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Max the Communist

Max the Communist
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Chicago, Illinois, USA
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January 17
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"Her beauty served a mob of terror whose one mission is to destroy." Yeah, that's me alright. I am a writer, actor, activist. That means I've worked in the hospitality and retail industries. Before you ask for fries with that, prepare yourself for political, economic, social, and sexual liberation. Not a total commie. I just marvel at the inflammatory red-baiting language--so much like queer-baiting, it's scaaary. I will be your downfall yet, America. Until then, I go for universal healthcare and making friends with anarchists, hippies, fellow-travelers, philosophers, actors, and other troublemakers. And, of course, da queers. So I'm pinko. Does that make me more Canadian than anything else? How queer are they in Canukistan? And can they put me up for the night--you know, just in case? In other words, just your typical OS blogger.

SEPTEMBER 16, 2009 6:32PM

Bisexual Chauvinism

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 adam and eve and carol? 
Adam and Eve and Carol and Bob and Alice ? 

I love hearing and reading positive things about bisexuality and seeing positive images of bisexual, pansexual, and fluid sexuality people.  Sheela Lambert's coverage of the recent MTV Video Music Awards is a zany bi-lapalooza or pan-apalooza, if you will, of current pop idols--exploding on everyone's TV screen across the nation.

Positive acknowledgment of fluid sexuality and positive images of bold bi, pan, and queer people act as a salve upon the soul, a vital counteractive medication to the negative, shallow, and exploitative representation of fluid sexuality that goes for daily fare in mainstream culture.  

But there's a moment when positivity goes overboard into meaningless, inaccurate, and unthinking bi chauvinism.  It's in this territory that we smell a strong whiff of desperation, a longing and grasping for anything that will prop up us, to help us to feel good about ourselves.  Clinging to bi chauvinism is always defensive.  While understandable, in reaction to the continuous stream of negative bisexual imagery--or worse, bisexual erasure--eventually it cannot fill the emptiness we feel inside, when longing for true and fully human reflections of ourselves.  

Imagine my surprise when I came across this article today, written by a straight woman, assessing bisexuality as the most mature of all sexual orientations.  Now, there's a real ego-stroker!   This kind of press I could wallow in all day.  

Still, the assertions she makes about bisexuality are a false ideal, not because the usual derogatory press about us is the true reality.  No, her positions are ill-conceived because they miss the mark altogether.

"So how does all of this relate to . . . why bisexuality is the most mature orientation?  To put it as controversially as possible, the rest of us only care about what is or is not hanging between your legs.  What you have going on down there ultimately determines how we interact with you, whether we are conscious of that or not.  From the bisexual view, you are a person.  You are beautiful or you are ugly.  You are mean or you are nice.  In other words, you are evaluated first as a person, not as the possessor of a penis or a pudendum, and really, can't we all agree that it's just a bit more mature to look at a person and not what's in their pants?"   

I'm ready and willing to discuss in extensive detail all the non-physical attributes that can possibly evoke an erotic response.  For one, I find a devastating wit and great sense of humor to be very sexy.  Make me laugh and make me think--you've practically got me into bed right there.  Daring and audacity also turn me on.  

But could I ever say that physicality has nothing to do with my attraction toward people?  All that I could really say for certain is that I enjoy a greater range of physical attributes and/or what's "hangin' out between the legs" is not a primary consideration, either as a point of attraction or as a deterrent to attraction.  

I certainly enjoy viewing other people's representation of their gender as a mark of individual expression.  But it's important for me to note that I learned to appreciate gender-as-self-expression from years of being exposed to queer culture.  Before then, I unthinkingly ascribed to the mainstream heteronormative* view that gender was something that you are stamped with from birth and stayed with you to the grave.  

My personal experience hardly defines fluid sexuality.  But I can't subscribe to the suggestion that the monosexually-oriented only care for "what's hangin' out between the legs" and care nothing at all for any personal attributes in a partner.  No lesbian only wants a woman for her vagina and will take any vagina that will come along, regardless of who it's attached to.  This kind of talk about homosexuality and heterosexuality is dehumanizing and can't be supported.  

