Recently a poster took issue with a blog post of mine comparing and contrasting obama and Martin Luther King Jr. As the poster chose not to reply to my response, I thought it to be an appropriate topic for a blog post.
Among the poster's contentions in addition to a disdain for the concept of negotiations were:
a. the premise that negotiations would have been fruitless in stemming the Nazis.
I'd point out here, that negotiations with the Nazis would have been impractical as some of america's most prominent families were openly collaborating with them:
"If Borah, an isolationist Republican from Idaho, sounded naïve saying “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided,” then what should be said about Bush’s grandfather and other members of his family providing banking and industrial assistance to the Nazis as they built their war machine in the 1930s?
The archival evidence is now clear that Prescott Bush, the president’s grandfather, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from and collaborated with key financial backers of Nazi Germany.
That business relationship continued after Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 and even after Germany declared war on the United States following Japan’s bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941. It stopped only when the U.S. government seized assets of Bush-connected companies in late 1942 under the “Trading with the Enemy Act.”
"These cartels provided the basis for and main financial backing of the Nazi regime. Collaboration between the German Nazi industry and American industry and finance continued, specifically with Morgan and Rockefeller interests, as well as Ford and DuPont. The Morgan-Rockefeller international banks and companies associated with them “were intimately related to the growth of Nazi industry.” Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Empire “was of critical assistance in helping Nazi Germany prepare for World War II.” On top of this, the Rockefeller Foundation was also pivotal in not only funding the racist and elitist eugenics movement in the United States, but played a pivotal part in bringing the eugenics ideology to Nazi Germany, facilitating the beliefs that brought about the Holocaust."
Concerning negotiations with Al-Qaeda, I'd like to point out that:
a. We have been at war in the place "where empires go to die" for nearly twice as long as WWII, and
b. Estimates range from there being only fifty to two hundred Al-Qaeda fighters. Surely, bombing them, with a high civilian casualty rate keeps their numbers stable, if not growing, so why negotiate, as after all, as Gerald Celente has oft stated: "The business of america is war."
"In fact, America's business is war, more war, multiple wars, permanent wars, pillaging one nation after another for wealth, power, and dominance, while homeland needs go begging.
America never was and isn't now the "land of the free and home of the brave." In fact, it's become a "Let 'em eat cake" society."
Further, concerning negotiations:
Since WWII america has found justification to militarily intervene in the affairs of Iran (four times), Yugoslavia, Uruguay, Greece, Germany, China, the Philippines (three times), Puerto Rico, Korea, Vietnam, Guatemala (twice), Egypt, Lebanon (twice), Iraq (three times and ongoing), China, Panama (twice), Vietnam, Cuba (twice), Panama, Indonesia, the Dominican Republic, Cambodia (twice), Chile, Angola, Oman, Laos, Libya (three times)), El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Honduras, Bolivia, Liberia (twice), Saudi Arabia, Somalia (twice), Yugoslavia (twice), Bosnia, Haiti (twice), Zaire, Albania, Sudan, Afghanistan (three times and ongoing), Yemen (three times), Macedonia, Colombia, Liberia, Pakistan, and Syria.
This does not count current obama wars (Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya), nor covert ops,which are estimated to occur in seventy countries daily.
Anyone who wishes to scoff at me for using as a source a state college,should be aware that Evergreen has one of the finest faculties in the nation and this year:
"Published: August 12, 2011 08:22 AM
The Evergreen State College Featured in the Princeton Review Book, "The Best 376 Colleges" - 2012 Edition
The Evergreen State College is one of the country's best institutions for undergraduate education, according to The Princeton Review. The education services company features the school in the new 2012 edition of its annual college guide, "The Best 376 Colleges."
Only about 15 percent of America’s 2,500 four-year colleges and three colleges outside the U.S.A. are profiled in the book, which is The Princeton Review's flagship college guide. It includes detailed profiles of the colleges with rating scores for all schools in eight categories."
Now if we take these wars and divide by the number of years, we see that america initiates an overt war about once every year and a half or more.
Furthermore: If I recall correctly, the last two unequivocal triumphs for our "vaunted" military were Panama, where we blasted heavy metal music to get Noriega to leave the Vatican diplomatic mission in Panama City.
"Then came the Army's clownish boom-box bombardment - American soldiers gathered at the Vatican embassy in Panama, playing rock music full blast around the clock, which made life hellish for the Pope's emissaries.
