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SEPTEMBER 22, 2009 7:34PM

Beatles rule -- awesome or pathetic? Discuss

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The Associated Press reported today that 2.5 million Beatles albums were sold in the five day period beginning with the September 9th re-issue of the group's catalog in digitally remastered versions.

I'm not sure what to think about that. On the one hand, I adore the Beatles, as well I should, since I'm smack in the middle of the Baby Boomer demographic (born in 1956) and their music was the accompaniment to my childhood, my adolescence, and pretty much most of my life ever since. I don't call myself a rabid fan, but I have gone so far as to buy books on, for example, the origins of their song catalog and the day-to-day events surrounding the recording of "Let It Be."

So part of me should love the fact that a band who made its last recording 39 years ago is fulfilling everything we said about them at the time, namely that their music would last forever. And 40 or 50 years in internet time is pretty much forever. 

On the other hand: pathetic. 

Not that the Beatles music is pathetic. Or even that people like them so much these days. Like we said: their appeal lasts. 

But part of me is sad that in this era of a million splintered tastes in pop music, with everyone tuned into their own playlist on their "personal stereo" (to use a phrase from the 80s), we can't agree on anything else. 

Unless the offensive pap heard on "American Idol" and the "light rock, less talk" station played at my dentist's office represents the mainstream. In that case, give me the Beatles, please, digitally remastered, at top volume. 

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I think having even one point of agreement is quite an accomplishment!

Sadly, though, there are people who really don't like The Beatles. I don't know if I trust those people. ;-)

(My husband, who is a mastering engineer, wasn't really keen on the idea of remastering The Beatles catalog. He thought it would end up being too loud. But, listening to the remastered Abbey Road recently, he said it was like listening to a whole new album. He heard things he never had before.)
I never did care much for the Beetles. I grew up on classical music, and my first exposure to the Beetles was a throwaway little tune "she loves me yeah, yeah, yeah," that at the time was about as interesting to me as a potato chip jingle.

After that, seemingly every male in my age cohort wanted to have a Beetle haircut, Beetle boots, and if memory serves, Beetle pants. Why anyone wanted to look like that was a mystery to me.

Then, a young friend convinced me to go to a Beetle movie, their first, I suppose. The theater was filled with girls, and whatever the Beetles did caused them to scream. Since the movie was about the Beetles, the screaming was pretty much constant.

Even at a young age it seemed to me that the Beetles were more a religious cult than a musical group.

Eventually I came to understand that they had some good songs. Well, Simon and Garfunkle had some good songs, as did James Taylor, Gordon Lightfoot, Joan Baez, and a lot of other people.

Today, some of their tunes are Ok for me, but most of them have been played to death on the radio. And a lot of them are, well, kind of boring. Now in my geezerhood I have come to appreciate progressive metal bands, and I'd much rather spend time with Porcupine Tree, Vanden Plas, Angra, or Opeth.

It's not that I don't like the Beetles, it's that I never understood why they became objects of worship. Any ideas?
I think that people who say they don't like the Beatles probably have only heard a few top 40 songs. To get a grasp of their incredible cutting edge musical accomplishments one would have to listen to the full library of music.
mishima, it's "she loves you! And it is, IMO, one of the most perfect, joyous songs ever recorded.

I was born a bit late to participate in Beatlemania, and was actually much more of a Stones fan until college. It seems like a cliche to regard The Beatles and their music with reverence, but it seems to be a natural reaction for me.

(I suppose calling them The "Beetles" is your way of being contrary, eh?)
As much as I love them it's kind of unfair they get credit for reinventing music. Yes, in a sense Sgt Peppers did. But so did Pet Sounds. The Who, Kinks, Stones, Floyd, Jethro Tull, Sabbath, not to mention Dylan, Hendrix, The Doors, yada, yada. In that period alone so many interesting groups came out. They still are coming out, but the media treats them like the flavor of the week. Pay attention for about three months, then never talk about them again.
Try as I might, I have never liked them. My 15 year old son has recently discovered them and he loves to torture me regularly with Let it Be and Strawberry Fields and Hey Jude. Ack!

I remember going to see Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the movie with the Bee Gees, I think) in the 70's sometime - I was 8 - and thinking, "this music is horrible.... except for that Aerosmith guy, he was pretty cool." I then located the original Beatles track of Come Together in my parent's LP collection and was again disappointed.
I was raised on Country Music (my parents were born in 1935 - so not boomers) and I didn't know about the Beatles until college (early 90's). I don't have a crush on them and I don't think they are gods. The music is consistently fantastic though. I don't think there is a single song that I don't like in their catalogue. That's an accomplishment.

