Please delete this.

It will only continue the pointless back and forth.

We all know that jerusalem mike is an asshole by the way he acts.

Don't stoop to his level. Focus on writing something good, interesting and worthy.

This douch bag isn't worth your time or the attention you give him by posting this.

As a new friend, I feel it my duty to speak so. If you choose to see differently, I will understand.

Is this necessary...just saying...

Is it too much for me to have asked him not to PM me, and should he not be exposed for what he, truly, is?

Mark..we don't know who anyone "truly" is here. You and I have had some intellectual conversations via PM and you're a well spoken man. This surprises me is all. In reality 90% of us would be on the asshole list at one time or another for saying or doing something another didn't feel was right. This just isn't going to resolve your differences of opinion which is what opened this entire scenario up......that's all I'm saying...

I'm appreciate Your thoughts, ThroughMYEyes, but I'm not going to bullied around, not intimidated by the likes of mike.

I think what the lady means is that in this forum, simply posting the PM's and actions of another does nothing to 'destroy' them.

The only way to effectivly neuter someone in this arena is to ignore them into oblivion, delete their emails and comments and avoid them.

Eventually they fade away and don't bother you any more.

:-) understood...not that this has anything to do with it..but being a Mom and a Grandparent as you are..ok..you're the Dad..see that little beauty sitting on your lap...what do you think you'd want her to do in this situation? You can't be bullied unless you allow yourself to be bullied Mark. Sooooooooo that's the passive female in me coming out...and considering you are male and my husband never listens..go at it. :-) I like you all the same.

Sorry, my dear friends, but I will not allow my condemnation of israel to result in me having to read such rubbish in my inbox on a near daily basis. I have spent four decades fighting for truth, and mike's PMs are truth personified.

i will quickly explain myself very quickly
Mark here, in his post, tells the public I told him things, which I dont.

He will put in a headline I said this about Amy Goodman.......and I didnt even know who who she was.

Then he will write something like this

It's too late at night for me to respond to any comments, but hasbaramike asked me to comment on his latest blog"

Theguy just continually makes up crap, and I have to admit its bizarre......but he just is so dishonest with all the things he writes and not just misquotes........I dont even say so things. Its just wacko.

So instead of bringing it public sometimes, I basically will go into his mailbox and tell him he needs to sort of stop lying.

Of course I overreact and call him an asshole, but its hard not to. If a guy claims you say something and you dont........ you kind owant to smack the shit out them.

Anyways, the stuff he posted from his INBOX....... now that I said
LOL
I dont deny what I say, but Im pretty sick of him attributing quotes me me....which I didnt say.

Posting what I told him in private is classless.Basically the guys got to stop with putting stuff in hios blog that I didnt say. Thats all

Mark you are basically a piece of shit and thats it. But you do fight like a girl. Most men dont do shit like that. You should grow up

Thanks for your comments, mike -- the more you post, the more you reveal your true nature.

How am a Liar Mark? Fill me in Marky

Enlighten me

Because you are posting things the last week in your blog that I didnt say

Sick people do that Mark

You want to headline a problem between you and I and make it public?

Fuck, I can show my disdain for you one on one

I dont need to showboat

You are just an old worn out drag queen
who has got to fight dirty
you see buster, I dont like you
I dont like what you stand for
I hate self loathing types
and I despise self righteous cowards like yourself
who have no respect for honesty
I dont give a fuck what you post
just do your best to show some respect for truth
Personally, you are a self hating raging anti semite
which i find appalling
You call me a coward and a liar
I attribute quotes to you ' that you didnt say'?
I might be a hardass but I dont lie
I might have opinions you disagree with........ but I still adhere to a truth
Coward......... I have called you that. right to your face. I didnt post that you were a coward, because that is something once again that a person handles one on one

You want to bring it to a public forum like a drama queen

Do it
Go for it

But I will tell you this you bag of shit
You are a disgusting creep
I see your tactics
and you need help

you are a lying bag of shit Mark

Ok I'm done.......... enough of Mark
LOL LOL
What a fucked up dude

Here's how you are a liar hasbaramike:

When I posted on Sally's blog:

As a double Cohen with 1/2 my family dead in the ovens of Europe, I'll thank you to see israel through your rose colored glasses, and me to see it through the hypocrisy and lunacy, I've observed for more than four decades.

Never again is not the exclusive purview of the rogue nation.

markinjapan
JUNE 06, 2010 06:10 PM

@hasbaramike: Your reading comprehension is as bad as your ESL teacher's command of the language and all your other convoluted "thoughts."

If you re-read my comment, you "might" see that it simply says that I acknowledge Sally's right to view israel as she pleases, and presume that I have the same right.

markinjapan
JUNE 07, 2010 09:08 PM

Sally replied:

Okay, markinjapan, now I understand, not sure why I had a Duh moment, thank you for making me pay closer attention.


