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APRIL 2, 2010 10:44PM

Hatred of Men II

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Since writing about misandry in marywollstonecraft a couple of months ago, I’ve been watching the news on the Internet, and, you know, the situation is worse than I thought.

Consider the flap over Sandra Bullock and the supposed Oscar curse. If by some insane chance you missed it, the general idea is that women who win Oscars supposedly lose their husbands very soon. There was commentary on this saying, appropriately enough, that this looks like a way of discouraging women from trying to be successful. But consider how it portrays men! Apparently, we have no consideration or loyalty, but respond to women’s successes as if we were four years old, jealous because the other kid got the red crayon. I suppose we do have irrational envy sometimes–we are men, after all, and not angels–but nothing obliges us to act on such feelings. Feelings like that enter into a complex, existing structure of feeling and thought. We are not rats in a maze.

One Amy Jenkins, writing in The Independent, comments on a new film about a female assassin. Under the heading “The Fantasy that is Violent Women,” she writes, “women really don't go around murdering people.” It is certainly true that a huge majority of women never murder anybody–but the same is actually true of men. She remarks at the end of the article that “only 5 to 15 per cent of violent crimes against the person are committed by women. That's a tiny proportion.” All right, if .01 percent of men commit a murder, and .001 percent of women, what conclusions can we draw about the sexes?  Well, none, really. The male figure may be ten times the female figure, but both are so small that no generalizations about the sexes can be drawn from them. Ms. Jenkins seems to be objecting to an image that conflicts with her self-image as a woman. This would be fine, except that she is implicitly slandering men to make her point.

The stereotype of men as violent depends considerably on the view of testosterone as simply, always and forever promoting aggressive behaviour. There’s a problem, though. This is only problematically true even of rats.  With human beings, it is not clear that it is true at all. Some men, and some women, will say, “Men just are that way, because of the testosterone, so live with it.” But that is not an answer. If we are reduced to the supposed aggression in our blood, we are not human beings. The men who use this defence must, I think, be self-hating, defeatist people, willing to destroy social respect for them as human beings in the name of a freedom which, in the real world, would be lonely and destructive. They are living a life of appalling fantasy. They feed into women’s fears and gain nothing worthwhile from it. Women who say the same are living in a world of fantasy too, potentially condemning themselves to isolation from half the human race.

Once again prominent in the US blogosphere is a perennial image: A girl gets drunk at a frat house party and is raped, or claims she has been raped. There always seem to be endless discussions about the girl’s responsibility or otherwise for what happened to her. This is true even when the point is raised as hypothetical, as in a recent article in the student newspaper of American University. A now-famous Alex Knepper writes,

"Let’s get this straight: any woman who heads to an EI party as an anonymous onlooker, drinks five cups of the jungle juice, and walks back to a boy’s room with him is indicating that she wants sex, OK? To cry “date rape” after you sober up the next morning and regret the incident is the equivalent of pulling a gun to someone’s head and then later claiming that you didn’t ever actually intend to pull the trigger."

(I gather EI must be a fraternity.) The portrayal of men in this anecdote, as in all versions of the frat-house-date-rape thing, is problematic. The man appears as driven by his nature (testosterone?) to want sex with a girl who is apparently barely coherent, on the point of passing out at any moment, and who might throw up on you during the act. This also is defended–even by men!–as just arising from male nature. This is the same direct nature-to-act link that makes it seem as if men have no conscious decision-making power.

So men want sex with women, regardless of the circumstances. They respond aggressively at slight provocation. They have tantrums if their women are more successful than they are. And, though I haven’t got into the examples here, it appears that men are driven by evolutionary psychology to have sex with as many women as possible, and men who stick to one woman are just eunuchs.

All of these things have in common a direct link from the supposed “animal drives” to action, and in effect an assertion that men are unable to make decisions for themselves.

That is hatred of men.

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It's great to see someone pointing out some of the double-standard aspects of the entire sexism dilemma. Many people conflate sexism with either misogyny or misandry. It is possible to be sexist without it being hatred.

It will be interesting to see if you get any attacks from this rational appeal to reason.

Nice post, Matthew. RATED
Thank you for standing up to this disconcerting myth that men can not control themselves due to their nature. I find this a dismissive and patronizing to everyone.
Thank you for being positive about my post. I wobble about the word "hatred." These negative stereotypes, whether about men or about women, have the impact of hatred, and you don't want to lose the strength of the word. At the same time, it is unusual for any individual to hate a whole sex.