"I am NOT trying to say that people who do identify as having a bisexual orientation are inherently more mature than the rest of us or that they have thought in these terms."

Quite right--maturity is as maturity does.  Once upon a time, I believed that bisexuality was the more evolved sexuality--but, then, I needed to believe that because I was without a community and I felt desperately alone.  Time and healing and finding acceptance from people across all sexual and gender identities gave me the strength to no longer put bisexuality on a pedestal above other orientations in order to bolster my own fragile self-esteem.

I will state for the record that there are challenges to achieving a level of maturity about fluid sexuality that straight--and perhaps even lesbian and gay--people may not face.  This is a culture that will not assist someone with fluid sexuality to understand and manage their sexuality appropriately.  No, this culture cultivates ignorance and fear about human sexuality.  It does not reward frankness and honesty; it creates an environment where sometimes one must hide or lie in order to survive.  Try being mature in that kind of crazy-making environment.   

Every LGBTQ person in this society has to fight for their self-understanding and self-knowledge.  Bisexuals, pansexuals, queer-identified, and no-labels fluid sexuality people will meet just as many obstacles, if not more, to the self-acceptance and self-love that makes mature choices and behavior a regular feature of daily life.  One will encounter the obstacle of some people never considering you mature, no matter what you do.   

Bisexuals specifically face the stereotype that we are always in a state of immaturity--going through a phase, being trendy, trying to be (adolescently) cool--with others claiming an expertise on our sexuality while our own credibility is constantly denied.  Others claim to know us better than we know ourselves.  Among lesbians and gay men, one can receive the treatment that you haven't "graduated" to full-on (read: mature) lesbian and gay status.  You can get stuck in "Remedial Queer Class" or sat at the kiddy table. 

And by all means, it must be pointed out that one aspect of heteroprivilege is that heterosexuality is always (mis)represented as the "mature" sexual orientation, regardless of the perpetual bad behavior of individual heterosexuals.  That's hetero-chauvinism, which largely goes unchallenged.

As for LGBTQ people together addressing their shared oppressions, I'm not convinced that the mature approach is always the best one.  Sometimes ranting and upsetting the status quo is precisely what is needed.  And it feels good.  

Finally, I can't not address these assertions in the article:

" . . . Jesus was bisexual in the sense that he was a lover of people as they were . . . if we are striving to be Christlike, we should strive to be bisexual."   

Without going into the whole agape vs. eros thing (does agape always have to be versus  eros?), Jesus hasn't been physically with us for a long time.  Like Shakespeare, we can make all kinds of claims about Jesus.  He was really bisexual, he was really black, he was really a woman, he was really Irish . . . the claims we could make about Shakespeare or Jesus are practically endless.  

This rather falls in line with one commenter's statement: "I think in a Utopian society, everyone would be bisexual."  Really?  That would be Utopia?  Would replacing homophobia and compulsory heterosexuality with compulsory bisexuality and monosexual-phobia be the fulfillment of an ideal society or a City On the Hill or whatever-the-fuck?  

Plus, could you imagine Sunday school?  "Be bisexual just like Jesus, everybody!"  I think I may barf.  The bisexual is ready to barf at a bisexual Jesus.  That's got to tell you something.  

Keep in mind that Western Civilization has already seen historical periods in which bisexuality or fluid sexuality in the course of a lifetime was the convention.  Remember Ancient Greece and Rome?  Those cultures were also fiercely patriarchal, imperialistic, and slavery was the backbone of their economies.  Kinda like America at its beginnings, without the Christianity.  I don't want to return to the bad old days of either civilization.   

If there's a point to be made about human sexuality it's this:  human sexuality is diverse; fluid sexuality is part of some people's make-up; homoeroticism--from fantasy all the way to desire and behavior--is part of the human condition.  But what makes for a more just society?  

