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AUGUST 16, 2009 11:28PM

Nothing to fear but fear-mongering itself

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Who are these people and how what color is the ozone in their world?  

I realize that I don't often  rub elbows with with people like those who are packing the Town Hall forums and accusing legislators  home for the summer recess of being Communists, Nazis, or just anti-American.  I don't purposfully avoid people whose opinions differ from mine,  it's just worked out that way.  In my working- middle-class neighborhood the campaign signs for Obama outnumbered those for McCain at least 4 - 1.  (There's a house on my block that we point to as the home of the "token Republicans" on the street, but they didn't put up a sign. )   For thirty years I've worked for non-profit organizations, and my co-workers at these places have generally been liberals like me, at least on social issues.  My friends are mostly  teachers, social workers, or health care workers who make much less than six figure incomes and most of them are also fairly progressive thinkers.  But every once in awhile events make me realize there's a whole other world out there, and maybe I need to pay attention to what the other side has to say, so at least I'm not so taken aback by their fabrications and invented reality that I can't respond in a calm and reasonable way.  

Although I don't think facts and reason have much sway over people like the  woman tearfully saying that she doesn't want to have to answer to her child when he asks why they're waiting in line for toilet paper, or the guy pictured with a gun strapped to his leg while holding an anti-Obama sign,  or hear it repeatedly stated that euthanasia is part of the national health plan proposal, when it's been pointed out that it's not true.  I work with elderly people, I'm for national health insurance, and I wouldn't support it if offing Grandma was part of the plan.   Think about it --  how likely is it that a person running for public office would ever propose such a ludicrous idea? Politicians are so afraid of the power of older voters that they won't even mess with Social Security. 

Who are these frightened, gullible  people and  and why are they so  willing to ignore reality and believe the fearmongers?  How are they able to blissfully unaware of their  hypocrisy when they attend a town hall meeting to shout about how they don't want government in charge of their health care, when they're receiving Medicare and happy with it?  Who are these people who would vote against a new plan that would promote the common good because they prefer to see the  continuation of a broken system that benefits the insurance and pharmaceutical companies who believe that money trumps need?  

Maybe if I got out of my St Paul neighborhood and spent some time in the  Sixth District that elected Michelle Bachmann to Congress I might better understand the thinking on the other side of the issue.  But it would probably do even less good than visiting my dad in Nebraska and debating with him about his membership in the NRA.  We at least listen to each other politely before agreeing to disagree. The people at the Town Hall meetings seem much more interested in spewing their programmed talking points  than to listening.  Who are they? And why are they so afraid?   I'm concerned that they're going to stand in the way of progress towards a plan that would benefit everybody, including them,  because they don't understand the problem.  And I don't understand them.  

 

 

 

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It's ok... *I* don't understand how anyone can possibly be "for" a national health insurance program without being AWARE of the fact that the OTHER government run health program in the US (The Indian Health Service) provides what can only be described as "third world medical care" to Indigenous People.
I live in a world that is divided between those absolutely for a reform and those absolutely opposed to ANY reform. It is a strange world to live in.
I, too, found the town hall meetings frustrating to listen to and frustrating to hear about. When did end of life planning or advanced health care planning become euthanasia? Health care planning is a privilege--we get to say what we want and don't want. Isn't that the point of the screamers and shouters at the town hall? Or maybe they had no point at all.
@MrsRaptor:
It's funny that you ignored two other (larger and better known) government-run health care programs to focus on the Indian Health Service. Both Medicare and the Veterans Health Care programs are government-run, and both are very successful as measured by measures of costs-benefits, as well as surveys of patients. I don't mean to excuse the Indian Health program (or other Indian programs) for its neglect, but both the Medicare and VA programs are many times larger, and are proof that government-run health care can be very effective.

@mginmn:
I really don't think that the people yelling about communism and euthanasia at town hall meetings have any idea what they're talking about, or who they're really helping. I'd love to ask them if they know who runs our current health care system, and how much money these companies and providers are raking in from the ever-poorer American middle class. If the protesters understood where all the money we're spending on health care ends up, I doubt they'd turn out to help sustain the private health care plutocracy.
I also do social services for those 65+. I'm beginning to think that some of these isolated elders with multiple health issues are actually a privileged class, because they at least have access to health care. I never thought I would think that about the frail elderly in our youth-obsessed culture. How ironic.
Oh my, are they socializing toilet paper too?

