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MAY 26, 2009 11:18AM

Gen. Patraeus On Gitmo

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Do we still remember the Republican adulation of General David Petraeus? He came before Congress to advocate in favor of the “surge” in Iraq. He soared like a neo-con hawk ready to swoop down and feed on the far-left intellect that broke rank with the Bush Administration’s Mid-East insanity. He was hailed a hero; conservatives paid homage to his wisdom in all matters Iraq. Do we remember?

In an appearance on Radio Free Europe Sunday, the man hailed by conservatives as the preeminent military figure of his generation, delivered his thoughts on Obama’s decision to close down Gitmo and end harsh interrogation techniques.

"I think, on balance, that those moves help [us]," said the chief of U.S. Central Command. "In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention. And as a division commander in Iraq in the early days, we put out guidance very early on to make sure that our soldiers, in fact, knew that we needed to stay within those guidelines.”

Wow. Did I hear this correctly? Did Gen. Patraeus break with conservative ideology, Bush’s Mid-East insanity, and former Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld’s biblical vision for war? Again I quote: "With respect to Guantanamo," Petraeus added, "I think that the closure in a responsible manner, obviously one that is certainly being worked out now by the Department of Justice—I talked to the Attorney General the other day [and] they have a very intensive effort ongoing to determine, indeed, what to do with the detainees who are left, how to deal with them in a legal way, and if continued incarceration is necessary—again how to take that forward. But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees."

Patraeus’s statement  indicates the hawk is flying in a different direction, riding the winds of reason. Former Vice President Dick Cheney should gaze up at the sky and recognize the winds of reason: the refreshing breeze that cleanses after nasty weather. But he only points his shotgun, steadying his aim on the cries of indignation towards his policies and rancid rhetoric. He's blind to hawk's change in direction. But Neo-Cons should hoist their binoculars and follow the hawk’s flight of reason. The United States Senate, blinded by partisanship and misdirected fears, need only listen to the hawk they deem a national hero. 

Look up in the sky… do you see the hawk?

 

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I don't think "reason" can be used in the same sentence as Cheney, unless it follows "he's lost his".
Petraeus is a classic kiss ass who knows how the wind blows. When he was at West Point, he dated the General in charge's daughter and married her, starting his long career of browning his nose to the maximum at a young age. He is not going to speak publicly against the President at who's pleasure he serves.

That said, nice to have him on the record to throw in the faces of those who support torture. monkey fingered.
Just figures. Mostly in a good way, for what it's worth, but I feel it may be worth less and less. We'll see.
As BBE indicates Patraeus is a kiss ass of the highest order, hence the allegorical hawk riding the winds of change.
Patraeus’s statement indicates the hawk is flying in a different direction,

That's beautiful!
A very succinct post pointing out what some may have missed. And yes, like many voters now, Patraeus is supporting his new boss, on the winds of change, hopefully.

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Recently, the Commander in Afgan., was relieved effectively ending his 40 years in the Military. While Obama said he did an excellent job, he wanted to go in a different direction. Patraeus knows if he's replaced, he'll be feeding the pigeons in Central Park in six months.
It's all about the politics. Rated.
As BBE says, Petraeus is clearly good at making nice with his boss. But it really shouldn't surprise anyone that military personnell are against torture. After all, they know that the methods they use will affect how captured American soldiers are treated. The Geneva Conventions protect them too.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I bet Petraeus only got picked by Cheney/Bush because they were up to the "P's". Lucky bastards.
Profound writing to describe a man who got to where he is by keeping the powers that be happy. He has a Colonel's cautious behavior. Bad for a General.

He must be about to retire, hoping for the max time in grade before he grabs that right wing brass ring.
Call this what you will...but I truly believe that Cheney and others like him actually hope there is another attack on America, just so they can "prove" to the world how right they are. How sick is that?

In the early days, one hunted buffalo by stampeding them toward a cliff. They can start running in an instant, but they can't stop worth shit. So, they'd follow the buffalo in front of them until it was too late.

I believe Cheney is following his ideology about that close. Let's see how fast he can stop.
Congrats on your deserved EP!
I see the hawk. I think Patraeus was following orders. That is his job, to do what the president asks. He can object to policy, but he's not a politician, he's a soldier. and soldiers follow orders.
I would be curious to know what he knew about the torture memos.
Excellent post, Mr Mustard.
Great post. Actually, I am not surprised at Gen. Patraeus' stance. Most military and FBI folks are against the use of torture. My sense, from working with so many vets on the DADT issue, is that he never came out against it publicly while Bush was in office not due so much to blind political ambition, as to adherence to a military code that doesn't allow for public departure from current policy. I am not making apologies for him. It's just that its hard to know what he said behind closed doors. Rated for soaring hawk references.
Congrats!!! Editor's Pick! Excellent Post! A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do to keep his job, huh?
Whether I agree with someone's politics or not, I will actually listen to someone who shows the integrity to disagree with her/his party on occasion. We need more critical thinkers and less team players. Thanks for this info - I hadn't heard
PERFECT, ABSOLUTELY PERFECT (MY HIGHEST COMPLIMENT)
I continue to oscillate between wondering how the hell we could have gotten so dramatically off course and being grateful that maybe the pendulum indeed will swing back to the middle.

Being afraid and even reactionary after 9/11 was understandable but the extent to which we took it is amazing, and disgusting. The truly upsetting thing is that there is still, what, 30% of the population that fully supports those actions.

I hope these evil-doers (ie, Cheney, et al) are somehow brought to justice.
I don't trust the good General, but as long as he is singing this song the better off we are. The problem now is that the President is waffling on what to do with the detainees and looking more and more like the good old boys. Who really knows what we will do as opposed to what the boys in the White House and Justice and Defense say?

Monte