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JULY 27, 2009 5:59PM

FALL OF TROY~THE FUTURE OF KABUL

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The Fall of Troy

As Americans, we do not believe other than about the His Parousia, that an occurrence, mythical or otherwise, in the 4th century BCE portends events in the 21st century CE.  This event is the fall of the City of Troy.  Wiki says that “the Ancient Greeks thought the Trojan War was a historical event that had taken place in the 13th or 12th century BC, and believed that Troy was located in modern day Turkey near the Dardanelles.  By modern times both the war and the city were widely believed to be non-historical.  In 1870, however, German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann excavated a site in this area which he identified as Troy; this claim is now accepted by most scholars.  Whether there is any historical reality behind the Trojan War is an open question.  Many scholars believe that there is a historical core to the tale, though this may simply mean that the Homeric stories are a fusion of various tales of sieges and expeditions by Mycenaean Greeks during the Bronze Age. . . .”

SANGER’S CORE HISTORICISM

It is the “historical core to the tale of Troy” which interests me as I listen to the CD of David E. Sanger’s The Inheritance: the World Obama Confronts and the Challenges to American Power (2009).   Sanger as you may know is a seasoned White House reporter who has access.  Access is everything.   As “the chief Washington Correspondent of the New York Times he offers an insiders’ account describing the national security crisis that will confront” President Barack Obama, “from a nuclear Iran to the lockup of Chinese oil supplies in Africa.”

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David E. Sanger

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Because interesting nonfiction is so plentiful, the only way to keep current is to listen to the CD version and use the hard copy to fact check.  This is particularly easy when you have a wonderful public library like Iowa City Public Library that believes in staying current.   Sanger tells of events involving Afghanistan and Pakistan that speak to the fall of Troy. 

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If Kabul falls, perhaps the West as we know it will also fall, according to Sophocles, Euripides, and even Herodias, Troy led to the Peloponnesian Wars which destroyed Greek Hegemony.  Sanger explains that the Taliban have always seen Pakistan and Afghanistan as one country, a fact that came too late to the Bush Administration. 

BUSH VISIONS

The intelligence of the Bush Administration when they looked at Afghanistan did not see what W. H. Auden credits to “the Old Masters,” who understood human nature.

Musée des Beaux Arts : W.H. Auden

The Old Masters; how well, they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.


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The Bush Administration turned away because their vision of world did not fit its reality in the Middle East.  It ignored Icarus.  Afghanistan was separate from Pakistan, and with both having elections they were democracies, with each having stable capitals.  Western style democracies require capitals and capitalization.  Sanger writes that Pakistan took the capital and prepared for war with India, Kabul, the only functioning part of Afghanistan went lacking and the Taliban isolated it from the rest of Afghanistan. 

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City of Kabul

The fall of City of Kabul, like the City of Troy, will mark the end of an era of Western dominance in the Middle East and the rise a power outside of Western hegemony.

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This book sounds excellent, and as I was reading your intriguing piece I had to recall Barbara Tuchman's "The March of Folly," which opens with a chapter on the Trojan War, which she regards as the very model for future follies. The book only has five chapters (ending with the war in Vietnam), although during the Bush years I thought Tuchman's executors should commission a sixth one for the Iraq occupation, and now I think they should get set for a seventh one on Afghanistan/Pakistan. After that, they would be wise to leave a few blank pages for our next folly.

The word from Britain these days is that the whole adventure is an utter fiasco.

I loved the poem!
kabul isn't going to fall any time soon. the usmc may or may not be able to suppress the taliban, but airpower will win any battle at a set point. since kabul is the signifier of success, it will be held through this and several more presidencies.

i am not much impressed with your tactical appreciation, but you are good at imagery- keep going.
I like the troy part, concur to a point with Mr. Loomis on Kabul, although Hue was touch and go and there are logistical problems in Afghanistan. You left out Russia though, although maybe that is my pet peeve. cool overall though, so like mr loomis says, keep on keepin on.
My ancient history is a little shaky, but I recall that the Greeks only won the war after ten years because they built the Trojan horse and used it to destroy Troy. It looks like either Obama or the Taliban are going to need a Trojan horse of their own. Of course, 9/11 was a bit of a Trojan horse itself, since Al Qaeda smuggled in terrorists and used our own weakness against us...
Mary may be quite right that factors that seem unimportant to contemporaries will be re-evaluated and may prove to be turning points of history.

Up close it's not always easy to notice.

In the 1970s, when Leonid Brezhnev's secret police had ultimate power in the Soviet Union and forced the Nobel-laureate Solzhenitsyn out of the country, someone remarked that the future will see Brezhnev as merely an insignificant local politician who was in office during the Solzhenitsyn-era.

Such characterization looked insane then, but it sure came to pass. (Not that any of these two is remembered by many today :-)
I'm getting Sanger's book from my local library; thanks for the tip on it, though I'll be getting the actual bound copy and not the CD:) As Al said though, Kabul's not falling anytime soon, though you're right about the Taliban (read Pashtuns) seeing no difference between Pakistan and Afghanistan. There's a pretty good chance in fact we're going to see the war widening, as in US forces on the ground in the tribal areas of Pakistan; there are years of fighting ahead of us in Central Asia.
Huh? What was the middle part?