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JANUARY 30, 2010 6:11PM

Penguins--Catholic Nuns

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penguinThis  blurry picture from 1959 evokes many  vivid memories, whether fond or not I am still puzzling out. From first grade through high school graduation, I was taught by the Dominican Sisters of Amityville, Long Island. I never considered for a moment sending my kids to Catholic school; now I am not so sure that at least one child might have benefited from their academic rigor.

Uniondale, our new post-World War II community, did not yet have a Catholic school. My mother carpooled, so I could go to Holy Redeemer in Freeport for first and second grade morning classes. With so many Catholics eager to send their kids to Catholic schools, they offered split sessions. Then I took a bus to the closer Queen of the Most Holy Rosary in Roosevelt for third through eighth grade.

Miss Carney, my  first grade teacher, taught two classes of 60 children, one in the morning, one in the afternoon. All of us learned how to read and write, both printing and cursive. She recognized better students and gave them additional challenges. I craved gold stars on both my papers and my forehead. Regularly, I was sent to the second grade teacher, Sister Paula Anne, to report my latest accomplishment. I was sister's teacher's pet before I started second grade.

The tall nun on the right is Sister Miriam Francis; she was the principal at both Holy Redeember and the Queen. She died 3 years ago at age 93, having worked into her late 80s. I wasn't surprised; in retrospect she was an amazing educator. A tall, elegant, brilliant woman, she effortlessly ruled her 800 students with a clicker; she never had to raise her voice. One click, and we were instantly silent and attentive. She knew the name and the history of every student in the school. We were in awe of her and  were willing to work hard for her praise.

I was a very good girl. In seventh grade Sister Miriam Francis told me I could not have had a more perfect record. So I was never the victim of a nun's wrath, never had an eraser hurled at me, never was hit by a pointer, never had to stay after school to clean the blackboards, never was ordered to put my gum on my nose, never was compelled to bring my embarrassing private note up to the front, so Sister could read it to the entire class.  The nuns' reinforced my innate shyness. Good students only answered questions; they never asked them. Class discussion only occurred in high school history and English courses.

Most of the nuns were very young. Many had not yet been to college, were attending part-time, but were expected to teach classes of over sixty students. My young, beautiful physics teacher, who used to flirt with the boys, was one chapter ahead of us in the regents review book. None of my classes were chaotic; I can't remember how the nuns did it. The  habits must have disguised a superman costume. I loved grade school, but was critical of high school. I resolved never to send my daughters to strict Catholic school that prized obedience over creativity.

As the negative memories fade, I can appreciate the excellence and rigor of my education. Writing this post has been a revelation. I have never publicly appreciated the penguins. For 8 years I edited books on the basis of my grade school English grammar classes. I always enjoyed diagramming hundredsof sentences, especially at the blackboard. We had fantastic geography lessons. Every classroom had many world maps, rolled up in front of the blackboard. I loved drawing maps. A test would be a continent map with the outline of each country. We had to fill in the names. We were given a US map outline and had to fill in the state and its capital. We would never have been allowed to graduate from eighth grade if we could not fully explain Social Security.

The nuns were the only professional women I knew. As a group they were amazingly hard working and dedicated; most of them were warm, kind women. I remember only one mean nun in high school, Sister Jean Paul, who taught eighth grade, the nun on the left of the picture. She loathed FDR and made no pretense of being objective. The class wore black armbands the anniversary of his death and sniffed audibly whenever Sister mentioned his name. Too pull off such a massive group effort, we had to have learned lots of American history.

The high school curriculum was rigorous--4 years of English, Social Studies, Math, Science (Earth Science, Physics, Biology, Chemistry), Religion, Art, Music, Gym, and Two Languages, including Latin. As freshman, we had a half year library science course, mastering the card catalogue and the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature.
In English class, we loved reading aloud all of Shakespeare's major plays.We were expected to memorize the major soliloquies and sonnets as well as many English and American poems. We read Dickens, Austen, Elliot, Conrad, Dostoevsky, Hardy, Shaw, Ibsen, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, and Steinbeck.

