "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it." (That spin doctor was Roger Ayles, currently Spinmeister-In-Chief of Fox News.)
If Shaw’s question to Dukakis was fair and reasonable, one might wonder how a candidate who opposes the death penalty should respond to such a question.
Today, he or she would evoke the execution of Troy Davis, the new windstorm fanning the flames of outrage against capital punishment.
Davis became an international cause célèbre because of numerous substantive
questions about physical evidence and changes from a majority of the prosecution’s witnesses.
Evoking Davis in this context is easy to do. After all, noting the strong possibility that our justice system executed an innocent man can certainly pack a punch.
Using Davis’ execution as a tool in the fight against the death penalty itself also seems to be the right thing to do.
But is it? Evoking such a questionable and lawfully perverted capital case may not be the proper way to oppose the death penalty itself.
If the death penalty is unconditionally wrong, then - like it or not - it must be wrong for the most depraved, irredeemable and rightfully convicted murderer anyone can imagine.
Such a homicidal criminal emerged this summer in Cleveland. Anthony Sowell was convicted on multiple counts of rape, torture and murder.
The prosecution had numerous credible witnesses. The physical evidence was substantive, abundant and unimpeachable. Sowell has been sentenced to death.
In this case, the judge had the option of reducing the sentence to life in prison without chance of parole. Instead, he accepted the jury’s recommendation that Sowell be sentenced to death.
As if to vacuum up any speck of moral ambiguity, Judge Dick Ambrose imposed 11 death sentences.
The courtroom erupted in applause when it was announced that the Anthony Sowell jury had unanimously recommended the death penalty, and again when
the judge announced the sentence.
In Cleveland, Ambrose is actually better known as a former standout linebacker for the Cleveland Browns. His nickname during his football career was “Bam Bam.”
Many family members of Sowell's victims said they forgive him, even though they still pressed for the death penalty. One ended her testimony by joyously proclaiming “Dead man walking!” as if it was Sunday morning at church and she was shouting "Hallelujah!"
After the sentencing, prosecutor Bill Mason acknowledged that an appeal would be automatic, and that the entire process, from sentencing to injection, might take more than ten years.
Sowell’s is an ideal case to consider in the context of the death penalty because of the numerous victims, the savagery of his crimes, and the absence of even a hint of doubt that he committed the crimes.
When Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis that famous question, the candidate had to fight both sides in a wrestling match whose opponents were his moral opposition to the death penalty and the greatest possible challenge to that moral position… what one would likely feel towards someone who raped and murdered a loved one.
Dukakis had to answer Shaw’s question on the spot, and before the eyes of the world. Perhaps if he had a moment to ponder such an insane question, he might have explained that one of a justice system’s purposes is to replace the emotion that might have driven him to commit an act of revenge on his own.
The challenge is to create a system that dispenses justice, while simultaneously preventing injustice. It sounds simple, until a society has to define what is and is not just in every specific circumstance. That challenge can only be met after a society’s lawmakers understand what is just.
In this regard, killing another person seems pretty clear-cut. It’s just wrong.
Always.
It’s so unquestionably wrong that our legal system ranks the severity of just about every imaginable way to kill someone, from involuntary manslaughter to aggravated murder
Therefore, any moral and ethical arguments for granting the justice system a special dispensation - a license to kill - had better be as unimpeachable as the pure evil of executing a man for a crime he did not commit.


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If one wants to consider capital punishment to be a reasonable stand for government to take…that also can be a position based on decent moral and ethical grounds.
Either position can be perverted…and often is.
To suggest as you do, Mark, that the question is so clear-cut in favor of the position you are taking is an affront to the intellect and reasoning power you often show on other issues.
Killing another person is NOT always wrong—and the context of that assertion can easily include what just happened in Georgia.
Said another way: I disagree with you here.
Well, somewhat MORE objective way.
So the question of what you'd want if your wife were murdered is NOT RELEVANT. The question is what you'd want if some stranger were murdered, that is, a standard for all.
Dukakis actually should have been faster on his feet....except that politicians are never supposed to be honest but have to (quick quick) think of what the *proper* political response would be.
You say that it's "clear cut," but what is your argument? You argument seems to be "because I said so." If you actually have an argument I'd like to see it.
You say that it's "unquestionably wrong," but why then do so many people support the death penalty? Not all of those people are bloodthirsty or vengeful. Many who support the death penalty do so because they believe that certain crimes are so horrific that justice demands the execution of the guilty.
