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Family, marital, and individual psychotherapist. Mother to four who no longer need my services but still enjoy my love as I do theirs. I specialize in stepfamily dynamics and difficult transitions. I try to write from the heart with a sense of vulnerability, humor and a frank look at myself. Art shown: "Four Pots" by Lindsey Leavell

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NOVEMBER 30, 2010 2:16PM

Yes Virginia, There Are Still Some Gentlemen

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a gentleman 

I recently received an email from a young woman named "Virginia".  She was asking me if there were any manners left in the world.  She was wondering if the word "etiquette" even existed.  She's a freshman in college and was alarmed to read a recent study that reported that college freshmen tested at 40% less ability to empathize with the sufferings of others as compared to her counterparts who were twenty years older.

She lamented about phone calls being interrupted because the person she was talking to had another call coming and could she wait?  She was tired of gruff responses from customer service representatives and people screaming expletives at one another at the drop of the hat.

And for the life of her, she couldn't remember the last time a boy her age had opened the door for her. 

 I told her that quite frankly, I didn't have much hope, especially since manners seem to be something many parents no longer feel are important to teach to their children. Why just last week, I told her, I was holding two hot cups of coffee following a young girl of about 12 who was leaving the cafe ahead of me.  As I was going through the slightly opened door, she turned around and saw me coming.  With a blank look on her face, she turned around and let the door slam into me, spilling my coffee on my unsuspecting clothes.

I was with a friend and said loudly, "I guess her parents haven't taught her what manners are."  She never turned around.

When our four children were very young, my former husband and I were adamant that we would teach our children good manners.  We would practice with them when they were the smallest of tots.   

 We would have them walk across the room, look us straight in the eye, shake our hand and say, "Very nice to meet you."  We would take them to nice restaurants, even at their tender ages, and taught them manners and social graces.  If they didn't behave (this happened often enough), they would be whisked out of their chairs and taken outside until they could agree to come back in and behave themselves.

It was not uncommon for people to approach us halfway through the meal to commend us on the good behavior of our small children.  They admitted to feeling annoyance when they saw our small clan enter the restaurant and they admitted to being worried for nothing.

I taught my children to say "please" and "thank you".  And I would always laugh when people would tell me, "Your children are so polite.  How did you do it?"  I would say to them, "Thank you very much, but really, don't you think this should be expected behavior from children, from people in general?  That this should be the norm and not the exception?"

But rudeness seems to be the new decorum.  

Oh, but I had a ray of hope the other day.  A gesture so rare, so unseen, it changed my entire day.  No, it MADE my day.

I had some packages to mail and was carrying them awkwardly from my car to the mail center.  I was juggling them and hoping to just make it to the entrance without spilling them everywhere.

Out of the corner of my eye, I spied a father walking with his three young children.  The oldest, a boy who looked to be about four to five years old, was leading the pack.

I heard his father exclaim, "GENTLEMAN ALERT!  GENTLEMAN ALERT! OPPORTUNITY TO BE A GENTLEMAN HERE!"

His young son's face lit up in anticipation.  He didn't miss a beat.  He saw me with my packages, ran ahead of me and opened the door with the sweetest, brightest open smile I've seen in a long time.  His pride and joy at being able to help me were like bold rays of sunshine on an otherwise cold and bitter day.  

I smiled right back and said, "Oh my gosh.  Thank you so much!  What a true gentleman you are! Really.  Thank you so much.  You just made my day!"  Beaming, that kid was beaming.

The look of pride on his father's face was well deserved.

I loved that kid and I loved that father.  Clearly he was a father who took his parenting very seriously and had not forgotten in an age where the word "gentleman" is on the endangered species list, how to teach his son to be aware of the needs of others, even strangers.

I think a lot of men have been rebuffed, especially by women, when they offer to hold open a door, pay for a dinner, walk to the right of the women they are with.  They've been told it's insulting and demeaning.

I'm not one of those women and I never will be.  I believe in the importance of chivalry...not the fairy tale "knight in shining armor who will whisk me away to the land of happy ever after", but the chivalry that is conveyed by small acts of mindfulness and care.