Each generation finds the Beatles and is awed all over again. That's the power of good music.
Within every generation there is an expression of music. Regardless of the time or style there are common threads that make some music stand the test of time. Mozart, Bach, The Beatles, etc. all have that common thread. I don't know what it is or that it can even explained.

It is funny those who are of my generation only listen to the Beatles or Stones or the music they grew up with and discount all new music as not good have fulfilled their worst nightmare. They have become their parents.
I'm fighting the urge to purchase the remastered CDs right now, Mark, because I need the cash for so many other things...but oh, how I love my Beatles. Have since buying my first album (vinyl) with my own money, long before High School. And THAT was probably 12 years after they'd broken up. Sigh.

I don't particularly WANT to like what everybody else is listening to today. I have a few of my own favorites (many of them Beatle-esque in a lot of ways, like Keane and The Fray), but there's so much about modern music I actively dislike, I keep going back to the classics.

There's nothing more classic than the hair-raising "na-na-na-nas" of Hey Jude.
I'm with Jeanette. I don't trust those non-Beatle-liking people either.

I am pretty sick of all this re-mastering though. Damn it, how many times do I have to buy stuff? I have bought some supposedly re-mastered CDs that really didn't add much (and I listen on professional quality headphones). It's interesting that Jeanette's husband thinks these are worth the effort. Have to start saving up...
GeeBee, I don't know if you should necessarily run out and buy them just yet! Jim was listening to it on his studio playback system, which is considerably more sensitive than most stereo equipment. I'll ask him to bring it home so we can listen to it on our home stereo.
I adore them. My first album purchase was Abbey Road. I grew up playing classical flute, and listening to classical as well...but these guys move me, still. Try "I've Just Seen a Face"; "Rain"; or "She's a Woman"...there are hundred's more gems in their catalog that weren't "hits".

Haven't bought the remasters, but ruminating on which I MIGHT invest in.
I should put in a plug for the self-titled (and only) album by the group Circulatory System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulatory_System). For all those who wish the Beatles' psychedelic period had gone on forever, this album -- by some members of the Elephant 6/Olivia Tremor Control company -- will sound like your wet dream.
"Their appeal lasts"? In my house, the Beatles got labelled 'Lame adult music' in repeated requests to be subjected to less of it.

Some how, my Hannah Montana fan daughter doesn't find Pink Floyd to be lame adult music.

Go figure.
more pop than rock, but they never repeated themselves, blazed new musical trails with every album, epitomized an irreverent and ultimately revolutionary attitude that profoundly influenced a generation, look at Julie Taymor's movie Across the Universe, admittedly a so-so film, for examples of the kind of inspiration they continue to be for musical and visual artists
Beginning in elementary school and continuing through high school, I studied piano, more at my parents’ insistence than out of a personal compulsion. I didn’t get into it fully until they relented and allowed me to move from the music of their generation to that of my own. That meant rock n’ roll, as in roots rock n’ roll, by which I mean the kind of music that drew outrage from Southern preachers, who termed it n****r music (I can still play a pretty mean triplet, Jerry Lee Lewis style). They organized record burning events and threw Elvis Presley records into huge bonfires.

They could burn the records but they couldn’t stop the music. Rock ‘n roll was visceral and erotic, and thus had power. It bristled with emotion and that was it’s appeal. Early Elvis and the Stones were the two leading lights of rock, and remain so in my estimation. The erotic power of that music is still a powerful magnet.

As a freshman in college (1962), I had an epiphany when I heard John Coltrane for the first time, and haven’t been the same since. I’ve been owned by jazz for 47 years. And so I sort of easily bypassed the Beatles phenomenon.

In Britain there is a tradition of what the Brits call “Beer Hall Music.” People gather in their pubs and sing along to recorded music. It is necessarily unchallenging music; nice sweet little ditties, really. It has to be simple enough for the least (musically) educated ear to appreciate and sing. This, I think, is the tradition from which the Beatles arose, since, with few exceptions, most of their songs are not rock n’ roll at all, but rather, sing-songy little ditties. It always lacked the power of which I write in the first two paragraphs.

To this day, I remain somewhat puzzled by the Beatles’ phenomenon. I think it was cultural rather than musical, since the music itself is rather artless and simple. I will credit them with some electronic innovation. But even in that they were overshadowed by Jimi Hendrix, and even by their own discovery, Ravi Shankar.