It's not a rational belief. If it were rational, we'd look at it objectively. Objectively there's ample proof that mankind is not deterred in any measure by punitive measures post action. If that were so, then the past 40 centuries of being put to death for killing someone else would have put the kaibosh on murder -- objectively speaking.
Obejctively speaking, if the death penalty were effective at prevention, then people would be wailing and gnashing of teeth, tearing their robes to sackcloth in fear of even the thought of committing such an act, no matter the heat of the moment. And they would immediately turn in their sons, fathers, daughters, mothers, husbands, wifes, brothers and sisters as soon as they knew the truth of their heinous acts of murder. Objectively speaking that is.
Objectively speaking, the facts of people hiding their actions from their relatives, people protecting their relatives and people not being stopped for fear of that state directed retribution means that the death penalty in and of itself is useless to society as a means of justice.
Based on that, then the merits of the death penalty at all are moot. The action of state sanctioned killing in cold blood, for that is exactly what an execution is, holds no satisfaction for society. It may hold satisfaction for the family and friends of the victims, but this is not the objective of law or justice in society.
Lastly, if we are a nation of laws and not men, then justice is not served by acting like men in matters of law. We must, as a people, as a society and as a nation rise above our base human natures and desire for retribution. No matter the desire to take an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life, it cannot lay claim to a righteous moral high ground.
If killing is wrong, then it's wrong. If murder is something society and the law cannot condone, then it cannot sanction it for itself and leave others to twist in the wind, fry in the chair, die in the gas chamber or to slip off this mortal coil from a lethal injection.
We can try, investigate and possibly even exonerate the person who kills in self-defense. We might be able to place a purposeful killer in jail for X number of years if they can show mitigating circumstances. We can even put cold blooded murderers in jail for life, because it would be a just punishment to spend the rest of one's days locked away from the rest of society as recompense for cold blooded murder.
And if we kill our cold blooded murderers for premeditation and calculation, then who do we kill for killing a killer in cold, calculated, premeditated murder by law?
However, this isn't an ideal world and enough experience has shown that we do sometimes get it wrong and convict the condemn the innocent and that is the moral crime that our society should never make.
On the same day that Troy Davis was executed, Texas executed a man who was clearly guilty. It was just as wrong for him.
As a supporter of the Innocence Project, I am disheartened by how few people are truly shocked by the number of who have ended up on Death Row only to be exonerated by DNA evidence. That alone should tell people that capital punishment is wrong.
More importantly, juries will almost always convict. As an attny, I did not do criminal law. But I watched part of the criminal sex abuse trial of the parents of the victim that I represented in the custody part of the case. A former client was a juror. I asked her after the trial, what convinced her of their guilt. Her reply was that when she saw the man walk in the courtroom "I just knew in my gut he was guilty". Well maybe her gut was responding to his Latino heritage. Maybe just have the defendant walk in front of the jury and take a poll. The parents were later released from prison because of a screw-up of the judge and not retried. But the little girl was safe w/ her grandmother.
When jurors "trust their gut" to determine guilt, i.e. life or death, the system is broken.
My belief is that when someone is put to death, it's all over. No more pain, no more suffering. I'd rather see a murderer spend a very long life behind bars. A rapist might just be subjected to rape by an inmate. That's a fine punishment. No torture please, nor whatever euphemism they use, just maybe let him see life outside on a regular basis while knowing he'll never get out.
The expense of a long life behind bars would be offset by the reduced number of appeals. Let those guilty bastards suffer and the innocent have a chance to prove it. I've never understood why a District Attny would not want to know the truth. Why are they happy to have a conviction even if wrongful? But that's another issue
The deterrence effect of the death penalty isn't that it deters all murders, just that it deters some individuals. A number of academic studies in the last ten years have found that the death penalty does deter some potential murderers. Some of these studies were based on an analysis of what happened in states that imposed a temporary moratorium on the death penalty.
In addition to the studies, individual anecdotes support the thesis that the death penalty does deter. For example "New York Law School Professor Robert Blecker recorded his interview with a convicted murderer. The murderer robbed and killed drug dealers in Washington DC., where he was conscious that there was no death penalty. He specifically did not murder a drug dealer in Virginia because, and only because, he envisioned himself strapped in the electric chair, which he had personally seen many times while imprisoned in Virginia."
I believe introspection is at the core of civilizations comprising collective which all do… surviving and progressing….forget also the linchpin of actualization and happiness. I believe a shocking dearth of this propensity is at the heart of most evils.
I learn important things from my subjective responses to events.
