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Max the Communist

Max the Communist
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Chicago, Illinois, USA
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"Her beauty served a mob of terror whose one mission is to destroy." Yeah, that's me alright. I am a writer, actor, activist. That means I've worked in the hospitality and retail industries. Before you ask for fries with that, prepare yourself for political, economic, social, and sexual liberation. Not a total commie. I just marvel at the inflammatory red-baiting language--so much like queer-baiting, it's scaaary. I will be your downfall yet, America. Until then, I go for universal healthcare and making friends with anarchists, hippies, fellow-travelers, philosophers, actors, and other troublemakers. And, of course, da queers. So I'm pinko. Does that make me more Canadian than anything else? How queer are they in Canukistan? And can they put me up for the night--you know, just in case? In other words, just your typical OS blogger.

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AUGUST 2, 2010 2:03AM

The Safety of Community, or, Where Is Safe for Bisexuals?

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heaven as gated community

Everyone wants safe space.  For some feminists and LGBTQ, establishing safe spaces against sexist and homophobic discrimination is still a lifelong pursuit.     

 The LGBTQ have their own community.  It's a community that, presumably, provides all the queers within it with a safe space to be themselves.  That's the theory, anyway, at least as I was informed by the young lesbians and gay men I came out to at Oberlin College.  It was from these same young gays and lesbians that I got my first taste of biphobia.  What they dished out in their politicized, ivory tower way was nothing compared to what I met up with in Chicago's urban gay and lesbian spaces when I arrived in the summer of 1986.

 From that summer onward, I have found myself wondering, "When am I going to get my safe space?  When is this community going to be a safe space for me?" 

 I recently joined a small group of women in a study conducted by Wendy Bostwick, a public health researcher and assistant professor at Northern Illinois University.  She's engaged in examining bisexual women's mental health.  I had met Wendy last summer during the Bi Health Summit in Chicago.  You can find my report on her preliminary findings in this old post.  

 Basically, this was a safe space.  Wendy, conducting the study, emphasized the need for confidentiality to me and to four other women participants.  It was a study for the purpose of determining how having a fluid sexuality informed our choice of identity and how identifying as bisexual had impacted our attitudes and mental health.  

 One of Wendy's questions dealt with how we thought about the LGBTQ community.  My response was that I had a tendency to think of it as a place filled with hidden land mines.  In the past I would go into a queer space presuming that it would be safe--or at least safe enough--for an out bisexual like me.  Sooner or later, though, I would step on a land mine; some form of biphobia would blow up in my face, maybe a little explosion, maybe something big.  I just couldn't tell when or where it might happen.  Or how much it could hurt.

 Most of my bi activism in the LGBTQ community has been driven by this need for safe space, if not for me, then for a younger generation of bisexuals, pansexuals, or queers.  I've set up bisexual support groups and activist groups for the purpose of creating a safe space for myself.  I've engaged in dialogues--sometimes all-out confrontations--to create, or at least demand, an end to biphobia and safe space for bisexuals or anyone with a fluid sexuality.  It's a good thing I could do this in tandem with what bisexual and queer activists were doing nationally, or I think I would have gone crazy.  

 I'm not going to say that nothing has changed.  True, I still rant against biphobia in all its forms--my readers get a full snoot some days.  

 But these are definitely not the bad old days.  In the bad old days bisexuals were thrown out of lesbian and gay organizations, told not to come back until we were "all the way out," told that we were traitors to the cause, that we couldn't be trusted, either as allies in their political groups or as partners in intimate relationships . . . we were told that we didn't exist . . . told that we were just going through a phase . . . told that we had to relinquish our heteroprivilege by identifying as gay or lesbian . . . told that we had to crap or get off the pot . . . told that we were delusional or confused about our sexuality . . . told that our bisexual identity was politically irrelevant . . . told and told and told in so many ways that we just weren't good enough, stable enough, committed enough, or queer enough to belong.  