Sally Swift
JUNE 07, 2010 10:21 PM

and you replied:as long as you treat Sally with respect Mark, I really don't give a hoot what you do or say

jerusalem-mike
JUNE 08, 2010 09:21 AM

Apparently Sally understood, and apparently you DO give a hoot about what I say or you wouldn't be here arguing with me over your disgusting PMs.

Mark I know what you are doing , I'm not an idiot. true psychopath

1) make up a quote and attribute it to somebody you dont like
2) the person you dont like confronts you with it and says 'why did you make that up'
3) you deny it
4)the other person knows your lying and cant believe the brazeness of it
5) other person is so frustrated with the obvious BS that they email you and tell you to knowck it off and give you a few choice words
6) this is what you want..then what you do is copy and paste the email and make it public

So you go through all this work, just to get at someone because they disagree with your political views.

YOU MARK are a very strange cookie ( and an asshole too...lets not forget that)

I thought two comments above you said you were done -- you have no credibility, and you continue to prove that.

these kinds of back and forths are very compelling to get into because they get the blood pressure going but I'm going to tell you something...they say more about you than about him. HE is an asshole, judging by his words.

the way I see it, as a favorite your titles and thoughts roll over to other blogs. now you can do what you want, but it's likes those cartoon fights that roll in clouds of dust from place to place to place. you look and you go, what in hell is all that about? and then you look and it's what? some asshole no one thinks is anything but?

and it's just as silly as a cartoon. because he's not bullying anyone. he is, in reality, a clusterfuck of stupid words. just like all of us. nothing more. nothing less. just words. delete him, this, it. and don't open anything he sends you. dump him the minute he shows up on your blog. and if you miss one once in a while...so what?

Laughing at the stupidity displayed here.

Hey TS.

words can be the death of us. I imagine people have dropped dead sitting at their computers shaking and typing like mad!

Nope. Sometimes you need to call an asshole an asshole. If you don't he/she/it keeps up with their crap because no one challenges them on it.

For example now that Mikey has admitted that he send PMs full of vile BS his credibility is even lower that it was (if that's even possible), expecially when he complains about somebody else doing the same thing.

So Mark, stand firm dude. He >b a coward and a liar.

P.S. He also is a piece of shit homophobe as well. Anyone that uses "drag queen" as one of his premier insults obviously is a hater

Thank You all for Your comments. I think when a hater is unearthed, it is incumbent for someone to hold that person up to the scorn and ridicule they deserve and have brought on themselves.

@markinjapan
Thank you for this, sometimes it can be best to just let things like this roll off your back. But, jerusalem-mike doesn't really allow for that. He is the consummate Internet bully kind of like a male mosquito, incapable of doing actual harm, but annoying to the point of distraction.

Thank you for Your comment and understanding, Anthony.

This whole matter disturbed me so much, this early morning,
that I went back to bed for awhile, and neglected to thank You, Safe Bet's Amy, for Your comment, and understanding of my perspective.

gang rape by Mark and his boys.........
you guys must have enjoyed that , gathering from the little I know about you

This is Mark's style

1) Attribute a false quote to someone he dislikes
2) Then on his blog he will either post it as a comment or as a headline
3) other person reads the comment or headline
4) tells mark he is full of shit
5) mark will then deny as his virtual internet persona takes over
6) other person knows mark is lying, but mark doesnt care
7) the conjured up einternet persoanlity doesnt give a shit about truth or lies
8) the person falls right into marks hands and IM's him and calls him a lying bag of shit
9) mark then copy and paste and then posts comment or makes headlines
10) all starts based off a lie to provoke

Mark has his own small following. Jew haters and 'others' are in his little playgroup. Mark has been spreading hate his entire life, showing no respect for the truth whatsoever or morals.

It's disgusting to see a 70 year old man, day in and day out. Seems he usespropoganda tricks out of the 1930's. He wouldnt last 2 seconds in Jerusalem .

Resorting to fabricating stories to create sensationalism is as lame as it gets

Mark is this how your demented devient mind draws attention to your blog site?
You just don't have any shame. If someone calls you out as a spreader of hate, you will stoop to any level to get them back.

YOU ARE SUCH A MAN MARK

I salute you for your integrity and respect of truth

You are pathetic man- having to make up stories- and then brazenly deny them.

Your internet persona has no conscious whatsoever and it does anything it wants to as you dont have to answer to a soul.

Should not a 75 year old man like you be past playing games?

This is proper way to handle this kind of stuff, but calling him names in the title takes away from the effort to reveal the nastiness these kind of people peddle.

It starts like this Propoganda 1010:

Assertion is commonly used in blogging propaganda. An assertion is an enthusiastic or energetic statement presented as a fact, although it is not true. They often imply that the statement requires no explanation or back up, but that it should merely be accepted without question. Examples of assertion, although somewhat scarce in wartime propaganda, can be found often in modern advertising propaganda. Any time an advertiser states that their product is the best without providing evidence for this, they are using an assertion. The subject, ideally, should simply agree to the statement without searching for additional information or reasoning. Assertions, although usually simple to spot, are often dangerous forms of propaganda because they often include falsehoods or lies.