Despite I am an educated, perpetually thinking, by all accounts enlightened progressive, when I learned the specifics of Mr. Brewer’s crime---one of his colleagues in this evil is on death row---and that he had been executed, forget in the state now marked by execution as near wanton activity…..I felt shockingly gratified and palpably relieved.
I submit those who support Capital Punishment (or any other the end justify the means beliefs) with alacrity, are unwittingly---unwittingly being the operative word--- defending against their own pain and feelings of vulnerability exactly as I was in my response to the Texas execution after identifying with the victim in the above, unimaginable crime.
We can debate the issue logically and academically until the Pope gets married and elephants fly; not until more people are moved by default/reflex chase unalloyed truth WITHIN will anything change in this or many other arenas.
I believe introspection is at the core of civilizations comprising collective which all do… surviving and progressing….forget also the linchpin of actualization and happiness. I believe a shocking dearth of this propensity is at the heart of most evils.
I learn important things from my subjective responses to events.
Despite I am an educated, perpetually thinking, by all accounts enlightened progressive, when I learned the specifics of Mr. Brewer’s crime---one of his colleagues in this evil is on death row---and that he had been executed, forget in the state now marked by execution as near wanton activity…..I felt shockingly gratified and palpably relieved.
I submit those who support Capital Punishment (or any other the end justify the means beliefs) with alacrity, are unwittingly---unwittingly being the operative word--- defending against their own pain and feelings of vulnerability exactly as I was in my response to the Texas execution after identifying with the victim in the above, unimaginable crime.
We can debate the issue logically and academically until the Pope gets married and elephants fly; not until more people are moved by default/reflex chase unalloyed truth WITHIN will anything change in this or many other arenas.
I believe introspection is at the core of civilizations comprising collective which all do… surviving and progressing….forget also the linchpin of actualization and happiness. I believe a shocking dearth of this propensity is at the heart of most evils.
I learn important things from my subjective responses to events.
Despite I am an educated, perpetually thinking, by all accounts enlightened progressive, when I learned the specifics of Mr. Brewer’s crime---one of his colleagues in this evil is on death row---and that he had been executed, forget in the state now marked by execution as near wanton activity…..I felt shockingly gratified and palpably relieved.
I submit those who support Capital Punishment (or any other the end justify the means beliefs) with alacrity, are unwittingly---unwittingly being the operative word--- defending against their own pain and feelings of vulnerability exactly as I was in my response to the Texas execution after identifying with the victim in the above, unimaginable crime.
We can debate the issue logically and academically until the Pope gets married and elephants fly; not until more people are moved by default/reflex chase unalloyed truth WITHIN will anything change in this or many other arenas.
I believe introspection is at the core of civilizations comprising collective which all do… surviving and progressing….forget also the linchpin of actualization and happiness. I believe a shocking dearth of this propensity is at the heart of most evils.
I learn important things from my subjective responses to events.
Despite I am an educated, perpetually thinking, by all accounts enlightened progressive, when I learned the specifics of Mr. Brewer’s crime---one of his colleagues in this evil is on death row---and that he had been executed, forget in the state now marked by execution as near wanton activity…..I felt shockingly gratified and palpably relieved.
I submit those who support Capital Punishment (or any other the end justify the means beliefs) with alacrity, are unwittingly---unwittingly being the operative word--- defending against their own pain and feelings of vulnerability exactly as I was in my response to the Texas execution after identifying with the victim in the above, unimaginable crime.
We can debate the issue logically and academically until the Pope gets married and elephants fly; not until more people are moved by default/reflex chase unalloyed truth WITHIN will anything change in this or many other arenas.
Some simply can not, for whatever psychological reason, 'fit', and Nature generally eliminates (either immediately or over a relatively short time) that which does not 'fit'. Groups of humans living in close proximity, ie society, act in pretty much the same manner, as should be done if the social construct intends to survive. Individuality is healthy but not when it impacts the self or 'social being' detrimentally and/or dangerously.
Questions of the moral right or wrong of capital punishment will always be in a state of flux because morality is in a constant state of flux (by which I mean we're really good at justifying our reasoning for any thing at any given time, including completely opposing positions one moment to the next depending on context).
But basically I can't see the 'right' in requiring a citizenry to support the life and sustenance of an individual that is clearly a marked danger to it's self and the society it would live in. And again, I'm speaking of serial offenders who's crime is inherently violent toward others by nature. I'm also speaking of the no-doubts conviction with solid proof of the person who committed the crime/s (unimpeachable witnesses - plural, caught in the act, etc).