 We were told in so many ways that we were inferior to lesbians and gay men.  We were made the butt of jokes that depicted us as retarded queer children who somehow just couldn't get it.  We were told that our attempts to tell our truth about our sexuality--our freaky, weird, changeable, fluid sexuality--were a fake, a front, an act of cowardice.  We were afraid of the G word, afraid of the L word; we were cowards hanging on to heteroprivilege.  We were told in so many ways that we didn't deserve to belong  in the lesbian and gay community.

 Happily, the most virulent bits of biphobia have not continued, at least in major LGBTQ organizations.  Years of dialogue and education with lesbian, gay and trans allies have made the difference.  Significant gains have been achieved for bisexuals, especially with leading organizations like NGLTF, GLAAD, and NCLR.  Even stodgy, overprivileged HRC now has an outspoken bisexual spokesperson in Mike Manning, who first came out on MTV's The Real World. 

Mike Manning in washington dc 

From this quote from the Gay & Lesbian Times, I think that Mike shows more confidence than I had at his age:  

 I receive a lot of emails saying that I’m just riding my gay training wheels and that I’ll be gay soon. And straight people just don’t understand it. It’s hard; I came out on national television so I’ve got nothing to hide. I’m not going to bend to social pressures, so if they don’t like me for identifying as bi, then they should move on. Sexual orientation is raw attraction and it just pisses me off when people challenge me on my own identity.

 So, I found myself wondering in the middle of the study whether I had become overly sensitive to every bit of biphobia I have witnessed and continue to witness, both in the LGBTQ community and in America at large.  It's possible that over the years I have acquired a kind of bisexual PTSD.  I would never stop participating in the queer community but I also go into its organizations, finding myself waiting for the next land mine to blow.  I don't ever dare think of it as a safe space for me.  If nothing blows, then that's a good meeting or a good group for bisexuals.  

 For me personally, certain lesbian and gay male friends provide safe space, transpeople usually do, some straight friends also accept me and form part of an invisible network of support for my sexuality and identity.  Then there is my tiny bi/pan/queer and poly communities, who are a fun, cool bunch.  You can check out our showing in this June's Pride Parade here.  We're planning a big celebration at the Center On Halsted for September 23, Celebrate Bisexuality Day.

So do I feel safer now than I did 27 years ago?  I do.  I'm an older, more confident, more self-accepting bi woman--and that really is the key.  I also know I can't think about fighting for LGBTQ rights and equality in the same idealized way I conceived of it right out of college.  

I  have to pick my battles.  I can dialogue with anyone, but after that, it's up to them.  I can't waste my time proving to some queers that I am real, that my fluid sexuality is real, and that I am reliable, sane and trustworthy.  If they choose not to listen to me, I'm not responsible for their choices.  Others will listen and they are the queer peeps I can really build alliances with.  

This principle goes double for dating lesbian-identified women.  Really, if they don't believe that I am who I say I am or that I am faithful, then we really should part.  I can't twist myself into a pretzel anymore, like I did in the old days, if they're dating me but don't believe me and consistently, passive-aggressively berate me for my bi identity.  In the old days, I talked myself blue in the face to my lesbian partners that I was really, truly bi, monogamous and that they had nothing to worry about.  But they never believed me, and since they didn't respect my sexuality or identity, ultimately all communication broke down.  Maybe I ruined it by trying too hard. 

Now that I may be exploring polyamory and other aspects of my sexuality, I wonder why I bothered to go on about it.  I guess I just didn't want to be seen by them as that bisexual--the one that couldn't be faithful, the one that couldn't be true, the one that wasn't telling the truth, the bisexual who didn't deserve a chance at love or the safety of community.          

 

 

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Wow, editor's picks come at the most unexpected times. Thanks, eds.
I can totally identify with this as a bi woman married to another woman. Suddenly, people assumed I became "all the way gay." I've also had people tell me (or my partner) to "make up our minds." I will always love both Johnny Depp and Kate Winslet, and no one can stop me. Thanks for this.
Hey Max, I so get what you are talking about. I have lots of friends in the gay and lesbian community and it never ceases to amaze me how such free-spirited, liberal-minded souls can be so hard on bisexuals. It's as if they are sexual purists...you MUST be one way or the other.