Propoganda 201:

Lying and distortion. Lying is stating as truth that which is contrary to fact. This is

This is where you are expert

You attach a false statement to another party
When the other party confronts you, you emphatically state that this is the truth, and basically say 'end of story'

I think this technique was perfected but the Nazis back in the 1930's and 40's. Got to love your technique Marky.

This is a case of someone taking on an internet persona
not giving a fuck about the norms of a social contract
I have it figured out
LOL
1) an individual attributes stated falsehoods to another party and puts it in print
2) other party approaches the spreader of falsehoods and asks the where did you get this BS from?
3) creator of the falsehood denies it is a lie and states that indeed the comment came from the accused
4)recipient of the slanderous and false statements wants to ring the other persons net, because both he and the slanderer know very well that it is all BS and smoke and mirrors
5) slanderer creates the lie, the recipient of the lie knows it is BS, confronts the slander about the lie, slanderers states that it is true ( even though you both know the slanderer is lying)
6) Slanderer gets what he wants

Its an old trick Mark, usually played out by sociopaths like yourself. But the thought of you just being that devious to seek revenge to someone who doesnt agree with you politically is appalling

You are a very sick creature and a waste of my time

@Progressive Liberal: I appreciate Your comment, however, I think there is a difference between name calling, and stating a fact. hasbaramike continues to PM me to this moment, despite numerous requests not to. To me that is cowardly.

As for lies, they are literally sprinkled amidst much of his posts, and many have pointed it out to him.

Am example was his claim that the ACLU was founded by jews. Do the names Roger Nash Baldwin, Norman Thomas, William Z. Foster, Crystal Eastman, Helen Keller, Elizabeth Gurley Brown, and Harry F. Ward lend credence to that claim? I consider that a lie.

Therefore, I don't consider the title to be name calling, but a statement of fact.

That is being called misinformed on my end Mark...not a liar. There is a difference. I was under the impression that jews founded the ACLU , as oppoosed to them having a prominent role. Any which way I'm not a fan of them. And believe me, the easiest thing in the world for me to say is 'I was wrong'. That is not what one would call lying Mark.now is it?

There is a huge difference mark, between one getting his facts wrong and lying. I think most people can understand that Mark.

Not a problem for me to say that " I am wrong' Mark. That doesn't hurt. I guess say those 3 little words are not in your repertoire.

I think that it would be better to delete this post at least partly. Or change the title a bit. Remove those two words, 'coward' and 'liar'.

jerusalem-mike has admitted that he was wrong concerning aclu. Maybe this is the farthest point he can reach. And at least it is something.

Calling each others using dirty names here is not nice. Within politics you can continue to disagree. But why not using a bit cleaner language.

English isn't my mother tongue so I don't understand well how deeply insulting some said things have been. I don't know your backgrounds either.

Why not continuing dialogues about politics using clean language and sound arguments.

I thank You for Your comments Hannu, however, my solution, as You may note from the previous couple of posts is, simply to ignore mike and not engage with him in discourse on politics or any other matter, whether on my blog or not.

Hannu, You know that I value Your opinion and have expressed that more than just a few times, but in this case, I think the age-old maxim:

"Just let sleeping dogs lie" is applicable.

If mike wants to believe that i am 75 years old, I grant him his opinion, as long as he doesn't try to force it down my throat, similar to the way Sally Swift graciously accepted my comment that we can disagree, but each of us are entitled to our own opinions, as referenced above.

Unfortunately, mike is nowhere near as gracious as is Sally.

If you can get some of his fingernail clippings ... then I can take care of him for you.

There is no way, I would ever be in such close proximity to him; however, what would You do with them?

It is better to debate in words on line than on the battlefield. As Americans we seem to have lost the art of debate. You have to have a strong stomach of course for it. This is the one and only thing I admired about Tony Blair, but am ceasing to admire about BBC Have Your Say. You Say is what the censor believe it should be.

Everybody is entitle to their opinion and sometimes as dumb as it may appear to be at the time, it is the truth. The truth is beautiful on its own but it sometime comes dressed in ugly clothing. Like my mother used to say, "The biggest liar tells the truth sometimes," and I might add, not know that he or she has done so.

Debate, debate that is the object of social intercourse.

Thanks for stopping by, Mary, and offering up wise and cogent comments.

Don't delete this.

And everyone else do the same thing if anyone is acting in such a repugnant manner.

Does anyone really think that just quietly accepting harassment and threats is going to make these misguided people ever stop doing it?

If you really think that I feel sorry for you.

"Therefore, I don't consider the title to be name calling, but a statement of fact."

I don't take issue on the factual nature of the douchbaggery of others.

And I'm not about to claim to be free of name calling myself.

All I ever point out is that the facts of a person's character revealed to you are often the kind of facts people would rather be white-washed prior to their public airing.

Don't get me wrong. Personally I think it's a stupid way to do things.

Dear Progressive Liberal,

Thanks for taking the time to confirm the reasons I have chosen NOT to delete this blog or respond further to hasbaramike's vapid comments.