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Redstocking Grandma
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My name is Mary Joan Koch. The Redstockings were a NYC radical feminist group in the late 60s and early 70s. I have five grandchildren, 5, 3 1/2, 3 1/2, 2, and 1. Becoming a grandma has rekindled my radical feminism. I speak for the children.

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JANUARY 5, 2010 12:03PM

Why Are Mommy Wars Not Daddy Wars?

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Read  Diana Ayala's  terrific The Mommy Wars: Another Sign Nothing Has Changed .  Incredibly and disgracefully, Diana's excellent post, published last October,  got two comments and 2 ratings.  Sadly, that was Diana's last post.  I urge everyone who has written on the topic to make "daddy wars" one of their tags.

 

The raging mommy wars infuriate me. The energy and passion expended on attacking other women's choices need to be directed at  American corporate capitalism.  Is feminism the unwitting tool of capitalism? Since mothers won the right and social approval to work full-time, wages have  stagnated  and the most mothers are forced to work whether or not they want to leave their infants and toddlers.

 

 As an idealistic young feminist of the early 1970's, I was dedicated to essential social change that both parents could care for their children. As the work week got shorter, that seemed a possible goal. We did not envision a world whether mothers and fathers worked far longer hours than their own fathers had.

  

 

In my working class neighborhood in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, one salary suported much larger families.  Now working-class familes often are forced to work a double shift or several jobs. Husbands and wives barely have time together as one leaves for work as the other returns. According to US Census Bureau,  "Research shows that blue collar fathers have actually changed more in terms of their involvement in homemaking and child care than have middle class fathers (including professionals), when their wives are employed away from home. "

 

During the Clinton years, the US abolished Aid to Dependent Children, which enabled single mothers to take care of their young children. These mothers were viciously stereotyped as welfare cheats. Would you choose a minimum-wage job at  Walmart or as a home health aide without benefits  to taking care of your children?   No wonder poorer women are deeply suspecious of feminists. How does it help them when women increasingly become doctors and lawyers and corporate executives?

 

From 1968 , I was outraged that feminists emphasized abortion over child care as the essential women's choice issue. Few of the members of my Redstocking radical feminist group, were married or had children. A happily married woman was suspected of "false consciousness." Not having children was perceived as more important than providing existing children with the excellent care they needed.  Because the US is one of the least child-family nations in the industrialized world, having a baby often seems like a personal disaster, and women have no choice but abortion.

 

 The US is one of the only countries in the world that provides no paid maternity leave. Pediatricians advocate breastfeeding for a year, but even professional women find themselves pumping in the toilet.  If you stand at a counter and don't have an office, breastfeeding is impossible. 

 

Would it require a  massive reshaping of the American economy to make it feasible for parents to stay home with their babies and toddlers?  If we can outsource radiology jobs to China or India, we can figure out a way for parents to work partly in the office, partly at home. children. The argument that taking any time off work would ruin career advancement is absurd, particularly in the Internet Age. Soldiers fighting World War II were absorbed back into the economy, given help with education and retraining, without being penalized for leaving their jobs for four or five years.

 

Why not a GI Bill for caregivers, whether of children, the disabled, or the aged? If raising young children was properly valued as an essential contribution to the nation's future, parents need not suffer dire career consequences for working part-time or taking a childrearing break.

 

My mother, my friends' mothers, my aunts returned to school and work when their  3, 4, 5, 6 children entered school. They were outstanding students who then had rewarding careers. Their gifts, experience, and skills were honored. Things had changed  by 1988 when I returned to social work and library school after staying home for 15 years, Women who had worked full-time since their children were born often did not validate what I had learned outside their  professional worlds. What I had learned before social work seemed to be considered cheating.

 

Among my daughters and their Ivy League professional friends, only one parent stayed at home full-time with their child for two years.  At baby showers, the possibility of taking longer than a maternity leave from work is not discussed.   A breast pump is the most appreciated gift.  The possibility of the baby's father being the primary parent is never mentioned. These are affluent parents who could   afford to take a few years off if they lived more frugally. But they are terrified of destroying  their future careers. The more parents believe this, the more likely their belief will come true.

 

Early child care is almost entirely a women's job. The nannies in my grandson's playground are all womaen of color.  Everyone knows that a white woman taking care of a baby during the day must be his grandma. How many day care centers, nursery schools, kindergartens have male teachers? My daughters' playgroups had helping daddies as well as helping mommies.  There were often several  stay-at-home fathers among the parents..We organized a babysitting cooperative; daddies were usually the evening babysitters.  My daughters loved it when their friends' daddies babysit. "They are much more fun."