So Virginia, to answer your question, YES, there are still gentlemen left in the world.  And when you see one, thank them.  Tell them you noticed. Tell them you appreciate them.  Teach your young sons and teach your young daughters to be gentlepeople.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love.  And some manners and good graces wouldn't hurt either. 

  

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Beautiful writing, Mary. It just skipped along like a pebble on the surface of a lake. You're right gentleness is in as much demand as it has always been, that is gentleness from one human being to another. I've had different experiences though, particularly with the holding a door open; I've had the most anti-social looking young people wait, and wait, for me to get to the door while they patiently hold it open. I was on CU campus for a year feeling horribly aged and conspicuous. I came across many gentlemen and gentlewomen even if in every other way they masqueraded as the zoned out, headphone sporting 'younger generation'. I played a sort of game there checking just how many times I actually had to open a door; hardly ever! In other words I have loads of hope. And I've met some of your children, they're not just good mannered they're genuinely warm, vibrant young people. Well done.
I recall in my early 20s meeting my boss in the parking lot at the start of a work day. A woman all of 5' 1" or so who was coming in with a big box of work stuff wobbling away on high heels. As I headed towards her to take the box, she glared at me, "Don't you even think about it!" as she headed towards the door. I simply looked at her and said, "Well, can I at least get the door for you?" Which was allowed. I remembered being dumbfounded.

Good for that dad. With my 4, we had practice Sunday dinners in the formal dining room. Proper etiquette there got them a dinner out where, yes, kids would be removed from the table for acting up. I was a stickler on knife and fork use, as it were, and it was a constant struggle.

Touring RPI with one of my sons, the tour guide showed us a cafeteria next to the career counseling center and proudly discussed how the career counselors ate with college seniors showing them the proper way to use silverware and to conduct themselves given that meetings over meals was critical in the job world.

There were knowing glances between the child and I, but I did bite down hard on the tongue until such time as we were in the car before uttering a very gratifying, "I told you so."
I agree with you Mary. Manners, empathy and politeness are so important. You can't have civility without them. I have taught my daughter, (now 13 and she wouldn't have slammed the door in your face if she saw that you were walking out the door behind her with two cups of coffee in your hand s) since she was small that little courtesies and kindness go a long way. I take great pride when people compliment me on her thoughtfulness. Wasn't easy, as she was the most ornery kid you have ever seen. She actually got extra cookies and homemade treats from her last school's cafeteria staff because she took the time to say hello, ask them about their day, clean up after herself if she made a big mess etc. You know, treat them like human beings and be appreciative of the work they did to have a hot meal ready for the students.

I remember one time she opened the door for someone and that person just swept past her without even looking at my kid. Kid turns to me and says loudly "How rude. She didn't say thank you." Woman gave her and me dirty look and I just smiled and waved. The kid got a kick out of that.
Mind if I put you on hold?
I just loved this! Very nicely done. I dearly wish that all our parenting was better.
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Learning starts at home. Children are "tabula rasa" - what we model and teach at home stays with them. Manners cannot be just expected - they have to be lived and practiced all the time, as you did with your children. I believe "feminism" is partially to blame for the demise of "gentlemanliness". Schools should also teach social skills alonside sex education. Thank you for this excellent post. I believe manners are always in season. ~R
Learning starts at home. Children are "tabula rasa" - what we model and teach at home stays with them. Manners cannot be just expected - they have to be lived and practiced all the time, as you did with your children. I believe "feminism" is partially to blame for the demise of "gentlemanliness". Schools should also teach social skills alonside sex education. Thank you for this excellent post. I believe manners are always in season. ~R
When my husband and I were courting her would stand and wait for me to sit down, open car doors, etc. This was not something I was used to or needed and I told him so. However, I liked his good manners as part of a package of thoughtfulness. It isn't the act as much as the thought, and it reflects civility, which lord knows we can use.
Hi, Mary!

I see it both ways out there in the real world. The real scrooges come out for the Holidays, but then so do those with manners. People seem to be so caught up in their own lives that they forget there are others sharing the planet with them. It's a sad thing to witness, for sure.

Still, manners and empathy are things that need to be taught. I don't think they come naturally like climbing trees and stealing cars. Maybe some people do have an empathy gene, but manners need to be taught to children or they grow up to be door slammers and hoodlums.