Hello, Mr. Kinsey established long ago that there is a continuum as opposed to an either or. I had suspected for years that I was somewhere in the bi zone on his scale, but don't often talk about it because bisexuals get no respect.

Perhaps I will live to regret outing myself here, but I wanted to support you. Bi-power!!

Rated!
I don't look for groups to be safe in. Like you, I have found that if you don't fit neatly into that group you're out. So I just don't try.

I make my own group. They are my friends. They accept me for who, or what, I am. If they can't do than, then it's been nice knowing you.

I apply this rule to all my friends, not just sexual groups. I don't care if it's my business friends or my truck driving friends, if you don't like me for who I am, you are missing out, not me.
I don't know anything about the struggles you must have faced, Max, but it's always seemed kind of incomprehensible to me to care who someone's attracted to. Of all the things to make political... How the heck do you argue with people's biology?

I have a few friends who identify as bi (even dated one, and may again in the future), and I've heard this kind of concern before - that it can be hard to find a "home".

Good piece, and congrats on your EP!
I am aggravated at the GL community members who "don't believe" bisexuality exists . . . I've seen the eye roll, and the shrug, and the out and out* vitriolic from "our" community, and it pisses me off. I've had, and will continue to have, strong words with such people. It's as if, having thrown off the binary construct of gender, to some degree, some people must continue the binary construct of sexuality - you're gay or you're straight . . . aggravating.

* no pun intended
Yes a lot of hypocrisy and non acknowledgment from both the gl and straight communities on this issue. Bi' s and pan sexuals = eye rolls, can't make up their minds comments, fence sitters, etc. When will people consider maybe the attraction is the person (or persons), and not necessarily a specific set of genitals. Unfortunately people want to categorize, make them feel safer with their own decision ...
Max This is among the best-written pieces I have seen here in a while. Thank you. Rated.
All kinds of wonderful, thanks Max!
It's safe for bisexuals to be with members of the opposite sex. When they're with members of the same sex it's unsafe.

Simplicity itself, no?
Well, I am both bi and monogamous (blessed to be with a woman who believes it) but have certainly jumped through my own share of hoops.
And now, of course, I have to deal with the whole "so you were really just a lesbian all along" attitude. Ummm...no. I've been in relationships with men and women. I've been married to men. I'm with a woman now (and will probably do a Domestic Partner Agreement with her soon). Still bisexual.
Safe space would be good...
support you in your quest however there is a fundamental "cognitive dissonance" associated with bis which you gloss over, and that is-- how can you be MONOgamous if you are BIsexual?!?! which would tend to support the idea that it may be monogamy that is the basic religion of gays and straights alike.....
also-- think you may spend too much time seeking others approval, although maybe you wouldnt have much to blog about otherwise. there are many things that are positive or neutral but not widely socially acceptable, a long list could be made, you can add bisexuality to the list.
I think this is brave. We are in a new era. And there's no sense pretending our sexual orientations can be just as person-specific as our teeth or eyes.
I'm glad you're writing this way. I for one had not heard of the gender bias against your portion of the LGBT community.
Good for you for being so brave, and not letting ignorance rule!!!
rated
What do you mean by "safe space"? A place where no one disapproves of you? None of us have that, of any orientation. Unless we live in our own private closet.
Thanks to everyone for their kind and stimulating comments. I hardly know why I get an editors pick or get some front page action, but I'm grateful for the attention to my work.

@Yawp--It's just beyond the imaginations of some people that you can be bi and you can be in a monogamous relationship and you can still lust for celebrities and others outside your relationship--male, female, or trans--and you can still remain faithful to your partner. It just seems to be a huge cognitive disconnect in their heads.

As for you and your partner "making up your minds," it seems to me you both have made your minds up big-time and tied the knot. I hope it was a splendid wedding and sorry that I could not be there to cheer you on. Please accept my "Cheers!" for everything that you and your spouse have been through and will go through together. It's rough out there for two women together. This country doesn't give you a break, whether it's two lesbians together, a bi and a lesbian woman together, or two bi women together. Strength and love to you both!
@bluestocking babe--I think the main problem was and continues to be that the gay and lesbian sectors of the LGBTQ still don't feel comfortable enough to defend fluid sexuality (alongside non-fluid, monosexual gayness) in mainstream America. They (and we) have been thoroughly terrorized by our conservative, sex-phobic and homophobic culture, of whom the right wing ex-gay zealots are only the tip of the iceberg.