 

I recently encountered a meetup group of stay-at-home fathers at the Children's Center Library at 42 Street. Watching the men take creative, loving care of their babies and toddlers was one of the most fascinating, inspiring, lovely experiences I have had. I suspect if more fathers advocated for a better balance of work and child care, my 36-year-old daughter  and her husband would not face the same hard choices her father and I struggled with  in 1973.

 

 

 

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This is very beautifully written!! I love it!
Totally agree. I don't understand why major corporations or tower blocks full of corporate clients don't have child care on site. I saw this at a hospital I worked at. The then mostly male surgeons used to bring their kids in, because their wives had no childcare. The parents knew their kids were being taken care of and the on-site parent was on hand if something went wrong. The dads loved it, because they could pop down in the day and say hello to junior.
I'll never understand either, RG. It's a human issue.
thanks for bringing up the notion of "capitalist-friendly profit-driven feminism" which is, of course, the most likely to be accepted by those in power - even if they oppose it philosophically if they see a dime to be made from it they will sanction it. And yep bashing the poor came back in style with the Reagan years. Remember when the homeless became fodder for "comedy benefits"?
Onsite child care would be wonderful for everyone. Spending a few minutes with toddlers should spark everyone's imagination and creativity. My 15-month-old granddaughter's day care center is a block away from my daughter's office. So using breaks and lunch to breastfeed her has working out beautifully, so much better than being locked in a toilet with a breast pump.
Mothers started bringing their toddlers to the office in the 80's where Noah works. But it's a university, what could they say - they have to be "liberal." It was fun of course - "C'mon kid, we don't want you to play with the copy machine..."
When I worked for Basic Books in the 60s and early 70s, people bought their kids to work during school holidays. We got an enormous amount of work out of them. Did you know 7 year olds can master a switchboard. Now they could do almost all the information technology. Our separation of home and work sucks.
This should be on the cover. An excellent post! Women working at low paying jobs have nothing after paying for someone to take care of their children. Some areas charge a hundred dollars per week per child. It's probably higher elsewhere. Thats more than they make for for these six or seven dollars an hour jobs. Welfare Queens? I think not!
Has anyone noticed I only make love to men with beards? Both parents working is wonderful for capitalism. Good jobs are essential to afford child care, extra clothes, commuting expenses, doctor bills because your child will get sick more, a housekeeper, take out meals, handymen because you don't have time for repairs==the list is endless. Poorer parents have to work split shifts, have relatives, often settle for inadequate day care which keeps falling through.
The going rate for nannies in NYC is 15/hour; my daughter's excellent Boston day care costs about 2000 monthly. Almost no one makes enough money to send two children to day care.
Well said. I wish that voters would keep in mind that the future depends on taking care of children, educating children, and helping families spend time raising their children. This is self-interest voting at its finest.
Reading this made me realize just how GOOD I have it.

I have a husband who, even though his job can take him away from home for weeks at a time, is the kids' primary caregiver when he is home. Dishes, housework, stories, cooking, laundry, and anything else that needs doing he does.

I have a boss who handed me the "corner office" on a platter and doesn't complain that I haven't been IN that office but twice since he gave it to me. I'm either "on the road" (most weeks 2 to 3 days a week) or working from home. Oddly enough I get more done in less time than my male counterparts doing the same job. Equally strange is that I make more than my male counterparts and have better benefits than they do.

I am HOME when my children need me and yet I work full time. It is something that I wish more employers were willing to at least explore.
MrsRaptor,

Please, please, please post about your experiences. People's vision of possibility needs to be expanded.

I am not surprised that "Oddly enough I get more done in less time than my male counterparts doing the same job" Office workers have no concept of how much time they waste.

Tell us how you handled your company and boss to win such flexibility.
Scanner, it broke my heart how many home health aides who helped take care of my mom had to leave their children in the Caribbean with their families. My mother's long-term health care policy required us to use home health agencies. We paid the agency $18 an hour; the aides were lucky to get $8. I spent much more time counseling these horribly oppressed women than they were able to spend taking care of my mom.
I really agonize over the trivializing of caring for kids. Women have not been liberated, in a way. They are now only admired or rewarded for being men.
@geezerchick, never underestimate someone's capability to vote against their own self interests. Most of the "radical, socialist agenda" currently being debated in government would help most the very people most vocally against it.

and by the way, don't discount the fact there are very many - very many - people without children who resent "breeders" for all of the "special privileges" they get in the work place.
" The raging mommy wars infuriate me. The energy and passion expended on attacking other women's choices need to be directed at American corporate capitalism. Is feminism the unwitting tool of capitalism? Since mothers won the right and social approval to work full-time, wages have stagnated and the most mothers are forced to work whether or not they want to leave their infants and toddlers."