Anyone have any real numbers on violent serial offenders who have been rehabilitated and returned to society successfully? And does anyone have any other than a religious and/or moral based reasoning for warehousing these individuals at the expense of their peers for the remainder of their lives (and into the lives of the children of others)?
My personal point of view is that each and every crime be taken only on it's own circumstance and evidence (forget precedence and appeals and teams of rock star lawyers and DAs and the notice-hungry medias and blood thirsty public). The old eye for an eye thing had it's usefulness - kill and you will be killed - but like any other thing it can be easily abused and turned to vendetta. And sometimes (sorry folks, MHO only) killing is justified. It simply is, morality aside. If you set out to kill me or mine you're taking the risk that I'll kill you instead in my/their defense (simplistic, but.. ;).
There's nothing inherently black or white about *this* subject..
Rated for useful discussion.
"Therefore, any moral and ethical arguments
for granting endowing law
with the special dispensation of a license to kill
had better be as unimpeachable
as the pure evil of executing a man
for a crime he did not commit."
A mind twister, but you got me on a good day, ha.
aint no such animal, cept in pre-moses universe:
such a "dispensation", a dispensing-of.
(sorry, poetic. let me put on my professorial cap)
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I find it instructive you use the word “dispensation”: an order, an arrangement, a system, now,
But once upon a time: “ an act whereby in a particular case a lawful superior grants relaxation from an existing law ,” from the Latin. And of course the religious synergy. “The church consists of all saved individuals in this present dispensation - i.e., from the "birth of the Church" in Acts until the time of the Rapture.”
All in one word.
And rapture? It can mean doom, or beautiful release.
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It is worth noting that all these black fellows we love to execute usually “get God”, as they say. I hope they find what they are hoping for, after the poison stops their hearts . Or the electricity burns neuronal circuits delicately created, to a crisp.
Maybe .
I personally don’t give a damn if there is a God or a Hereafter. I want mercy in the flesh.
As a man who has been in prison, I know experientally (I have only subjective verification, in other words…) that to be stuck in a hell-hole with no chance of escape is the worst punishment a human being can get. That is the new definition of “capital punishment”, for me, at least.
"Therefore, any moral and ethical arguments
for granting endowing law
with the special dispensation of a license to kill
had better be as unimpeachable
as the pure evil of executing a man
for a crime he did not commit."
A mind twister, but you got me on a good day, ha.
aint no such animal, cept in pre-moses universe:
such a "dispensation", a dispensing-of.
(sorry, poetic. let me put on my professorial cap)
.....................................................
I find it instructive you use the word “dispensation”: an order, an arrangement, a system, now,
But once upon a time: “ an act whereby in a particular case a lawful superior grants relaxation from an existing law ,” from the Latin. And of course the religious synergy. “The church consists of all saved individuals in this present dispensation - i.e., from the "birth of the Church" in Acts until the time of the Rapture.”
All in one word.
And rapture? It can mean doom, or beautiful release.
………………………………………………………………………….
It is worth noting that all these black fellows we love to execute usually “get God”, as they say. I hope they find what they are hoping for, after the poison stops their hearts . Or the electricity burns neuronal circuits delicately created, to a crisp.
Maybe .
I personally don’t give a damn if there is a God or a Hereafter. I want mercy in the flesh.
As a man who has been in prison, I know experientally (I have only subjective verification, in other words…) that to be stuck in a hell-hole with no chance of escape is the worst punishment a human being can get. That is the new definition of “capital punishment”, for me, at least.
We don't know the names - many of us - of the two sisters who were not killed in the famous "In Cold Blood" case because they have not had to spend their lives making certain the killers of their parents and siblings were not released from prison. This is because the confessed (and convicted on evidence as well) killers were hanged.
The state must do everything humanly possible to be sure that no mistakes are made. Yes. Let all murderers live? No. That is not, in my view, civilized. It is, again in my view, actually a sign of a "sophisticated" type of barbarity.
I'm all for outlawing capital punishment, but if we have a government that kills/executes the innocent - without remorse or self correction - it's not clear to me that outlawing capital punishment would mean much of anything.
the president, for instance, is driving drone bombs into homes, cars, and meeting places in pakistan to kill people in groups without any trial at all.
the state has the power to kill people silently in groups, or singly after formal discussion, with assent of 12 citizens. it is childish to resist this power, if you can not imagine a way to change it. if you are unwilling to change the constitution, or unable, what is the point of complaining about its consequences?
more importantly, what is the relative importance of a few judicial executions compared to the commission of the iraq war? there was murder on a mass scale, and the instigators not even charged...