No attacks so far, Rick.
Lately I've been doing some work at an inner city school. Every adult worker in that school, and I think many other, too, will tell you that the girls are much more prone to fighting than the boys. I won't make any societal generalizations from that observation, but only say that it is obvious that anyone, male or female, can react violently and inappropriately to external stimuli, and gender seems to have little to do with it.
I think that the male stereotypes that you seek to deflate here are often adopted by certain men because they seek to avoid responsibility for their lack of impulse control, but in so doing they demonstrate that it's a cynical and intentional choice of how to be.

The other day some idiot at Huffington Post misunderstood something that I wrote about Don Imus and Chris Wallace, and rather than ask a clarifying question, started with the typical accusations some men make towards women of attempting castration on men generally. That just never gets old! Quien es mas macho? There is nothing like generalizing about one sex or the other to start an argument.

That Frat house rape thing is a tired but oft repeated theme in television cop-crime shows.

Still, not long ago a version of that was repeated by Bill O'Reilly when he blamed a girl for how she was dressed when she was raped. Ideally, women could dress however they want and be free to live their lives. But ideals and reality are often not in sync with one another. I agree with and second Rita's comments.
I think that the male stereotypes that you seek to deflate here are often adopted by certain men because they seek to avoid responsibility for their lack of impulse control, but in so doing they demonstrate that it's a cynical and intentional choice of how to be.

The other day some idiot at Huffington Post misunderstood something that I wrote about Don Imus and Chris Wallace, and rather than ask a clarifying question, started with the typical accusations some men make towards women of attempting castration on men generally. That just never gets old! Quien es mas macho? There is nothing like generalizing about one sex or the other to start an argument.

That Frat house rape thing is a tired but oft repeated theme in television cop-crime shows.

Still, not long ago a version of that was repeated by Bill O'Reilly when he blamed a girl for how she was dressed when she was raped. Ideally, women could dress however they want and be free to live their lives. But ideals and reality are often not in sync with one another. I agree with and second Rita's comments.
There is an interesting dynamic that exists in our culture regarding the perspectives of men and women by men and women. It is a patriarchal culture, which necessarily imparts many advantages to men. Yet, simultaneously, women acquire a certain benefit from the overall attitudes towards women. There are the stereotypes that they cannot be violent, don't murder, don't retaliate physically, and don't have some of the same base drives as men.

One particularly good example of this strange dynamic is the distinction (even if unwritten) between males and females in cases of "statutory rape". We've seen in recent years a bit of turning point with that particular double-standard as we've begun to see more and more cases of older women being charged for having sex with males who are minors. But for ages, the idea that a women would commit such an act was not considered in the same light as when a man commits the same act.

As with all things involving perceptions of "the other", it's best if we can recognize that the other is rarely that; the other is often what we make of them.
Susanne, you are absolutely right. I sometimes think of it in these terms: men and women are subject to different temptations. There are always going to be people who just take the line of least resistance, but that line is located differently according to social roles. It must also change when body chemistry is different, but we are far from understanding how.

I do appreciate your engagement, Susanne. You've written about a painful history in the past, and yet here you still are, working to be constructive.
I deplore sexism and stereotypes of any sort. Thanks for reminding us that it runs both ways. Folks of all "types" know how to behave poorly or well. ~r!
I agree!

Matt, I once wrote a paper making a really similar point and my professor HATED it. She marked me down because "stereotypes about men are mostly imagined and lack the destructive effects of stereotypes about women." Can you imagine?
Surely stereotypes are always imagined. Isn't that kind of the point?

It's important to notice, actually, that these stereotypes about men hurt women too. The Sandra Bullock thing and the frat house thing both have consequences in terms of limiting what women feel they can do. The remarkable thing is that some people are able to notice the bad consequences for women without noticing the offensive portrayal of men that brings about the bad consequences.

Many people insist on thinking about gender relations as if there were always a zero-sum game. I'm not sure why, unless it is just intellectual laziness. People's dominant metaphor is economic: resources are scarce, so some people get them and some don't. But in the world of ideas, socialization, ideology, we're not dealing with resources. We're dealing with preconceptions.
I think your larger point about the statistical difference between violent men and women is sound. It's rare and aberrant in both genders. That's the most salient feature.

But I am not quite convinced it's mooted, that difference intra-gender for just the violent. That's a big gap.

Nonetheless you make an important point. And it extends to other male behaviors as well. I know few men, for example, who share classic "locker room" talk about women's bodies.

Then again I live in the civilized Hudson Valley.

Good post, Matthew.
Matt, this is excellent. I've been battling the "spreading the seed" accusation for four years now. I think the men who accept that this is "male nature" are just using it as an excuse to indulge themselves remorselessly in sensual pleasure and numerous women just accept this "theory" to place themselves, rather sanctimoniously in my opinion, on a higher moral ground than men.

Rated!