Wow!!! Who whudda thunk??? You mean to say that if the average middle class family went from single income to double income that this could cause wages to stagnate and the prices of things like houses to skyrocket? If the potential employee pool for some jobs nearly doubled this might cause job seekers to be a less scarce commodity? Get Adam Smith on the phone- we're going to need a re-write of The Wealth of Nations!

Undoubtedly capitalist tools, but unwitting seems a bit too genteel- willfully ignorant at best.

On the other hand there was that whole Friedanian "Problem That Has No Existence" of wealthy white women being overcome with boredom and ennui. Women are ever so much happier now than they were- at least that problem was solved. So really it was a win-win kind of a deal. Oh, Frabjous Joy!
I was raised to believe all adults had a moral commitment to the welfare of all children.
You couldn't hit the social nail more squarely on the head, and the only thing I might add to your excellent post is the seminal reason why we struggle so financially - whether we are parents in relationship or single Moms and Dads. It's all in the numbers.

In the 50's and 60's you could buy a nice home for less than $10K and the interest rates were 3 - 4%. Compare that to current home values averaging $200 - $300K at 6 % (never mind the price of everything else...) plus rising taxes and insurance rates based upon purchase price and it's pretty easy to see why the numbers have strangled our culture. No one's paycheck has kept up with that kind of inflation. I know people who make half a million dollars a year and they struggle to pay their mortgage.

Couple this with the fact that the Federal Reserve is cranking out hundred dollar bills 24/7 to finance the U.S. government and the World Bank and the IMF, who finances every other fat man on a throne, and you don't need to be an economist or an accountant to see why our money isn't worth the paper it's printed on. When Bush and Obama threw hundreds of billions of dollars at the banks, it was easy to see who rules the roost in the USA.

Our parents (or our parent's parents) worked hard, but they could afford to buy a really nice home on one income, thereby allowing Mom (or less commonly Dad) to stay home and take care of the children. My father started out as a junior draftsman at an engineering firm. His salary was pretty low on the totem pole, as blue collar as white collar gets; and yet with his modest paycheck they bought a nice brick house in a good neighborhood, they drove a brand new car; and my Mom stayed home and raised two kids.

I am a single Dad. I raised two children (with my ex wife, who struggled no less than I). I stayed local while they grew up in the home I created post divorce. A boy and a girl; and we all raised each other. They weren't even teenagers yet. I didn't leave that house until they fledged, first my son and then my daughter; and it cost me dearly. Our divorce required us to support two houses on two incomes and it wasn't a fair fight. The banksters won. We lost; but thankfully our children survived.

My children were my life, my center, and it's been damned hard to find one of my own now that they have theirs and are living well, one in Santa Cruz and the other in Tahoe. Being a father is the most wonderful and rewarding occupation I've ever had.

I thoroughly enjoyed the grounded substance and the message of this post, thank you. Some of us Dads oughta be lifted up too. It's just as hard to be a single Dad as it is to be a single Mom. Not all of us abandoned our kids or beat up our spouses. The pics reminded me of myself, when I had my son in a backpack. I once carried him on my back into and nearly to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, hiking all day with him on my back.

I honor all single parents, Moms and Dads alike; and all who have stayed the course and managed to keep their marriage alive despite the corporate economy and the banksters and the monstrous cost of our empire building while we little people live our common lives and struggle to maintain as much of our freedom as we are able to. Whenever I meet a couple who are still together after 30 years of raising children and keeping a home, I am thoroughly impressed and humbled and slightly envious of the commitment and perseverance and love that kept them whole, because I know it was a long and rocky road. It always is.
I've noticed that many women feel ashamed if they want to stay home with their kids. Have we pushed feminist issues and equality too far to the other side? Has it become "unacceptable" for a woman to admit she just wants to be a mom? As for the rest, until we can figure out a way to transplant a heart and a conscience into a corporation, I don't see change on the horizon.