Sister Grace Florian was the best teacher I ever had in my 20 years of education. She taught first year Latin and senior year English literature. She was brilliant, funny, and demanding. I still have the Jane Austen paper I wrote for her. It is rather good, but Sister Grace Florian incisively criticized the content, the typing, the organization, the grammar, the footnotes, the bibliography. Sister Mary Cyrilla, who taught senior religion, was a fervent believer in Vatican II. Questioning traditional Catholic beliefs were encouraged. She later spent 15 years teaching at the seminary, where men study to be priests. Sister Mary Luke was an excellent French teacher; Sister Gloria Marie taught me to love Math so much that I considered it as my college major.

My friends and I ran the high school newspaper, the Agnesian Rock, and were members of the Speech and Debate Clulb. Debate was enormously challenging, requiring countless hours of library research. We had to argue both sides of each years's resolution, always a major political policy controversy.

But all was not ideal. Science was very weak. There were no female sports, because the champion boys basketball team needed the gym all year round. We had no choice but to apply to Catholic colleges. Those who wanted to attend non-Catholic colleges were refused recommendations. We were regularly taken to Church service; we had to go to confession once a month. In grade school, we had to report our attendance at Mass every Sunday; missing Mass compromised your religion grade.

My mother was an active member of the Women's Ordination Conference. I occasionally attended meetings with her, even though I had not been a committed Catholic after age 18. Many of its members were  fascinating older nuns; everyone seemed to have a Ph.D. There are very few young women entering the convent.  Sadly Catholic school kids aren't taught by penguins anymore.

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The is a very interesting piece. I grew up in the Catholic Church but not in Catholic school. Nowadays, we always hear the bad stories, rarely the good (or at least not the balanced). The data show that Catholic schools perform better than almost others, which may explain why so many non-Catholics send their children there. The title of the post fooled me. Very nice, RG.
Very interesting post, indeed. I was not accepted by the Catholic School Board in Quebec so had to attend the Protestant school system with "all the others". Nowadays School Boards are divided along linguistic (French/English) lines instead of religious ones. As a teacher, I taught with two former Catholic nuns, however, and all those you wrote about diagramming sentences, making their students stick their gum on their noses, etc. are familiar. I thought it was only those two who did so because everyone hated them for their rigid and inimidating conduct. They wore no habits in the 80's, but a look from one could kill you.
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Jane, it served me well educationally. The nuns always encouraged my intellectual development. Girls were expected to do as well as, actually betterthan, the guys. Lack of effort was immediately recognized. The young nuns often seemed to get a kick out of smart-aleck boys, however.

Because the nuns lived communally, I suspect the more experienced teachers mentored the younger ones, helping them to maintain order in such huge classes. All through grade school, I never had less than 50 kids in my class, yet none of them were chaotic. Of course, the nuns always had the threat of public schools if we misbehaved or slacked off. They used expulsion as a threat, but very few students were ever expelled.

Emotionally, I was rewarded for being too good, too shy. I often wonder if my mania is a rebellion against the good Catholic girl who couldn't have had a more perfect record.

Catholic schools near me have faced a dilemma. So many non-Catholic African Americans send their kids to Catholic school that the parish has to wrestle with the dilemma of a school that has hardly any Catholics. Catholic high schools on Long Island boast that 99 percent of their students go to four year colleges. That's because there is a rigorous entrance exam to be admitted to their high schools.