Nice post! I, too, am amazed at the fear-wongering and the credulity.
Thanks for the comments! I have been lurking and reading here for awhile and just joined, so I appreciate knowing people are out there and getting feedback.
Mojomama, I've also envied the elders I work with their access to health care on a few occasions. For three years I sat in many doctors' offices because I was making sure they got to their appointments but I haven't been to my doctor at all during that time because my deductible is so high and I can't really afford the premiums but I'm afraid to give up what I have because I have a pre-existing condition and couldn't get re-insured.
I work in the healthcare field. We need drastic changes and here is my solution: Everyone is implanted with a computer chip at birth.
Everyone starts out with free healthcare. When people take in too many calories,fat,sugar, drink alcohol, smoke, take drugs etc. This chip will download the data. The owner of the body will have the option of starting to pay for part of his/her healthcare or getting less coverage. When people exercise and do proactive things for their body they will receive a check.
The healthiest people won't need healthcare but will have full coverage and extra money, the unhealthiest will be forced to change their ways or pay for their own healthcare. The rest of us will not be paying the cost of the body abusers which is what fills the hospitals up. I believe this to be the perfect solution. Simplistic but perfect.
cyanemi, I agree that there is SOME room for "rewarding" lifestyle choices, such as the way insurance policies currently offer lower rates to non-smokers. But proactive and healthy lifestyle choices don't guarantee good health, and people aren't perfect, so I don't think it's as black and white as you suggest. What about people who have chronic conditions such as type l Diabetes (which my skinny sister developed at age 13) or asthma, or someone who contracts cancer due to exposure to something in the work place? Would they be denied health coverage or have to pay the costs of treating the disease that happened to them and they did nothing to bring on, if something in their lifestyle wasn't healthy-in-every-way?
Also the thought of the government micro-chipping everybody at birth makes me think of Orwell. No thanks.
You'd get rewarded for making good choices but not dinged for getting sick. Some illness's are unavoidable. You get dinged for making poor lifestyle choices that inevitably will lead to illness. Type II diabetes is preventable and reversible.I don't think anyone has any concrete idea what causes type I. Some have linked it to dairy consumption. Children would not be responsible for what their parents fed them but the parents would be. We have a great deal of control over our health and people need to be accountable for what they put into their body and how they move their body. Accountability for self does seem Orwellian in this day and age.
Barney Frank has chutzpah!!! It's been so frustrating to watch the screaming and spewing win out over reason and civility. Congresspersons have been so...meek and passive, just standing there and taking all the bile and ignorance. That is, until Barney decided he'd had enough. http://www.politico.com/largevideobox.html?id=34500865001

Why haven't our political leaders put these idiots in their place?
If you figure out Michelle Bachman---please let us know!
First - welcome to OS! Second - my theory is this: Under the Bush administration, fear became a profitable political pandemic, with the flames fanned by right wing commentators and religious leaders. They tried to continue using that sledgehammer to beat the Democrats in the last election. It didn't work, so they're trying to use the results of the election itself to fan the flames even further. It has nothing to do with logic, common sense, or fact - it's a stampeding herd. Unfortunately, a stampeding herd can be dangerous, and that's what concerns me greatly.
You said it yourself when you used the word "gullible."

People are also prone to believe what that secretly lean toward anyway. Enough people are distrustful by Obama's gift of melanin and Arabic name that it doesn't take much to stir that up by using old catch phrases and erroneous cultural memes.
I share your frustration, though I am not surprised one whit by the idiocy we see. These people are fodder for media ratings, so their ignorant views are leveraged far beyond their actual proportional numbers, simply because it's profitable.

Moreover, the effectiveness of the appeal to fear is as old as humanity, and the cognitive capability of humans has not evolved fully enough in many, many people for them to be able to rationally evaluate the complex problems and predominantly subtle actual threats we face today in a world of nearly 7 billion people. We continue to be burdened with tribal hunter-gatherer brains more functionally appropriate to a time when threats were simple, omnipresent, proximate, and lethal. So, we suffer a subliminal tendency to overestimate trivial or non-existent risks while underestimating large ones. The works of people like Nassim Nicholas Taleb and the behavioral economists Kahneman and Tversky shed a lot of good light on this irrationality affliction.
Imagine if suddenly we had town hall meetings regarding gun control and began declaring that the right to bear arms was coming to an end. People fear change if as much as they fear feeling powerless to scream about it. Usually, the loudest screamer is the most misinformed. Coincidence? I'm not so sure. Great post and welcome to the family!
Thinking about loud uninformed people as lacking in cognitive ability and therefore gullible so easily manipulated makes them seem less sinister. Unfortunately, as Owl pointed out, they're still dangerous even if they're victims (so to speak) of those who have power and are using it to promote fear among the stampeding herds. Thanks for the comments.
I don't know if getting out there would help you understand or not. Great post. Rated and shared for my friends.
You were kind enough to post the first comment on my new Open Salon Blog!

This is just what I hoped to find. Experiences of people in America about social issues. Here where I live in Indonesia the economy is growing so fast you can smell its tyres burning. The result of this is that democracy and social welfare are chasing along behind and grabbing at things from western democracies that seem to work, but I fear are not the best sometimes for a society so full of its own distinctive eastern traditions.

Health care is becoming free to people who successfully pass a means test to show they can't afford it. Unfortunately this allows the public servants issuing the certificate that says they are poor, to want something for doing so. Hence the lower middle classes are getting the free heaalth care and the truly poor can't 'afford' it. Same with free shooling.

I grew up with the British NHS and despite the moans about the service it is a most wonderful thing to have and my(Indonesian) wife was amazed that we had such a thing when we first visited Britain together around thirty years ago. She saw it as a sign of great wealth in the country, but more importantly of equality and decency in the county's society.
You're lucky to be living in St. Paul. I've heard good things about that area. Here in my suburb of Cleveland, Ohio, I run into way too many of those town hallers when I walk to the curb for my newspaper or drive up the street for some groceries. I don't mean to suggest that they are carrying anti-Obama signs or guns when I go about those daily routines, but these are the people who turn their heads and ignore the fringe elements of their party.
Lainey, I do appreciate the living among a majority of people who seem reasonable and sane.
John Duckham, I also joined OS in the hopes of hearing from people with other experiences and perspectives, and what you say about Indonesia is really interesting. Thank you.