I just want to add that my husband was a doctor with a home office during the year's our children were growing up. I ran the office for him and never once did he assume that because we were at home, he didn't have to help out. He always assumed an equal share of the responsibilities. If I'm really honest, I have to admit he went more than just the extra mile. He was a hiker extraordinaire.
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Yuseloftheworm,

You write: "Undoubtedly capitalist tools, but unwitting seems a bit too genteel- willfully ignorant at best." You are absolutely right, and wish I had said it.

On the other hand there was that whole Friedanian "Problem That Has No Existence" of wealthy white women being overcome with boredom and ennui.

Unquestionably Friedan was writing about wealthy white women, not any women I knew. The suburban women I knew had large families, gardened, canned, sewed, knitted, built the farmlands of Long Island into communities, with schools, churches, social service organizations, kids sports, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc. Many of them got the college education they were deprived of when they were 18 and went on to be teachers, social workers, nurses, librarians. Their children did not go to day care centers or nursery schools. Kids were free to roam the neighborhood because adults were at home keeping an eye on all the local kids.No kid took psychiatric drugs. But this has been clear to me only in retrospect.

Kids are not better off.
One wonders what would happen if one-half of these two-wage earner families decided en masse to stay home. Would we have monstrous unemployment levels? Would living wages and benefits return to the work-place? Would part-time jobs designed to skirt labor laws become obsolete?

Methinks we have paid a helluva price for "progress".
Rebelmom, I am so glad you like it.

MadamRuth, I agree that onsite child care seems the best solution. Commuting with the parent reduces parent/child separation. Mothers can breastfeed their babies, not bond with their breast pumps in the toilet.Knowing each is close by brings such peace of mind to parent and child. Mommy's or daddy's workplace feels familiar.

People can be educated, AshKW. Most Americans don't seem to realize we are totally out of step with the rest of the industrialized world.

Noah tall, according to this week's New York Times, the only income of six million Americans is food stamps. 36 million Americans receive food stamps. In the Bronx, NYC, 46 percent of children come from families receiving food stamps. Yet even some of the formerly middle class families depending on food stamps .
make distinctions between themselves and the unworthy, shiftless poor.

Geezerchick, what I have noticed among the younger generation is that it doesn't even occur to them that the government could help solve their problems. They tend to blame themselves. Look at the Wikipedia article on worldwide parental leave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave

Parents are too exhausted to have time for the political protests and activism that might help the US become a family-friendly society.
Dr Henry Makow has written a book and devotes an entire website , savethemales .ca , to the effect of feminism on occidental social order . Queen Elizabeth, Cleopatra , Catharine the Great exactly what is it that Gloria Steinman and ilk wanted I suspect it was to destroy the happiness of others, as they say misery loves company and deep within their heart of hearts the most vocal in the woman’s movement were just bitter unloved whores
Yuselof the worm the only thing Adam Smith needs to know is that the inevitable conclusion of capitalism is corporate feudalism exhibit A twenty first century America. I rest my case Adam Smith is dismissed. Donna Carbonne I should have known you were from long island you are really smart maybe even brilliant but the human mind is harder so much harder than steel and the only thing that’s ever been forged in Dix Hills is checks.
Jack, I thought Donna was from Florida. I grew up in Uniondale, Long Island, lived in New York City for 20 years, and now live in Baldwin, 38 minutes by train from the heart of Manhattan. A monthly commuting ticket is considerably cheaper than a New York City apartment.

Far too many leaders of the feminist movement weren't mothers.

My part of LI is increasingly becoming entirely minority and immigrant, making it infinitely more interesting than it was when I was growing up--the opposite of Dix Hills.

I always tell people I am from New York; overseas I never admit to being from the US:)
Kathy, I too"really agonize over the trivializing of caring for kids. Women have not been liberated, in a way. They are now only admired or rewarded for being men."

Tom, methinks too we have paid a hell of a price for "progress." What is so demoralizing is that people of my daughters' generation don't believe anything can be done about it. Their schedules are often so insane that I doubt they can even keep up with the news.

Donna, it has become unacceptable for a woman or a man to admit they want to just be a stay at home parent. Ambitious women are making a terrible mistake marrying a guy equally ambitious. They would be infinitely better off with a husband with much lower career aspirations who would stay at home with the kids.

Dynomyte, it is in the numbers. But my parents' life style was extremely frugal. Our idea of a brand new car was less than ten years old. for 8 years they had four kids and two bedrooms.

For several years my husband and I had three kids in a two-bedroom apartment. The only vacation we took was with my parents who paid for it. We went out to eat on our anniversary. My daughters and their friends have a much higher standard of living.

