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Mary Wollstonecraft

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Mary Wollstonecraft is a group blog. Anyone can become a contributor. We welcome posts on feminism, sexism, misogyny, nonsexist childrearing, misandry, male-bashing. Email redstockinggrandma45@gmail.com or PM me to ask for login and password. If you prefer, ask me to post it. Mary Joan Koch/aka Redstocking Grandma http://open.salon.com/blog/mary_king

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NOVEMBER 28, 2009 8:40PM

Looking for the Manual in Dating

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Matt DeCoursey

It’s been interesting, dating again in middle age. Like anyone in that situation, I began by looking for the manual, asking advice, often from younger people. A young female friend told me, “If a woman insists on splitting the cheque in a restaurant, it means she want to be just friends and not lovers.”

I very quickly discovered that this was not true. The first woman I went out with insisted on splitting the cheque, and the reason was quite different. Chinese women have a reputation as golddiggers, even among themselves. She was saying to me, “I’m not like that. I don’t want anything material from you. I really am looking for a relationship.”

My young friend was still partly right, though. When a woman allows the man to pay the whole bill, one thing she may be saying is, “We are not just two friends having a chat. I am the woman and you are the man, and that’s how I want it.”

The man and the woman do need to signal to each other whether they feel the incipient relationship as potentially sexual. It’s complicated, because people often lie in one way or another. They protect themselves by concealing a real attraction. They exaggerate a feeling of attraction because they know that the nervousness of the first date may conceal real potential, and they wouldn’t want to miss it. A man may treat a woman in a sexual way because he sees that as his role, or because he thinks she may be hurt if he doesn’t recognize her as a woman. There is a certain pressure in the social situation to pursue a woman out of politeness rather than out of conviction.

When I set this fresh experience next to the dating manual called The Rules, I think I can see both the appeal of the manual and the damage that it does. The process is confusing and difficult, and it is appealing to have rules to follow. To the extent that the Rules work, they work exactly on the kind of unspoken signalling I’ve just been talking about. Indeed, Rule 4 is “Don’t meet him halfway or go dutch on a date.” It as at least sometimes true that if a woman splits the cheque with a man she’s interested in, he may get the idea she’s not interested. The Rules insist that the woman should stay within the female role, and functionally there’s a certain sense in that.

The construction of the woman in The Rules, while conservative and restrictive, seems to me not inhumane. It pictures her as a person with her own desires and ambitions trying to get what she wants in a system of gender roles she never made, and which don’t necessarily fit her. Repeatedly, the authors recognize that conformity to female roles is difficult and unnatural. Their insistence is that conformity works, will get a woman what she wants.

The construction of the man, on the other hand, is remarkable for its simple-minded inhumanity and refusal to view men as full human beings. The authors make no distinction between the man as a real human being and the social role. The authors write,

Men are different from women. Women who call men, ask them out, conveniently have two tickets to a show, or offer sex on the first date destroy male ambition and animal drive. Men are born to respond to challenge” (p. 7).

This passage makes me feel physically ill. I wouldn’t deny that men are different from women, and wouldn’t deny that the differences need to be recognized in dating. But the authors reduce men to a cartoon of a rugby player.

Even worse, consider this passage:

“Are men really shy? … Perhaps a therapist would say so, but we believe that most men are not shy, just not really, really interested if they don’t approach you” (p. 27).

This passage denies my entire youth, my whole younger experience as a human being. It tells women that they must not have empathy with a man such as I was, that there is nothing to be gained from seeing what that man feels and responding to it. There’s a caveat: it says “most men” here, where the previous passage was totalizing–but the rest of the book treats the statement the same as the total generalization, and the two are logically connected. If the essence of all men is “animal drive,” then the denial of shyness is a logical consequence.

The book proceeds as if intuition did not exist. How did I know what it meant when my companion wanted to split the cheque? Initially, it was intuition, confirmed later in experience. I need to be aware of what it may mean if a woman wants to split the cheque, but I don’t need a rule laid down for me about what it always means. Similarly, a woman should not need a flat rule like this to tell her what it means if a man is standoffish. She sees his face. She hears his voice. She can make a judgment.