I learned manners the old fashioned way...I had it beat into me. Kidding of course, but manners were grouped in with behaving properly and misbehaving had consequences and the consequences were not pleasant.

The way it was put to me (over and over, again) was that the way children behaved was a reflection on the parents and the parents were not to be embarrassed by the behavior of their children or there would be hell to pay. Simple theory, yet very effective.

I wonder how much the parents care about things like that these days. Gawd, I sound old. Somebody shoot me.
ms mary ... i was taught to be a gentleman, i can be very gentlemanly, but i wonder sometimes if i am truly a gentleman ...
thanx for writing and sharing ... rated ... lew
We are rare birds indeed. I get around the whole I don't need your help thing by holding doors or opening them without regard for gender.
Many modern people have adopted a "survival of the fittest" attitude toward life: I'll kick your ass before you kick mine. Common courtesies have no place in this particular worldview. Although we can see the "survival of the fittest" mode reflected in the animal kingdom, it makes for a very sad way of life in human society, and transports us back to an animalistic, historic era when life was brutal and short. Kindness, forgiveness, gentleness and grace are steamrollered by those whose aim is to grab for as much power as they can, and take no prisoners while doing so. To those who feel that life is harsh, who feel they are justified in their brutality, I say: life is harsh and brutal because you are not contributing to a better mode of exchange. Even the tiniest expression of altruism brings light to a dark world.

If altruism and its gestures are snuffed out, we will be reverted back to a coarse and bitter existence where the strong are worshipped for crushing and exploiting the weak.
Very nice. Americans are considered warm--much warmer than the French, English & German. Yet those people are a million times more polite than we are. Just surface behavior, true. But so pleasant in our crowded cities. Thank you for your attention, and please invite me again, Miss Mary.
I know whereof you speak. I have had reason to be proud of my young men, though of course, they ain't purfekt either.
a few mothers have raised good son's. what I think is missing in the world is the aspects of a man being the head of the household. He works exc. but it's us women that keep the house together. This is so lost in the olden days I know but I wonder how different it would be if a man led his family.
Wonderful Mary - I've raised 3 girls, but hopefully with good manners. I do not have a lot of hope in things getting better. With all the "instant gratification" this and future generations have grown up to expect.
My kids always behaved exactly as I would have wished when they weren't being observed by their mother... it's a kid thing I guess. I was pleased to get back good reports or to get a peek at manners when they thought I wasn't .... 'scuse me... that's my other line, gotta run Mary.
This is Awesome, Mary!!!! Love the story of the little boy on "Gentlemen's Alert!" That is so priceless and I will pass this on to my grandson and grand daughter as well! "Suhweeet!!!"
To this day I get a little knot in my conscience if a woman insists that I go through a door first. Nothing about it feels right. You can thank my mom for that.
I missed you, Mary : ) This is great...I'm inspired with my older-than-five year-old!
Thank you so much for a post on manners....and I'm glad you found some. I am blessed with many polite people in my town, and frequestly am offered an open door. Or maybe it's just bacause I'm getting older.
Manners will make a comeback, as they never go out of style.
Amen! On the occassion when a young person of either gender holds the door I make a bigger deal of my thank you. I have gone so far as to compliment young men on their manners when they do so. Positive reinforcement, right? I MISSSSSS manners!

And it was also enjoyable to read Mary :-)
What's with the man walking to the right? What point does that serve? I've never heard of that, nor thought about it, nor noticed which side I'm on when walking with a man, nor would I really care. Somehow, civilization has ground on.

On the door-holding thing--it's not a matter of sex, it's a matter of convenience. I'll hold doors open for elderly men with walkers, men with strollers or small children, men carrying things. It would be stupid and rude to do otherwise--likewise, it would be just as stupid and rude for a man OR a woman to not hold a door open for me if there were some reason I couldn't do it myself.

Now, when I'm not otherwise encumbered, I don't care if a fella holds open a door or not. I'm not going to make a stink one way or the other, but I will say thank you if he does--the same as I would for anyone. Really, this whole door thing is a tempest in a tea pot--it's just a damn door.