Yes, Virginia, there is more to human sexuality than gay and straight, and Mr. Kinsey had the right idea about examining that continuum. But there's a reason why people forget or don't pay attention to Kinsey's studies even today--there is no large political movement that defends fluid sexuality in the American mainstream. I would love it if I could say that the bisexual/pansexual/queer community was getting enough national media attention to our existence and our suffering, but it's still too small, underdeveloped and cloistered within marginalized queer enclaves to make political impact.

Bi and queer activists have worked really hard to get the LGBTQ to even acknowledge us, but that recognition is incremental and fragmented. The LGBTQ community itself is still a difficult place for those of the fluid sexuality persuasion to navigate. I don't know what will bring about a break-through--I just hope it happens in my lifetime.
@Catnlion--I concur with your strategy, so far as developing a personal life goes. Your friends are your friends and the first requirement of friendship is acceptance and respect. You really can tell anyone who doesn't respect you for yourself to take a hike--no problem.

When you are in the closet, whether gay, lesbian, bi or trans, you wonder who your real friends are. How many of them will treat you differently once you come out to them? It can be a rocky ride, finding out which straight friends will accept you and which won't--there are many surprises down that road.

When it comes to working with groups of people, though, especially on an activist level, you have to lower your expectations. These people aren't here to accept you on the level of friendship; they are here to do activist work and you have to get them to see the value of including you in their activism.

Just coming out bi or pansexual in a lesbian and gay dominated group might be a tremendous challenge, depending on the group, the region of the country you are in, the attitudes of the people in the group and the courage and preparedness of the bi person coming out to them. Are you prepared to face the biphobia that might come your way. What if it's not all-out biphobia; what if the L/G dominated group tacitly accepts bisexuality but doubts that you are bisexual or that your issues as a bisexual have any political relevance? Now what do you say after, "I'm bisexual/pansexual/queer"?
Thanks, ManTalkNow. The EP was really unexpected.

The LGBTQ community is really a culture unto itself and I am not surprised at all if straight people have no knowledge of or just don't understand some of its rules and codes.

As for biology, when I was a young and deeply insecure bisexual woman, I used to argue with my own biology all the time. Why couldn't I just be straight or lesbian? Why couldn't I just pick one? Why did God have to make my life so complicated this way? Was I really going to hell? Was this the way I was going to be for life and what kind of life was I going to have?

Then, when I accepted my attraction to women a little more, it was: this is it--no more men--I'm only dating women from now on. Damn, that guy is cute! So, what, am I a lesbian now or what? Maybe I'm just hanging on to heteroprivilege, that's why guys are still cute to me. If I could just get rid of my need for heteroprivilege, then I wouldn't be attracted to men anymore.

REALLY, I thought like this. I was a confused mess. Some stereotypes of bisexuals are correct, at least in a limited sense. It took me a good two years to get it through my head that I was being confused, not so much by my sexuality, but from the idiotic mess of things straights and gays were telling me about my sexuality. I had to sort that all out bi myself--no one around to really help me. Certainly no established bi community.
@Owl--thanks for all you do, Owl, dear.

Sometimes it's almost better to deal with someone's outright* biphobia than something that's just subtle and implied. At least with a bold biphobic declaration, you can muster up a decent rejoinder. Eye rolls and other kinds of dismissals can just be infuriating. It's so arrogant to presume that you know someone else's sexuality better than they know it themselves.

As for the good, old straight/gay binary, I worry that some lesbians and gay men believe in it because they think believing in it and reinforcing it will make them safer from homophobic attack. It's weird.
@Scarlett Sumac--you know, I think you've hit the nail on the head. "I only feel comfortable with people who have the same sexual identity that I have." That's so close to saying, "I only feel comfortable around white people because I'm white; black people because I'm black; middle class people because I'm middle class." Really, you have absolutely no friends beyond your race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion or class?