I think nuns were maligned; I have found it fascinating to talk to older nuns about their early teaching experience. Most of them were loving, dedicated, hard-working teachers working under impossible conditions.
I send my daughter to a Catholic school and 4 of my nieces and nephews attend Catholic school. We have only three nuns, they all wear street clothes. Most of our teachers are lay people. It's different in some ways, but I am pleased with it and my daughter loves it. It sounds like over all you have very fond memories.
Hi Mary Jo, That was a very interesting reflection on your education. A friend of mine from the NJ PS system and I were recently looking back fondly on diagramming sentences, as I recall doing in my LI Jr HS. I think we were pretty lucky with our public school educations. I don't know how much diagramming is going on in either public or parochial schools these days. From what I hear, the rigor, and lack of creativity, is still generally true in parochial schools.
I loved this post, great to see the pic with your story. I posted a nostalgic catholic post today too, must be something in the air! I also think it's sad that there are so few new nuns, even though the reasons why are valid & you could hardly call me catholic anymore.
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very provocative accounting and I like the new picture
You conjured up loads of my own memories of a valued parochial education, which I share with you. From Sacred Heart in Bellview, WA., to St. Bartholomews in San Mateo, Ca., to St. Mary's in Lake Forest, Ill., to St. Mary's in Greenwich, CT., to Ladycliff College on the Hudson next to West Point! Lots of wonderful penguins, Jesuit priests and yes, Dominicans...all incredible educators and devoted to higher education. I feel lucky to have had the experience of private education and did pass it along to my daughters for junior high and high school, giving them a tremendous foundation, I believe, for their love for learning. Not to say this is not as attainable through public education, however, it was a very personal, educational experience, where every teacher knows you, your abilities and creativity. I found that along with the discipline, which most kids need and from which they will strongly benefit...the personal one on one we had with our teachers and administrators, was worth the price of admission. Education is the single most important investment we make in our children, fostered by love, support and passing on a legacy of learning and flurishing in the best possible environment. For me, that begins at home. Excellent schools are just the icing on the cake.
I enjoyed your post very much. I too attended Catholic schools--for sixteen years! Elementary was a rinky-dink place where everybody knew everybody's names, and class size was small b/c enrollment was so generally low. High school, a private academy, is where I place the origins of my feminism, academic rigor, and politically liberal sensibilities. And the University of Dayton is where all that was cemented. So, I'll never understand this connection people have with right-wing fervor and Catholicism, although I acknowledge that things may have changed.
Sorry it has taken me so long to correspond to comments. We had a problem with our furnace yesterday; even after they fixed it the house smelled strong of oil so we spend the day away. Right now I am sitting opposite an open window.

Lainey, my strong education in the social justice tradition of Catholicism shaped my political views. Almost all my Catholic relatiaves were lifelong Democrats. Many right wing evangelists don't consider Catholics Christians. I suspect it is principally Catholicism's opposition to abortion that causes people to perceive the church as right wing.

Just Cathy, many of my cousins sent their kids to Catholic schools, and none were sorry. Being with the same teachers from kindergarten through eighth grade was certainly good for me. I knew of few kids who thrived in middle school.

Some nuns came to our 20th high school reunion. We were shocked that they weren't that much older than we were.

Linda, generalizing from my daughters' public education, I would say they lacked the rigor but didn't have much more creativity.
Brava! There is much to say about traditional education, but I do agree that there also needs to be room for creativity.

I think a lot of nuns probably are/were feminists. They rebelled within society.

Fantastic post.
Nearly fifty years later I still quake in fear at the memory of Sister Anabeaupre and her metal yardstick. She was one of the mean ones. I have good memories of some of the other nuns but oddly she's the only one whose name I can remember. I was taken out of the catholic school and put into public school after first grade but still had to report every Wednesday to St Mary's for "church school".
I tried to put my oldest son into catholic school down here but there was a waiting list and the tuition was quite steep and like everywhere else no more nuns on the faculty. Great piece, I enjoyed it.
I love this post. If I have to have children, they will be taught by nuns. Having taught in public and elite schools, I find the rigors of penguin school both humbling and deserving of praise.
I went to Catholic school as well - but it was during the post-habit days. Just wasn't the same.
I'll be damned if I would become a nun and then not wear a habit.
Those habits are intimidating. Shoot - I'm not even a nun and I'd like to wear one.
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I realize I never really responded to the later comments on this post.

big fat trauma queen, I agree that giving up the habits was a strategic mistake. The nuns would never have been able to tame those huge classes without the habit. When I was 13, I played Mary in the Christmas pageant. I wore a nun's bathrobe; I was shocked that nuns had bathrobes, that they ever took off their habits.

Catholicgirl, my feelings about the Catholic Church are always changing. I never considered sending my daughters to Catholic School, yet I suspect two of them would have been better off with higher academic rigor

Coogansbluff, I was far too good a girl and secretly admired the boys who got in trouble. My brothers probably got in more trouble because of their thoroughly cowed sister.

Gwendolyn, when I attended Women's Ordination Conference meetings with my mom and met older nuns, I realize for the first time that they were feminists.