MAY 12, 2009 3:03AM

Tier 1A Philip Zimbardo (nudity/degradation NOT gratuitous)

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Senators Joseph Lieberman and Lindsey Graham have mounted a campaign to block the release of additional materials on may 28th mandated by a court decision supporting a suit brought by the ACLU under the Freedom of Information Act.
 
Their plea:  ""We urge you in the strongest possible terms to fight the release of these old pictures of detainees in the war on terror, including appealing the decision of the Second Circuit in the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] lawsuit to the Supreme Court and pursuing all legal options to prevent the public disclosure of these pictures," the senators wrote.
 
http://original.antiwar.com/fisher/2009/05/11/lawmakers-try-to-block-new-abuse-photos/
 
Why would they feel so strongly about this?
 
 
 
 
Professor Zimbardo:

(Zimbardo was born in New York City on March 23, 1933. He completed his BA with a triple major inpsychologysociology, and anthropology from Brooklyn College in 1954, where he graduated summa cum laude. He completed his M.S. (1955) and Ph.D (1959) in psychology from Yale University. He taught at Yale from 1959 to 1960. From 1960 to 1967, he was a professor of psychology at New York University. From 1967 to 1968, he taught at Columbia University. He joined the faculty at Stanford University in 1968.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo) 
 
has written many books.  One of the most outstanding is  "The Lucifer Effect:  Understanding How Good People Turn Evil."
 
He is, also, the creator of the Stanford Prison Study in which 24 students assume the roles of prisoners or guards.   
 
The following video presented by Professor Philip Zimbardo gives a hint of what they wish the american people be prevented from seeing (To those of tender sensibilities, I recommend not watching what commences at about the six minute mark):
 
 
 
 
 
 This first part of the lecture, which has none of the shock effect of the video above, is strongly reminiscent of Hannah Arendt's book, "The Banality of Evil."

 

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If I don't have enough to feel, bad about.

You're killing me.
"He sang as if he knew me
In all my dark despair

But he was there this stranger
Singing clear and strong
Strumming my pain with his fingers
Singing my life with his words
Killing me softly with his song
Killing me softly with his song"
Thi is what happens when you take Christianity out of society. If the prison guards are not aware that they will be judged by God for their lousy behavior, they have no incentive to stop the behavior.

Also, if you understand the concept of salvation then one would not be afraid to risk their life to stop a tyranical government. This is why communism tries to remove God from society; so the government can continue to threaten and coerce it's citizens to do harm to other citizens. (Kind of like what we are seeing in America today.)

To see this kind of behavior from American soldiers flies in the face of everything we stood for. I did not say stand for, since today we are not the nation we once were. Sad, very, very sad.
This is in response to rwnutjob's comment:

From 1985 to 1992, when Youth Direct president Don Smarto taught criminal justice at Wheaton College [a Christian college in Illinois], he tried to introduce his students to the prison experiment by using a simulation like Zimbardo’s. To avoid abuse, he and his colleague built safeguards into the program. But they hardly expected that they would need them. “Keep in mind that the students were evangelicals from good homes, supposedly all Christians,” Smarto told CT, but “within the first hour the expletives and the foul language would start.” Then came the spitting and other vulgar actions. And in the middle of the night, when supervision was at its lightest, student “guards” stripped student “inmates” of their clothes, used handcuffs to pull their ankles into painful position behind their backs, and made them eat their cold food off the floor.

Like Zimbardo, Smarto concluded, “anyone is capable of doing anything under the right circumstances. When I saw the story come out of Iraq, I really identified with it because here were good respectable evangelical students who disintegrated pretty quickly.”

Smarto’s big surprise was that the group was not self-policing. He had thought that “if one of the guards ran amok—and we were expecting that one or two might—that the rest of the group would exhibit control, would reel them back in. Instead we found groupthink.” “I can’t explain that one,” he said. “There is no answer to it.” [“The Evil In Us,” Christianity Today, Vol. 48, No 7, page 22]
I can appreciate your reply Dennis, but there is a difference between being a "professed" Christian and actually being a Christian. Most people who claim to be Christian aren't. If I were to take a thousand professed Christians, line them up behind a thousand other people, give them a loaded gun and tell them they would be killed if they did not shoot the person in front of them, probably 999 would pull the trigger. You might have one person who is truly of faith. (Another sad commentary on Christianity)
Only the truth will set you free. We're big boys and girls, we can handle it and we need to know it so we can be outraged and hold those accountable.
The idea that RELIGION is the safeguard against such behavior is ludicrous. Religion actually leads to and justifies this kind of behavior in many instances. This is NOT, "what happens when you take Christianity out of society", but rather what happens when people stop thinking for themselves and join in a sort of religious fervor about anything.
rwnutjob: This is what you said: "Thi[s] is what happens when you take Christianity out of society. If the prison guards are not aware that they will be judged by God for their lousy behavior, they have no incentive to stop the behavior."

You did not say that most people who call themselves aren't Christians.

Do you not think that the Christian "guards" thought that God would judge them? Do you not think that Bush thinks God will judge him? Did his faith mean anything?

In fact, let me revise that, his faith actually made and makes him cocksure that what he's doing is right, just, moral, and directed by God himself. The fact that he has such certainty makes him more dangerous, not less. More crimes against humanity have been committed in history by those professing religious motivations than have ever been committed by atheists.
Dennis, Bush can call himself whatever he wants. I'm not saying there are not times where it is necessary for good to fight evil. (WWII?) I do not think Bush is a Christian.

Many bad things have been done in the name of religion. Some actions are just, and some actions are nothing more than outright atrocities perpetrated by scumbags hiding behind religion.

Those prison guards were sadists, nothing more. Treat your enemy with kindness and it will be like pouring hot coals on their heads.
I'm really starting to think that proclaiming oneself to be devout (in any faith) has become a hiding place for some very evil people, as if somehow God will help them change their lives and make them whole again, but instead they meet lots more people just like themselves, and they begin to justify and rationalize.
They are just trying to cover their butts, which is BS. The truth deserves to be known, Period!
"And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on". "La di da di dum". It is a good thing we voted for a change. No wonder Obama doesn't want to prosecute torturers. Perhaps someone should get the VP ready to take over.