Given the cost of decent child care, I am baffled how some couples can afford two paychecks. Sadly so much child care is inadequate at best, abysmal at worst. Even in the best case scenarios three month old babies are sent to spend 10 hours day with strangers.
This is a great post, Mary J. I grew up with my father's salary which was enough to pay for a home, and with a full time mother to raise me and my sisters. My life has been very much unlike that of my parents'. Having worked for the education system, at least I had the hours and the unpaid 6 weeks during summers to be more of a mother to my son and daughter. Still, leaving both at 'day care' from age 2 and 3 onward, I used to feel so sad and guilty for giving my all to other peoples' children during day, while mine were exposed to whatever went on with other babies and toddlers at the day care. My experience also gave me an understanding and insight into the neglect and the neediness of the youth I taught. Some came from two working parents, most were living with single parents. They saw me as the mother they did not have and my teaching took on a different dimension on its own. My colleagues who did not care, went on teaching to extremely "well disciplined" classes, but they didn't get to know many of their students. What I wanted to say is that in the changing of roles and times, children also have been sufferers- and they are today's parents.
Fusuna,

I too grew up with a full-time mother. But my younger brothers were 5 and 7 when I went away to college and my mother started college. I recently found out that my 7 year old brother regarded me as a mother figure and felt abandoned when I moved away. Looking at pictures of me and the two youngest, I do look like their young mother. Fortunately my mother got a job teaching at the local high school down the block, so she had the same hours as my brothers.

I feel sad about what parents are missing when they are away from their babies and toddlers all day. Personally I found being with young children the most fascinating, rewarding, stimulating job I ever had. I hadn't expect it; I had planned to go back to work full-time when my oldest daughter was about six months old. Fortunately we had the financial wherewithal for me to change our mind if we were extremely frugal.

I am sure you were a wonderful teacher/mommy for the kids you cared for. But it must have been hard. If I had to guess, my oldest would have been kicked out of day care, my youngest would have loved it, my second would have been sick all the time and my third would have absolutely refused to go. Structure and any regimentation were anathema to my creative free spirits.

I have had a hard time struggling not to be judgmental of my daughter's choices. My daughter Jane, the human rights lawyer and writer, has the most flexibility. Her writing and research skills are so essential and irreplaceable that her Philadelphia firm doesn't care where she is; she could work at the North Pole if she had a good internet connection. She has worked two days a week starting when her year old was about four months. She splits a nanny with a friend who has a girl Mary's age.
Jack Heart:
I am originally from New Jersey (how dare you confuse me with a New Yorker) and now live in Florida. I appreciate the compliment but me thinks you have me confused with someone else -- although the brilliant part is true. Thanks.
I thought the brilliant part was about me until I saw Dix Hills:)
I also thought I was Redstocking Grandma. The problem with a group blog is remembering to log out.
Well done. My son and I had a long conversation over the phone last night touching on a similar thought. This primary parent and I were discussing the value of routines in child rearing. Good post!
Scupper, I would love to hear more from OS men who are primary parents.
Great post, Redstocking! Intelligent, compassionate, and well-written. You make so many good points here and I totally agree with you. I don't really have much to add since I don't have kids yet, but I already forsee problems with career/time management.
I am pleased that my daughter Emma and her husband are both able to work four-day weeks so their kids only need child care three days.

I suspect employers are more flexible than people realize. They face the same challenges themselves, and excellent workers are invaluable to a company.
MJ: you have written a winner, hit the nail on that head and batted this one out of the park.

I lived the life you described, and that is possible even being a tenant farmer's boy. We were dirt poor as far as cash went, but we didn't know it, grew our own food, and grew up just fine even having to work hard for the little we had.

I started working at least full time from the time I entered high school, put myself through college and graduate school while married and working. By the time I finished graduate school we had three children.

If what we have today is "progress" then I am all for retrogression.

Monte
Monte, can I post your first sentence on my bathroom mirror?

As I recall, our main entertainment was playing cards. A deck of cards is worth more than thousands of entertainment toys.

My father, the oldest of 7, had to drop out of high school when he was 15 because his baker father was unemployed during the depression. He worked full-time, went to night school and college and eventually became an actuary. For 21 years he supported a family of 8, sent them all to Catholic schools, contributed generously to the church and community.

The condition of a society's children is the definition of progress.

I have started an experiment to post my political, social change posts to Daily Kos. This morning's Duck and Cover has gotten quite a few more comments from people who shared my experiences.