At last I think I know who this book is aimed at: women who lack humanity. They do not see the people around them fully as people, but as data to be fed into an algorithm. The book as a whole is about power struggle, about getting what you want. Unfortunately, “getting what you want” seems to involve wilfully constructing one’s world as lonely and cold.

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Well, I am not familiar with "The Rules," which is good, because I have never believed in rules... and I suspect many of your dates might not know them either. I believe in having fun. Even if it's just meeting for drinks once. Authenticity and real communication go far, too.

With the Mary Wollstonecroft lead in, I thought maybe this was a Victorian reference...
I wholeheartedly agree with these sentiments—especially that using intuition to understand what is really going on is far superior to using any set of rules. Of course intuition needs to be honed. It seems to me that I used to misinterpret all the time, while by now I often trust my intuition even when it contradicts what the other person is saying. People love it when you correctly see through their denials and protestations of course.
So, Arnie, you and I, two men, agree upon the importance of intuition on a feminist blog. Yes, intuition has to be learned. It's the hell of being young that your intuition isn't that great. Middle age is by a long way the best time of life. At least so far.
I admit that shortly after my husband of 28 years left me, I fell in love with my future husband over the internet and spared myself the horrors of middle-aged dating. Trying to deduce too much from a first date seems a recipe for failure.

I would have thought The Rules horrendously dated 40 years ago.
It's not that bad, Grandma, it's really not. I never had this good a time when I was young. Too busy being anguished. If I'd read the Rules when I was young, I would never have been able to say with such confidence, "What a load of bull." Older people are more straight with each other, too. There's more consideration, less lying out of self-protection. It's just a better world.
Dating was a nightmare for me -- especially because I came out of a very difficult childhood and adolescence, at times fully convinced that the world existed only to torture me. I ended up escaping from it, thanks to people who I met often by sheer accident, though sometimes in a context that did correspond to dating, more or less. And in these contexts, my intuition was a much more important guide as to what was going on than any 'rules.'

I understand the appeal of books like 'the Rules' -- they're like the Schaum collection of mathematical textbooks, trying to reduce the whole thing to a number of simple rules plus a plethora of exercises of increasing level of difficulty. The idea is to make the panic manageable -- it's not as difficult as it seems, don't panic, if you do this and this and this you'll always solve the problem, you'll finally get what you want.

But, as Matthew points out above, what a bleak world it presupposes. Men as hunting animals? Men (or women for that matter) can construe themselves as such if they so want, but more often than not having to play the active role is more of a burden. I have done it on occasion -- but never with pleasure. I'm sure there are men who like it that way -- but the majority? :-)...

People are complicated, meeting people and getting to like them and be liked by them is complicated, and to a large extent unpredictable. C'est la vie, and The Rules and other similar books aren't going to change that.-
"A man may treat a woman in a sexual way because he sees that as his role, or because he thinks she may be hurt if he doesn’t recognize her as a woman. There is a certain pressure in the social situation to pursue a woman out of politeness rather than out of conviction. "

An astute comment that bears some reflection.

Men are 'faking it' for politeness. Faking what? That they find a woman sexually attractive and must show it by acting "interested".

Is this what all this chatter about women becoming "invisible" is all about? That men no longer demonstrate this interest? The only irony here is that this follows years of complaints about "objectifying".
Strangely I have become more visible at 60 with white hair--no doubt as a grandmotherly figure, a friend, not a sex object, I only ever wanted my two husband to regard me as their sex objects. What do I care about every other man in the universe? Growing up I had absolute confidence in my intellect but very little in my sexuality. My friends played dumb to attract high school boys, and I would never do that. Chris, my first husband, was the first to love my mind and my body equally.

I chase my husband. In fact I asked him to marry me so many times that I didn't realize when he said yes:)

Red always helps with the invisibility problem..