Mark Pritchard

Mark Pritchard
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Mark Pritchard is a fiction writer living in Bernal Heights, San Francisco. He's the author of the novels "How they Scored" and "Make Nice," and the story collections "How I Adore You" and "Too Beautiful and Other Stories."

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NOVEMBER 15, 2008 2:24PM

Protests against anti-gay initiatives: too little, too late?

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I'm reluctant to admit it, but I am sort of in agreement with this sentence in the LA Times today on today's nationwide protests against anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives such as California's Prop. 8:

And it remains uncertain whether the aggressive tactics ultimately advance the activists' goal: Either having the California Supreme Court throw out Proposition 8 or persuading voters in a new election that gay marriage should be legal in the state.

Right, there is already a lawsuit trying to stop the implementation of Prop. 8, so exactly what are the protests going to accomplish? Of course it's fine to give people an emotional outlet. But I think the reason why people are going to these demonstrations is -- for some of them -- guilt that they didn't do more to stop Prop. 8 before the election.

As I grow older, I look on street protests more and more as simply being theater. And there's nothing wrong with theater, to the extent that it motivates people to do something more than go to demonstrations. But if I were one of the people behind Prop. 8 -- a Catholic bishop, a Republican activist, a Mormon panjandrum -- I might look at the demonstrations and simply smirk. Just as Obama supporters are now feeling a good deal of smugness.

I also wonder: if Prop. 8 had been defeated and anti-abortion Prop. 4 won, would there be these nationwide demonstrations? And why not?

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I agree that the protests do not seem to be accomplishing anything. They certainly are not convincing those who voted for proposition 8. Of course, I don't live in your state but am observing this from Virginia.

The problem now is that the issue has become so polarized with religious conservatives rigidly opposed to gay marriage while gays are seeing it as a violation of their civil rights not to be able to marry. And, invoking the civil rights issue does not win over African-Americans who are turned off by using that term which is so associated with their struggles.

At one time, there might have been some common ground or compromise to be worked out. Then, gays could have worked on gaining marital rights in an incremental way.

Is there a way for gays to propose another proposition that would restore some rights--say civil unions for instance? Religious conservatives would be still opposed to any kind of rights but they are in the minority. Reasonable people would agree with a reasonable proposition.
It's not just that the protests are probably ineffective. The question is: why didn't they come before the election?
I agree with your premise that these protests are too late, and my explanation for that is simply that people love the sports-like tribalism of the presidential race far too much to focus on anything else. It's like the BoSox vs the Yankees or something, and as soon as it's over, people begin looking around at everything else that was going on while they weren't paying attention.

Not sure what the "smug" comment about Obama supporters meant. Explain?
Protests and visibility actions rarely equal policy change. If only everyone who protested across the nation would have knocked on doors in California or made phone calls from afar against the proposition perhaps the measure would not have passed. Many people in CA were calling on behalf of Obama, Moveon, and other progressive groups to swing states rather than aide in the fight against the discriminatory proposition.

The best option is not to protest but to channel that zest into collecting signatures for a proposition to declare marital rights for all. It is the action rather than the demonstration that the right seems to favor and has produced result after tireless cycles of propositions and amendments.
Not sure what the "smug" comment about Obama supporters meant.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm feeling pretty good about the Obama victory, and not a little bit of schadenfreude when I read all the news stories about Republicans being marginalized and so on. And I haven't been above a little bit of smugness.
Let me describe my own motivations for attending two protests in SF on this issue. I am not a joiner, a protester, or one of those perennially pissed-off types who like to tilt at windmills. My same-sex marriage was performed in Canada, and thus was not directly affected by Prop 8. And yes, I do feel a little bit guilty about not having done more before the election.
There is a perception that the anti-Prop 8 work done by professional gay rights organizations was ineffective, and the protests after the fact are now being organized from the bottom up via the web, Facebook, etc. I think framing the issue as "marriage equality" and "removal of civil rights" will, in the long term, help the same-sex marriage issue win over those who are opposed. The parallels with the miscegenation laws that were overturned in the '60s are useful and relevant here.
In fact, the more one thinks seriously and critically about marriage, the stranger an institution it seems, and framing it from a legal rather than a religious perspective is healthy for our society.
Finally, the thought of wealthly, hatemongering Mormons and Catholics donating money to amend the constitution of a state where they don't even live infuriates me, and I am fighting back.
You're not gay. You weren't there. You've NEVER been there. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
However this turns out, I think what we're dealing with is an anomaly where an out-of-state church exhorted its members to contribute to a California measure that never would have passed on its own merits. Yes, money can do that, and what needs to change is that money supporting or opposing an in-state initiative should ONLY come from citizens of that state.
Joan... with all due respect, you live in "Virginia." 80% of the population of the US inhabit major metropolitan cities. You are in the minority -- big time. The demographics of the country are changing whether you (or you preacher) like it or not. The vote in California was passed by 500,000 due in large part to a campaign of deceit and misinformation waged and financed by religious zealots. Anything less that full status is not equal. Why don't you and your fellow church goers pay higher taxes -- then you can have preferred status over the rest of us? You guys can redefine marriage and call it a "holy marriage." The rest of us are happy with just "marriage."
How can we know what result these protests will ultimately have? I'm hoping we're seeing a new phase of organization and marshalling of energy. This may be the beginning of a newly impassioned, focused movement that will settle for nothing less than real marriage equality throughout our country.
I think if you feel you are being denied rights you have to protest to let those denying you rights know you will not accept it. Perhaps part of a protest is theater but a group of people speaking in one voice publically can be a powerful thing. Maybe the protests are too late, but I don't see much of a choice for those facing their marriages validity being questioned by the vote. For those against Prop. 8 who did not see it coming in California all there is to do is organize and fight back. The history of people fighting for rights proves they are never easily given and there are always those that will fight to take them away.
David Eherenstein is a film critic, and judging from this article writes with a fierce tone. I hope he will come back and explain, in the more typical articulate and insightful way that usually characterizes his writing, his comment above.
Why do you imagine I would have anything else to add?