Suddenly we seemed to be in Dr. Strangelove country. Punishing the Vatican with heavy-metal rock?"
The operation was dubbed "Just Cause," and the General Assembly of the UN voted 75-20 labeling the invasion a flagrant violation of international law.
The just cause for this invasion was that Noriega who had been on the CIA payroll was threatening to no longer cooperate in hiding the program by which guns were sent to various Central American death squads in return for cocaine being trans-shipped into inner-city america, and this illegal american activity had to be covered regardless of the circumstances necessary to do so.
This activity was, by the way ILLEGAL based on The Boland amendment.
The prior american victory was in Grenada, a country of 100,000 people, (with a democratically elected government) two days after a bomb in Lebanon at the marine barracks took the lives of 241 american servicemen.
The UN voted 122 to 9 that the invasion was a flagrant violation of international law.
The operation was named Urgent Fury, and the urgency was to get the 241 service members killed, two days earlier in Lebanon, due to another inept american intelligence failure, off the front pages, so we could resume our delusional "It's morning in america again," myopic delusion under ronnie the clown.
The poster, also, claims that Gulf War one was justified, which I TOTALLY reject.
After poppy reneged on his: "Read my lips: no new taxes," pledge in 1990, he found himself, rapidly, sinking in the polls. Saddam had, always been kept around as a convenient punching bag. Many people lose sight of the FACT that prior to poppy's betrayal, Iraq had one of the finest educational systems in the entire area.
"UNESCO reports that prior to the first Gulf War in 1991 Iraq had one of the best educational performances in the region. Primary school Gross Enrollment Rate was 100% and literacy levels were high.
For those taken in by the continual lies concerning Gulf War one, the first step was to dispatch the heinous james baker to bribe a so-called "coalition of the willing."
He went from country to country offering exorbitant aid packages to countries willing to add their name to this list of "allies." As we all know, very few countries meaningfully participated, as this was, from the very beginning an american contrived operation.
Gulf War one was initiated due to Hussein's objections to america supplying slant oil drilling to Kuwait so that they could drill oil out of Iraqi territory in the Rumaila oil field and was answered by poppy sending his envoy April Glaspie (united states ambassador to Iraq) to Iraq and giving Hussein the green light to invade Kuwait with these words of "diplomatic speak": "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
Then, next in the progression was testimony given to congress by a tearful UNIDENTIFIED young girl proclaiming her eyewitness accounts of Kuwaiti babies taken out of incubators.
This was orchestrated by the republican PR firm Hill and Knowleton. Her testimony was key to rallying incredible support for war, which was lingering around and under 50% at the time to 90%.
Three months later, it was revealed that :
a. Nariyah had never even been in Kuwait at the time of the events she testified to having seen; and
b. Her father, in fact, was Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait's Ambassador to the US
Even within this backdrop, the senate and house of representatives votes authorizing force were the narrowest since the War of 1812.
Then bush senior claimed: "Within three days, 120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then that I decided to act to check that aggression."
The Pentagon claimed that satellite photos showing a buildup of Iraqi forces along the border were the source of this information, but this was later shown to be false. A reporter for the Saint Petersburg Times acquired commercial satellite images made at the time in question, which showed nothing but empty desert.
At this point, 100,000 sorties were flown, dropping 85,000 tons of ordinance designed to destroy the Iraqi infrastructure, which has never recovered since.
After the official conclusion of hostilities, the no-fly zones were established and a harsh boycott put in place. At one point, sec. of state madeline albright was asked if the deaths of 1/2 million CHILDREN was worth our efforts, she replied affirmatively.
Finally I would like to point to this:
"A Secret War in 120 Countries
By Nick Turse
"Somewhere on this planet an American commando is carrying out a mission. Now, say that 70 times and you’re done... for the day. Without the knowledge of the American public, a secret force within the U.S. military is undertaking operations in a majority of the world’s countries. This new Pentagon power elite is waging a global war whose size and scope has never been revealed, until now.
Last year, Karen DeYoung and Greg Jaffe of the Washington Post reported that U.S. Special Operations forces were deployed in 75 countries, up from 60 at the end of the Bush presidency. By the end of this year, U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Colonel Tim Nye told me, that number will likely reach 120. “We do a lot of traveling -- a lot more than Afghanistan or Iraq,” he said recently. This global presence -- in about 60% of the world’s nations and far larger than previously acknowledged -- provides striking new evidence of a rising clandestine Pentagon power elite waging a secret war in all corners of the world."