Human beings will always be passionate, but what encourages more just, compassionate and considerate conduct toward each other, whether we're having sex with each other or not?  Endorsing or coercing pure heterosexuality is definitely not the answer.   

let the little children come unto me, and let them be bisexual 

*I thought I wouldn't be able to get through a post like this without using a word like "heteronormative."  With your forebearance, it means those punitive legal, social, and familial rules that compel us to conform to hegemonic, heterosexual standards for identity. 

 

 

 

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To put it as controversially as possible, the rest of us only care about what is or is not hanging between your legs. What you have going on down there ultimately determines how we interact with you, whether we are conscious of that or not. From the bisexual view, you are a person. You are beautiful or you are ugly. You are mean or you are nice. In other words, you are evaluated first as a person, not as the possessor of a penis or a pudendum, and really, can't we all agree that it's just a bit more mature to look at a person and not what's in their pants?

I went out to read the article and copied what you have in your article. The above is one of the most disgusting assessments of humanity I have ever read. I am sorry that her sexual experience has been thus, but to project that onto everyone else by way of an article, is the most immature thing I can think of. xox
@Robin--and since she identifies as straight, does she really feel qualified to express a "bi/pansexual point of view"? Has she read or heard the points of view that other people with fluid sexuality have? Because we don't agree with each other, being individuals.

Oh the humanity! Yes, we need more humane representations of sexuality. Full-bodied souls like you understand.
another interesting and well-written post, max...maybe sometime down the road we should have an OS meetup for the bi-guys and gals amongst us--not in a spirit of exclusion, but in a spirit of celebrating the whole 'fluidity' thing...
"Bisexuals specifically face the stereotype that we are always in a state of immaturity--going through a phase, being trendy, trying to be (adolescently) cool--with others claiming an expertise on our sexuality while our own credibility is constantly denied. Others claim to know us better than we know ourselves. Among lesbians and gay men, one can receive the treatment that you haven't "graduated" to full-on (read: mature) lesbian and gay status. You can get stuck in "Remedial Queer Class" or sat at the kiddy table. "
Yes, the world needs to hear this. Straight and gay people often think bisexuals are lying or "not fully out of the closet." You may just be a confused straight person to them, or you may be seen as a not-fully-out-of-the-closet gay person. I have even heard someone tell a bisexual that he was "trisexual"--he'd try anything.

And yes, there would still be prejudice if bisexuality became the most common identity--just like "if women ruled the world," it would still contain strife. As long as one group has inordinate power over others, there will be injustice.
Good piece.
(Um, I didn't mean it that way... ;) ).....
@mistercomedy--that would be a brilliant idea. You know that Sept. 23 is Celebrate Bisexuality Day. In Chicago, there's going to be a gathering at the Center On Halsted for a viewing of "Bi the Way." I wonder if we couldn't do something on OS during the day.
She may 'identify' as straight in outer space, but she reads like a closet gay woman, who wannnntttssss to be with a woman as long as it represents something more than sex. xox
wow, Mr. Comedy is representin'! Yay! xox
@Delia--and don't forget the heteroprivilege of never challenging heterosexuality on its "maturity" claims.

I find the notion that waiting for someday to come, when we'll all be equal and then we can all "allow" fluid sexuality to be expressed to be particularly heinous. I'm not waiting for someday, I'm not waiting for Utopia. I have to live my life now.
@Robin--hmmm . . . I'm torn myself between "it's not the gender, it's the person I'm attracted to." I mean I am attracted to both the physical and the emotional aspects of people. Got to think about it more.

But, yeah, not appreciating the lusty responses we have to people is not humane--to ourselves or others.
It's always a delight when mistercomedy shows up.
The section Robin quoted reminds me of a conversation I had with my Dad after I'd been out for about a year. He was trying to tell me about God's will for my life i.e. "be straight." I said something like it seemed likely that God wasn't worried about what was between our legs, but what was in our hearts - do we love well?