"I can only associate with people who are white, bisexual, formerly Catholic but are now Buddhist, attended college but make less than $25, 000 a year because that's what I am. I really don't feel comfortable around anyone else." Sheesh! Somebody put a bullet in my head if I ever turn into that person.
@Jonathan--thank you so much. It's been a long time since I wrote anything this personal.
@Patricia--thank you. I never expected this kind of response.
@David--I think you are referring to heteroprivilege, right David? Do you think heteroprivilege is the answer to all bisexual problems and woes?

There's another name for heteroprivilege and it's called THE CLOSET. Gay men and lesbians also get heteroprivilege--when they stay in the closet. That's the whole purpose of staying in the closet: to (hopefully) maintain the privileges of not being fired from your job, not being verbally harassed, not being targeted for violence or having your property vandalized just for having a different sexual orientation. In some regions of America, it's a privilege just not being killed.

Of course, these privileges shouldn't be privileges, right David? These should be rights. And LGBTQ people should have exactly the same rights and privileges JUST TO LIVE OUR LIVES as heterosexuals. I think we are both on the same page about this David--after all, I don't live in Heteroprivilegeland all the time. I get to be on the other side of the fence and I get to experience the disparity between what straights get from this society and what queers get. I'm old enough now to not need that kind of education from anyone.

But I don't just live in Heteroprivilegeland some of the time; I get to live in Bisexualland all the time. When you live in Bisexualland, you get to learn that heteroprivilege is not the big bag of goodies that gay men and lesbians think it is for bisexuals, especially if access to the goodies means STAYING IN THE CLOSET. Really, David, I have known bisexuals who were as heteronormative as could be--married to the opposite sex, house, kids, white picket fence--and they were still fired from their jobs when they came out at work.

So I guess the moral of the story is, if you are bisexual, no matter how straight you look or act, your heteroprivileges can always be revoked. So shut up, little bisexuals. Shut up and disappear or we homophobic America will kick your ass as hard as any gay's or lesbian's.
i definitely understand where you're coming from. i think it's a travesty that bisexuals often face derogatory remarks from others in a community who are supposed to be there for support. we all deserve the love and safety of a community.
@Eva--I guess what kind of disturbs me about the times we are living in now is that people only deal with you in snapshots. It's like you are this person with a rich and varied past--and if you are a person whose sexuality is fluid, your sexual history is rich and varied. Since you don't regret any bit of it, it's all a part of you. But people are only looking at you through this very narrow lens and the more you try to tell them that there is more to you than that, they don't believe you. They look at you as though the problem is with you, not their limited and critically misinformed frame of reference.

Blessings on your domestic partnership and I hope that same-sex marriage comes to your state real soon. May you and your partner always be safe--no kidding.
@vzn--you know what, vzn, you are one of those guys who thinks you know shit about bisexuality and then you go and say something totally biphobic, like:

"--how can you be MONOgamous if you are BIsexual?"

Dude, how can you be monogamous, when there are so many hot chicks after your body? Are there lots of hot chicks after your bod, vzn? Are you a straight guy who could never be monogamous because there are just so many women you could be fucking right now?

Think about it. Think about what monogamy really entails and then get back to me.