A record company executive once said of the Beatles that they had “saved rock n’ roll.” An awful lot of black R & B players must have asked themselves “from what?”
I really wish the “remastering” of the Beatles, in addition to a lot of 60’s groups, had been done right in the first place. The first CDs of remastered 60’s music were just plain awful, slapped together and done by hacks in order to get them on the market to take advantage of the I-Tunes revolution. (Although the Beatles have yet to be sold on I-Tunes.)

Even if one does not like the Beatles music, every group recording today owes a huge debt to them (and their producer, George Martin) for truly taking advantage of the stereo format. Up until then, artists and producers of rock music treated the both mono and stereo recording about the same.

In fact, “Pepper” so wore them out, they could not repeat the process with “Let It Be.” “Abbey Road” was an attempt to return to the former, uncomplicated days of mono recording. (“Abbey Road” was actually the last recording they made.)

I realize that other artists, like Pink Floyd, were also testing the studio, stereo format, but it was the Beatles who really made listeners of time wonder how the heck they made the music sound that way.
Dismiss the Beatlemania. Dismiss the psychedelia. If you let those things jaundice your perspective on who these guys are and what there music is about you will lose. It's about innocence and wonder. That's the Beatles. They were the 1st musical entity to dare ask "why" and "why not"? Not in their music but in their approach to music.

The curious passion people have for the Beatles is kind of like some other things people find zeal for. Harley Davidson riders have phrase that goes: "If I have to explain it, you just won't get it".

Although Harley Davidson fans and Beatle fans are mutually exclusive of one anther, I think that phrase fits Beatle fans quite well. Give them a good long listen. The new Remastered albums are the holy grail of Beatles music. Don't be denied.
I like the honesty, Mark. I, myself, growing up in the 70's, didn't like the Beatles--I think because everyone else did. That finally changed when I watched the documentary, The Complete Beatles (I think that was the name) and saw their music in the context of who they were. I'm a songwriter, so I relate to that. Then, when John died, I found myself truly moved by his body of work. Now I love them.

But yes, the media and people in general love the bandwagon and that can be irritating and distract (as the music industry does) from letting new voices (like my band in fact!) come through.

For every artist I name that inspires me and broke MAJOR ground in approaches to recording or performing, there are plenty more: Pink Floyd, Yes, Hendrix, Radiohead, Grateful Dead, Zappa.
Cheers. M
"Harley Davidson fans and Beatle fans are mutually exclusive of one another" - Philos777
Well there's a simple explanation for that. The Harley fans are all deaf from the ungodly racket of their 120 decibel wet-fart-sounding toys.
:Sigh: Let's not turn this into a name-calling thing, OK?
Interestingly, I've been honing a post on the Beatles myself, solely focused on their music and why I think it endures.

Mishima, you might consider reading "Shout" by Philip Norman. Even if you don't like the Beatles it's a good read, and I think it would answer your question far better than I ever could.
OK, I just read Philos' comment.

And if Philos and I can agree on something, peace in the middle east shouldn't be far behind.

Such is the power of The Fab Four.
Love the Beatles! Bring 'em on! The Beatles are the music of my childhood. I took great grief from a little snot in college because I loved them. But, as I say AJ was a card carrying snot. Wouldn't be surprised if he tunes into Glenn Beck every night.

Wouldn't want the Beatles haircuts or their clothes (especially not their Sergeant Pepper clothes!), but love those tunes!

Rated, yeah yeah yeah!
Hey - Please check out my post on the new Beatles from Sept. 9 -

http://open.salon.com/blog/keeblerelves/2009/09/09/something_new_-_beatles_interactive_media

Thanks.
LOL! @ geebee :-D
I have to admit, them hogs are disturbingly loud and startling when you have your windows down.
Oh and btw, I like this kind of post. It's like letting us play in your yard.
Good music survives. It is just that simple. And it enriches our lives, whether it be "pop" or "classical."

I know that my life has been deeply enriched by both. So I say, YES , to any effort to sustain or renew the music that we love, and I will always willing pay for a chance to buy it and immerse myself in it again.

My tastes run from the Beatles, to Led Zeppelin, to Barbra Streisand, to Faith No More, with Korn and Weezer and Elvis Costello and too many others to even mention. I love Broadway musical soundtracks right up there with System of a Down. For me it is all good, but nothing matches the pleasure of the Beatles.

Everyone always has choices as to what they listen to and what they purchase......and ain't life grand?

For me it is.
We had Bruce Springsteen, Madonna,
It was way before Nirvana
There was U2, and Blondie
and music still on MTV . . .
She rocked out to Wham!
Not a big Limp Bizkit fan.
Thought she'd get a hand
on a member of Duran Duran . . .