On who pays for dinner--generally, I think whoever does the inviting should be prepared to pay. Whether one pays for one's own dinner or not at the end...well, having known too many men who regard this as a down payment, I'm not ready to put insisting on paying in the category of chivalrous behavior.
Being more than a little old school, when out in public, I still open doors for ladies -- tho I use that term loosely. You probably won't be surprised to learn that a majority of women brush by you without so much as a word or a nod. When a woman has the good graces to smile or say thanks, I usually reply with "There's a few of us left."

The rudeness of so many to whom I extend this courtesy led my son to question the point of good manners. My response was plain: Just because other people behave like pigs is no excuse for you to get down in the mud with them.
somehow I think you would like that new movie Tangled. a female heroine protagonist. but the male guy is kind of a rogue.
On the right? I thought it was the street side.
The tradition of a man walking on the street side of a woman comes from the horse and buggy days, keeping the woman from the unseemly end of a horse and possible splashs.
Bravo! There are still ladies out here too. And you are one of the great ones.
Being raised in the 50s, I was taught the old ways and still enjoy that warm fuzzy feeling I get from being a gentleman. In the past I used to simply hold the door open or help someone pick up things they have dropped. But now I feel compelled to speak during the act. I simply smile and say, "there's at least one gentleman left in the world." The defensive act of a dying species!
Great post. I'm one of those guys who holds doors open, help women put luggage in the overhead compartment, give up my seat on the bus, etc, because I was raised that way. I never have had a woman rebuff me for a gentlemanly gesture either. Maybe chivalry will make a comeback some day!
The neighborhood kids laughed at my family because my parents enforced good table manners - in the 1950s and '60s. But the first time a boy opened a door for me, or tried to, I had to wait for him to work his way around me and other people who were also approaching the door and it was getting in everyone's way. I just opened the door myself.

I also hate the use of the word chivalry because of its history and the implication that females can't take care of themselves. I prefer that consideration and politeness not be gender specific. I'm a little grouchy tonight but my kids have good manners.
Hi, Mary. I used to run into you all the time but we rarely cross paths anymore. I plan on changing that. Excellent essay! I cheer the father and the boys too. How are your beautiful girls? Hope all is well in your world.
I think that parents still parent when present, but with both working they are having to mail in the guidance that really has to be overseen in person.
You've seen the result.
90% of parenting is just being there. Some can't. Welcome to the world of wage-slavery.
I always hold doors open, pick things up for people and generally try to be polite. A lot of people have gaped at me as if I'm some kind of strange creature/throwback as a result, but what the heck.
Good manners is a survival technique in my opinion. Being aware of the impact of your behaviour on others is critical in this brutish world. I think my father avoided being robbed and beaten on the subway once by just being kind and thoughtful to a menacing thug who just needed someone to talk to. My dad, seemingly naive from the boondocks, identified himself as a doctor to this towering weapon wielding giant man. They discussed the man's health, tattoos, nutrition and weight lifting safety during that short ride as I barely kept my act together knowing we we in danger. When the subway car doors opened, the thug stepped back and allowed my dad to walk through and then me, with a smile and a wish for us to have a good day. I know that seems like a fairy tale, but you can get a load more bees with honey than with vinegar.
People who only exhibit good manners when they are being observed/judged (like on a first or second date) are quite different from those who do i t naturally, all the time. I'm always mindful of imitations.
I think that the loss of teaching manners has resulted in loss of concern for others in general. We have become a look out for myself and mine culture. Oh, I know there are still wonderful, caring thoughtful and giving folks out there, but rudeness seems to be at an all time high. Women (and I am one) who are offended by doors being opened or held for them certainly overreact to a gesture of kindness. As a childless person, I often want to tell parents that if they raise children who do not think of others and their needs, they will reap what they sow. But no one wants parenting suggestions from those who are not involved...so I keep my mouth shut. When I encounter children with good manners, I thank them and smile at the parent nearby. Everyone needs the encouragement.
Eddie Haskel had manners. 'Nuff said.