As for approval--I think you're right in that I have spent too much time seeking it. But whether I sought it or not, I think I still would have experienced homophobia and biphobia in my life.
@Poor Woman's Retro Diary--Thank you so much for your comments. Indeed, an end to all ignorance and the cruel prejudices that it feeds. I long for the day when we understand sexual orientation as person-specific. Hello, my name is Paige and my sexual orientation is Paige.
@tomreedtoon--Life is a war game. Can't sign on to that concept, although I can see why it might have appeal. But I cannot agree with you that the only winning move is not to play. For one, I really don't want my right hand to be the only thing I have a relationship with. Two, peace is possible--peace, generated by the establishment of just relations between us all, is always within our reach.
@Phoenix Caridad--I don't aspire to achieve a social state where no one disapproves of me, whatever I do. I only aspire to achieve a neutral state where people's disapproval of my sexuality or identity cannot adversely impact my livelihood, my personal safety, my attempts to establish my own relationships and family, and my basic civil and human rights.
@lemonpulp--thank you for your support. I think, in all fairness to the LGBTQ, it's the fear of being summarily condemned by straight society if fluid sexuality is "found OUT." They've been terrorized by the right since childhood, they've struggled to understand and come out with their own identities, the struggle is not over and the open presence of people with identities that make fluid sexuality visible might seem to them like a threat to everything they've been working for.
i don't identify as bi because , as is commonly known, the name re-inforces everything that is wrong with our world's thinking about sexuality. i identify as "evolved."

in my view, albeit wacky, orientation doesn't even exist. our genes don't do gender. it is gay and straight people that don't exist. thus people who call themselves gay and straight are simply repressed and unevolved. i struggle to accept them and pretend not to hold them in contempt, i struggle to try to explain it to them, open their eyes. But the sad truth is i don't respect them. i'm resigned to a life of bitterness towards the overwhelming majority of people on this subject. but it's all good, i get laid twice as much so it evens out.
@Tom Doherty--I have to disagree with the notion that certain people are more "evolved" because their sexual orientation gravitates to a certain setting on the Kinsey Scale. And I don't agree with looking down one's nose at the rest of the world because "they" are not evolved to my expectations. I feel the need to contest people doing it to me, just so that I can preserve a healthy sense of self with which to do some good in the world but I refuse to step beyond the boundary of presuming I know what is good for each individual.

There's nothing wrong with monosexually-oriented people; goldstar lesbians, gays and straights are fine with me. Disrespect is disrespect and dishing out disrespect is not evolved. Sorry, Tom, I can't concur with your worldview.
@tomreedtoon--Life is war? Life is a war game you play until you die? The only peace is in the grave?

Okay, it's time to step away from the video games--WarGames is not reality; neither is Grand Theft Auto--come out of the basement and socialize with non-virtual humans for a while.
Um, tomreedtoon, I have survived a Latino gang moving into my apartment building and setting up a meth lab in the apartment right next to mine. I don't think I need lectures from you about the evil that humanity is capable of, okay?

I apologize for all my totally mistaken assumptions about you. Poor Women's Retro Diary has said it best--I have made an ass of myself and you. My fullest apologies.

I am also terribly sorry to hear that you were the target of a rapist. That should never have happened to you and I am glad that you were able to defend yourself against the worst. If you find yourself still suffering emotionally from the affects of the attack, know that you can find care wherein you can be respected. A lot of men don't report these things or seek help due to fear of what healthcare providers may think of them. There are more men like you than you know and you are absolutely deserving of care without judgement.

So far as seeking help goes, from my own experience from the meth lab incident--the police weren't much help, the fire department may have had a corrupt relative of one of the gang members (that's what the gang dude bragged to me--and this is Chicago, after all), my alderman's staff were very concerned and tried to help, some neighborhood tenants' rights advocates tried to help me, and my employers were really understanding of everything I was going through!

Ultimately, I had to move out of there quickly and it was my personal friends and neighbors who helped me most.
Um, tomreedtoon, I have survived a Latino gang moving into my apartment building and setting up a meth lab in the apartment right next to mine. I don't think I need lectures from you about the evil that humanity is capable of, okay?

I apologize for all my totally mistaken assumptions about you. Poor Women's Retro Diary has said it best--I have made an ass of myself and you. My fullest apologies.

I am also terribly sorry to hear that you were the target of a rapist. That should never have happened to you and I am glad that you were able to defend yourself against the worst. If you find yourself still suffering emotionally from the affects of the attack, know that you can find care wherein you can be respected. A lot of men don't report these things or seek help due to fear of what healthcare providers may think of them. There are more men like you than you know and you are absolutely deserving of care without judgement.