There's always so much more to it, but my Dad did stop talking for a little while.
Really, though - it always comes down to person plus person/people, doesn't it? There are so many reasons/non-reasons that attraction is what it is . . . or isn't.
Among SOME lesbians and gay men, one can receive the treatment that you haven't "graduated" to full-on (read: mature) lesbian and gay status. You can get stuck in "Remedial Queer Class" or sat at the kiddy table.

I fixed your post for you Max. Your keyboard must need a new "SOME" button or else you need to turn off your "gross generalizations about gays and lesbians" settings. ;)

P.S. I completely agree with Robin on Ms. mendicantmelly, the writer chick. (except I think Robin was too nice about it!)
I'm gonna say it...typically, for a human....we see first. And then, because we are actually made good, we hope hope hope that the person is as wonderful and amazing and that we are to them, as we think they look. And even if it goes the other way, and we get close to someone, and they begin to 'look' sexually attractive...there is still that element....xox
A fascinating article. I was amused by this quote from the author you cite: " . . . Jesus was bisexual in the sense that he was a lover of people as they were . . . if we are striving to be Christlike, we should strive to be bisexual." I didn't just think it was funny bringing Jesus into it (of course, he's brought into everything else as well!), but that one's sexuality (as opposed to one's maturity) is really supposed to be the decisive factor when it comes to social interaction, as if there weren't both nice and nasty bisexuals out there. I suppose one could say the same about ambidextrous people and it would be just as valid (or not)! And while reading your piece, I couldn't help recalling an old saying about former Egyptian president Anwar Saddat: "You can't help but trust a man who smokes a pipe."

Rated.
@Owl--I think your response to your dad was perfect.

There is certainly a case to be made for attraction having a mysterious element. You're drawn to this person--but why?
@Safe--I will certainly use the word "some" more often . . . and I will emphasize that the problem isn't just "some lesbians and gay men"--there is cultural conditioning within the LGBTQ community to represent bisexual/pansexual people as "not graduated" or remedial.

Why do I say this? Because I have been at too many LGBTQ events where speakers made jokes at the expense of bisexuals (and no comparable ones about any other queers) and it wasn't just "some" lesbians and gay men who laughed while others groaned or didn't laugh. The vast majority of them laughed.

Ah, but you weren't there to protest bisexuals being made the laughing stock or the whipping boy, were you Safe_Bet? You would have come to our defense, I feel it.
@Robin--nothing wrong with lookin', cher!
@incandescent--Yeah--"bisexual like Jesus." Actually, I think that is a pretty good name for an emo band . . . or maybe a Christian emo band? Somebody else is going to have to start the bands around here.
@Alan--I personally like the statement made about W. C. Fields: "A man who hates children and dogs can't be all bad."

Actually, let's all gang up on ambidextrous people this week and then next week bring out the revelation that Jesus was ambidextrous.

And besides, who's to say that bi/pansexuals aren't interested in what's going on "downtown"? We're just open to seeing several different features, that's all.
@incandescent--it is all about what people think they can legitimately claim, isn't it? "Gays are promiscuous"--that's a fact. "Lesbians are man-haters"--that's a fact. "Bisexuals don't exist"--that's a fact.

File them all with: "Satan put dinosaur bones in the ground," etc.
During my Bisexual Teen Scene year ( early 1980s) I had a friend who used to say, "If you're not bi, you're biased." We all thought that was very profound...which indicated that we were just a bunch of immature, adolescent bisexuals! People who are actually mature know that no group has a monopoly on maturity.
Max & Incandescent: I'm okay with "most" actually, when you are discussing gay and lesbian bias (no pun intended) against bisexuals. But I DO take exception when "all" is said or even implied. It's wrong, hurtful and counter productive.