A person who looks only for manners is a person looking to be fooled. "But he was so polite - before he robbed me." It's the oldest con in the books.
I've been accused of being a gentleman too, as a young woman, because I saw no reason to not be helpful when someone needs the door or a lift with something- I guess we don't have a word for when women are polite and gracious to each other (maid?). I'm glad that dad has it covered, it is a sign of respect for women, not insult. I live in a land with no manners it seems.
If my son didn't learn to be the gentleman that he is I would have to kill him. -R-
Nowadays, when I'm out in public, I somewhat expect bad manners from pretty much everyone else. I don't expect doors to remain open for me, and all that sort of thing, mainly because I've had too many doors slam right in my face as I'm walking behind someone who sees me but doesn't care. I'm always courteous to others, but no longer expect it in return.
What Tom Cordle said!!
Also, I STILL do what Bernadine said.
There is a newer attitude about this though.
Now that there are no "horse and buggies" although many horse's asses are still out there, a new thought about this is that muggers/thieves, etc hide in dorrways.
Well, I suppose butt, these things have been ingrained in me for so long that I do all of them without thinking.
When I do some of these things, I get responses from surprise to apperciation to absolute rudeness in return.

I just had to laugh in my little airhead about what Lea said.
I envisioned her telling me about not needing her chair to be held and pulling it away.lol SPLAT!!

Being that I'm a man, there is something that I regularly experience when I'm shopping.
The rudest of all people in stores are women and, it is typically those who are overweight or fat.
This is even when I am my own self as a "gentleman".
BTW-Those some ones are like that in their cars.
There, I said it and, it's true.
Reading back over these comments (I have to check whether Mary responded to me, don't I?) I would just like to invite everyone to move to Minneapolis. People are always holding doors and giving up seats and helping out. Even kids. Even sometimes on the train. That's in the city, though, not in the suburbs. I don't go to the suburbs much but people do seem ruder there. (I think the train is full of suburbanites which explains that.) And not while driving - people here are rude ass bad drivers. (And again, I blame suburbanites for that.) Just saying, politeness and consideration aren't all that dead everywhere.
@ Leandra: I understood the walking positioning to be more to be between the street and the women. It reportedly stemmed from the old days when the streets were essentially sewers, with folks throwing chamber pots and washbowls out into the streets. The man was to be on the outside such that he protected the woman from any splash back from the disposal toss. At least that was the explanation I received in my High School Shakespeare class ...
I work in a building where all the men open or hold doors for the women and allow women to enter and exit elevators first, etc. I have no objection if they don't--and frequently when younger men first start at the office they don't until they observe that it is protocol at the company--but it makes life easier for everyone, because we all know what to expect. I frequently hold doors for anyone who has their hands full, etc, as well.

I loved your story about the little boy--what a great way to teach a child about how to be in the world.
Rude, belligerent, impatient, snarcastic...they're all signs of the times.

Have I been guilty of any of these? Yup. But, I'm not dishonest and I cannot tell a lie. Being nice didn't get me far in life. It didn't pay my bills, put food in my kids' mouths, or change anybody else's rudeness.

There are some gentle people. They're genuinely warm and inviting. Honesty is the best policy.
I have absolutely loved the comments and discussions that ensued from this post. A busy work schedule precludes me from commenting individually (and I hate not being able to do that today more than I can say). One thing I want to point out was that there was no sexist intention to this post. I have always made a habit of trying to be polite and kind to strangers, no matter their gender. I agree strongly with Ms. Chariot's good and wise comment. I think there is more rudeness and self-involvement than ever before, and I do hope that kindness and courtesy are essential to a civilized culture.

Also, to Homeless Harry: I hear what you're saying. It was well known that Ted Bundy was very "chivalrous." Shudder shudder.
That's a clever way the father managed to prompt the child, allowing him to rise to the occasion without having to be told precisely what to do. It shows great care and planning and I can imagine the pride of the child at mastering the issue.
Great post, Mary. Love the Gentlemen Alert. Yet I'm disappointed you blame in part the rebuffs of women for men not being gentlemen. Once again, we women are to blame for the faults of men. Sheesh! That excuse was created by men for their own poor behavior. I don't buy it. But I do buy you! xoxoxo
As classy of writing as ever Mary. Love your insights!
I too, am amazed at how few parents take the time to teach their children manners. Actually, I'm amazed at how few parents have any manners themselves! I've found that the easiest way to teach my kids anything is by example. When kids hear their parents saying "please" and "thank you" they naturally say it, too.
RATED for reminding us of how wonderful (and unfortunately rare) common courtesy is, and how important it is to teach it to kids :)
I never fart in front of a lady. I always wait my turn. R