So far as seeking help goes, from my own experience from the meth lab incident--the police weren't much help, the fire department may have had a corrupt relative of one of the gang members (that's what the gang dude bragged to me--and this is Chicago, after all), my alderman's staff were very concerned and tried to help, some neighborhood tenants' rights advocates tried to help me, and my employers were really understanding of everything I was going through!

Ultimately, I had to move out of there quickly and it was my personal friends and neighbors who helped me most.
hey max, your constant ranting mystifies me, I really dont know what you have to be so upset about. you seem to have delusions of persecution. Im serious. who is restricting your freedom? and you talk of so-called "heteroprivilege" which nowadays is a pretty hazy concept compared to the past. you have so much wrapped up into your identity of "bi". my point was that a monogamous bi is basically either a functional gay or heterosexual, dont you think? you talk about having fantasies of the opposite sex, but if there is no overt behavior, what does this have to do with your relationship? do you want the privilege of sharing your sexual fantasies with your partner? not a bad idea and reasonable, but what does that have to do with monogamy? maybe some people are confused about monogamy meaning that you cant even THINK about other people. but thats a mistaken concept surrounding monogamy, in my opinion, not one surrounding bisexuality.
as for my relationships, I assure you Ive had many fulfilling ones. but let me share a story about a bi I met. she insisted she was bi, and I said, how is that gonna work in *our* relationship? she said, well, some bis are allowed by their partner to have multiple partners. I said, huh? was her idea that I be monogamous with her and she didnt need to be monogamous with me, because she's bi? so was her real yearning not to be accepted for her bisexuality, but what might be called an assymetrical relationship? (not that theres necessarily anything wrong with that!! but one might as well figure out what one really wants....) so, I am not hearing you write the same way exactly, but all your yearnings make me think you might be thinking similarly, possibly unconsciously.
you write, "I have to pick my battles".
I personally like to pick no battles at all =)
its amazing what a lather you can work yourself up to. [or twisting yourself into a pretzel in your own words]
anyway, you seem obsessed with labels, with classifications, with categorizations. try reading some zen literature. reality transcends all the labels.
you talk of your struggles with bi, lesbian, and heterosexual partners. or rather, I think you mentioned bi. did you? maybe you should try to find a bi somewhere, have you ever dated a bi? [ps-- I have] now that would be quite the trip, wouldnt it? cant wait to hear about *that* explosion.
face it max, maybe you just have so many issues with *everyone* in all these different categories that maybe you're not compatible with *anyone*.
hey, Im not saying that like its a bad thing =)
maybe if you found someone you were compatible with you'd have to *invent* a reason to be incompatible with them. "Id never want to be in a group that would allow me to be a member" --groucho marx
I come back to your evisceration of megan fox for talking about bis vs lesbians vs heterosexuals. it would seem that her confusion and anger perfectly match your own. no wonder you were so p*ssed off at her.
"Now that I may be exploring polyamory and other aspects of my sexuality, I wonder why I bothered to go on about it."
cant wait to hear more about the poly thing. are you gonna have to break up your current monogamous relationship? now that will be an "interesting" conversation.
re: "radical acceptance". cool. I just read the book "loving what is" by byron katie. has anyone heard of this? highly recommend it. think max would highly benefit as well. outstanding stuff. very zenlike but reframed in a modern context. yes, I must admit that max's endless victimology is fun [but possibly futile, as it is in the most acute cases] to attempt to unravel.
maybe max's lather is one of those things in the universe that cant be changed, wink =)
Tom's just angry because he's ugly and his mother dresses him funny.

Pay no attention.
@vzn--once again, you make assumptions about ALL bisexual women and men based on your personal experiences from dating one or two bisexual women.

Your bi ex-girlfriend was deeply mistaken. No bisexual HAS to have sex with all genders concurrently. Monogamy, open relationships, and polyamory are lifestyle choices--not MUSTS for people based on their sexual orientation. Some straight people and some LGT people can and do choose open relationships or polyamory, so it's not just a bi thang. Furthermore, bisexuals are just as capable (or incapable) or monogamy as straights, gays and lesbians.