However, as we've discussed before, "many" of us believe that "rights" are only truly equal when they apply to everybody in the LGBTQ community. By painting ALL gays and lesbians with such a broad brush you are sorta doing to us what you are condemning others for doing to you. That ALSO is wrong, hurtful and counter productive. I mean if you want to get REALLY pissed look at how terribly damn near EVERYBODY treats TGs! (inc. bisexuals)

BTW Max, I HAVE called bullshit on people in the gay and lesbian community that have denegrated bisexuals. I don't know if you meant that sarcastically, but it's something I'm proud of. Once we "ALL" stop fighting amongst ourselves and "ALL" start sticking up for each other, THEN we will make some real progress.
@Eva--I have no problem with bias of a lusty kind. What's wrong with that? But the inference that it's more "mature" to be singularly attracted to one gender, or more mature, evolved, or advanced to be attracted to people across the gender spectrum is clearly defensive. What's the matter? Aren't you just content to be yourself and have the sexuality you have?
@Safe--you know, I'm looking over my original language:

"Among lesbians and gay men, one can receive the treatment . . . (etc.)"

I think that my language is open-ended enough to not paint lesbians and gay men with a broad brush. I didn't say "one always receives" or even "one receives." I didn't say "Lesbians and gay men treat bisexuals . . . " I believe doesn't indict all lesbians and gay men.

You seem particularly hurt when I bring up any issue of habitual discriminatory behavior toward bisexuals that is a strong feature of lesbian and gay culture. And from previous posts, you seem to indicate that we bisexuals don't experience much in the way of discrimination from mainstream culture. I'm referring to your comment to my post on Peter LaBarbera.

I'm going to suggest, at my peril, that there's still plenty of residual biphobia on your part, in spite of your insistence that we should all get along and join forces. It seems to me that what you want most is silence on the subject of biphobia within the gay and lesbian communities and that you take that silence as a sign of loyalty from bisexuals, a sign we are "fighting the good fight" with lesbians and gay men and transgenders.

As I've stressed somewhere before, I've attended numerous actions for LGBTQ rights, marched in 25 Pride Parades, attended 2 Marches on Washington (and will, income permitting, attend the next one) and volunteered/given money to LGBTQ causes. In my 27 years of on-and-off activism, biphobia has not been, and will never be, an excuse for NOT fighting for LGBTQ rights. As far as I am concerned, my forces always have been joined to queer equality. But no one will convince me that, in order to be a "good bisexual" in the movement, I must shut up about the wrongs we have received and continue to receive. If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?

As for actually witnessing other lesbians and gay men defend bisexuals, let's see, there's Cathy Renna, Audre Lorde, Robin, Owl . . . I think I heard somewhere that Harvey Milk was supportive of bisexuals . . . 3 lovely lesbians I know who are partners to my bi women friends . . . and you, Safe. The list isn't long. You can pat yourself on the back for belonging to a very exclusive group.
Max: I think you misunderstood me. Yes, I'm content now. I'm fine with my sexual orientation and everyone else's. The point I was making is that, when I was a teenager, I (and the other bisexual teens in my crew) felt defensive about being bisexual. We responded to our insecurities (which were the result of hostility from both gay and straight peers) by claiming that we were the only mature ones; anyone who was either exclusively gay or exclusively straight was "biased." What do you want? We were too young for Kinsey. We clung together, in our little gang of Rocky Horror fans, for mutual support, as we tried to figure out how to get by in a largely hostile environment.
another great article Max :) Sept 23 we've got clinicals (1-9 with driving time), or I'd be there. London (Specular) and I are grabbing some noodles tomorrow, come with? PMing you in a minute.
@Eva--forgive me for taking so long to get back to your comment.

I'm the one not being clear. I meant the last two sentences to be taken rhetorically. I should have put quotation marks around them. It's a general questioning of why people don't feel comfortable enough with their own sexuality to leave other people's alone.

"We were too young for Kinsey. We clung together, in our little gang of Rocky Horror fans, for mutual support, as we tried to figure out how to get by in a largely hostile environment." That's a great line. Do you mind if I use that in a short story or screenplay some day? Put it in college to early adulthood and you've described my coming out.
@jules--what are you doing Monday, Sept. 28, in the evening? Want to see a show about bisexual bad boys tearing up the town?
I too was nauseated at the thought of a bisexual Jesus. :)
I just talked to some 90 year olds in a nursing home and they indicated that "asexual" is actually the most mature.