What's horribly mistaken about your bi ex-girlfriend is not only that she is bi and therefore simply has to be polyamorous, but also that she was trying to compel you to engage in a polyamorous relationship with her, based on this false presumption, whether you wanted your relationship with her to be polyamorous or not. I personally find that rather manipulative. If she wanted polyamory, she should have hooked up with a polyamorous community--like the ones everyone can find online. It might be a little more work finding polyamorous people like her, but it would be much more ethical than trying to push you into something you weren't ready for.
@tomreedtoon--you and vzn can pretend you are the zen masters and can look down on my struggles all you want. I find both of you terribly misinformed and immature.

I wonder why you both hang around my blog posts if you find my anger so disturbing and my personal observations so deeply flawed and erroneous. Please, feel free to hang out with other zen masters more enlightened than me. There's no need for you to torture yourselves any further with my benighted perspective. If you hang around any longer, I have to conclude that you find something entertaining about my bisexuality, my anger, my frustration, my feeble attempts at self-honesty and public education.

Well, at the very least, you can use my posts as an occasion to practice the "radical acceptance" that you speak of. Go ahead, zen masters, practice "radical acceptance" on me.
@The Jury--you mean Tom Doherty or tomreedtoon? Both seem a little on the angry, isolated side to me.
I dont really "hang around" your posts, but I do enjoy it when one of your rants gets an EP or goes viral [eg megan fox]. and you continually remind me of my conflicted bi ex gf. and hell, your life is like a soap opera, so Im always curious as to the next installment. more drama than the Lword =) ... as for radical acceptance, well I certainly have to practice that with every one of your snarling replies, huh?
if anyone knows of a community of enlightened humans who dont snipe at each other for useless reasons, live in peace, etcetera ... please let me know. until then I guess its open salon for me. besides, the zen masters would probably throw me out anyway for being too flippant/irreverent.
ps since you never put any pictures up of yourself, maybe Ive been unconsciously picturing you as megan fox... I guess maybe thats my problem... or solution.. depending on how you look at it =)
hi all just for fun I just watched the lesbian coming-out movie "cant think straight", its an instant play netflix movie, some reading here might enjoy it. two gorgeous lead actresses. various interesting themes incl many related to max's advocacy/activism. combined with islam vs westernization. there is a pt in the movie where one lesbian pressures the other girl to go "out" with her family/parents as lesbian when the other girl sure seems like a bi to me [4 previous fiances, broken off]. much more food for thought on the subj.
OK what are people talking about? If you are MONOgamous then you can't be BI-Sexual?

Oh Please people. It doesn't mean Bi's will cheat more. I know many hetros and even gays and lesbians who can't manage monogamy.

When I am in a relationship and yes I have been married to a man and promised with a female at different times in my life. It's a matter of who I am attracted to, who draws me. Not their sex. It's the person themselves.

I had many people when I started my relationship with a female. "what do you mean she was married before. Did she suddenly turn gay?" No I am simply open to either sex. I didn't go looking there but hey when I met my female partner I just couldn't stop thinking about her, wanting to be closer to her. She wasn't someone I would normally be attracted to but there was something deeper.

To me you are drawn to that inner person. Or you should be. I have known born hermaphrodites. I love that person inside not wether she is male or female right now.
@Panthera--thank you for saying it. Monogamy, open relationships, polyamory--these are the lifestyle CHOICES and anyone across the Kinsey scale can engage in them. Monogamy is for those who choose monogamy--it is not a straight thing or a gay thing or a lesbian thing. Anyone can do it who is dedicated to it. Polyamory is not a bisexual thing--straights can do it (and some do), gays and lesbians can do it (and some do) and so do SOME bisexuals, not ALL of us. And don't anyone start talking about who is more likely to engage in it. There have been no comparative studies demonstrating who's more likely to do what, relationship-wise.

I think if we just keep saying it enough, Panthera, we can pound that into their heads and get it through to them.
Thanks for this, it was a great read and something that I've discussed before with some of my friends who're in the LGBTQ community. Sometimes I feel like it's a desperate war for acknowledgement being bi/pan among the "old guard" still, even if the "kids" understand it for the most part.